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Clarification on Jason Campbell (1 Viewer)

OddibeMcD

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This is the first time I have done this and I am not questioning anyone, but I was very surprised to see that Campbell was ranked as highly as he was on the prelim cheatsheets. I had pegged Campbell to be a worse option than usual for several factors...

1) The questionable status of Randle-El

2) The fact that the Redskins are only going to have one real day of practice (today). Per sportsline, the Redskins only went through walkthroughs on Tuesday.

3) The fact that the Bears defense did a very good job of shutting down Eli Manning last week.

4) The nature of the Redskins loss to the Bills last week. To lose in the final seconds can be devastating (as Bills fans well know after the Cowboys game) and this Redskins team has had far too many shots to bounce back off the canvas (how's that for mixing sports analogies?)

5) Sad as it is to say, the residual hangover from the Sean Taylor funeral. The Skins did not play an inspired game against Buffalo last week and with short rest, short practice time and verloaded minds, I did not see a great performance out of the Skins as a whole.

After thinking this, I see Campbell ranked the highest I can ever remember him and I wondered if I was missing something. With the Skins game tomorrow, I figured I better ask for insight now.

 
This is the first time I have done this and I am not questioning anyone, but I was very surprised to see that Campbell was ranked as highly as he was on the prelim cheatsheets. I had pegged Campbell to be a worse option than usual for several factors...1) The questionable status of Randle-El2) The fact that the Redskins are only going to have one real day of practice (today). Per sportsline, the Redskins only went through walkthroughs on Tuesday.3) The fact that the Bears defense did a very good job of shutting down Eli Manning last week.4) The nature of the Redskins loss to the Bills last week. To lose in the final seconds can be devastating (as Bills fans well know after the Cowboys game) and this Redskins team has had far too many shots to bounce back off the canvas (how's that for mixing sports analogies?)5) Sad as it is to say, the residual hangover from the Sean Taylor funeral. The Skins did not play an inspired game against Buffalo last week and with short rest, short practice time and verloaded minds, I did not see a great performance out of the Skins as a whole.After thinking this, I see Campbell ranked the highest I can ever remember him and I wondered if I was missing something. With the Skins game tomorrow, I figured I better ask for insight now.
I am inclined to agree with your assessment of Campbell and/or Washington as a whole. I am a Campbell owner so I am trying not to look at this through rose-colored glasses, but he has seemed to disappoint whenever the matchup favors the passing game. I also am paying attention to how the Bears took care of Manning as well. If you are going to do damage to the Bears defense, most likely it'll be on the ground.
 
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This is the first time I have done this and I am not questioning anyone, but I was very surprised to see that Campbell was ranked as highly as he was on the prelim cheatsheets. I had pegged Campbell to be a worse option than usual for several factors...1) The questionable status of Randle-El2) The fact that the Redskins are only going to have one real day of practice (today). Per sportsline, the Redskins only went through walkthroughs on Tuesday.3) The fact that the Bears defense did a very good job of shutting down Eli Manning last week.4) The nature of the Redskins loss to the Bills last week. To lose in the final seconds can be devastating (as Bills fans well know after the Cowboys game) and this Redskins team has had far too many shots to bounce back off the canvas (how's that for mixing sports analogies?)5) Sad as it is to say, the residual hangover from the Sean Taylor funeral. The Skins did not play an inspired game against Buffalo last week and with short rest, short practice time and verloaded minds, I did not see a great performance out of the Skins as a whole.After thinking this, I see Campbell ranked the highest I can ever remember him and I wondered if I was missing something. With the Skins game tomorrow, I figured I better ask for insight now.
I am inclined to agree with your assessment of Campbell and/or Washington as a whole. I am a Campbell owner so I am trying not to look at this through rose-colored glasses, but he has seemed to disappoint whenever the matchup favors the passing game. I also am paying attention to how the Bears took care of Manning as well. If you are going to do damage to the Bears defense, most likely it'll be on the ground.
I believe they're also getting Sellers and an O-lineman back (name eludes me) which would be more of a boost to the run game than passing game. Especially with a Bears D that can be run on.
 
Nice to know that I am not thinking out of my behind here...now I wonder what the justification is for thinking Campbell will be a top 5-7 QB this week.

 
I'm not sure where FBG's has him ranked right now, so it's hard to say if he's overrated, but I'll try to answer some of these as a Skins homer.

