Clinton Portis (1 Viewer)

[Banger]

Tomlinson is turning 28 years old this year. He has had 2448 total touches and is still the number 1 RB in dynasty. Yet Portis at the age of 26 with 1543 touches ( a thousand fewer than Tomlinson) is an injury concern that many people will be avoiding ? Portis had missed a grand total of 4 games in the previous 4 years of his playing career before last season. He is known as a tough player. I think people are a little bit skewed by what took place last year. If Portis had missed plenty of time in his career or if he again has an injury riddled season this year I would then agree that next year he should slip down draft boards (which I don't think will happen as he will perform this year). If he slips this year you are missing out on a great RB. He will make many owners happy this year as he will produce RB 1 numbers and can be had in many drafts as an RB 2.

He has injury problems from last year and a backup RB who played awesome, is said to be better in the Redskins offense because he hits the holes harder, and was paid a nice contract. I think Betts getting carries to keep Portis fresh is more of the concern than the injury, but both combined is what is making him drop.I don't think you can discount Betts.

$2 mill a year is backup money. His injury problems were a shoulder and broken hand (wrist?), not exactly long term issues for a RB. If it were knees/ankles then I'd consider injuries more of a potential issue.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Tomlinson is turning 28 years old this year. He has had 2448 total touches and is still the number 1 RB in dynasty. Yet Portis at the age of 26 with 1543 touches ( a thousand fewer than Tomlinson) is an injury concern that many people will be avoiding ? Portis had missed a grand total of 4 games in the previous 4 years of his playing career before last season. He is known as a tough player. I think people are a little bit skewed by what took place last year. If Portis had missed plenty of time in his career or if he again has an injury riddled season this year I would then agree that next year he should slip down draft boards (which I don't think will happen as he will perform this year). If he slips this year you are missing out on a great RB. He will make many owners happy this year as he will produce RB 1 numbers and can be had in many drafts as an RB 2.

Portis will be 2 drives on, Betts then will go in for a series, 2 more for Portis, 1 for Betts...and people will be complaining up and down these boards.Why is LT even in the mix of talking points here?Has Portis come close to his avg in Washington that he did in Denver...this isn't 2002 or 2003, it's 2007 and he is stuck in Washington, time to start drafting in reality.

 

[Block]

Portis will be playing with Jason Campbell for the first time this season. One of the main reasons why Betts was so productive late last year was that the Redskins leaned on the run with Campbell in there. That will happen again this year, but Portis will be the guy getting the carries.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Tomlinson is turning 28 years old this year. He has had 2448 total touches and is still the number 1 RB in dynasty.

Yet Portis at the age of 26 with 1543 touches ( a thousand fewer than Tomlinson) is an injury concern that many people will be avoiding ?

Portis had missed a grand total of 4 games in the previous 4 years of his playing career before last season. He is known as a tough player. I think people are a little bit skewed by what took place last year. If Portis had missed plenty of time in his career or if he again has an injury riddled season this year I would then agree that next year he should slip down draft boards (which I don't think will happen as he will perform this year).

If he slips this year you are missing out on a great RB. He will make many owners happy this year as he will produce RB 1 numbers and can be had in many drafts as an RB 2.

He has injury problems from last year and a backup RB who played awesome, is said to be better in the Redskins offense because he hits the holes harder, and was paid a nice contract. I think Betts getting carries to keep Portis fresh is more of the concern than the injury, but both combined is what is making him drop.I don't think you can discount Betts.

$2 mill a year is backup money. His injury problems were a shoulder and broken hand (wrist?), not exactly long term issues for a RB. If it were knees/ankles then I'd consider injuries more of a potential issue.

Given his expanded duties and rising comfort level with the team, Betts, 27, opted to take Washington's five-year contract extension offer. Sources said it included a $3.5 million signing bonus and $5.5 million in guaranteed money, $100,000 workout bonuses and could be worth up to $11 million in total. It was a sizeable commitment to someone who has been a role player before this season, and an apparent indication that Betts will continue to play a major role in the offense.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6120800804.html

 

[Block]

Betts himself has said he expects to be the backup this season.

 

[RenegadeGM]

Director of sports medicine Bubba Tyer

Pointless sidetrack: wasn't that some seriously fatty OL, I think that played for the Rams? Not sure I'd want him as Director of sports medicine.

Nope, at least not to my knowledge. Tyer was first hired as the trainer by George Allen back in 1972 IIRC, and has been the trainer for the 'Skins ever since, except for a brief hiatus when Schottenheimer dismissed him; Gibbs brought him back a few years later when he returned to coaching.

I believe he's thinking of Bubba Paris, former OL.

 

[msommer]

Based on his dog fighting comments it is not only his knee that is slowing Portis...

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

During the first half of last year, Saunders often said he was trying to get an idea of which running plays Portis preferred.

