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Colin Kaepernick is Overrated in FF (1 Viewer)

Bob Magaw said:
althepostman said:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/kaepernicks-touch-throws-have-vastly-improved

If this is accurate, good luck to the rest of the league.....
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what stood out for once he was inserted for smith, he was a little tentative for a few games, but something quicly became clear to me... everybody knew he was better runner than smith, but once he became more comfortable, i realized he was a better passer, too, and not just stronger arm... i thought he had better accuracy on intermediate and deep passes, had a quicker release, and made better decisions...

when you couple his arm, his legs, brain, work ethic, relative youth, ability to get better with still less than even one season of starts entering his third year... his upside might be as high as any QB in the league, including luck, RGIII, wilson, stafford...

article excerpt, thought this part was cool...

"After all, Kaepernick is the guy who showed up to throw the first pitch at a Giants game this summer and uncorked an 87 mph pitch from the mound after only a couple warmup tosses."

some information i hadn't heard before was in the comments below...

"I wonder if Colin Kaepernick still stays in touch and gets consultation from his old QB Guru Roger Theder. Theder had coached Kaepernick since High School. He also coached Josh Johnson since H.S., Johnson is now on Cincinnati as the #2 QB and pushing to take Andy Daltons job, Johnson played for Harbaugh at San Diego. It was Theder who in 2012 when the 49ers had brought in Johnson to compete with Smith and Kaepernick for QB ,commented that Kaepernick was the better QB of the 3 and would beat them both for the starting job. Although Theder had mentored both Kaepernick and Johnson ( Both of whom had fantastic collegiate careers ) he said both were better than Smith, but Kaepernick was better than Johnson and it was his better work ethic that set him ahead of Johnson."

another interesting comment, not sure i agree with everything, but an interesting perspective...

"I love how people who know nothing about Kaep think that so long as they stop him running they can somehow beat us. Kaep is a dangerous passer, perhaps the most dangerous in the NFL outside of Aaron Rodgers. The guy has the most accurate deep throws I've ever seen of any QB that's ever played for the 49ers. He can throw a 40+ yard out route on a dime (see the pass he made to Kyle Williams in the Bears game last year).

If you add touch passes and better decision making to what he already has, he could be vying for the MVP this year."
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Those comments are ridiculous.

 
drummer said:
Bob Magaw said:
althepostman said:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/kaepernicks-touch-throws-have-vastly-improved

If this is accurate, good luck to the rest of the league.....
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what stood out for once he was inserted for smith, he was a little tentative for a few games, but something quicly became clear to me... everybody knew he was better runner than smith, but once he became more comfortable, i realized he was a better passer, too, and not just stronger arm... i thought he had better accuracy on intermediate and deep passes, had a quicker release, and made better decisions...

when you couple his arm, his legs, brain, work ethic, relative youth, ability to get better with still less than even one season of starts entering his third year... his upside might be as high as any QB in the league, including luck, RGIII, wilson, stafford...

article excerpt, thought this part was cool...

"After all, Kaepernick is the guy who showed up to throw the first pitch at a Giants game this summer and uncorked an 87 mph pitch from the mound after only a couple warmup tosses."

some information i hadn't heard before was in the comments below...

"I wonder if Colin Kaepernick still stays in touch and gets consultation from his old QB Guru Roger Theder. Theder had coached Kaepernick since High School. He also coached Josh Johnson since H.S., Johnson is now on Cincinnati as the #2 QB and pushing to take Andy Daltons job, Johnson played for Harbaugh at San Diego. It was Theder who in 2012 when the 49ers had brought in Johnson to compete with Smith and Kaepernick for QB ,commented that Kaepernick was the better QB of the 3 and would beat them both for the starting job. Although Theder had mentored both Kaepernick and Johnson ( Both of whom had fantastic collegiate careers ) he said both were better than Smith, but Kaepernick was better than Johnson and it was his better work ethic that set him ahead of Johnson."

another interesting comment, not sure i agree with everything, but an interesting perspective...

"I love how people who know nothing about Kaep think that so long as they stop him running they can somehow beat us. Kaep is a dangerous passer, perhaps the most dangerous in the NFL outside of Aaron Rodgers. The guy has the most accurate deep throws I've ever seen of any QB that's ever played for the 49ers. He can throw a 40+ yard out route on a dime (see the pass he made to Kyle Williams in the Bears game last year).

If you add touch passes and better decision making to what he already has, he could be vying for the MVP this year."
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Those comments are ridiculous.
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not to derail, but is this a real thing? this seems like completely baseless conjecture.

