Colin Kaepernick is Overrated in FF (1 Viewer)

[FantasyTrader]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

What's making you think this?

The Dolphins thing with the hat for one speaks to a lack of maturity. Just his general flippant attitude about stuff like that. Shows a lack of professionalism.

I don't know, I think it shows you're seeing what you want to see more than anything else. Pretty flimsy samples to insinuate the guy is becoming (or could become) a head case.

 

[Concept Coop]

I don't know, I think it shows you're seeing what you want to see more than anything else. Pretty flimsy samples to insinuate the guy is becoming (or could become) a head case.

I agree. He did nothing wrong, both in wearing the hat, and responding in jest. It is a MAJOR stretch to suggest this is a sign of something that will hinder his fantasy value or production.

From all accounts, he's a good, smart, hard working guy.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

What's making you think this?

The Dolphins thing with the hat for one speaks to a lack of maturity. Just his general flippant attitude about stuff like that. Shows a lack of professionalism.

I don't know, I think it shows you're seeing what you want to see more than anything else. Pretty flimsy samples to insinuate the guy is becoming (or could become) a head case.

I mean, it was a Dolphins' hat.

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't know, I think it shows you're seeing what you want to see more than anything else. Pretty flimsy samples to insinuate the guy is becoming (or could become) a head case.

I agree. He did nothing wrong, both in wearing the hat, and responding in jest. It is a MAJOR stretch to suggest this is a sign of something that will hinder his fantasy value or production.

From all accounts, he's a good, smart, hard working guy.

maybe. We will see I guess. I just get a thuggish vibe from him. Probably all that tats. Just doesn't scream leader to me like Wilson does.

 

[Concept Coop]

maybe. We will see I guess. I just get a thuggish vibe from him. Probably all that tats. Just doesn't scream leader to me like Wilson does.

All the bible tats? The guy got a 4.0 GPA and does more to help the community than is required of NFL players.

 

[Sabertooth]

They are all bible tats? All of them? Weird

 

[Faust]

Top 10 QBs 25 and under: Colin Kaepernick

 

[FantasyTrader]

Top 10 QBs 25 and under: Colin Kaepernick

Re-watching those videos, I forgot how sudden this guy really is. If the D loses contain for even a moment 1st down yardage is a foregone conclusion. What's possible if he improves as a passer?

 

[cstu]

They are all bible tats? All of them? Weird

Not all.

 

[Concept Coop]

They are all bible tats? All of them? Weird

They are all bible tats? All of them? Weird

Not all.

My bad. He's a thug!

(Not aimed at you, cstu)

 

[Sabertooth]

They are all bible tats? All of them? Weird

They are all bible tats? All of them? Weird

Not all.

My bad. He's a thug!

(Not aimed at you, cstu)

I just said I get a thuggish vibe from him. Am I not entitled to my opinion? He just seems immature to me.

 

[Concept Coop]

I just said I get a thuggish vibe from him. Am I not entitled to my opinion? He just seems immature to me.

Of course.

 

[drummer]

Tats have nothing to do with Kaep's abilities to run an offense. It's really what Greg Roman plans to do with Kaep. Besides, Harbaugh is the leader of that team. Kaep is just an extension of him until Kaep get's to that next level.

 

[Bob Magaw]

I haven't done the figures, but I'd bet pretty good money that all of the mobile QB's last season gained a decent amount more yardage on the ground off of scrambles, compared to called read-option runs.

Interesting take....I would be interested in seeing what those numbers were. All I know that in the playoff games where the kaep hype really took off I bet a good 60-70 % of his yards on the ground came off the read option

Well, then evidently you aren't a Packer fan, because most of Kaep's yards against the Pack came on scrambles.

I am a 49er fan and watched that game. I thought most of his runs came on the read option....anyone have a breakdown of this

I know in the Falcons game Kaep had almost no designed runs. They ran the read option but he handed it to Gore every time - one of the reasons Gore's stats were so padded. I think with the Packers he had might have had one or two but most of them were scrambles. The entire game plan for the Packers revolved around making him a passer, forcing him to hand off to Gore on the read-option, and keeping him in the pocket. Even so, he still burned them multiple times on scrambles, but I don't think many of his runs were designed.