"I think I have a better feel for Clinton now," he said. "I know watching him run up and down the field with Denver was a scary thing. If he would have had the same opportunities as Ladell, Clinton would have ended up in the Pro Bowl."

By the time the Redskins' running game picked up steam, Portis was on injured reserve and Betts was the beneficiary.

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20070225-0...4261r_page2.htm

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

During the first half of last year, Saunders often said he was trying to get an idea of which running plays Portis preferred.

"I think I have a better feel for Clinton now," he said. "I know watching him run up and down the field with Denver was a scary thing. If he would have had the same opportunities as Ladell, Clinton would have ended up in the Pro Bowl."

By the time the Redskins' running game picked up steam, Portis was on injured reserve and Betts was the beneficiary.

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20070225-0...4261r_page2.htm

I couldn't agree more. This Betts love has become ridiculous with some people. Betts is better suited to play in the Saunders offense.... that is pure comedy. Betts is a good player but Portis is a great player. The part I have bolded is what people need to take into consideration. Saunders offense picked up steam as the season went on. Betts, will be a RB 4 insurance player for Portis this season. Hopefully you have fantasy players that have fallen off the Portis bandwagon and you can get him in round 2.

 

[Routilla]

During the first half of last year, Saunders often said he was trying to get an idea of which running plays Portis preferred.

"I think I have a better feel for Clinton now," he said. "I know watching him run up and down the field with Denver was a scary thing. If he would have had the same opportunities as Ladell, Clinton would have ended up in the Pro Bowl."

By the time the Redskins' running game picked up steam, Portis was on injured reserve and Betts was the beneficiary.

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20070225-0...4261r_page2.htm

I couldn't agree more. This Betts love has become ridiculous with some people. Betts is better suited to play in the Saunders offense.... that is pure comedy. Betts is a good player but Portis is a great player. The part I have bolded is what people need to take into consideration. Saunders offense picked up steam as the season went on. Betts, will be a RB 4 insurance player for Portis this season. Hopefully you have fantasy players that have fallen off the Portis bandwagon and you can get him in round 2.

I'd rather have Betts as a #5/#6 RB. There are many other RBs that can be had where Portis would be drafted and beyond who have more upside.

 

[Sweetness_34]

For anyone trying to understand Portis' value, I just made the following trade in a Dynasty/1 PPR League:

I gave up Reggie Bush, Willis McGahee, Kellen Winslow II, 1.05 rookie draft pick, 2.10 rookie draft pick

I got back Tomlinson, Portis, Betts, Des Clark (TE/Bears), 1.10 rookie draft pick

I am thrilled since I now have the following roster:

Palmer Qb

LT2 Rb

Portis Rb

Marvin Harrison

Darrell Jackson

Tony Gonzalez

David Akers/Matt Stover

Panthers

 

[Banger]

For anyone trying to understand Portis' value, I just made the following trade in a Dynasty/1 PPR League:I gave up Reggie Bush, Willis McGahee, Kellen Winslow II, 1.05 rookie draft pick, 2.10 rookie draft pickI got back Tomlinson, Portis, Betts, Des Clark (TE/Bears), 1.10 rookie draft pickI am thrilled since I now have the following rosteralmer QbLT2 RbPortis RbMarvin HarrisonDarrell JacksonTony GonzalezDavid Akers/Matt StoverPanthers

Where the "Championship!" icon?

 

[gman8343]

For anyone trying to understand Portis' value, I just made the following trade in a Dynasty/1 PPR League:I gave up Reggie Bush, Willis McGahee, Kellen Winslow II, 1.05 rookie draft pick, 2.10 rookie draft pickI got back Tomlinson, Portis, Betts, Des Clark (TE/Bears), 1.10 rookie draft pickI am thrilled since I now have the following rosteralmer QbLT2 RbPortis RbMarvin HarrisonDarrell JacksonTony GonzalezDavid Akers/Matt StoverPanthers

Pretty even trade IMO. In ppr Bush is gonna be gold, and Winslow is a huge upgrade over Clark. Technically, you got the better deal, but this could work out nicely for both teams.

 

[redman]

For anyone trying to understand Portis' value, I just made the following trade in a Dynasty/1 PPR League:I gave up Reggie Bush, Willis McGahee, Kellen Winslow II, 1.05 rookie draft pick, 2.10 rookie draft pickI got back Tomlinson, Portis, Betts, Des Clark (TE/Bears), 1.10 rookie draft pickI am thrilled since I now have the following rosteralmer QbLT2 RbPortis RbMarvin HarrisonDarrell JacksonTony GonzalezDavid Akers/Matt StoverPanthers

Your trading partner, you know, the "special" kid, is an idiot. :11:

 

[Routilla]

