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One of the main issues is troop donations. I know I rely on the extra 25 soldiers people generously donate. I know I try to donate as often as I can if I have troops available.

Going to smaller clans means smaller donations. You should have seen what it was like when people bailed to fbg2 after the first war.

 
I know we've discussed it before and it would be a sacrifice for someone, but starting a smaller clan, say max 20-25, would be a lot more competitive if someone is looking for that. The 50 player clan just doesn't work for a competitive fight because there is just no one as organized or engaged with the majority of its clan as we are.

Imagine the war if are top 20 peeled off and went up against a similarly equipped, engaged clan? I guess you could always run into disengaged clans which seems to be the bane of clan wars but man, that would be a strategic slugfest. Would love to watch something like that.
I'm in a 20 person clan with guys from work, and even there, it's hard to find clans that even come close to us. We lost our first war, then haven't lost since. 25-30 wars? We pretty much war constantly and none have really been close.
I'm not sure what the sweet spot is, 10? 15 maybe? Whatever that competitive number is but there has to be other clans out there similar to ours, similar to the one you are involved with at work, similar to the other clan I deal with that want to play & win. Maybe it's just a matter of not having faced off against one yet? I don't know but the longer we run a 45-50 person clan the more confident I become that we will always dominate the competition, no questions asked.

 
One of the main issues is troop donations. I know I rely on the extra 25 soldiers people generously donate. I know I try to donate as often as I can if I have troops available.

Going to smaller clans means smaller donations. You should have seen what it was like when people bailed to fbg2 after the first war.
Absolutely. The 15 person clan I'm in now, you can go a week without ever getting your cc filled. Does make a big difference to those that use cc troops offensively. I keep them solely for defense so it doesn't really effect me. I'm like you, I queue up 40 archers solely for donation most days. I think another factor is how often are you are online. Obviously a lot of us are on frequently during the day where some folks just can't do that.

 
One of the main issues is troop donations. I know I rely on the extra 25 soldiers people generously donate. I know I try to donate as often as I can if I have troops available.

Going to smaller clans means smaller donations. You should have seen what it was like when people bailed to fbg2 after the first war.
Absolutely. The 15 person clan I'm in now, you can go a week without ever getting your cc filled.
I can't imagine we would have this problem, we have too many active generous types, probably half the combined FBG clanship. Maybe at worst you would wait a couple hours?

On a side note, I've recently adopted the philosophy of your avatar, beer30. Took me 40 years to get into running, never realized how therapeutic it can be. Just did a 10-miler a few weeks ago, might try a half-marathon later this year.

 
One of the main issues is troop donations. I know I rely on the extra 25 soldiers people generously donate. I know I try to donate as often as I can if I have troops available.

Going to smaller clans means smaller donations. You should have seen what it was like when people bailed to fbg2 after the first war.
Absolutely. The 15 person clan I'm in now, you can go a week without ever getting your cc filled. Does make a big difference to those that use cc troops offensively. I keep them solely for defense so it doesn't really effect me. I'm like you, I queue up 40 archers solely for donation most days. I think another factor is how often are you are online. Obviously a lot of us are on frequently during the day where some folks just can't do that.
I don't use my CC offensively but I do raid and give up my shield a lot, which means I get frequently attacked and need defensive reinforcements. I wouldn't want to switch to a clan where donations aren't taken care of as quickly as they are now, that's a huge boon.

 
One of the main issues is troop donations. I know I rely on the extra 25 soldiers people generously donate. I know I try to donate as often as I can if I have troops available.

Going to smaller clans means smaller donations. You should have seen what it was like when people bailed to fbg2 after the first war.
Absolutely. The 15 person clan I'm in now, you can go a week without ever getting your cc filled.
I can't imagine we would have this problem, we have too many active generous types, probably half the combined FBG clanship. Maybe at worst you would wait a couple hours?

On a side note, I've recently adopted the philosophy of your avatar, beer30. Took me 40 years to get into running, never realized how therapeutic it can be. Just did a 10-miler a few weeks ago, might try a half-marathon later this year.
If you can run 10, you can run 26. Go into the 10K thread. Those guys are awesome and helpful. But they write so much, I cant keep up with it

 
One of the main issues is troop donations. I know I rely on the extra 25 soldiers people generously donate. I know I try to donate as often as I can if I have troops available.