Edit: Just watched the 10-minute game recap and saw 1 run that was a designed read option where Kaep kept it and ran (the 60-yard run for a touchdown). He had a lots of runs but all the other ones were scrambles, which I guess is what makes him so dangerous. I remember Vick telling people a few years ago that not one of his runs in the 2010(?) season were designed. They wanted him to use his ability when he got in trouble but not expose himself unnecessarily. It's more about making people respect the threat than actually using it.

I really liked the Packers game plan; they just didn't have the personnel to make it work. Not enough speed or talent. It didn't help that we lost two ILB and Perry on the outside. If you don't have your best linebackers you aren't going to win very many games playing a 3-4, especially against a dual threat QB. I'm really excited for this season when we get two MORE first rounders on the defense. That'll make four first-rounders total in the front seven (Matthews, Raji, Datone, Perry). Does any other team have that kind of talent up front? With Rodgers at the helm and that kind of defense (plus some up and coming secondary players) this is going to be a fun season to watch! =)

rams have three 1st rounders just in DL (in fairness, they do run a 4-3 )... at LB, ogletree a 1st rounder, laurinaitis a high 2nd...

* more to thhe point, i'd echo others saying kaep has reported strong work ethic (ie - 4.0 GPA)... after the season, he had many endorsement opps, and he reportedly turned down a lot of them if not all of them... he preferred to focus on preparing for 2013 season as best he could, which imo speaks highly of him (newton supposedly has spent a lot of time and energy concerned about his "brand")... he could be more like rookie phenoms, luck, RGIII and wilson, all who have clearly evident outstanding work ethics, high level of professionalism, are serious about the game and want to be great...

articles/videos recently looked at while doing dynasty draft research...

pro football focus comparing with wilson, likes both, notes kaepernick's great OL, and they average 27...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/04/02/the-best-fantasy-option-colin-kaepernick-or-russell-wilson/

sports science... for some combined pass/run test metrics (acceleration, accuracy, etc.), he graded out higher than any QB they tested... ever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VyypCZG7K4

NFL top 100... owen daniels (who doesn't play against him on D, but can appreciate him as fellow offensive player) called him maybe the most talented player in game today, didn't qualify opinion as among QBs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPhvUZO5GzY

top 10 QBs under 25 from NFL.com, #3 after only luck and RGIII...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000207725/article/top-10-qbs-25-and-under-colin-

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

Agree completely with the bolded. Came here to write that. He's doing a million interviews, acts cocky as hell, and now he's wearing sunglasses indoors at the ESPY's as if he's a movie star. This could all mean absolutely nothing. But it could also mean that he no longer has the desire and work ethic that got him to this point. Less than a year ago, the casual football fan had no idea who this guy was. Now, he's everywhere. It's concerning to me, and I'll leave it at that.

 

[drummer]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

Agree completely with the bolded. Came here to write that. He's doing a million interviews, acts cocky as hell, and now he's wearing sunglasses indoors at the ESPY's as if he's a movie star. This could all mean absolutely nothing. But it could also mean that he no longer has the desire and work ethic that got him to this point. Less than a year ago, the casual football fan had no idea who this guy was. Now, he's everywhere. It's concerning to me, and I'll leave it at that.

It means absolutely nothing. Just like the ESPYs mean absolutely nothing.

Comment on Sabertooth's quote: the team wasn't clicking fine with Smith. The offense started to sputter prior to Smith getting injured. The move would had blown up if the 49ers had not made the post season last year. The offense wound up evolving to becoming more explosive with a lot more plays added with Kaep behind center.