For anyone trying to understand Portis' value, I just made the following trade in a Dynasty/1 PPR League:I gave up Reggie Bush, Willis McGahee, Kellen Winslow II, 1.05 rookie draft pick, 2.10 rookie draft pickI got back Tomlinson, Portis, Betts, Des Clark (TE/Bears), 1.10 rookie draft pickI am thrilled since I now have the following rosteralmer QbLT2 RbPortis RbMarvin HarrisonDarrell JacksonTony GonzalezDavid Akers/Matt StoverPanthers

Your trading partner, you know, the "special" kid, is an idiot. :11:

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

For anyone trying to understand Portis' value, I just made the following trade in a Dynasty/1 PPR League:I gave up Reggie Bush, Willis McGahee, Kellen Winslow II, 1.05 rookie draft pick, 2.10 rookie draft pickI got back Tomlinson, Portis, Betts, Des Clark (TE/Bears), 1.10 rookie draft pickI am thrilled since I now have the following rosteralmer QbLT2 RbPortis RbMarvin HarrisonDarrell JacksonTony GonzalezDavid Akers/Matt StoverPanthers

Your trading partner, you know, the "special" kid, is an idiot. :11:

No kidding... Look at the meat of this trade - LT2 - Portis - & Betts for McGahee, Bush and Winslow - Who in their right mind would pull something like this ? Draft picks aside ( I dont care much about 1.5 this year) this looks vastly lopsided to me.

 

[NCJetsFan]

There is no doubt this thread smells of Ports/Betts owners. No doubt.

I love these forums but they definitely can cloud people's minds.

Portis is a special player, you all know that. If you think he is declining physically because of some misc injuries or the number of carries he has had thus far, well, I do not know what to think. I think someone said it but if I dont see the word torn, broke, blown up etc. that player is good-to-go. The shoulder injury would scare me more than any "itus" because he Portis is not afraid to lay one on ya. But lets face it, 2nd round is pure pure value for Portis.

Plain and simple Betts earned himself an "almost" RBBC role last year. He is proof, once again, that Al Saunders can make magical things happen for a RB highjack: KC RB's are products?). He also belongs in there on passing downs and I do not see any reason why that would not happen. How many times have we read it - teams are moving towards RBBC. Based on what they have seen, the skins have seen enough to know that they do not have to pound Portis to make this thing work. There is absolutely no reason to give him the ball 340+ times like they did back in 04/05.

Betts real value is for the Portis owner but he is also the best backup with the most upside (sorry Burner). I say you are looking at a slight RBBC here with Betts being a solid #3 RB in PPR leagues and he gets a huge ceiling.

I absolutely do not see Portis getting the the amount of touches he recieved when he 1st arrived but he does not need that many to be successful. Completely worthy of the 2nd round and any risk that comes with it.

 

[Assani Fisher]

For anyone trying to understand Portis' value, I just made the following trade in a Dynasty/1 PPR League:I gave up Reggie Bush, Willis McGahee, Kellen Winslow II, 1.05 rookie draft pick, 2.10 rookie draft pickI got back Tomlinson, Portis, Betts, Des Clark (TE/Bears), 1.10 rookie draft pickI am thrilled since I now have the following rosteralmer QbLT2 RbPortis RbMarvin HarrisonDarrell JacksonTony GonzalezDavid Akers/Matt StoverPanthers

Your trading partner, you know, the "special" kid, is an idiot. :11:

No kidding... Look at the meat of this trade - LT2 - Portis - & Betts for McGahee, Bush and Winslow - Who in their right mind would pull something like this ? Draft picks aside ( I dont care much about 1.5 this year) this looks vastly lopsided to me.

I'm not so sure about this. While LT2 and Portis are better right now, they're both older also(and in Portis' case injuries are a concern).LT2 and RB have similar dynasty PPR valuePortis and McGahee have similar dynasty PPR valueWinslow > Betts

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

For anyone trying to understand Portis' value, I just made the following trade in a Dynasty/1 PPR League:I gave up Reggie Bush, Willis McGahee, Kellen Winslow II, 1.05 rookie draft pick, 2.10 rookie draft pickI got back Tomlinson, Portis, Betts, Des Clark (TE/Bears), 1.10 rookie draft pickI am thrilled since I now have the following rosteralmer QbLT2 RbPortis RbMarvin HarrisonDarrell JacksonTony GonzalezDavid Akers/Matt StoverPanthers

Your trading partner, you know, the "special" kid, is an idiot. :11:

No kidding... Look at the meat of this trade - LT2 - Portis - & Betts for McGahee, Bush and Winslow - Who in their right mind would pull something like this ? Draft picks aside ( I dont care much about 1.5 this year) this looks vastly lopsided to me.