Going to smaller clans means smaller donations. You should have seen what it was like when people bailed to fbg2 after the first war.
Absolutely. The 15 person clan I'm in now, you can go a week without ever getting your cc filled.
I can't imagine we would have this problem, we have too many active generous types, probably half the combined FBG clanship. Maybe at worst you would wait a couple hours?

On a side note, I've recently adopted the philosophy of your avatar, beer30. Took me 40 years to get into running, never realized how therapeutic it can be. Just did a 10-miler a few weeks ago, might try a half-marathon later this year.
At almost any reasonable time of day you can put out a request and get exactly what you ask for within a few minutes in our clans, which is awesome. Before I got into the FBG clan, I joined several random clans and nobody was even close to being as organized and successful as we are. The loot is a good bonus but hell, I like winning too - besides, going sub 200 and raiding for an hour or so is far more lucrative as far as looting goes. I like it the way it is, one war a week for our main clans.

 
One of the main issues is troop donations. I know I rely on the extra 25 soldiers people generously donate. I know I try to donate as often as I can if I have troops available.

Going to smaller clans means smaller donations. You should have seen what it was like when people bailed to fbg2 after the first war.
Absolutely. The 15 person clan I'm in now, you can go a week without ever getting your cc filled.
I can't imagine we would have this problem, we have too many active generous types, probably half the combined FBG clanship. Maybe at worst you would wait a couple hours?

On a side note, I've recently adopted the philosophy of your avatar, beer30. Took me 40 years to get into running, never realized how therapeutic it can be. Just did a 10-miler a few weeks ago, might try a half-marathon later this year.
At almost any reasonable time of day you can put out a request and get exactly what you ask for within a few minutes in our clans, which is awesome. Before I got into the FBG clan, I joined several random clans and nobody was even close to being as organized and successful as we are. The loot is a good bonus but hell, I like winning too - besides, going sub 200 and raiding for an hour or so is far more lucrative as far as looting goes. I like it the way it is, one war a week for our main clans.
#miss you sub 200

 
I just started playing a couple of days ago. I have just been building my defenses. Any advice? I think I am Squirrel Legion. Tia.
What level is your town hall? Get the mortar as soon as it is available.
My town hall is a six, I have two Mortars, three level three orbfour archer towers, and some cannons. I have been playing for five days .
 
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One of the main issues is troop donations. I know I rely on the extra 25 soldiers people generously donate. I know I try to donate as often as I can if I have troops available.

Going to smaller clans means smaller donations. You should have seen what it was like when people bailed to fbg2 after the first war.
Absolutely. The 15 person clan I'm in now, you can go a week without ever getting your cc filled.
I can't imagine we would have this problem, we have too many active generous types, probably half the combined FBG clanship. Maybe at worst you would wait a couple hours?

On a side note, I've recently adopted the philosophy of your avatar, beer30. Took me 40 years to get into running, never realized how therapeutic it can be. Just did a 10-miler a few weeks ago, might try a half-marathon later this year.
Was just going to recommend heading over to the 10k thread. Lotta great motivation and knowledge there. As much info as there is in this thread about CoC, there is that much or more about running in the 10k thread.

I see Acer is pointing you that way already. It's addictive.

 
I just started playing a couple of days ago. I have just been building my defenses. Any advice? I think I am Squirrel Legion. Tia.
What level is your town hall? Get the mortar as soon as it is available.
My town hall is a six and I have two Morters, three level three archer towers, and cannons.
Stop upgrading your town hall until all of your defenses are fully upgraded. Also upgrade your other buildings before moving to TH7.

 
Let's go to war all the time guys, what's up with the waiting!?
You are new

The premise was to go once a week for each clan because it used to be a pain to keep changing a war base and a normal base. The war base editor has solved that. Some guys want to win every war though and that takes a ton of help from our top guys. I can make Valks and by the time I went to, socal had taken care of it all. That is a huge drain on his DE and guys shouldnt be expected to carry that weight all the time. Because of that, we felt that once a week was sufficient (in each clan)

Some suggested we just use the war as a loot bonus for just picking on the honeypot. The competitive nature of fbgs shot that down
Yeah I think it is worth revisiting. The majority of voices are for more frequent warring. There is really no downside, those that find it too burdensome are free to sit on the sidelines; the game does not change at all for them, we can still have the *serious* once a week war.