I understand the offseason weeks before TC opens can lull fans into boredom (and combined with the exhaustion of topics such as Hernandez and Zimmerman makes it worse), but there hasn't been any indicators of a full blown meltdown with Kaep. I posted an article in the Kaep thread on how he and his agent is carefully crafting his brand. There is no smoke here to fan a Hernandez type fire.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

Agree completely with the bolded. Came here to write that. He's doing a million interviews, acts cocky as hell, and now he's wearing sunglasses indoors at the ESPY's as if he's a movie star. This could all mean absolutely nothing. But it could also mean that he no longer has the desire and work ethic that got him to this point. Less than a year ago, the casual football fan had no idea who this guy was. Now, he's everywhere. It's concerning to me, and I'll leave it at that.

It means absolutely nothing. Just like the ESPYs mean absolutely nothing.

Comment on Sabertooth's quote: the team wasn't clicking fine with Smith. The offense started to sputter prior to Smith getting injured. The move would had blown up if the 49ers had not made the post season last year. The offense wound up evolving to becoming more explosive with a lot more plays added with Kaep behind center.

I understand the offseason weeks before TC opens can lull fans into boredom (and combined with the exhaustion of topics such as Hernandez and Zimmerman makes it worse), but there hasn't been any indicators of a full blown meltdown with Kaep. I posted an article in the Kaep thread on how he and his agent is carefully crafting his brand. There is no smoke here to fan a Hernandez type fire.

Nobody is suggesting he's about to start hanging with undesirable homies and killing people. I'm merely speculating that he may be distracted and unfocused, and I don't think that's an unfair concern.

 

[drummer]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

Agree completely with the bolded. Came here to write that. He's doing a million interviews, acts cocky as hell, and now he's wearing sunglasses indoors at the ESPY's as if he's a movie star. This could all mean absolutely nothing. But it could also mean that he no longer has the desire and work ethic that got him to this point. Less than a year ago, the casual football fan had no idea who this guy was. Now, he's everywhere. It's concerning to me, and I'll leave it at that.

It means absolutely nothing. Just like the ESPYs mean absolutely nothing.

Comment on Sabertooth's quote: the team wasn't clicking fine with Smith. The offense started to sputter prior to Smith getting injured. The move would had blown up if the 49ers had not made the post season last year. The offense wound up evolving to becoming more explosive with a lot more plays added with Kaep behind center.

I understand the offseason weeks before TC opens can lull fans into boredom (and combined with the exhaustion of topics such as Hernandez and Zimmerman makes it worse), but there hasn't been any indicators of a full blown meltdown with Kaep. I posted an article in the Kaep thread on how he and his agent is carefully crafting his brand. There is no smoke here to fan a Hernandez type fire.

Nobody is suggesting he's about to start hanging with undesirable homies and killing people. I'm merely speculating that he may be distracted and unfocused, and I don't think that's an unfair concern.

But there isn't anything out there that has shown he isn't focused. Tattoos and sunglasses aren't an indicator of lack of focus. There are plenty of athletes who have them, Olympians, NBA etc., that wear them. Wearing a Dolphins hat ain't nothing compared to Anthony Davis' tweets. There is just no smoke here.

ETA: not posting this because I am a 49er fan. If there were cause for alarm that I see I would definitely post it. I think most 49er fans here feel I am one of the more negative 49er fans around. I just don't buy into hype, and I am not trying to hype Kaep at all.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

Agree completely with the bolded. Came here to write that. He's doing a million interviews, acts cocky as hell, and now he's wearing sunglasses indoors at the ESPY's as if he's a movie star. This could all mean absolutely nothing. But it could also mean that he no longer has the desire and work ethic that got him to this point. Less than a year ago, the casual football fan had no idea who this guy was. Now, he's everywhere. It's concerning to me, and I'll leave it at that.

FWIW, I get the same impression

 

[Shawnky]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

What's making you think this?

:bitterpackerfan:Remember what Kaep did in the playoffs?

 

[drummer]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

What's making you think this?

:bitterpackerfan:Remember what Kaep did in the playoffs?

 

[Concept Coop]

Where are you guys drafting him in your fantasy psychology leagues? I'm debating him and Newton. Newton pouts, but Kaep has tattoos. Was hoping to trade up for Tebow, but he went 3 picks before mine in the 2nd.

