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Ohhh no, I am just wondering why you say you can't compare apples and oranges. I can. Everyone can.
Good for you, Lloyd!
I don't know about Dantley, but Nomar was given one.You can say blah blah Vanderjagt, Tony Dungy yada yada, but the connection wasn't such.You look at the Red Sox, Garciapara was a HUGE part of that team for years, and the fans loved him, he was loved allover the city. It was the same with James. He was amazing for them for years. Overcame an ACL injury, came back to pro-bowl level, helped them compete for a championship for years, he was one of the "triplets", and beloved in Indy. Between Peyton/Freeny/Harrison--49 other people on the team (53 once you account for James)...there's just not enough money. He was a cap casualty that should have and would have been a huge part of that superbowl run. James was one of the best backs in NFL history statistically until the move.
Oranges taste better than apples.See, it can be done.
Why the hell not? He helped build that house. Do you think Dungy doesn't feel any pride that his Buccaneers won the superbowl, whether he was coaching them or not? Dungy helped build those Buccaneers into champions, and Edge helped build those Colts into champions. Both of them were part of their former team's SB victory, whether they were on the field or not.If I play football at Vanderbilt and over my 4 years there we turn the team from a joke to a true contender, and the team wins a championship the year after I leave, you bet your butt that I feel pride and consider that championship partly mine. I helped turn the team around, I made it a desirable place to be, and I paved the way for quality football in that town. Do you think Florida could have won the national championship without the contributions of Ron Zook? Do you think Denver would have become such a good team if it weren't for the Orange Crush Broncos adding legitimacy to the franchise? Do you think Miami makes the championship game in 2001 if Schnellenberger doesn't coach them from 1979 to 2001? Should Schnellenberger feel no sense of pride for the 30-game winning streak?BusterTBronco said:
Of course you can same the same for Dungy. The Bucs stopped being #### when he took them over. He leaves and Gruden reaps the rewards.And I still wouldn't give Dungy a SB ring for the Bucs win.
So everyone who didn't play was equally as deserving as Edge, and by that logic I should be expecting my Super Bowl ring in the mail any day now, right?
So your reasoning"mentoring Rhodes" is one of the reasons he should have gotten a ring. That same example applies as you can also say Rhodes mentored Addia and if the Colts win it this year Rhodes then deserves a ring.If I say this I get told to take a lesson in analogies and asked to compare apples and oranges, someone else makes this statement and it's logical?If you're on a roster and you win a championship, you get a ring. All the players who came before can take pride in that but they certainly don't deserve something that everyone on that roster worked their a### off all season long to get while said player was taking more money in Arizona.In countless ways. He mentored Dom Rhodes, who rushed for 113 yards and a TD. He helped carry the team to the playoffs many times over, giving them the necessary playoff experience and mental toughness to stage the largest comeback in AFC Championship game history. If Edgerrin James was a bust draft pick, I don't think you can say with any degree of certainty that the Colts win the Super Bowl in '06.How did his performance in previous years contribute to a superbowl win in a year where he was playing for another team?Classy move by Irsay. James gave a lot to the Colts, and I'm sure many in the organization feel that if it wasn't for Edgerrin James' contributions over the years, the Colts wouldn't have won it all last season.to Irsay.
If Edge actually did more for the Colts than players who were actually ON THE TEAM the year they won the superbowl, sanctions should be levied by the league. A player is not supposed to be helping his old team win at the same time he is being employed by another team. I can't believe you'd even pose this question, because it's so ridiculous.Put into fantasy terms, how do you feel about it when two owners of different fantasy football teams split up the pot at the end of the season? Lets say the winner got some great trade advice from another owner, so he threw him some money out of the pot. Is that classy?
Agreed. Or possibly a nice watch. But not a SB ring. Not that there was anything malevolent about the gesture.Perhaps a plaque instead would have been more appropriate. "In recognition of contributions provided to build this organization into a Super Bowl Champion, (...etc...)".
So you're saying that it's ridiculous to suggest that Edge contributed more to Indy's win than some guy who didn't see the field all season because he was on IR? Because the guy on IR gets a ring. If "Guy on IR" gets a ring, and Edge is more deserving of a ring than "Guy on IR", why shouldn't Edge get a ring, too?I'll go so far as to say Tony Dungy contributed more to Tampa's SB win than Gruden. And no, sanctions don't need to be levied- Dungy wasn't actively helping out Tampa Bay, it's just that his fingerprints were all over that franchise. He helped make that franchise great. Without him, it's questionable whether they would have ever achieved greatness in the first place... and without greatness, there's no SB victory. Ditto that for Edge.
Edge wasnt on the team that won the superbowl. Any player that WAS on the team gets a ring, BECAUSE HE WAS ON THE SUPERBOWL WINNING TEAM. It's the very DEFINITION of why you get a trophy for WINNING.To follow your logic: Edge is on a different team than the Superbowl Colts. He's under contract to help the Cardinals win, not the Colts. If he contributed more to the Colts winning a superbowl than any of the players actually under contract by the Colts, there should be serious sanctions levied by the NFL. That's a huge conflict of interests, it's against league policy, and it would be a terrible way to run the league.