I didn't mind changing clans twice a week, but now even that is a problem, as you have people messing with that movement (rejecting requests for their entertainment). The clans are getting bigger and there will be folks left out.

If there is enough interest we could start yet another FBG clan for 3X week wars. Ideally would have ~20 to start. But I think it would be better if we just re-align the two existing clans in that fashion (once-weekly warriors in FBG1, thrice-weekly in FBG2 or vice versa).
:lmao: If by majority you mean you and the new guy, then yes, the majority is for more frequent wars...

 
I just started playing a couple of days ago. I have just been building my defenses. Any advice? I think I am Squirrel Legion. Tia.
What level is your town hall? Get the mortar as soon as it is available.
My town hall is a six and I have two Morters, three level three archer towers, and cannons.
Stop upgrading your town hall until all of your defenses are fully upgraded. Also upgrade your other buildings before moving to TH7.
This - I got all enamored with a bunch of extra walls and went to TH8 WAY too soon. It will take months for my defenses/barracks/etc to catch up with the TH.

I also feel like a ####### on our war maps when I am ranked below a bunch of TH6 and 7. :cry:

 
This - I got all enamored with a bunch of extra walls and went to TH8 WAY too soon. It will take months for my defenses/barracks/etc to catch up with the TH.

I also feel like a ####### on our war maps when I am ranked below a bunch of TH6 and 7. :cry:
I was guilty of this exact same thing. I've spent eons at TH8 catching up. The end is finally in sight.

 
This - I got all enamored with a bunch of extra walls and went to TH8 WAY too soon. It will take months for my defenses/barracks/etc to catch up with the TH.

I also feel like a ####### on our war maps when I am ranked below a bunch of TH6 and 7. :cry:
I was guilty of this exact same thing. I've spent eons at TH8 catching up. The end is finally in sight.
Not to mention, all those extra walls cost a shat ton of gold to upgrade. I just now have my base surrounded with pink walls, but all of my interior walls are still gold. Will cost me 24 million just to get the rest of them pink. #CoCproblems.

 
I have a six TH, I have six gold mines that are four, five and six. I have six level 4 elixer machines. I have three builders huts. I have three level three barracks. I have a one Mortar and a two Mortar. I have an air defense. I have two air bombs. I have a little bit of stone wall and some small cannons. I have like 500 trophies and I am getting coin and elixer faster then I can spend it with the three builders. I am like 20-1 in defense attacks and keep winning my attacks. What next? I started playing on Sunday.

 
I just started playing a couple of days ago. I have just been building my defenses. Any advice? I think I am Squirrel Legion. Tia.
What level is your town hall? Get the mortar as soon as it is available.
My town hall is a six, I have two Mortars, three level three orbfour archer towers, and some cannons. I have been playing for five days .
howd you manage that
My eight year old helped me get started.
 
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Can one of you invite me? From what I gather, it's 24 hours otherwise.
I'm Moroder, not sure how you locate me though.
Try again you will get in
Nope, still says banned. Thanks Ig.
Sorry about that. :bag: If it makes you feel any better, I banned myself, too.
Not at all. By the time I am able to request again, the clan will be full.
If need be, I'll drop out so you can get that spot. I was tipsy and was a ####. I won't do that again (reject an invite, that is -- not the tipsy dicky part).

 
I just started playing a couple of days ago. I have just been building my defenses. Any advice? I think I am Squirrel Legion. Tia.
What level is your town hall? Get the mortar as soon as it is available.
My town hall is a six, I have two Mortars, three level three orbfour archer towers, and some cannons. I have been playing for five days .
howd you manage that
My eight year old helped me get started.
Fuzzy math here.

 
I just attacked some monster base and took a beat down. I did get a bunch of loot from my archers at least. Lost some trophies. I have no idea what I am supposed to be doing but it is fun.

 
I just started playing a couple of days ago. I have just been building my defenses. Any advice? I think I am Squirrel Legion. Tia.
What level is your town hall? Get the mortar as soon as it is available.
My town hall is a six, I have two Mortars, three level three orbfour archer towers, and some cannons. I have been playing for five days .
howd you manage that
My eight year old helped me get started.
Fuzzy math here.
I don't get what you mean? It says I am #3 in Bronze 2. I'm squirrel Legion! And what is the blue line with the stars. I only have 20 now but thought I had a higher number before.
 