ETA: Nevermind. I didn't hear about the sunglasses thing until just now. I'm pulling the trigger on Newton; lesser of two evils.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

Agree completely with the bolded. Came here to write that. He's doing a million interviews, acts cocky as hell, and now he's wearing sunglasses indoors at the ESPY's as if he's a movie star. This could all mean absolutely nothing. But it could also mean that he no longer has the desire and work ethic that got him to this point. Less than a year ago, the casual football fan had no idea who this guy was. Now, he's everywhere. It's concerning to me, and I'll leave it at that.

It means absolutely nothing. Just like the ESPYs mean absolutely nothing.

Comment on Sabertooth's quote: the team wasn't clicking fine with Smith. The offense started to sputter prior to Smith getting injured. The move would had blown up if the 49ers had not made the post season last year. The offense wound up evolving to becoming more explosive with a lot more plays added with Kaep behind center.

I understand the offseason weeks before TC opens can lull fans into boredom (and combined with the exhaustion of topics such as Hernandez and Zimmerman makes it worse), but there hasn't been any indicators of a full blown meltdown with Kaep. I posted an article in the Kaep thread on how he and his agent is carefully crafting his brand. There is no smoke here to fan a Hernandez type fire.

You don't know that any more than I do. I don't see Tom Brady or Russell Wilson behaving like that. It could mean nothing, could mean something. Time will tell.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

What's making you think this?

:bitterpackerfan:Remember what Kaep did in the playoffs?

Nah, not bitter. He embarrassed the crappy Packers defense as the sham it was all season. Smashed their faces in (but apparently not badly enough for them to fire Dom Capers). He couldn't do the same to the Ravens though.

 

[Sabertooth]

Where are you guys drafting him in your fantasy psychology leagues? I'm debating him and Newton. Newton pouts, but Kaep has tattoos. Was hoping to trade up for Tebow, but he went 3 picks before mine in the 2nd.

ETA: Nevermind. I didn't hear about the sunglasses thing until just now. I'm pulling the trigger on Newton; lesser of two evils.

Where are you drafting Kaepernick right now in regular 12 teamers? Who does he sit between on your cheat sheets?

I like him in the Top 12 somewhere, but near the tail end.

 

[drummer]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

Agree completely with the bolded. Came here to write that. He's doing a million interviews, acts cocky as hell, and now he's wearing sunglasses indoors at the ESPY's as if he's a movie star. This could all mean absolutely nothing. But it could also mean that he no longer has the desire and work ethic that got him to this point. Less than a year ago, the casual football fan had no idea who this guy was. Now, he's everywhere. It's concerning to me, and I'll leave it at that.

It means absolutely nothing. Just like the ESPYs mean absolutely nothing.

Comment on Sabertooth's quote: the team wasn't clicking fine with Smith. The offense started to sputter prior to Smith getting injured. The move would had blown up if the 49ers had not made the post season last year. The offense wound up evolving to becoming more explosive with a lot more plays added with Kaep behind center.

I understand the offseason weeks before TC opens can lull fans into boredom (and combined with the exhaustion of topics such as Hernandez and Zimmerman makes it worse), but there hasn't been any indicators of a full blown meltdown with Kaep. I posted an article in the Kaep thread on how he and his agent is carefully crafting his brand. There is no smoke here to fan a Hernandez type fire.

You don't know that any more than I do. I don't see Tom Brady or Russell Wilson behaving like that. It could mean nothing, could mean something. Time will tell.

OMG HE'S WEARING SUNGLASSES AND HAS TATS OUTRAGEOUS! HE MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING LIKE AN ADDICTION TO PAINKILLERS!

See how your perception can be skewed?

 

[Concept Coop]

Where are you guys drafting him in your fantasy psychology leagues? I'm debating him and Newton. Newton pouts, but Kaep has tattoos. Was hoping to trade up for Tebow, but he went 3 picks before mine in the 2nd.

ETA: Nevermind. I didn't hear about the sunglasses thing until just now. I'm pulling the trigger on Newton; lesser of two evils.

Where are you drafting Kaepernick right now in regular 12 teamers? Who does he sit between on your cheat sheets?

