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Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (9 Viewers)
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
You can`t tell people how to feel about things or what they are or are not offended by. So many people equate the anthem with the military and the flag. To them it is and will always be disrespectful. Just the way it is.
Was at the Lions game on Thursday and nobody kneeled..in fact when the camera zoomed in on the big screens many players were singing the anthem. The sax went over big!
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I'll give Lynch props for playing peacemaker instead of whipping Talib's ### in that fight today
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Looks like GB might have made the right decision to stick with Hundley, eh?
3 tds so far against Pittsburgh
3 tds so far against Pittsburgh
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
At 2 PM, Trump is hosting an event "honoring the Native American code talkers."
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
So who should he replace this week? The mess in Denver maybe?
squistion
Footballguy
BLACKAMAZING.COM @BLACKAMAZING_ 14m14 minutes ago
Erykah Badu hosted the 2017 Soul Train Awards and during the opening, she
showed support for Colin Kaepernick. "This is for Kap," she said after taking a knee.
"Kap we appreciate you, for giving up your life, giving up your dream, for your belief in us." #blackamazing
https://twitter.com/BLACKAMAZING_/status/935177457010987008
Erykah Badu hosted the 2017 Soul Train Awards and during the opening, she
showed support for Colin Kaepernick. "This is for Kap," she said after taking a knee.
"Kap we appreciate you, for giving up your life, giving up your dream, for your belief in us." #blackamazing
https://twitter.com/BLACKAMAZING_/status/935177457010987008
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Still think Kaep will have much more impact being a martyr than returning to football as a run of the mill QB who won`t kneel anymore. The NFL is doing him a favor.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
When he decided he never wanted to lead anything better than the 29th ranked passing attack.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Fun fact
In April 2014, Badu came under fire by the US-based Human Rights Foundation, for performing at the birthday celebration of Swaziland's ruler and monarch, King Mswati III. Mswati, credited as Africa's last absolute monarch, is considered to be a serial human-rights abuser, ruling in luxury in a country famed for its poverty and spiralling HIV rates. Badu presented Mswati with a $100 bill, and a good-luck stone.
squistion
Footballguy
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/erykah-badu-defends-swaziland-performance-amid-abuse-allegations-20140501
Erykah Badu Defends Swaziland Performance Amid Abuse Allegations
"The people know I was not endorsing the king or helping to further his political agenda," she says
Erykah Badu has had to defend herself for performing "Happy Birthday" at a party for Swaziland King Mswati III, the leader of what Amnesty International describes as "Africa's last remaining absolute monarchy." "She owes us all an explanation," Human Rights Foundation's director of institutional affairs, Alex Gladstein, said in a statement. "The king is a kleptocrat who lives in the lap of obscene luxury while most of his countrymen toil in abject poverty for less than $2 a day." According to Billboard, Badu replied in a since-deleted Tweet, "I was not paid by the KING. I had no idea of the political climate."
Badu, who had been in South Africa working on a record, said in an interview with The Dallas Morning News that she made the trip as a "harmless" last-minute favor for an acquaintance. The party's organizer, Jacob "The Jeweler" Arabo, had told her that one of the performers had dropped off the bill and he needed a replacement, so she took an hour-long helicopter to sing for a packed stadium. She gave Mswati a gift from Arabo and departed to stay at a friend's house. "And all the money that I got from the trip I gave to all the servants in the house," she said.
"I want to address the people, not a group or a government agency," she told the Dallas Morning News. "The people know I was not endorsing the king or helping to further his political agenda. I have no agenda. I went into a situation not completely knowing the political climate of the kingdom. I can't be held responsible for the situation in the kingdom because I signed up as an artist, not as a political activist. I don't belong to anyone or to anything. Anything I do is because I am a human being, and I am for the people."
HellToupee
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
She didnt do anything wrong. She was hired for a gig and got paid to do it. Whats the problem?
sure I believe her
ETA: Unless your point is she loses cred as an activist, then, yes i agree.
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squistion
Footballguy
If you got Republican bosses, probably best not to kneel during the anthem at a sporting event.
https://theintercept.com/2017/10/16/tennessee-national-anthem-protest-man-fired/
Tennessee Man Fired For Sitting Down During the National Anthem
Tyler Chancellor started his job as a coach at a kickboxing gym in Chattanooga, Tennessee, less than two weeks ago — the culmination of years of hard work.
“I played football my whole life, and I’ve been around a gym setting and training people — that’s what I’ve been doing my whole life,” he told The Intercept.
He worked at 9Round Fitness for a week before he was fired for sitting down during the national anthem at a boxing event a few weeks ago.
9Round didn’t respond to a request for comment from The Intercept, but confirmed to a local reporter that Chancellor was indeed fired for his political gesture.
Chancellor’s termination occurred amid widespread debate over NFL players kneeling during the national anthem, a protest of police brutality started by former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick.