 
Wise Old Owl said:
drummer said:
Bob Magaw said:
althepostman said:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/kaepernicks-touch-throws-have-vastly-improved

If this is accurate, good luck to the rest of the league.....
Click to expand...
what stood out for once he was inserted for smith, he was a little tentative for a few games, but something quicly became clear to me... everybody knew he was better runner than smith, but once he became more comfortable, i realized he was a better passer, too, and not just stronger arm... i thought he had better accuracy on intermediate and deep passes, had a quicker release, and made better decisions...

when you couple his arm, his legs, brain, work ethic, relative youth, ability to get better with still less than even one season of starts entering his third year... his upside might be as high as any QB in the league, including luck, RGIII, wilson, stafford...

article excerpt, thought this part was cool...

"After all, Kaepernick is the guy who showed up to throw the first pitch at a Giants game this summer and uncorked an 87 mph pitch from the mound after only a couple warmup tosses."

some information i hadn't heard before was in the comments below...

"I wonder if Colin Kaepernick still stays in touch and gets consultation from his old QB Guru Roger Theder. Theder had coached Kaepernick since High School. He also coached Josh Johnson since H.S., Johnson is now on Cincinnati as the #2 QB and pushing to take Andy Daltons job, Johnson played for Harbaugh at San Diego. It was Theder who in 2012 when the 49ers had brought in Johnson to compete with Smith and Kaepernick for QB ,commented that Kaepernick was the better QB of the 3 and would beat them both for the starting job. Although Theder had mentored both Kaepernick and Johnson ( Both of whom had fantastic collegiate careers ) he said both were better than Smith, but Kaepernick was better than Johnson and it was his better work ethic that set him ahead of Johnson."

another interesting comment, not sure i agree with everything, but an interesting perspective...

"I love how people who know nothing about Kaep think that so long as they stop him running they can somehow beat us. Kaep is a dangerous passer, perhaps the most dangerous in the NFL outside of Aaron Rodgers. The guy has the most accurate deep throws I've ever seen of any QB that's ever played for the 49ers. He can throw a 40+ yard out route on a dime (see the pass he made to Kyle Williams in the Bears game last year).

If you add touch passes and better decision making to what he already has, he could be vying for the MVP this year."
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Those comments are ridiculous.
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not to derail, but is this a real thing? this seems like completely baseless conjecture.
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It's just a fan drinking way too much Kool-Aid. Johnson couldn't make last years 49er QB squad with Tolzien as the #3. Theder isn't on the coaching staff, and it's Greg Roman and Geep Chryst who are working with Kaep.

The rest of the comments are just more Kool-Aid Beat Blog horse dung. I think Andrew Luck has a better shot at NFL MVP than Kaep based on last season. Putting him in the same sentence as Rodgers with the small sample size is also whack.

Kaep throwing a 87 MPH fast ball: he was also a baseball prospect as a pitcher, who was drafted by the Cubs. He chose football over baseball.

Don't mean to knock Magaw here. Comments off of 49er blogs aren't a great source of info and analysis.

 
Jaworski on SportsCenter just now: "Kaepernick can be the best quarterback in the HISTORY of the NFL."

:mellow:

Look, I'm as excited about this kid's potential as anyone, but gimme a break.

 
Colin Kaepernick was brilliant last season after taking over for Alex Smith, as he finished off the 49ers’ run to an NFC West title and led them within a few yards of a Super Bowl title.It was impressive. It was surprising. It was enough, apparently, to convince ESPN’s Ron Jaworski that we may be witnessing all-time greatness at work.

“I truly believe Colin Kaepernick could be one of the greatest quarterbacks ever,” Jaworski said Wednesday on ESPN. “I love his skill set. I think the sky’s the limit.”

Jaworski has never backed down from heaping high praise on certain NFL quarterbacks, but that’s a pretty eye-popping statement. Kaepernick’s emergence was one of the big storylines of the 2012 season, with him completing 62 percent of his passes and really changing how the 49ers played offense. With Kaepernick at the helm, San Francisco moved to an attack that took full advantage of his running abilities via things like the read-option.

Kaepernick also has just seven regular-season starts (and three in the postseason) under his belt — Alex Smith was the 49ers’ starter prior to suffering a concussion a little more than midway through last season. The bar is exceptionally high in San Francisco, too, thanks to quarterbacking legends such as Joe Montana and Steve Young.