I'm not so sure about this. While LT2 and Portis are better right now, they're both older also(and in Portis' case injuries are a concern).LT2 and RB have similar dynasty PPR valuePortis and McGahee have similar dynasty PPR valueWinslow > Betts

LT2 = Bush or similar ?? Not in any of my leagues (dynasty or other wise)

 

[turkishkamel]

For anyone trying to understand Portis' value, I just made the following trade in a Dynasty/1 PPR League:I gave up Reggie Bush, Willis McGahee, Kellen Winslow II, 1.05 rookie draft pick, 2.10 rookie draft pickI got back Tomlinson, Portis, Betts, Des Clark (TE/Bears), 1.10 rookie draft pickI am thrilled since I now have the following rosteralmer QbLT2 RbPortis RbMarvin HarrisonDarrell JacksonTony GonzalezDavid Akers/Matt StoverPanthers

Your trading partner, you know, the "special" kid, is an idiot. :11:

No kidding... Look at the meat of this trade - LT2 - Portis - & Betts for McGahee, Bush and Winslow - Who in their right mind would pull something like this ? Draft picks aside ( I dont care much about 1.5 this year) this looks vastly lopsided to me.

I'm not so sure about this. While LT2 and Portis are better right now, they're both older also(and in Portis' case injuries are a concern).LT2 and RB have similar dynasty PPR valuePortis and McGahee have similar dynasty PPR valueWinslow > Betts

LT2 = Bush or similar ?? Not in any of my leagues (dynasty or other wise)

Bush= year 2LT2=2400+ touchesi own neither. i'd take bush in a dynasty.

 

[Dhizz]

For anyone trying to understand Portis' value, I just made the following trade in a Dynasty/1 PPR League:I gave up Reggie Bush, Willis McGahee, Kellen Winslow II, 1.05 rookie draft pick, 2.10 rookie draft pickI got back Tomlinson, Portis, Betts, Des Clark (TE/Bears), 1.10 rookie draft pickI am thrilled since I now have the following rosteralmer QbLT2 RbPortis RbMarvin HarrisonDarrell JacksonTony GonzalezDavid Akers/Matt StoverPanthers

Your trading partner, you know, the "special" kid, is an idiot. :11:

No kidding... Look at the meat of this trade - LT2 - Portis - & Betts for McGahee, Bush and Winslow - Who in their right mind would pull something like this ? Draft picks aside ( I dont care much about 1.5 this year) this looks vastly lopsided to me.

I'm not so sure about this. While LT2 and Portis are better right now, they're both older also(and in Portis' case injuries are a concern).LT2 and RB have similar dynasty PPR valuePortis and McGahee have similar dynasty PPR valueWinslow > Betts

LT2 = Bush or similar ?? Not in any of my leagues (dynasty or other wise)

Bush= year 2LT2=2400+ touchesi own neither. i'd take bush in a dynasty.

So wait.New dynasty league, 1.01, you're taking Reggie Bush?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

For anyone trying to understand Portis' value, I just made the following trade in a Dynasty/1 PPR League:I gave up Reggie Bush, Willis McGahee, Kellen Winslow II, 1.05 rookie draft pick, 2.10 rookie draft pickI got back Tomlinson, Portis, Betts, Des Clark (TE/Bears), 1.10 rookie draft pickI am thrilled since I now have the following rosteralmer QbLT2 RbPortis RbMarvin HarrisonDarrell JacksonTony GonzalezDavid Akers/Matt StoverPanthers

Your trading partner, you know, the "special" kid, is an idiot. :11:

No kidding... Look at the meat of this trade - LT2 - Portis - & Betts for McGahee, Bush and Winslow - Who in their right mind would pull something like this ? Draft picks aside ( I dont care much about 1.5 this year) this looks vastly lopsided to me.

I'm not so sure about this. While LT2 and Portis are better right now, they're both older also(and in Portis' case injuries are a concern).LT2 and RB have similar dynasty PPR valuePortis and McGahee have similar dynasty PPR valueWinslow > Betts

LT2 = Bush or similar ?? Not in any of my leagues (dynasty or other wise)

Bush= year 2LT2=2400+ touchesi own neither. i'd take bush in a dynasty.

So wait.New dynasty league, 1.01, you're taking Reggie Bush?

Get me in his league !

 

[KellysHeroes]

14 team redraft last night.. Portis was taken @ 1.11; no change in value from about a month ago

 

[burd]

Some players seem to go from one injury to another. Sometimes it's bad luck, sometimes technique or playing style. With these players, even when they're playing, their bodies are rarely at 100%. Maybe their body is struggling w/ dealing w/ the demands of playing in the NFL.

It's not fair to say whether one player is a risk versus another because some players (Magahee) come back from the worst injuries, while others are hampered for years. With regards to Portis, i am concerned more with how these injuries and the pains linger, because that may be a sign that his body is struggling to deal w/ the punishing demands of playing in the NFL. If that's the case, then it's a matter of time before he suffers from another injury, i.e. Turf-toe, high ankle sprain, etc.