If Pittsburgh wins the SB this season, I would argue that Bill Cowher was more responsible for that SB victory than some guy on the practice squad. I don't get why that is worthy of sanctions by the NFL. The NFL needs to level sanctions because some people leave a lasting imprint on a franchise? That's the sort of behavior that the NFL should be ENCOURAGING rather than sanctioning.And yes, I believe that there are some players on the SB colts who are less deserving of a trophy than a player on a different team. For instance, the players on IR. How did players who were on IR the entire season contribute more to that championship than Edge? How did the practice squadders contribute to that championship? Why does Jimmy Smith get a SB ring with the Cowboys (for whom he did nothing but take up cap space and a roster spot), and he's somehow deserving, but Edgerrin James gets one from the Colts and it "cheapens the whole process"?
Them sure were some "classy" trucks leaving Baltimore at 2 am when the Colts moved. And "classy" Jim Irsay signs the check of "classy" Bill Polian every month.
Hahaha....that's hilarious!Post of the thread.
What's wrong with that? Is it unclassy to pay your employees or something?
When you say "we" are you talking about you and your pal Jim Irsay? I take it he didn't consult with you about this. Don't be upset.
Hmmm, how long has he been gone?And didn't they just break the record for 10 win seasons in a row?
I think it was a classy thing to do and I agree it could have been meant as an FU, but clearly it wasn't.Edge was a huge part of the Colts for a long time and helped build the offense that won the SB. Sure, it's a little strange to give a ring to a guy who left as a FA but I don't think it was his choice. He wanted to stay and get paid but it was either him or Harrison (I'll admit I thought it should have been Edge they kept).
When people start complaining they shouldn't show any appreciation for Edge's role in turning the Colts franchise into a winner
Actually for YEARS with Dungy they were unable to achieve greatness. Without him they were able to.But don't let facts get in the way of your thought process.
That statement is EXACTLY why giving a ring to a player on a different team is such a bad idea. It's evidence for people to question every individual player's value on the team that actually won. We shouldnt have a conversation about how Edgerrin James on the Cardinals actually helped the Colts win the Superbowl more than the players that were actually ON THE TEAM.That's exactly why I am against it. That's why it's not a classy move, even if it seems like it's a 'feelgood' thing to do. It just cheapens the win for the players who actually earned it.
Does the Donkey get a ring?
Those people should just mind their own business.
Where do you win it, in a game of tiddlywinks before the game?A nice and generous move by Isray. Also stupid, for reasons already stated. Rings should be given to people actually on the team. This actually needs to be explained?
Some of you people who don't know the difference between Jim Irsay and Robert Irsay and it just shows how little you really know about the Colts exodus from Baltimore. Jim Irsay is nothing like his father and didn't make the decision to leave Baltimore."Jim Irsay was 12 years old when his father Robert Irsay purchased the Baltimore Colts. After graduating from SMU, he began working for the Colts in 1982. He started by working at the ticket counter and then later in the team's public relations department. Jim was named general manager in 1984, one month after the Colts moved to Indianapolis. After his father suffered a stroke in 1995, Jim assumed day-to-day management of the team. When his father died in 1997, Jim had a legal battle with his stepmother but later became the youngest NFL team owner in history at age 37. He controls 100% of the franchise."
I never said that the Bucs achieved greatness with Dungy, I simply said that Dungy was instrumental in the Bucs achieving greatness. Big difference.In the entire history of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers prior to Dungy, only twice were they .500 or better. They had a 9-7 year, and a 10-6 year, both of which came in 1981 or earlier. Calling that franchise "moribund" would have been beyond generous, it would have been downright magnanimous. And then, after 2 .500 seasons in 20 years, Dungy posted 5 in 6 years (after going 6-10 in his first season). Before Tony Dungy got there, free agents would only visit so they could tell other teams that there was competition for their services and drum up the prices. NOBODY wanted to play for the Bucs, nobody respected the Bucs, the Bucs were wholly irrelevant. John Gruden would never have SNIFFED the Superbowl if it weren't for Tony Dungy turning that franchise from the biggest laughingstock in the history of the NFL into one of the best teams in the NFC. If Gruden had taken over that team immediately after Wyche instead of immediately after Dungy, I doubt he would have ever even made the playoffs before getting fired.But don't let facts get in the way of your thought process.
Please enlighten me as to how some schmuck who tried out for the team, got injured in the preseason, and spent the entire year on IR helped the Colts win the superbowl.
My guess would be because he wasn't wearing another team's jersey and his paychecks came from the Super Bowl champion. That's a loose definition though.
That makes him more hindrance than help. Both Edge and "random player on IR" contributed as much to the championship on the field, but at least Edge wasn't wasting precious cap space.
Then why did Robert Kraft give one to Vladimir Putin? And why are the Colts giving five rings away to their fans? The reasons you're citing are stupid. If not for Mo Lewis knocking out Drew Bledsoe, who knows where the Pats would be right now.
It's a commemorative piece of jewelry... there's nothing saying only PLAYERS get them, or even MEMBERS OF THE TEAM. It's commemorative... just like hats, t-shirts, videos, calendars... but a heck of a lot more expensive, and overseen by the team instead of media and publishing outlets. Hence, if the team wants someone to have it, because they feel that individual is one who would enjoy the memory of the team's win, then that's their prerogative.
Or the Patriots?