I like him in the Top 12 somewhere, but near the tail end.

Dynasty - top 7 or 8.

I haven't done my re-draft homework yet.

 

[Sabertooth]

Where are you guys drafting him in your fantasy psychology leagues? I'm debating him and Newton. Newton pouts, but Kaep has tattoos. Was hoping to trade up for Tebow, but he went 3 picks before mine in the 2nd.

ETA: Nevermind. I didn't hear about the sunglasses thing until just now. I'm pulling the trigger on Newton; lesser of two evils.

Where are you drafting Kaepernick right now in regular 12 teamers? Who does he sit between on your cheat sheets?

I like him in the Top 12 somewhere, but near the tail end.

Dynasty - top 7 or 8.

I haven't done my re-draft homework yet.

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

Agree completely with the bolded. Came here to write that. He's doing a million interviews, acts cocky as hell, and now he's wearing sunglasses indoors at the ESPY's as if he's a movie star. This could all mean absolutely nothing. But it could also mean that he no longer has the desire and work ethic that got him to this point. Less than a year ago, the casual football fan had no idea who this guy was. Now, he's everywhere. It's concerning to me, and I'll leave it at that.

It means absolutely nothing. Just like the ESPYs mean absolutely nothing.

Comment on Sabertooth's quote: the team wasn't clicking fine with Smith. The offense started to sputter prior to Smith getting injured. The move would had blown up if the 49ers had not made the post season last year. The offense wound up evolving to becoming more explosive with a lot more plays added with Kaep behind center.

I understand the offseason weeks before TC opens can lull fans into boredom (and combined with the exhaustion of topics such as Hernandez and Zimmerman makes it worse), but there hasn't been any indicators of a full blown meltdown with Kaep. I posted an article in the Kaep thread on how he and his agent is carefully crafting his brand. There is no smoke here to fan a Hernandez type fire.

You don't know that any more than I do. I don't see Tom Brady or Russell Wilson behaving like that. It could mean nothing, could mean something. Time will tell.

OMG HE'S WEARING SUNGLASSES AND HAS TATS OUTRAGEOUS! HE MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING LIKE AN ADDICTION TO PAINKILLERS!

See how your perception can be skewed?

Obviously you are a 49ers fan so you are going to defend your guy. I never speculated about what bugged me, just that there is some concern. You said you didn't think there was anything to worry about but then brought up painkillers. Weird.

 

[Concept Coop]

I never speculated about what bugged me, just that there is some concern.

You did provide us with an example of what bugged you: "all the tats". And he's not my guy, but I'm defending him because tats =/= thug.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

What's making you think this?

:bitterpackerfan:Remember what Kaep did in the playoffs?

Nah, not bitter. He embarrassed the crappy Packers defense as the sham it was all season. Smashed their faces in (but apparently not badly enough for them to fire Dom Capers). He couldn't do the same to the Ravens though.

302 yards passing, 62 yards rushing, two total TD's. Two 70-80 yard TD drives.

He wasn't perfect. One INT, a couple crucial missed throws near the end of the game. But still. Not a performance the Ravens defense can really pound their chest about.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

how your perception can be skewed?

Obviously you are a 49ers fan so you are going to defend your guy.madly in love with a guy who doesnt know you exist I never speculated about what bugged me, just that there is some concern. You said you didn't think there was anything to worry about but then brought up painkillers. Weird.

Fixed.

To the people with his poster hanging on your ceiling---It's OK if others disagree with how he's ranked....you're still allowed to love him despite others not loving him as much as you. Geez.

 

[johnadams]

Some of you guys need to just retire to porch rocker, yelling at kids to keep off your lawn. People making things up about a man's character they've never met and every indication is the total opposite. Sure, you can have an opinion, but you know what they say about opinions. Tattoos meaning a guy is a thug. Laughable.

 

[drummer]

Where are you guys drafting him in your fantasy psychology leagues? I'm debating him and Newton. Newton pouts, but Kaep has tattoos. Was hoping to trade up for Tebow, but he went 3 picks before mine in the 2nd.