The 25-year-old Kaepernick may have only started scratching the surface last season. Given a full offseason and preseason to work as the No. 1 QB, he might thrust himself into the mix as a Pro Bowler or All-Pro candidate in 2013.

Of course, you could argue that he’s not even the best quarterback in his division — Russell Wilson at least has a claim there. And the NFC features QBs like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Eli Manning and Robert Griffin III, a small sampling of the talent at the game’s most important position.

Jaworski believes Kaepernick can be better than all of those guys, and maybe better than any QB who has come before them.
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Raider Nation said:
Colin Kaepernick was brilliant last season after taking over for Alex Smith, as he finished off the 49ers’ run to an NFC West title and led them within a few yards of a Super Bowl title.It was impressive. It was surprising. It was enough, apparently, to convince ESPN’s Ron Jaworski that we may be witnessing all-time greatness at work.

“I truly believe Colin Kaepernick could be one of the greatest quarterbacks ever,” Jaworski said Wednesday on ESPN. “I love his skill set. I think the sky’s the limit.”

Jaworski has never backed down from heaping high praise on certain NFL quarterbacks, but that’s a pretty eye-popping statement. Kaepernick’s emergence was one of the big storylines of the 2012 season, with him completing 62 percent of his passes and really changing how the 49ers played offense. With Kaepernick at the helm, San Francisco moved to an attack that took full advantage of his running abilities via things like the read-option.

Kaepernick also has just seven regular-season starts (and three in the postseason) under his belt — Alex Smith was the 49ers’ starter prior to suffering a concussion a little more than midway through last season. The bar is exceptionally high in San Francisco, too, thanks to quarterbacking legends such as Joe Montana and Steve Young.

The 25-year-old Kaepernick may have only started scratching the surface last season. Given a full offseason and preseason to work as the No. 1 QB, he might thrust himself into the mix as a Pro Bowler or All-Pro candidate in 2013.

Of course, you could argue that he’s not even the best quarterback in his division — Russell Wilson at least has a claim there. And the NFC features QBs like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Eli Manning and Robert Griffin III, a small sampling of the talent at the game’s most important position.

Jaworski believes Kaepernick can be better than all of those guys, and maybe better than any QB who has come before them.
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Swap Andrew Luck and Kaep on their respective teams right now, and Luck could be even greater to which would make Jaws say even more crazy stuff.

ESPN has jumped the Jaws. It's time, Jaws.

 
27-39 for 412 yards and 3 touchdowns. 7 rushes for 22 yards.

It would not surprise me if he ends up as fantasy football's most valuable player this year.

 
From my Twitter:

Take Kaep's last two games against GB and pro-rate to 16 games: 5400/40/8 passing, 184/1624/16 rushing.

To put that into context, Drew Brees was QB1 with 5177/43/19 passing (plus 15/5/1 rushing), while Alfred Morris was RB5 with 335/1613/13 rushing (plus 11/77/0 receiving). So if Colin Kaepernick could only play the Packers every week, he'd score more points than Drew Brees and Alfred Morris combined.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
timschochet said:
27-39 for 412 yards and 3 touchdowns. 7 rushes for 22 yards.

It would not surprise me if he ends up as fantasy football's most valuable player this year.
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Where do you rank the GB defense Ohe-Won? You see Tim, I'm guessing the Niners won't be in a shootout every week.
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I actually think the GB defense Is pretty good.

And as far as the Niners not being in shootouts- I don't believe they will be a ball control team this year. I think they are going to have an explosive offense, mainly due to this guy, and he COULD put up numbers ala Tom Brady in 2008 or Peyton Manning in 2007. (Not 100% sure I have those years right, but you get my point.) I could be totally off on this, but that's what I think after watching one game. Take it with a grain of salt.

 
Mr. Brownstone said:
timschochet said:
Mr. Brownstone said:
timschochet said:
27-39 for 412 yards and 3 touchdowns. 7 rushes for 22 yards.

It would not surprise me if he ends up as fantasy football's most valuable player this year.
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A simple "Maybe I am wrong" would suffice.
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Maybe I was wrong about what? I didn't start this thread. I've been high on this guy since last year.
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Ooof. Apologies on my total lack of reading comprehension..
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No worries.

 
timschochet said:
Ministry of Pain said:
timschochet said:
27-39 for 412 yards and 3 touchdowns. 7 rushes for 22 yards.

It would not surprise me if he ends up as fantasy football's most valuable player this year.
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Where do you rank the GB defense Ohe-Won? You see Tim, I'm guessing the Niners won't be in a shootout every week.
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I actually think the GB defense Is pretty good.