At first, Chancellor said the job was a good fit. “The people were cool, they were fun to be around,” the 24-year-old said. But he soon learned that the owners, Courtney and Phil Grubb, were avid Republicans and that Phil Grubb was a former police officer.
“I never thought anything of them, until one day, we were talking about the NFL, and [Courtney] mentioned her husband didn’t like the NFL because of the protests and what’s going on,” he explained.
On October 7, he decided to sit while others stood for the national anthem at a local sporting event.
He explained to The Intercept that his opposition to police brutality motivated him to remain seated.
“I’m not about to stand up for a flag that means nothing to me,” he said. “That flag stands for justice for all? There’s not justice for all right now.”
His bosses didn’t see it that way. The Monday after Chancellor chose to sit during the anthem, he was promptly fired by Courtney Grubb.
“I was dressed for work, I went to work, I didn’t even get to start my shift,” he said. “She flat-out said. ‘We’re no longer doing business with you because of what you said Saturday night. That’s disrespectful here at 9Round, we don’t do that.'”
Chancellor doesn’t buy arguments that the national anthem protests are an affront to the military. He points out his father is a veteran who served for two decades.
“I’m 24 years old. My dad served 20 years out of my life in the military,” he said. “I know more about the military than my bosses did.” [...]
While some states and cities have enacted laws that protect employees from being fired for expressing political views, there is no federal law that enshrines those labor rights. As the law firm of Parks, Chesin, and Walbert notes: “The First Amendment protects the government from infringing on your speech. It does not prohibit private employers from taking negative employment actions, including termination against you for your political speech.”
https://theintercept.com/2017/10/16/tennessee-national-anthem-protest-man-fired/
Tennessee Man Fired For Sitting Down During the National Anthem
Tyler Chancellor started his job as a coach at a kickboxing gym in Chattanooga, Tennessee, less than two weeks ago — the culmination of years of hard work.
“I played football my whole life, and I’ve been around a gym setting and training people — that’s what I’ve been doing my whole life,” he told The Intercept.
He worked at 9Round Fitness for a week before he was fired for sitting down during the national anthem at a boxing event a few weeks ago.
9Round didn’t respond to a request for comment from The Intercept, but confirmed to a local reporter that Chancellor was indeed fired for his political gesture.
Chancellor’s termination occurred amid widespread debate over NFL players kneeling during the national anthem, a protest of police brutality started by former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick.
At first, Chancellor said the job was a good fit. “The people were cool, they were fun to be around,” the 24-year-old said. But he soon learned that the owners, Courtney and Phil Grubb, were avid Republicans and that Phil Grubb was a former police officer.
“I never thought anything of them, until one day, we were talking about the NFL, and [Courtney] mentioned her husband didn’t like the NFL because of the protests and what’s going on,” he explained.
On October 7, he decided to sit while others stood for the national anthem at a local sporting event.
He explained to The Intercept that his opposition to police brutality motivated him to remain seated.
“I’m not about to stand up for a flag that means nothing to me,” he said. “That flag stands for justice for all? There’s not justice for all right now.”
His bosses didn’t see it that way. The Monday after Chancellor chose to sit during the anthem, he was promptly fired by Courtney Grubb.
“I was dressed for work, I went to work, I didn’t even get to start my shift,” he said. “She flat-out said. ‘We’re no longer doing business with you because of what you said Saturday night. That’s disrespectful here at 9Round, we don’t do that.'”
Chancellor doesn’t buy arguments that the national anthem protests are an affront to the military. He points out his father is a veteran who served for two decades.
“I’m 24 years old. My dad served 20 years out of my life in the military,” he said. “I know more about the military than my bosses did.” [...]
While some states and cities have enacted laws that protect employees from being fired for expressing political views, there is no federal law that enshrines those labor rights. As the law firm of Parks, Chesin, and Walbert notes: “The First Amendment protects the government from infringing on your speech. It does not prohibit private employers from taking negative employment actions, including termination against you for your political speech.”
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Guy hears his boss doesnt like the NFL because of the protests. He is then all of a sudden an activist.
Where have we heard that before?
Where have we heard that before?
squistion
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Well he didn't care about this issue until October 7th after his boss said something about it. So maybe he was an activist regarding other things, but not this issue.
Pretty clear what he was doing.
squistion
Footballguy
Once again, how do you know that? Answer: you don't.
And the guy is a young African American, not too much of a stretch to believe he cared about this issue before 10/7.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
at scouring the internet for random kneeling stories and then pretending to be the expert on the guy's intentions from the story. Must not have been any poor QB play yesterday to troll with.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Pretty sure I do. The issue is sitting at games during the anthem. He didnt do that until October 7th when he said he made the decision. Are you saying he wanted to sit at games prior to that, but just didnt do it? That seems like a weird argument to make. In fact that actually makes it sound more like it was in response to his boss then what I was saying even.
