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Personally, I think any student should take the most rigorous course load they can handle that is appropriate for their ability level.  Everyone is different.  I see students take 5 or 6 AP classes in  a year.  Some Breeze through it and some are ready for a mental institution halfway through.  Every student is different.  Ability, interest, intrinsic motivation, extra curricular time demands, having a job, home life,...there are so many factors that are part of the equation.  You and your daughter know your situation best and must make choices appropriate for your situation.

The TA thing seems rather odd to me for a HS student.  I have not really seen any sort of work-study program at the high school level including a TA type position.  Do they get paid?  Do they get some sort of credit like a class?  Or is this just an activity type thing like joining a club?  I would be very skeptical of a teacher who had a high school student grading papers for them.  As a teacher, I want to be the one assessing student work.  This is one of the main ways I can understand my students' needs and gauge their progress. I am not even sure that this would be legal as grades are typically confidential.  Teachers can't make student grades public to other students.  The tutoring part...no problem.   This can be a very rewarding experience, and I would highly encourage it.

ETA...whatever schedule you choose to go with, don't put so much emphasis on the grade (you or her).  This is where the stress comes from.  It is OK to get a "B", especially in AP classes.  Hell, for some, a "C" is a great accomplishment.  I understand wanting good grades, but grades should not be the focus.  Is she learning?  critically thinking? problem solving? collaborating?  communicating?  These are the life long attributes that will outlive any grades.  Choose courses that will advance these skills.

 
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Personally, I think any student should take the most rigorous course load they can handle that is appropriate for their ability level.  Everyone is different.  I see students take 5 or 6 AP classes in  a year.  Some Breeze through it and some are ready for a mental institution halfway through.  Every student is different.  Ability, interest, intrinsic motivation, extra curricular time demands, having a job, home life,...there are so many factors that are part of the equation.  You and your daughter know your situation best and must make choices appropriate for your situation.
That #### is nuts - let kids be kids. 

No one on their deathbed says "I wish I would have taken the most rigorous course load I could handle".

 
Personally, I think any student should take the most rigorous course load they can handle that is appropriate for their ability level.  Everyone is different.  I see students take 5 or 6 AP classes in  a year. 

The TA thing seems rather odd to me for a HS student.  I have not really seen any sort of work-study program at the high school level including a TA type position.  Do they get paid?  Do they get some sort of credit like a class?  Or is this just an activity type thing like joining a club?
Every school must be different.  Ours only offered three AP's in the junior year (English, Bio and History).  A few more are offered in the senior year.

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It is not a paid job, it takes the place of an elective course so they get credit for it.  A few kids get chosen every year.

I doubt they will be grading anything important, probably just checking over home work, things like that.

 
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For kids who chose to apply for early action, how much of senior year is looked at by the colleges?  It can't be much more than the first quarter (at least initially) because of the dates involved on when things are due and when college give their answers.

 
That #### is nuts - let kids be kids. 

No one on their deathbed says "I wish I would have taken the most rigorous course load I could handle".
That's not that nuts. AP/IB aren't necessarily that tough if you can handle them. For a decent enough chunk, non-AP classes are too boring to stay engaged in and grades slip. 

Everyone is different. My senior year AP courses were Calc BC, Stats, Spanish, Psych, Gov, Macroecon, English (forget which one), Env Science...and it didn't feel like that much. I played ball every night, for example, and was not unique in my course load. If you're working for hours a day on homework, then yeah you need to lighten up the classes and enjoy your life. If you're fine, then why makes change? 

I really bombed the Spanish AP exam at year's end though. Got a 2. I really suck at speaking other languages. Alternately, it's possible that that exam is super hard. I don't think that was it though. But just a heads up since the daughter in question is in Spanish iirc. 

 
That #### is nuts - let kids be kids. 

No one on their deathbed says "I wish I would have taken the most rigorous course load I could handle".
Its not for everyone - I certainly would not have had the discipline.  My younger daughter is in a program where they start taking AP classes as freshmen.  For the 2014 graduating class, they averaged 10 AP classes.  But, in this program, they skip the 4th grade curriculum, but not 4th grade - so they are always a year ahead, but they don't graduate early.  So, I imagine it just seems like another class for these kids.

 
Anyone have any experience with the ACT prep classes they offer? I'm wondering if they are worthwhile or just a waste of time/money. I'm leaning towards "they can't hurt", but really have no idea. 

 
Anyone have any experience with the ACT prep classes they offer? I'm wondering if they are worthwhile or just a waste of time/money. I'm leaning towards "they can't hurt", but really have no idea. 
Generally speaking... they work.  The approach of the test and how the questions are written are quite different from what happens in school.  An effective test prep class will greatly reduce the chances the student is surprised by anything on the exam.  