And as far as the Niners not being in shootouts- I don't believe they will be a ball control team this year. I think they are going to have an explosive offense, mainly due to this guy, and he COULD put up numbers ala Tom Brady in 2008 or Peyton Manning in 2007. (Not 100% sure I have those years right, but you get my point.) I could be totally off on this, but that's what I think after watching one game. Take it with a grain of salt.
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Well you're WRONG!!! :)

 
As far as regular football goes: I would be ecstatic right now to be a 49ers fan. If I were drafting a new NFL league from scratch, with all current players available as free agents, I'm pretty sure this guy would be my #1 pick. (Just for comparison, it would be LeBron James in basketball and Mike Trout in baseball.)

 
The Packers defense was horrible in pass protection. They let Boldin and Davis run all over them wide open. I watched Boldin run down field with no bump off the line for most of the day. I saw nothing from the Packers DBs for much of the day.

I love CK, own him in many leagues, just saying that I would not pencil him in for 400 yds and 3 TD a week, we'll see though.

 
If I'm an opposing defensive coordinator, I'm taking as many shots on this guy as possible. Not that that's not already the case, lol. You've got to think he's not slinging it out when his defense is making other teams look like trash.

Opportunity, not talent may damper his stats.

 
timschochet said:
Ministry of Pain said:
timschochet said:
27-39 for 412 yards and 3 touchdowns. 7 rushes for 22 yards.

It would not surprise me if he ends up as fantasy football's most valuable player this year.
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Where do you rank the GB defense Ohe-Won? You see Tim, I'm guessing the Niners won't be in a shootout every week.
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I actually think the GB defense Is pretty good.

And as far as the Niners not being in shootouts- I don't believe they will be a ball control team this year. I think they are going to have an explosive offense, mainly due to this guy, and he COULD put up numbers ala Tom Brady in 2008 or Peyton Manning in 2007. (Not 100% sure I have those years right, but you get my point.) I could be totally off on this, but that's what I think after watching one game. Take it with a grain of salt.
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Agreed. I had a feeling Harbaugh and company were going to open up the playbook for Kap this year. Last year's offense was tailored for Alex Smith, and the niners are a "run-heavy" team based on Harbaugh's history with Alex Smith. The idea that Harbaugh/Roman want a run oriented ball control offense is a flawed one based on limited information.

 
timschochet said:
As far as regular football goes: I would be ecstatic right now to be a 49ers fan. If I were drafting a new NFL league from scratch, with all current players available as free agents, I'm pretty sure this guy would be my #1 pick. (Just for comparison, it would be LeBron James in basketball and Mike Trout in baseball.)
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Stay in the FFA for our sake.

 
Kaep has the velocity of Cutler and the accuracy of Manning.....Peyton that is.

Throw in the running ability........D coordinators nightmare.

 
Next week will be a good test for Kaep against the Seattle Def. He isn't going to get much pressure from the defensive line, but the secondary wont give him as many open targets. I don't think he will be able to lock on to just Boldin and Davis next week. I'm looking forward to watching this game.

 
Given the way Crabtree ended last season and Boldin began this season, is it too early to ask whether Colin Kaepernick is the new Jake Delhomme? By that, I mean is he the QB whose WR1 is going to put up Madden-type numbers, regardless of who it is? Think Muhammad in 2004 and Smiff from 2005-2008 in Carolina.

If so, Michael Crabtree is pretty ridiculously undervalued right now in dynasty leagues...

 
kaepernick had never had a 300 yard game, and he had a 400 yard game...

this was only his 11th start... he is still improving... off the charts upside...

 
Kaep is a perfect example of how a QB makes his weapons and not the other way around. The Rams can keep thinking Bradford needs weapons to excel; I'm sure that will be the answer.

 
valhallan said:
Kaep is a perfect example of how a QB makes his weapons and not the other way around. The Rams can keep thinking Bradford needs weapons to excel; I'm sure that will be the answer.
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The 49ers don't exactly have scrubs for weapons. The offensive line, both Kaep and former starting QB is one squad of weapons that the 49ers have spent a lot on as far as early draft picks, even more than Bill Walsh did in the draft. Davis and Crabs are 1st round picks. Boldin is a second round pick. You gotta give a large amount of credit to Greg Roman and the rest of the offensive coaching staff. But it's all keyed on that offensive line. With Smith it was the threat of the run alone that made that offense with him more successful. Now with Kaep it's that along with the threat of the read option and his bigger arm. Either way the offense had success with either QB, but now even more explosive and deeper in plays with Kaep.