ETA: Nevermind. I didn't hear about the sunglasses thing until just now. I'm pulling the trigger on Newton; lesser of two evils.

Where are you drafting Kaepernick right now in regular 12 teamers? Who does he sit between on your cheat sheets?

I like him in the Top 12 somewhere, but near the tail end.

Dynasty - top 7 or 8.

I haven't done my re-draft homework yet.

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

Agree completely with the bolded. Came here to write that. He's doing a million interviews, acts cocky as hell, and now he's wearing sunglasses indoors at the ESPY's as if he's a movie star. This could all mean absolutely nothing. But it could also mean that he no longer has the desire and work ethic that got him to this point. Less than a year ago, the casual football fan had no idea who this guy was. Now, he's everywhere. It's concerning to me, and I'll leave it at that.

It means absolutely nothing. Just like the ESPYs mean absolutely nothing.

Comment on Sabertooth's quote: the team wasn't clicking fine with Smith. The offense started to sputter prior to Smith getting injured. The move would had blown up if the 49ers had not made the post season last year. The offense wound up evolving to becoming more explosive with a lot more plays added with Kaep behind center.

I understand the offseason weeks before TC opens can lull fans into boredom (and combined with the exhaustion of topics such as Hernandez and Zimmerman makes it worse), but there hasn't been any indicators of a full blown meltdown with Kaep. I posted an article in the Kaep thread on how he and his agent is carefully crafting his brand. There is no smoke here to fan a Hernandez type fire.

You don't know that any more than I do. I don't see Tom Brady or Russell Wilson behaving like that. It could mean nothing, could mean something. Time will tell.

OMG HE'S WEARING SUNGLASSES AND HAS TATS OUTRAGEOUS! HE MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING LIKE AN ADDICTION TO PAINKILLERS!

See how your perception can be skewed?

Obviously you are a 49ers fan so you are going to defend your guy. I never speculated about what bugged me, just that there is some concern. You said you didn't think there was anything to worry about but then brought up painkillers. Weird.

Because even a somewhat wholesome QB from Louisiana who doesn't scream 'thug life' at you can have issues.

I'm not defending Kaep because I'm a 49er fan. I just find what you base your fear on a bit ridiculous. Like I said before, tats as well as sunglasses aren't an issue when it comes to running an offense, and in particular Kaep in relation to Roman's scheme. But besides that, if there were a problem with Kaep's 'leadership' then I guess we can count out he leading an almost miraculous comeback in the Super Bowl starting for the first time ever, while being starter in only half a season.

If he's cocky, well the whole 49er team is cocky, and that stems from Harbaugh. The 49ers have been built with the coach as the main stem of the Organization since Mike Nolan. The team then took the personality of Mike Singletary. Now they are taking Harbaugh's. So thus again, Kaep is just an extension of Harbaugh on the field.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

Agree completely with the bolded. Came here to write that. He's doing a million interviews, acts cocky as hell, and now he's wearing sunglasses indoors at the ESPY's as if he's a movie star. This could all mean absolutely nothing. But it could also mean that he no longer has the desire and work ethic that got him to this point. Less than a year ago, the casual football fan had no idea who this guy was. Now, he's everywhere. It's concerning to me, and I'll leave it at that.

It means absolutely nothing. Just like the ESPYs mean absolutely nothing.

Comment on Sabertooth's quote: the team wasn't clicking fine with Smith. The offense started to sputter prior to Smith getting injured. The move would had blown up if the 49ers had not made the post season last year. The offense wound up evolving to becoming more explosive with a lot more plays added with Kaep behind center.

I understand the offseason weeks before TC opens can lull fans into boredom (and combined with the exhaustion of topics such as Hernandez and Zimmerman makes it worse), but there hasn't been any indicators of a full blown meltdown with Kaep. I posted an article in the Kaep thread on how he and his agent is carefully crafting his brand. There is no smoke here to fan a Hernandez type fire.

You don't know that any more than I do. I don't see Tom Brady or Russell Wilson behaving like that. It could mean nothing, could mean something. Time will tell.

