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Ramblin Wreck
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The cold has no effect. Neither does snow a lot of times. It is the wind that can hurt a passing game.
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It has an affect on WRs catching the ball but TEs seem to do fine in it, if not better. Main point is probably how teams play. Alot of teams go into smashmouth mode(regardless if its a good gameplan) when it's below zero. That in and of itself skews passing numbers greatly.
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"Cold" is a relative term. If Buffalo players and Miami players went to Philly on the same December day, one would say it's cold the other would say it's warm(er).
Another point about the cold is lack of experience in it. Go look at Warner's game log at PFR and go back a few years. If you just go by Miami isn't cold in Dec but Buffalo is (assumptions) it doesn't seem like he's played too many cold weather games. Even with the NYG, Eli finished out the year.
It has an affect on WRs catching the ball but TEs seem to do fine in it, if not better. Main point is probably how teams play. Alot of teams go into smashmouth mode(regardless if its a good gameplan) when it's below zero. That in and of itself skews passing numbers greatly.
(OPINION)
"Cold" is a relative term. If Buffalo players and Miami players went to Philly on the same December day, one would say it's cold the other would say it's warm(er).
Another point about the cold is lack of experience in it. Go look at Warner's game log at PFR and go back a few years. If you just go by Miami isn't cold in Dec but Buffalo is (assumptions) it doesn't seem like he's played too many cold weather games. Even with the NYG, Eli finished out the year.
In a cold climate, just throwing passes in your front lawn in august and december, you can tell the football is different-harder in December.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Kurt Warner looks like a wet cat in cold weather.
Just sayin'.
Haven't checked the numbers, but he has a mental block with cold weather and wind. The whole gloves / no gloves thing has messed with his mindset for years.
Just sayin'.
Haven't checked the numbers, but he has a mental block with cold weather and wind. The whole gloves / no gloves thing has messed with his mindset for years.
the spanker
Footballguy
Then he will go out and throw 4 TDs against that injury riddled non-pass rush NE D. If the NE D can't generate a pass rush I doubt Kurt will implode due to cold weather...come on now, NE D has given up what? 26 TDs in 14 games?? They are terrible. Even the Raiders put up points on them.Show me some numbers first OK?
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Don't believe me? Fine. You can do your own homework on this one.the spanker
Footballguy
You made the assertion on here not me. I just asked for evidence. Anyone can make an assertion and try to state it as a factDon't believe me? Fine. You can do your own homework on this one.
You must have some past performance in mind to state this - be nice of you to come up with a few examples instead of just throwing out the common "wisdom".Just sayin'...
duece2626
Footballguy
the spanker
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undercover
Footballguy
Warner hass carried my team all year and now I'm scared to death to trust him in the SB...... 
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Sometimes people are allowed to state what they've seen over time rather than provide links to justify everything.This isn't just a simple Google search to find every start Warner's ever had in cold weather. Pulling together all those links would take time, something I frankly don't have much of today.Either you believe me or you don't. That's up to you.I'd like to think that others have seen him struggle outdoors / in weather besides just me. The issue of him wearing gloves all the time has come up several times throughout his career, and it's a mental thing more than anything (but he believes it gives him a better feel / grip of the ball, contrary to what many other QBs believe).For one example - look at the game Thanksgiving Night in Philly. 40 degrees with a slight windchill below 40. Three interceptions (all early) which set the tone for the night in a blowout.I'm sure that there are good examples with him on the road as a Ram as well as they were known to be a "climate controlled" team.All that said, in good weather against NE I'd start Warner over almost anyone (except Brees) - but that's in ideal conditions. That's not what we'll see Sunday.
He threw 3 TD's that game though...
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
One more thing on Warner - and this is from memory, so bear with me.
After AZ played in WASH they were to face the Jets. Rather than travel back to Arizona, they stayed out in the DC area and practiced in the rain as storms were expected for the Jets game.
Wait - found it.