HellToupee
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
We don't know what he did prior to October 7th. We don't know how many sporting events, if any, he attended where the anthem was played - this well could have been his first opportunity to make a statement by kneeling. The article does not talk about his past attitudes and any activism or lack of activism before that - so it is presumptuous to make assumptions based on what one speculates he did or didn't do or how he felt before 10/7
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I would say it is presumptuous to say that he decided prior to October 7th when the article says he decided, on ,well, uh, October 7th. This is a really weird thing to try and dig in on.
HellToupee
Footballguy
What a chump
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Love that he looked into legal action. That is so typical of today's society.
Max Power
Footballguy
Did you miss the Broncos game? A grown ### man was crying on the bench because of how bad he played. Kaep would have played as bad, but at least he wouldn't have cried!
General Malaise
Footballguy
From Peter King today...
5. I think I do not mean to be cruel, but this is the truth: Brock Osweiler has gotten two offensive coordinators (George Godsey, Mike McCoy) fired from two teams (Houston, Denver) in consecutive seasons. Also:
• Osweiler has played so poorly in Houston that he had to be traded to Cleveland along with a second-round pick so the Browns would take him. He played so poorly in training camp in Cleveland that the Browns, desperate for a placeholder quarterback, fired him anyway. He played so poorly in Denver in relief of Trevor Siemian that he was demoted the other day from number one to number three quarterback.
Osweiler is employed in the NFL today. Colin Kaepernick is not. It helps explain why so many people are rooting hard for Kaepernick’s longshot collusion case against the NFL.
5. I think I do not mean to be cruel, but this is the truth: Brock Osweiler has gotten two offensive coordinators (George Godsey, Mike McCoy) fired from two teams (Houston, Denver) in consecutive seasons. Also:
• Osweiler has played so poorly in Houston that he had to be traded to Cleveland along with a second-round pick so the Browns would take him. He played so poorly in training camp in Cleveland that the Browns, desperate for a placeholder quarterback, fired him anyway. He played so poorly in Denver in relief of Trevor Siemian that he was demoted the other day from number one to number three quarterback.
Osweiler is employed in the NFL today. Colin Kaepernick is not. It helps explain why so many people are rooting hard for Kaepernick’s longshot collusion case against the NFL.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Look closer and you'll see makeup hiding some pretty bad skin. Fake blonde, dark eyebrows. Meh.
Koya
Footballguy
I think calling him a "chump" says more about the one tossing out that accusation than it does him, but the business has every right to fire him.HellToupee said:
Their lack of respect for their employees right to free speech, however, legal as it may be, demonstrates they are the weaker willed, thinner skinned, not so respectful chumps, here, though.
But, it's certainly their right as a business owner to be just that.
Koya
Footballguy
This was your mistake.
Is what it is, my man. Keep my glasses off, remain under the romantic glow of the club's cheesy blacklights, and hope she's gone before I wake up.
OMG, please let her be gone before I wake up.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
Meh, I deserved that.
I'll retract the word Chumps from my comment, and leave it at weaker willed, thinner skinned people who don't respect the rights of their employees to free, peaceful speech (even if it's within their legal right)
We will see if @HellToupee does the same, but I'll admit fault here and try to come more correct. Thanks for pointing it out.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I'm just giving you crap man and thought it was funny. Chumps is fine with me on both sides.Meh, I deserved that.
I'll retract the word Chumps from my comment, and leave it at weaker willed, thinner skinned people who don't respect the rights of their employees to free, peaceful speech (even if it's within their legal right)
We will see if @HellToupee does the same, but I'll admit fault here and try to come more correct. Thanks for pointing it out.
Koya
Footballguy
It's all good - but you got me pretty good.
And maybe chumps is a bit much.
Unfeeling, petty, miscreants better?
If only there was a word for the opposite of plorable.
General Malaise
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
Meh, I deserved that.
I'll retract the word Chumps from my comment, and leave it at weaker willed, thinner skinned people who don't respect the rights of their employees to free, peaceful speech (even if it's within their legal right)
We will see if @HellToupee does the same, but I'll admit fault here and try to come more correct. Thanks for pointing it out.
I like the word chump .Not heavily used and old timey
HellToupee
Footballguy
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Is chump now a bad word too?
TakiToki
Footballguy
What a silly narrative, especially considering how 49ers coaches have fared the past couple years.
HellToupee
Footballguy
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
Take it up with Peter King, chump. He's fairly good at his job.
Too bad Chip Kelly and Jim Harbaugh can't find jobs. Oh, right....even Jim Tomsula gainfully employed.
Koya
Footballguy
I didn't get this gist (that he was their guest). If that is indeed the case, I totally take back what I've said on this one.
Koya
Footballguy
Being purposefully derisive is bad.
(and yes, I'm guilty myself and should do better).
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