1) The questionable status of Randle-El
It's not looking so questionable now. He practiced yesterday and is expected to play.
2) The fact that the Redskins are only going to have one real day of practice (today). Per sportsline, the Redskins only went through walkthroughs on Tuesday.
This may be a factor, but, at this point of the season, I don't think an extra day of heavy practice would make a difference. Just my opinion, though.
3) The fact that the Bears defense did a very good job of shutting down Eli Manning last week.
I haven't followed the Bears too much, but was last week a normal week for them or extraordinary? Overall, they've given up the 25th most passing yards in the league. Campbell is currently QB11 using FBG scoring and is 10th in the league in pass yards. A recent thread pointed out how Campbell is like 4th in passing yards the last 4 weeks. The Redskins will get Randy Thomas, Mike Sellers, and ARE back on the offensive side of the ball this week. Pass blocking was pretty back against Buffalo, so hopefully Thomas and Sellers can help there.
4) The nature of the Redskins loss to the Bills last week. To lose in the final seconds can be devastating (as Bills fans well know after the Cowboys game) and this Redskins team has had far too many shots to bounce back off the canvas (how's that for mixing sports analogies?)
This is somewhat of a concern. However, as Gibbs has said many times, the NFL is a week-to-week league. What happens one week rarely has anything to do with the next week. Teams can be on fire one week and crap the next week. This, obviously, goes for the Skins and the Bears.
5) Sad as it is to say, the residual hangover from the Sean Taylor funeral. The Skins did not play an inspired game against Buffalo last week and with short rest, short practice time and verloaded minds, I did not see a great performance out of the Skins as a whole.
Actually, I'm hoping (with absolutely no evidence to support this) that the arrests and funeral have brought some closure to the players and they can start to fully move on. Maybe they can start to play with pride and excitement for Sean rather than with sorrow and pain. (Sounds pretty good, huh?)
After thinking this, I see Campbell ranked the highest I can ever remember him and I wondered if I was missing something. With the Skins game tomorrow, I figured I better ask for insight now.
A few reasons for optimism:1. As mentioned, Thomas, Sellers, and ARE are back.2. Santana Moss is playing much better and looks more like his old self.3. Cooley is playing really well right now.
 
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I'm not sure where FBG's has him ranked right now, so it's hard to say if he's overrated, but I'll try to answer some of these as a Skins homer.

1) The questionable status of Randle-El
It's not looking so questionable now. He practiced yesterday and is expected to play.
2) The fact that the Redskins are only going to have one real day of practice (today). Per sportsline, the Redskins only went through walkthroughs on Tuesday.
This may be a factor, but, at this point of the season, I don't think an extra day of heavy practice would make a difference. Just my opinion, though.
3) The fact that the Bears defense did a very good job of shutting down Eli Manning last week.
I haven't followed the Bears too much, but was last week a normal week for them or extraordinary? Overall, they've given up the 25th most passing yards in the league. Campbell is currently QB11 using FBG scoring and is 10th in the league in pass yards. A recent thread pointed out how Campbell is like 4th in passing yards the last 4 weeks. The Redskins will get Randy Thomas, Mike Sellers, and ARE back on the offensive side of the ball this week. Pass blocking was pretty back against Buffalo, so hopefully Thomas and Sellers can help there.
4) The nature of the Redskins loss to the Bills last week. To lose in the final seconds can be devastating (as Bills fans well know after the Cowboys game) and this Redskins team has had far too many shots to bounce back off the canvas (how's that for mixing sports analogies?)
This is somewhat of a concern. However, as Gibbs has said many times, the NFL is a week-to-week league. What happens one week rarely has anything to do with the next week. Teams can be on fire one week and crap the next week. This, obviously, goes for the Skins and the Bears.
5) Sad as it is to say, the residual hangover from the Sean Taylor funeral. The Skins did not play an inspired game against Buffalo last week and with short rest, short practice time and verloaded minds, I did not see a great performance out of the Skins as a whole.
Actually, I'm hoping (with absolutely no evidence to support this) that the arrests and funeral have brought some closure to the players and they can start to fully move on. Maybe they can start to play with pride and excitement for Sean rather than with sorrow and pain. (Sounds pretty good, huh?)
After thinking this, I see Campbell ranked the highest I can ever remember him and I wondered if I was missing something. With the Skins game tomorrow, I figured I better ask for insight now.
A few reasons for optimism:1. As mentioned, Thomas, Sellers, and ARE are back.2. Santana Moss is playing much better and looks more like his old self.3. Cooley is playing really well right now.
DG - why is ARE escaping me? Who is it - I'm spacing...?
 