LINK
The weather, IIRC, wasn't a HUGE factor against the Jets but Warner had 3 INTs and 3 fumbles that game - by far his worst ball control of the season. The numbers don't reflect it since he threw a ton that game, but the weather did impact him in several ways and many pre-game coverages were keying on his gloves and practicing in the rain.
I also just found that he's never played in snow. Not sure if that's right or not, but here:
SFGate.com
The Gate's usually pretty reliable.
Anyway, good luck if you start him. I think that there's cause for concern.
After AZ played in WASH they were to face the Jets. Rather than travel back to Arizona, they stayed out in the DC area and practiced in the rain as storms were expected for the Jets game.
Wait - found it.
LINK
The weather, IIRC, wasn't a HUGE factor against the Jets but Warner had 3 INTs and 3 fumbles that game - by far his worst ball control of the season. The numbers don't reflect it since he threw a ton that game, but the weather did impact him in several ways and many pre-game coverages were keying on his gloves and practicing in the rain.
I also just found that he's never played in snow. Not sure if that's right or not, but here:
SFGate.com
The Gate's usually pretty reliable.
Anyway, good luck if you start him. I think that there's cause for concern.
undercover
Footballguy
Jeff - thanks for the dialogue....my only other option is Trent Edwards with the late game....risks there too.....it looks like Edwards will start but I can envision Edwards tweeking his groin injury and be done in the 1st half....your thoughts? 
identikit
Footballguy
In the 2 weather games you cited, Warner was still very, very solid (in spite of his 'issues' with the weather).
The bottom-line numbers are what matters ultimately, not the weather impact that you say isn't reflected in them.
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
This is getting pretty silly.I said he had issues in cold weather. I was asked for evidence and I found some.
Of course he's put up great numbers this year - never said he didn't. I'm just saying that he has more issues in cold weather so there's some cause for concern.
If you don't have a viable alternative, start him. If you do, think about it.
Lord Lucan
Footballguy
Jeff Pasquino is broadly correct, though it has to be stated that Warner has actually played very few cold-weather games in his NFL career. A combination of lots of dome games and homefield advantage in the play-offs has seen to that.
The only ones played at under 40 degrees I have been able to find are:
2000 v Carolina,
18-36 189 yards, 0TD 4 ints
2002 v Philadelphia,
20-42, 218 yards, 0TD 2 ints, sacked 8 times
2007 v Seattle
28-46, 337 yards, 3 TD, 5 ints, sacked 5 times
(the Eagles game on Thanksgiving this year just missed out but was 41 degrees, as mentioned earlier Warner threw 3 picks but also 3 TDs).
The only ones played at under 40 degrees I have been able to find are:
2000 v Carolina,
18-36 189 yards, 0TD 4 ints
2002 v Philadelphia,
20-42, 218 yards, 0TD 2 ints, sacked 8 times
2007 v Seattle
28-46, 337 yards, 3 TD, 5 ints, sacked 5 times
(the Eagles game on Thanksgiving this year just missed out but was 41 degrees, as mentioned earlier Warner threw 3 picks but also 3 TDs).
Well I went back and looked at all his December games - suprisingly he only played one December game in the northeast - Philly in 2002 - weather was 32 degrees and 19 mph winds - he had a bad game - 2 INTS and 0 TD's - but that was a lost season for him anyway.
Another cause for concern for me is that he's thrown 1 TD in 4 of his last 5 games.
I watched last week's game against the Vikes - they offense looked bad - granted the Vikes knew he was throwing on every down.
Another cause for concern for me is that he's thrown 1 TD in 4 of his last 5 games.
I watched last week's game against the Vikes - they offense looked bad - granted the Vikes knew he was throwing on every down.
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the spanker
Footballguy
My other option is Thigpen. Rosters are locked. My opponent has Cassel. I'm not sure if I'm ready to pull the plug on Warner. NE D is just out right terrible. Cold itself is not a factor and without Boldin (should he not play) Warner still can put up big numbers.
Winds are the biggest factor for me not temperature. Right now the KC game looks like the same conditions as the Cards game.