OMG HE'S WEARING SUNGLASSES AND HAS TATS OUTRAGEOUS! HE MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING LIKE AN ADDICTION TO PAINKILLERS!

See how your perception can be skewed?

LOL

when he starts taking pics of his junk and sending it out to chics that arent his wife, then thats a REAL ISSUE!

 

[drummer]

how your perception can be skewed?

Obviously you are a 49ers fan so you are going to defend your guy.madly in love with a guy who doesnt know you exist I never speculated about what bugged me, just that there is some concern. You said you didn't think there was anything to worry about but then brought up painkillers. Weird.

Fixed.

To the people with his poster hanging on your ceiling---It's OK if others disagree with how he's ranked....you're still allowed to love him despite others not loving him as much as you. Geez.

File this under "post that adds nothing".

 

[Sabertooth]

I never speculated about what bugged me, just that there is some concern.

You did provide us with an example of what bugged you: "all the tats". And he's not my guy, but I'm defending him because tats =/= thug.

No it doesn't. But actually what I said was that he just seems to think he's arrived and is a big superstar now when in all actuality he hasn't really done anything yet. He got to a Super Bowl which is nice, but McNabb did that several times and he was ridden out of town. He just seems to be more sizzle than steak at this point. This will be a telling season for him. He schooled Green Bay, that's for sure, but he doesn't have his favorite weapon now and DCs have had a lot of time to dissect his game.

I think the tats are one thing, but its more his basking in the glow of ....well nothing really. The tats are just one thing. The Miami hat is another. The Espy's are another. Taken by themselves, no big deal, but I am just making a note right now about him.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

Agree completely with the bolded. Came here to write that. He's doing a million interviews, acts cocky as hell, and now he's wearing sunglasses indoors at the ESPY's as if he's a movie star. This could all mean absolutely nothing. But it could also mean that he no longer has the desire and work ethic that got him to this point. Less than a year ago, the casual football fan had no idea who this guy was. Now, he's everywhere. It's concerning to me, and I'll leave it at that.

It means absolutely nothing. Just like the ESPYs mean absolutely nothing.

Comment on Sabertooth's quote: the team wasn't clicking fine with Smith. The offense started to sputter prior to Smith getting injured. The move would had blown up if the 49ers had not made the post season last year. The offense wound up evolving to becoming more explosive with a lot more plays added with Kaep behind center.

I understand the offseason weeks before TC opens can lull fans into boredom (and combined with the exhaustion of topics such as Hernandez and Zimmerman makes it worse), but there hasn't been any indicators of a full blown meltdown with Kaep. I posted an article in the Kaep thread on how he and his agent is carefully crafting his brand. There is no smoke here to fan a Hernandez type fire.

You don't know that any more than I do. I don't see Tom Brady or Russell Wilson behaving like that. It could mean nothing, could mean something. Time will tell.

OMG HE'S WEARING SUNGLASSES AND HAS TATS OUTRAGEOUS! HE MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING LIKE AN ADDICTION TO PAINKILLERS!

See how your perception can be skewed?

LOL

when he starts taking pics of his junk and sending it out to chics that arent his wife, then thats a REAL ISSUE!

He's already got naked pics out there, no?

 

[Keith Lewis]

Kaep a thug?

That's just silly and reaching.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

What's making you think this?

:bitterpackerfan:Remember what Kaep did in the playoffs?

Nah, not bitter. He embarrassed the crappy Packers defense as the sham it was all season. Smashed their faces in (but apparently not badly enough for them to fire Dom Capers). He couldn't do the same to the Ravens though.

302 yards passing, 62 yards rushing, two total TD's. Two 70-80 yard TD drives.

He wasn't perfect. One INT, a couple crucial missed throws near the end of the game. But still. Not a performance the Ravens defense can really pound their chest about.

No but they are polishing their rings nonetheless. He had a good game, but nowhere near what he did to Green Bay, agreed?

 

[BaBastage]

No but they are polishing their rings nonetheless. He had a good game, but nowhere near what he did to Green Bay, agreed?