hmmmm.......

i really, really need a QB this week........

mcnabb coming back from injury, warner losing his WRs.....

campbell...fbg.....you have me even more confuse.

 
im in the same boat mcnabb/campbell/warner

Looking at it from a healthy standpoint i would think that Campbell gets the call

Warner might not have Fitz and Boldin and didnt put up 200 yard last week against a weak Cleve Pass defense

Warner has been out 2 weeks and Nyg killed them the last time they played (12 sacks)

Im leaning toward Campbel but have Warner in the lineup (hoping Fitz plays) the big issues is you gatta make the campbell call tomorrow

man i wish i had a bye

 
hmmmm.......i really, really need a QB this week........mcnabb coming back from injury, warner losing his WRs.....campbell...fbg.....you have me even more confuse.
I am stuck between Campbell and McNabb myself. I'm taking a chance on McNabb.
Between the two I'm going with Campbell (even over Favre). McNabb got sacked something like a dozen times against the G-men earlier this year when he was healthy. Not good. I can see him getting benched. As for Favre, I think they run all day to protect him and he throws one TD at best but also probably at least one pick (negative points in most leagues). Campbell had an off week last week but I look for him to rebound. He'd been on a good roll before last week.
 
Im leaning toward Campbel but have Warner in the lineup (hoping Fitz plays) the big issues is you gatta make the campbell call tomorrow
with all of the injuries this year, thursday games are really mucking things up! i'm playing campbell because i won't know in time if i'll have schaub as an option.
 
MrJimiT said:
but he has seemed to disappoint whenever the matchup favors the passing game.
I agree with this here. I have Campbell as part of a committee and every time I start him because he seems to have a good matchup he has a stinker of a game. FBG's are kind of enamored with the kid right now and I like him myself, but I think he is inconsistent at this point in his career. I'm not saying he isn't worth a shot. I just think if you have someone who is more consistent this week I might go for them rather than play the match up. Just my 2 cents.
 
Mystery Achiever said:
RowdyDude said:
Im leaning toward Campbel but have Warner in the lineup (hoping Fitz plays) the big issues is you gatta make the campbell call tomorrow
with all of the injuries this year, thursday games are really mucking things up! i'm playing campbell because i won't know in time if i'll have schaub as an option.
So then, what are you thinking of as your best/worst case scenarios for him? I see a reasonable best case of 250 yards, 2TD's 1 INT and a worst case of 200 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT. If you know that Schaub is playing, I'd think he has a better prognosis than that.
 
This is killing me! I have the Favre/Campbell/McNabb decision as well. Do I take a chance on Campbell? Will McNabb not get sacked. Will Favre produce????

 
This is killing me! I have the Favre/Campbell/McNabb decision as well. Do I take a chance on Campbell? Will McNabb not get sacked. Will Favre produce????
To answer your questions:1. McNabb WILL definitely get sacked, possibly fumble, and may not survive the game either from injury or benching. Avoid!2. Favre will play but may not do much do to the fact that Green Bay should be able to run Ryan Grant on the Raiders all day long. 1 TD and 200 yds is about the ceiling but picks could hurt. Start at your own risk.3. Campbell had a string of 4 nice games going until last weekend's Buffalo debacle. On the season Campbell's only had three bad games. The Chicago Bear Cubs defense is ranked 24th against the pass so I think he'll be able to have success even if they run Portis to avenge Taylor's death. Cooley and Moss should be good for at least 1 TD between them if not apiece.
 
Those of you concerned about McNabb and using the first Giants/Eagles matchup as a barometer of what will transpire this week are sadly mistaken.

There were a lot of factors about that first game.....

I'll start a new thread.

 
what concerns me about Campbell is his fumbling and INTs. The Bears make a living off of creating turnovers and Campbell's willingness to hang in the pocket and his long release leaves him open to a lot of fumbles (12 on the year in 13 games). he's also throwing some bad INTs and it looks like he's losing confidence when throwing in the red zone. also hard to imagine Campbell and the Skins O having a great game plan this game with basically 1 day of practice. then there's the mental state of the Skins. who knows what kind of effort we're going to see. lot of factors in there that makes it hard for me to see him ranked that high.