That being said, if Colt McCoy had to start a few games, yeah, they're screwed.

 
valhallan said:
Kaep is a perfect example of how a QB makes his weapons and not the other way around. The Rams can keep thinking Bradford needs weapons to excel; I'm sure that will be the answer.
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No, this is a perfect example of the Oline making all of the weapons better. SF has the best Oline in football and Keap has all day to throw with clean lanes every time. Keap is certainly impressive but any starting QB in the NFL would look good behind that SF wall. This week will provide a better gage IMO. GB has a bad, I mean BAD D. Sea should be a challenge at least.

 
Adam Harstad said:
Given the way Crabtree ended last season and Boldin began this season, is it too early to ask whether Colin Kaepernick is the new Jake Delhomme? By that, I mean is he the QB whose WR1 is going to put up Madden-type numbers, regardless of who it is? Think Muhammad in 2004 and Smiff from 2005-2008 in Carolina.

If so, Michael Crabtree is pretty ridiculously undervalued right now in dynasty leagues...
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Or the opposite.

Crabtree, maybe, is what we thought he was after doing nothing for a few years.

We were quick to say he finally emerged after getting a QB who would allow his spectacular skill set to shine through. But if it's more the case that Kaepernick is a guy who is going to force feed his #1 the ball no matter who that guy is, then Crabtree might be easily replaceable in that offense. God knows that QB/WR1 hookup didn't seem to hickup with Boldin in there instead, who given his body type can probably perform at a high level for at least a couple more years.

I guess all I'm saying is that having seen both Crabtree and Boldin pre-Kaepernick, and now having seen them both play with him, I'm not in a big hurry to go and stash the former.

 
jurb26 said:
valhallan said:
Kaep is a perfect example of how a QB makes his weapons and not the other way around. The Rams can keep thinking Bradford needs weapons to excel; I'm sure that will be the answer.
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No, this is a perfect example of the Oline making all of the weapons better. SF has the best Oline in football and Keap has all day to throw with clean lanes every time. Keap is certainly impressive but any starting QB in the NFL would look good behind that SF wall.This week will provide a better gage IMO. GB has a bad, I mean BAD D. Sea should be a challenge at least.
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I think this is absolutely true. I watched Big Ben yesterday behind a terrible offensive line. I consider Roethlisberger to be an elite NFL QB. But he's helpless behind that line. Give him San Francisco's line, and he'd be excellent.

But Kaepernick is very special as well. A guy with that kind of arm strength, judgment, accuracy, and mobility- not sure I've ever seen his like before.

 
How did Cam do against the Seattle D?

Next week is no more of a way to tell if Kaep is real. I think Green Bays average defense is a better barometer that an elite D or the elite D. Won't his schedule be average?

 
this will go down as an epic fail, even if his numbers arent great on the road next week in Seattle.

Kids got it, if anything he was UNDER valued this season

 
Keith Lewis said:
How did Cam do against the Seattle D?

Next week is no more of a way to tell if Kaep is real. I think Green Bays average defense is a better barometer that an elite D or the elite D. Won't his schedule be average?
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I think it's difficult to create a benchmark for players/teams using divisional rivalry games, especially when only 2 games will have been played. I would say the results of those games are often times more the exception than the rule.

 
jurb26 said:
valhallan said:
Kaep is a perfect example of how a QB makes his weapons and not the other way around. The Rams can keep thinking Bradford needs weapons to excel; I'm sure that will be the answer.
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No, this is a perfect example of the Oline making all of the weapons better. SF has the best Oline in football and Keap has all day to throw with clean lanes every time. Keap is certainly impressive but any starting QB in the NFL would look good behind that SF wall.This week will provide a better gage IMO. GB has a bad, I mean BAD D. Sea should be a challenge at least.
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You saw a different game than I did. I agree the 9ers O-line is top notch, but there were several plays the Packers made Kaepernick shift in the pocket or outright abandon it. And they were very good against the 9ers RB's between the tackles.

In my mind we saw a classic example of why the read option works even when it doesn't work. The Packers were so concerned with setting the edge, that's what created the passing lanes is the threat of Kaepernick getting loose.

 
Keap better hope Sea didn't give the blueprint for shutting down the SF offense. Keap has looked awful the last 2 weeks.

 
He has ruined both my teams. The only guy i drafted in both leagues. Its amazing how bad he has been. Never expected this

 
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