That's not saying much... unless you expect someone to break records *every game*.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He got to a Super Bowl which is nice, but McNabb did that several times and he was ridden out of town.

Several?

I think you're reaching for reasons to "hate" Kaepernick. Everything that's been written or reports about him has been positive, and he was an axcellant student in college. I guess I could see tats making some one look thuggish, or silly at least, but it's fairly common now and doesn't really mean anything. I'm rooting for him.

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't hate him at all. Just think perhaps celebrity is going to his head a bit prematurely. He hasn't earned it yet.

 

[thecatch]

I'm starting to think Kaepernick is buying into his own celebrity a bit too much. Seems like for some reason he thinks he's arrived. He hasn't won anything yet. He's on a team that was clipping along just fine with Alex Smith. I still think this Kaepernick move could blow up in the 49ers face.

What's making you think this?

:bitterpackerfan:Remember what Kaep did in the playoffs?

Nah, not bitter. He embarrassed the crappy Packers defense as the sham it was all season. Smashed their faces in (but apparently not badly enough for them to fire Dom Capers). He couldn't do the same to the Ravens though.

302 yards passing, 62 yards rushing, two total TD's. Two 70-80 yard TD drives.

He wasn't perfect. One INT, a couple crucial missed throws near the end of the game. But still. Not a performance the Ravens defense can really pound their chest about.

No but they are polishing their rings nonetheless. He had a good game, but nowhere near what he did to Green Bay, agreed?

He embarrassed the packers, spearheaded a historic comeback in the NFC championship game, and had a fantastic game on the biggest stage in sports. If he hasn't "earned" it (and im not sure what "it" is) very few guys have.

 

[drummer]

I don't hate him at all. Just think perhaps celebrity is going to his head a bit prematurely. He hasn't earned it yet.

Your trolling was done 5 posts ago.

 

[Sabertooth]

We shall see. He is in the news a lot.

 

[Shawnky]

Sabe, why you so jelly?

 

[Sabertooth]

I think it's actually funny that any doubts about Kaepernick are met with such vehement opposition. All I said was he seems to be really digging into being a celebrity. It may or may not mean anything. And people are going nuts over that.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think it's actually funny that any doubts about Kaepernick are met with such vehement opposition. All I said was he seems to be really digging into being a celebrity. It may or may not mean anything. And people are going nuts over that.

You actually said more than that, if you want to go back and reread ("thuggish vibe" being one of those things) - and like you people are just offering a counter position to your take. Why is a post "defending" against your baseless claims "vehement opposition" implying some kind of irrational behavior - but your posts repeating your same position multiple times just fine? I only say baseless as the only evidence of thuggish behavior you offer are tattoos, sunglasses and a Dolphins' cap. None of those things seem out of place for a twenty year old.

Wearing the Dolphins cap was probably a stupid decision, but come on, it's not the crime it was portrayed to be. In fact it's not even really stupid - and if it is, it's only because fans are irrational and obsessive - there was literally nothing wrong with it.

Wearing sunglasses inside is a poor fashion statement, at worst.

The tattoos are just a sign of the times, but in reality they go back generations (albeit in a more subdued manner.) My father is now in his seventies and has a tatoo on each arm from when he was in the army. He went on to work for the LIRR and was a family man all his life. The ink on his arms surely didn't turn him into a thug.

Even adding all of these things up (as you say) shouldn't raise any eyebrows at all. They are amongst the most minor "transgressions" that anyone could possibly come up with if they want to raise a red flag.

If some one wants to argue that Kaep isn't all that good of a QB, it would be normal conversation for this board. There would be those "arguing" on both sides of the fence.

Raising character concerns, aren't out of bounds either to be fair - but why would you expect no one to counter those concerns rationally instead of just letting them sit there. Isn't it the same thing as a discussion on his playing merits?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I think it's actually funny that any doubts about Kaepernick are met with such vehement opposition. All I said was he seems to be really digging into being a celebrity. It may or may not mean anything. And people are going nuts over that.

Seriously nuts.

 

[cstu]

I'm much more concerned that he lost the receiver he locked onto last year than I am about him buying into being a celebrity.