 
Mystery Achiever said:
[ with all of the injuries this year, thursday games are really mucking things up! i'm playing campbell because i won't know in time if i'll have schaub as an option.
So then, what are you thinking of as your best/worst case scenarios for him? I see a reasonable best case of 250 yards, 2TD's 1 INT and a worst case of 200 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT. If you know that Schaub is playing, I'd think he has a better prognosis than that.
Agreed. I always play Schaub over Campbell when I can. But he's unlikely to play this week. And, we won't know for sure before tonight's kickoff.
 
When the decision is close, I generally play the guy I can watch on TV. Campbell will be on the big screen tonight so he's in over Schaub (who I don't think will play).

 
Dont expect much from Campbell this week as I see it as more of a ball control game.

 
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Pressure Situation

As Games Wind Down, Campbell Tends to Get Wound Up. Is He Well Prepared?

By Jason La Canfora

Washington Post Staff Writer

Thursday, December 6, 2007; E01

Jason Campbell can picture it all so vividly: The game clock is dwindling, the Redskins are in need of a game-winning score and a teammate is nestling into a open area in the end zone. Campbell delivers a perfect strike to the receiver, the Washington Redskins win the kind of game that has often slipped away and the young quarterback claims his first John Elway moment in a fourth-quarter comeback.

To this point, Campbell has yet to achieve that reality, often falling gut-wrenchingly short. Late-game heroics require a level of savvy and experience not easily gained, and Campbell, 25, will enter his 20th career start tonight against Chicago still looking for a signature drive to close a game. Thriving in the final two minutes, he admits, is one of his last great hurdles as he aims to become the franchise quarterback the Redskins have long sought.

"We've been so close this season," Campbell said. "The Dallas game we almost come from behind and win it, and the Tampa game is so close, but you do that as a quarterback and go back over some of the moments and you wish for that" game-winning play.

"But I know it's going to happen for me one day. I've just got to continue to keep plugging and keep pushing on. I feel like I've made a major improvement from last season to this season. The only thing I have to do now is try to protect the football better when I'm getting hit, and when you make a throw just understand sometimes that it's better to just go ahead and eat it."

The lessons have come hard and fast this season, with the Redskins (5-7) dropping four straight games to fall to the periphery of the NFC playoff picture. They have lost several games in the final minutes.

At Dallas, Campbell marshaled the Redskins deep into Cowboys territory with the game on the line, only to throw an interception. Then he did the same thing twice the following week at Tampa Bay. Last week the Redskins needed only one more first down out of their four-minute offense to close out the game, but the running game faltered and Buffalo rallied for a 17-16 win.

Campbell can hardly shoulder the entire blame, with play-calling, pass protection and in-game management by Coach Joe Gibbs highly suspect at times as well. But he has turned over the ball 13 times in the past six games -- he has had at least one turnover in eight straight games -- and has not produced that final late touchdown when needed.

The crippling losses have at times driven him to tears and his teammates have voiced unequivocal support. And while he has displayed moments of brilliance during the losing streak, posting his first two 300-yard games and completing nearly 62 percent of his passes, it is the critical mistakes that haunt him.

"That's a natural part of your development, and the best place to learn at that position is in game-type situation," said backup Mark Brunell, a 15-year veteran. "And that's happening and Jason is getting better every week, and to see his progress, it's exciting to see where he's going to go, because he's going to be a very good one for a long time.

"He's got the talent and he's got the poise and what I've been impressed with is we've had some good wins and some tough losses, and he's been poised. He doesn't get too high and he doesn't get too low. He handles everything like a professional, and it's basically just who he is coming out on the field and I think guys respect that."

Campbell is still trying to take command in the waning stages of games. This season he has been a part of 10 drives that either carried into the two-minute warning in the fourth quarter, or began after it. He is completing just 49 percent of those passes -- he is completing 60 percent of his attempts overall -- with no touchdowns, two interceptions and a poor 45.6 rating.

Campbell threw a touchdown pass to tight end Todd Yoder in his first NFL start in 2006 -- cutting a 10-point deficit to three in defeat -- but has not thrown a touchdown inside the final two minutes of the fourth quarter since. During games decided by seven points or fewer -- a regularity for Washington -- Campbell has tossed five touchdown passes and nine interceptions, and the more times the Redskins have asked Campbell to throw, the more error-prone he has been. He has a 82.8 passer rating on pass attempts one through 30, but after that his rating drops to 52.8.