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I don't know. If I had it to do over again I'd rush to TH7 for the 200 troop count without regards to anything.

200 troops can just ruin sub 200 farming. With 4 builders (Will cost you 10 bucks in real scrilla) you can catch up super fast.

 
I don't know. If I had it to do over again I'd rush to TH7 for the 200 troop count without regards to anything.

200 troops can just ruin sub 200 farming.
Yeah, you'll get wrecked any time someone attacks you but you will be bringing in way more than you will be losing.
 
I don't know. If I had it to do over again I'd rush to TH7 for the 200 troop count without regards to anything.

200 troops can just ruin sub 200 farming.
Yeah, you'll get wrecked any time someone attacks you but you will be bringing in way more than you will be losing.
I think with 4 builders if you do it right and scrub all excess gold into walls nobody will even bother unless they are looking for elixer, which will pile up.

I think priority starting out is:

-Gold storages to cover TH upgrades

-Speedy TH upgrades. As soon as can be afforded pull the trigger

-Lab upgrades with goblins as first upgraded troop (Then arch, then barb) forget the rest for now.

-don't even bother with walls (seriously). Don't even build a single one until TH6. No need.

-buy the 4 builders asap.

-Stay at sub200

-Profit

 
I don't know. If I had it to do over again I'd rush to TH7 for the 200 troop count without regards to anything.

200 troops can just ruin sub 200 farming.
Yeah, you'll get wrecked any time someone attacks you but you will be bringing in way more than you will be losing.
I think with 4 builders if you do it right and scrub all excess gold into walls nobody will even bother unless they are looking for elixer, which will pile up.

I think priority starting out is:

-Gold storages to cover TH upgrades

-Speedy TH upgrades. As soon as can be afforded pull the trigger

-Lab upgrades with goblins as first upgraded troop (Then arch, then barb) forget the rest for now.

-don't even bother with walls (seriously). Don't even build a single one until TH6. No need.

-buy the 4 builders asap.

-Stay at sub200

-Profit
Interesting thought. I have a th5 acct I'm trying to build up the right way, hadn't considered a mad rush to th7 and holding. Might re-evaluate my strategy.As for my th7 acct, I'm staying until everything is upgraded to the max based on the experiences from all the th8's here. It's too easy to fund everything th7 sub200. Taking full advantage of it before I have to grow up and learn to fight at th8.

 
Let's go to war all the time guys, what's up with the waiting!?
You are new

The premise was to go once a week for each clan because it used to be a pain to keep changing a war base and a normal base. The war base editor has solved that. Some guys want to win every war though and that takes a ton of help from our top guys. I can make Valks and by the time I went to, socal had taken care of it all. That is a huge drain on his DE and guys shouldnt be expected to carry that weight all the time. Because of that, we felt that once a week was sufficient (in each clan)

Some suggested we just use the war as a loot bonus for just picking on the honeypot. The competitive nature of fbgs shot that down
Yeah I think it is worth revisiting. The majority of voices are for more frequent warring. There is really no downside, those that find it too burdensome are free to sit on the sidelines; the game does not change at all for them, we can still have the *serious* once a week war.

I didn't mind changing clans twice a week, but now even that is a problem, as you have people messing with that movement (rejecting requests for their entertainment). The clans are getting bigger and there will be folks left out.

If there is enough interest we could start yet another FBG clan for 3X week wars. Ideally would have ~20 to start. But I think it would be better if we just re-align the two existing clans in that fashion (once-weekly warriors in FBG1, thrice-weekly in FBG2 or vice versa).
I'll be vocal about not increasing the wars. I actually only participate in about 2 out of every 3 clan wars as it is.

 
I don't know. If I had it to do over again I'd rush to TH7 for the 200 troop count without regards to anything.

200 troops can just ruin sub 200 farming.
Yeah, you'll get wrecked any time someone attacks you but you will be bringing in way more than you will be losing.
I think with 4 builders if you do it right and scrub all excess gold into walls nobody will even bother unless they are looking for elixer, which will pile up.