Winds are the biggest factor for me not temperature. Right now the KC game looks like the same conditions as the Cards game.
the spanker
Footballguy
At the same time he's going up against a Patriots defense that has surrendered at least two TD tosses in five straight games, including 5 TDs combined to the likes of JaMarcus Russell and Seneca Wallace!I will monitor weather conditions closely. If it looks decent and not horrible, Kurt gets the start no matter what.
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
for the heavy lifting with the stats / history data. 
I knew that I wasn't imagining it - but I am surprised how few data points there are given his long(ish) career.
the spanker
Footballguy
You NEVER sit out Steve Smith...never, never, never EVER! I don't care if what the forcast for Delhomme's stats are.
There is a HUGE difference between playing in cold weather...i.e 10, 20 degrees etc.And playing in snow/wind/rain. Warner has trouble with his grip on the ball...the cold makes this worse...snow+rain would make it even more so.Thats also not taking into consideration what those elements do to hinder the actual throwing of the ball.Add in the fact that Warner's #1 go to guy Boldin won't play and Wiz is not going to risk any injury to Warner.If the conditions are really bad and Warner is getting lit up...I think Leinert is playing by half time. In fact I wouldnt be surprised if Wiz has been planning all along to pull Warner at some point. The #1 priority is having all your studs healthy for week 18.this game is meaningless.the spanker said:
Muahahaha
Footballguy
I wrote this in another thread about today's weather:
Well, the long anticipated bad weather for today on the East Coast looks to have materialized. Here in Northern Jersey (about 10 miles west of Giants Stadium) at 7:00am EST, we currently have a mix of freezing rain and snow coming down. Looks like it is most likely going to be hanging with us all day.
There are a number of people saying the weather won't matter. Well, there was similar weather last year on Week 15, particularly at Foxboro, MA. Brady went 14/27 for 140 and threw 0 TDs and 1 Int.
Here is a link to the Gamecenter for that game:
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2940...&week=REG15
And here is a link to a story on ESPN describing the conditions as a combination of sleet, freezing rain and snow. The exact same conditions we are experiencing today:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=271216017
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Facing rain, wind and chilly gusts above 20 mph, New England relied on Laurence Maroney's rushing instead of Tom Brady's passing and beat the New York Jets 20-10 Sunday in the Spygate rematch to clinch home-field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs.
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"When you have elements like this you want to play great defense and run the ball," Brady said.
I owed last years championship largely to having played the Brady owner in the Week 15 semis. He was a juggernaut until then. He didn't have the guts to bench Brady in bad weather.
Start your QBs and WRs playing in this weather with reservations.
I have Warner in a championship game and am benching him for Orlovsky in a dome.
Well, the long anticipated bad weather for today on the East Coast looks to have materialized. Here in Northern Jersey (about 10 miles west of Giants Stadium) at 7:00am EST, we currently have a mix of freezing rain and snow coming down. Looks like it is most likely going to be hanging with us all day.
There are a number of people saying the weather won't matter. Well, there was similar weather last year on Week 15, particularly at Foxboro, MA. Brady went 14/27 for 140 and threw 0 TDs and 1 Int.
Here is a link to the Gamecenter for that game:
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=2940...&week=REG15
And here is a link to a story on ESPN describing the conditions as a combination of sleet, freezing rain and snow. The exact same conditions we are experiencing today:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=271216017
QUOTE
Facing rain, wind and chilly gusts above 20 mph, New England relied on Laurence Maroney's rushing instead of Tom Brady's passing and beat the New York Jets 20-10 Sunday in the Spygate rematch to clinch home-field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs.
QUOTE
"When you have elements like this you want to play great defense and run the ball," Brady said.
I owed last years championship largely to having played the Brady owner in the Week 15 semis. He was a juggernaut until then. He didn't have the guts to bench Brady in bad weather.
Start your QBs and WRs playing in this weather with reservations.
I have Warner in a championship game and am benching him for Orlovsky in a dome.
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