None of this is out of the ordinary, and Gibbs credited Campbell for late-game acumen in the close contests Washington has won this season.

"We try and devote a lot of practice time to special situations," Gibbs said. "And I think probably a lot of those things too, are living through them in a game situation when the bullets are flying."

However, several players believe there is still not nearly enough emphasis on these areas in practice. They believe that would lead to be better results from players, as well as helping Gibbs's game management.

Seven veteran players displayed some degree of frustration with the lack of live, 11-on-11 drills between the first-team offense and defense, and said that the bulk of such work -- operating at full speed under duress, having to call timeouts and work in unusual situations beyond the scope of normal two-minute and no-huddle drills -- is reserved for training camp.

Players said that on other teams they would work weekly on such drills, with coaches calling out the score, time remaining, timeouts remaining and in essence force the offense to try to win a game during practice. Some veteran players said that, in talking to players around the league, they have learned that, for instance, New England's Bill Belichick spends one to two sessions each week working on various sequences duplicating the final minute or 45 seconds of a game, alternating playing from behind by two points or four points, with timeout management and all game mechanisms.

Gibbs, whose practice script, sources said, is not unlike the one used by associate head coach Al Saunders when he was in Kansas City, spends time Fridays on a special portion of practice running the two-minute drill (no-huddle offense). But players said those sessions do not encompass all that goes into the hurried nature of the kind of games the Redskins have blown throughout his second stint here.

"If we did that [situational] stuff more, it would definitely help Jason," one veteran said. "It would help the whole offense, and I think it's as much for the coaches as anyone else. It would definitely benefit them, too."

One member of the organization said that Brunell's headiness helped cover up some of the clock-management and timeout issues in the first years after Gibbs's return to coaching, but that the practice routine never changed significantly for a less-experienced passer who is just learning how to react in these situations.

"If you watch our team, you see how every game goes down to the wire," one source said. "We've got a young quarterback who is doing the best he can, but it takes time to learn this stuff and you learn through repetition."

One team leader said, "I'll never figure out why we don't rehearse that stuff more."

Another player said: "I guess the thought here is you hope you see it in the preseason and do it in training camp, and if it comes up in a game you hope you can go back to that. But it's not the same as having been through it that week in practice."

However, other players, including standouts such as wide receiver Santana Moss, said that the team's practices are similar to what they have seen elsewhere in the NFL and that practice is no excuse for letting games get away. Other members of the organization said they believe a fear of injuries, given the nature of such 11-on-11 drills, could be a reason the Redskins do not work on this aspect as much.

When asked how often he goes live against the defense under full game situations, including having to call timeouts and come from behind, Campbell said: "We don't do that too much, but certain situational stuff we work on, a lot of four-minute and two-minute. It's so hard to simulate all of that in practice and I think you have to experience it more in a game."

However, sources said that Campbell, under the tutelage of offensive coordinator Al Borges at Auburn, worked relentlessly on late-game situations in college, where it was a staple of practice, and responded well to it. Regardless of any connection between practice and performance, the Redskins know how easily they could be 7-5 now, rather than mired in their current predicament.

"We're looking at all our games now that we should have won or could have won," Campbell said. "And all we need is one more big play or one big stop, and that's what's been getting us all season."
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any other thoughts on JC v. Big Ben?
Twice this year I've gone JC over Ben due to match-up's, and he burned me both times. I just can't do it again. Add to that, the pat's D isn't looking so special lately, I figure Ben is going to have to pass a bunch to stay with NE.
 
Mene said:
mofo313 said:
any other thoughts on JC v. Big Ben?
Twice this year I've gone JC over Ben due to match-up's, and he burned me both times. I just can't do it again. Add to that, the pat's D isn't looking so special lately, I figure Ben is going to have to pass a bunch to stay with NE.
Ouch. I forgot Ben was against NE. I think I'd still go with him though, and I'm a 'Skins homer.
 
against dallas and TB, two pretty good defenses, campbell had over 300 yards passing. they are throwing the ball alot. 140 attempts over the pass 3 weeks.

and the bears have a so so pass defense.

i am starting this guy with confidence.

 

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