I think priority starting out is:

-Gold storages to cover TH upgrades

-Speedy TH upgrades. As soon as can be afforded pull the trigger

-Lab upgrades with goblins as first upgraded troop (Then arch, then barb) forget the rest for now.

-don't even bother with walls (seriously). Don't even build a single one until TH6. No need.

-buy the 4 builders asap.

-Stay at sub200

-Profit
Interesting thought. I have a th5 acct I'm trying to build up the right way, hadn't considered a mad rush to th7 and holding. Might re-evaluate my strategy.As for my th7 acct, I'm staying until everything is upgraded to the max based on the experiences from all the th8's here. It's too easy to fund everything th7 sub200. Taking full advantage of it before I have to grow up and learn to fight at th8.
I think alot of guides were written before Sub200 was born. Sub200 forces a complete rethinking of how to grow fast in this game.

Keep a builder free and you can fill out a TH7 full of black walls in a few hours.

I should have also said camps were a priority, but since you can use camps while they are upgrading it isn't time sensitive.

 
sartre said:
Ignoramus said:
sartre said:
VA703 said:
sartre said:
sartre said:
Can one of you invite me? From what I gather, it's 24 hours otherwise.
I'm Moroder, not sure how you locate me though.
Try again you will get in
Nope, still says banned. Thanks Ig.
Sorry about that. :bag: If it makes you feel any better, I banned myself, too.
Not at all. By the time I am able to request again, the clan will be full.
We will get you in.

 
coyote5 said:
sartre said:
AcerFC said:
BostonRob said:
Let's go to war all the time guys, what's up with the waiting!?
You are new

The premise was to go once a week for each clan because it used to be a pain to keep changing a war base and a normal base. The war base editor has solved that. Some guys want to win every war though and that takes a ton of help from our top guys. I can make Valks and by the time I went to, socal had taken care of it all. That is a huge drain on his DE and guys shouldnt be expected to carry that weight all the time. Because of that, we felt that once a week was sufficient (in each clan)

Some suggested we just use the war as a loot bonus for just picking on the honeypot. The competitive nature of fbgs shot that down
Yeah I think it is worth revisiting. The majority of voices are for more frequent warring. There is really no downside, those that find it too burdensome are free to sit on the sidelines; the game does not change at all for them, we can still have the *serious* once a week war.

I didn't mind changing clans twice a week, but now even that is a problem, as you have people messing with that movement (rejecting requests for their entertainment). The clans are getting bigger and there will be folks left out.

If there is enough interest we could start yet another FBG clan for 3X week wars. Ideally would have ~20 to start. But I think it would be better if we just re-align the two existing clans in that fashion (once-weekly warriors in FBG1, thrice-weekly in FBG2 or vice versa).
:lmao: If by majority you mean you and the new guy, then yes, the majority is for more frequent wars...
I'm not sure why you find this laughable. I said majority of voices. Maybe I am wrong. I'm not going to run a tally, but if you look back the last few pages and consider the comments in clan chat, pretty sure there have been more questioning why we don't war more often. Greg is one of very few giving reason against it. Igbomb and Clayton I think have voiced similar concern (mostly about the burden on the top guys, which I understand, but I think can be avoided).

Further, if you look at the movement between clans, it's obvious that we have reached the tipping point where more are interested in multiple wars than can be accommodated by jumping between FBG1 and FBG2. There's a rapid exodus to the other clan after one war ends. The clans are getting bigger, I said only we should revisit the topic.

 
Kanil said:
sartre said:
AcerFC said:
BostonRob said:
Let's go to war all the time guys, what's up with the waiting!?
You are new

The premise was to go once a week for each clan because it used to be a pain to keep changing a war base and a normal base. The war base editor has solved that. Some guys want to win every war though and that takes a ton of help from our top guys. I can make Valks and by the time I went to, socal had taken care of it all. That is a huge drain on his DE and guys shouldnt be expected to carry that weight all the time. Because of that, we felt that once a week was sufficient (in each clan)

Some suggested we just use the war as a loot bonus for just picking on the honeypot. The competitive nature of fbgs shot that down
Yeah I think it is worth revisiting. The majority of voices are for more frequent warring. There is really no downside, those that find it too burdensome are free to sit on the sidelines; the game does not change at all for them, we can still have the *serious* once a week war.

I didn't mind changing clans twice a week, but now even that is a problem, as you have people messing with that movement (rejecting requests for their entertainment). The clans are getting bigger and there will be folks left out.

If there is enough interest we could start yet another FBG clan for 3X week wars. Ideally would have ~20 to start. But I think it would be better if we just re-align the two existing clans in that fashion (once-weekly warriors in FBG1, thrice-weekly in FBG2 or vice versa).
I'll be vocal about not increasing the wars. I actually only participate in about 2 out of every 3 clan wars as it is.
Linak, if a war was declared and there was no expectation for you to donate or participate, would it lessen the game for you?

If the 'other' clan warred 3 times a week, but yours warred once a week, would that lessen the game?

 
sartre said:
Ignoramus said:
Sorry about that. :bag: If it makes you feel any better, I banned myself, too.
Not at all. By the time I am able to request again, the clan will be full.
We will get you in.
Thanks. It's not that big a deal if I miss one, but I do appreciate the effort.

I was looking forward to watching culdeus drop some balloons!
6hrs to lvl 5. It will be like a kids birthday party, with blood.

 
sartre said:
Ignoramus said:
Sorry about that. :bag:

If it makes you feel any better, I banned myself, too.
Not at all. By the time I am able to request again, the clan will be full.
We will get you in.
Thanks. It's not that big a deal if I miss one, but I do appreciate the effort.

I was looking forward to watching culdeus drop some balloons!
Watching the various culdeus attacks is the highlight of clan wars IMO
 
sartre said:
Ignoramus said:
Sorry about that. :bag:

If it makes you feel any better, I banned myself, too.
Not at all. By the time I am able to request again, the clan will be full.
We will get you in.
Thanks. It's not that big a deal if I miss one, but I do appreciate the effort.

I was looking forward to watching culdeus drop some balloons!
Watching the various culdeus attacks is the highlight of clan wars IMO
Hey, I wiped some fools last time. Double 3*.

 
I want to apologize for my part in the idiocy in fbg2 yesterday. I didn't reject anyone's request to join but I encouraged the stalling.

Let's be friends again. :suds:

 
culdeus said:
PIK95 said:
What does sub 200 mean? Tia.
Sub 200 means attacking when your trophy level is less than 200. The bases tend to be people who have abandoned the game and are easy to run over with an all gob army.
I think almost no one sub200 has quit the game. Think about what happens to any of us who are sub200 without a shield. You immediately get someone dropping 1 troop and quitting to dump trophies, and you shoot up way above sub200 range in just a few minutes. I think abandoned bases probably end up in the 700-900 range before the number of trophies gained in attacks on them balances out with trophies people lose attacking them. Probably dependent on their defenses too, higher level guys who quit will end up at higher trophy counts as people lose against them more.

The people you find sub200 are there intentionally. They are mostly farmers who don't want to do raids and don't want to be raided, so they intentionally keep losing trophies to stay down low.

PIK, the reason it works for a place to go attack, is when you hit 199 trophies or below, the match making equation seems to change. At 200 trophies and above you get matched with anyone, and at that range 95% of bases are like TH2 and TH3. But at 199 trophies, it seems like you only get bases that are within 2 TH levels of you. So going under 200 trophies suddenly all those farmers trying to hide amongst the huge number of newbies, suddenly have the newbies removed from the matchmaking of similar players.

By the way, the smart play for a farmer then is to hide around 400-500 trophies, since a sub200 person won't get matched with someone that high, nor will people looking to attack in the 700+ ranges. I go sub200 to raid and climb back to 400 (or let people trophy drop on me to get there if I don't have buku DE to be lightning attacked so I can revenge them later), and I almost never face real attacks in the 400 range.

 
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Is anyone from FBG2 on the game right now?

If

sartre said:
Not at all. By the time I am able to request again, the clan will be full.
We will get you in.
Is anyone in FBG2 online right now?

If so, my understanding is that you can invite me from the global chat page, so I don't have to try again at midnight tonight.

I can post there and (I believe) anyone with Elder status (which should be everyone, I suppose) can invite me from there. I'll post "Moroder for FBG2" in global chat in 10 minutes.

 
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