Tough to give a general review of the national companies that offer test prep because those are operated by franchisees who have a wide range of skill level as instructors themselves and their ability to attract and develop effective instructors underneath them.  In a vacuum I'd say Princeton Review's materials are more effective than Kaplan's and generally does a better job training instructors at the undergraduate level, but that can vary from city to city.  Barron's has the edge reproducing the toughest end of the test questions but are useless for a low achiever trying to boost up to national average.

You can spend a wiiiiiide range of money on this.  Might help to see if there's a specific goal from raising your ACT score, like qualifying for renewable instate tuition at a public university a ways away, or earning scholarship money at a school on your short list, or hitting the NCAA clearinghouse score for a D-I scholarship.  Easier to get buy-in and engagement from the student if there's a specific bar trying to be cleared.  

I'd advise against a one-off clinic or weekend standardized test prep boot camp.  Some of these techniques and practices take time and repetition to sink in.  I'd send the kid to a free practice exam before a one-day test prep clinic.  Just about any worthwhile test prep company or tutor will offer free practice exams they will grade in general and break down by question type to highlight potential weaknesses.  It's industry standard for the test to be offered for free, but having to sit through a sales pitch to get the score report.  It gives off a bit of a "time share in south Florida" vibe, but that's the nature of the beast.

Some shops will offer some sort of "Score Increase Guarantee".  Read the fine print.  Usually that guarantee isn't your money back, but a free retake of the course.  If you're breaking a tie between two shops to work with, go away from the one offering a guarantee.  The better shop won't need to offer one.     

So those are a few disjointed thoughts typed at different times between other tasks.  If anything didn't come across clearly or was too inside baseball, don't hesitate to ask.  I'm a couple years removed from working in test prep so I'm not up on the most recent changes to the SAT, but there are some parts of the business that haven't changed since it became a thing.

 
Thanks for all of the info! The class is being taught by the staff of his high school, not sure what materials they will be using. As far as buy-in, he emailed me the information...I didn't ask or know about it, so I'm hoping that means he is interested. His school did take a practice test a few weeks ago. I'm guessing he wasn't happy with his score, hence the interest here. The repetition should be there as it looks like the class consists of ten, 1.5 hour sessions. 

Thanks again Bruce! 

 
I really like the length of that program.  Fewer than 5-6 weeks and it's tough to cover enough material and let the work sink in.  A semester-long course is a death march.  8-12 weeks is ideal.  

My preferred session length was 90 minutes.  Sometimes 60 minutes could get derailed by a late arrival or distracted start.  Some students could handle 120 minutes but there was always some clockwatching that last quarter-hour.  90 minutes is a nice middle ground.  

 
Anyone have any experience with the ACT prep classes they offer? I'm wondering if they are worthwhile or just a waste of time/money. I'm leaning towards "they can't hurt", but really have no idea. 
All depends on where he's at with the test. If he's struggling with the time management aspect or just wants to become more familiar with the structure/content types, it's probably a solid investment. If he's interested in taking the class, that also helps (obviously). The class here is just a one-hit 4 hour seminar, and it's always on a vacation day - nobody wants to be there.

Personally, before taking the class I had already taken the ACT once, had done several practice tests, and wasn't having an issue with time - I thought it was a waste. My score increased one point (33 to 34) after taking it, but I can't really attribute that to anything I learned from the class.

 
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Anyone have any experience with the ACT prep classes they offer? I'm wondering if they are worthwhile or just a waste of time/money. I'm leaning towards "they can't hurt", but really have no idea. 
You've got some great advice so far, thought I'd add my experience.  My son is a lefty with ADHD, so the testing deck was stacked against him (incredibly outgoing, athletic and well adjusted, but testing crushed him in HS).  We knew that any classroom setting or storefront one on one option would likely be a waste of money, so we looked into a private tutor to come to our house.  My wife found a guy (a teacher in our school system) that parents seemed to rave about.  The guy was spendy and, frankly, I thought he was an ###hole and a waste of time and money and thought about canning him after each visit, but the end result was a 3 point gain from initial testing to retest. If it were just a point, I would have thought we'd ####ed the money away, but a 3 point gain made it all worth while.  So much so that it made the difference in which college my son got in to (the one he wanted all along).  He is now doing better than we expected there due to some solid tutoring support and a brainy girlfriend that keeps him on task.  So, I would gauge how a kid learns before picking an option.  And, test as close to the end of the class or tutoring as possible.  My son took one more stab at the ACT after being accepted to try and beef up the number for scholarship purposes and went backwards 2 points.

 
Anyone have any experience with the ACT prep classes they offer? I'm wondering if they are worthwhile or just a waste of time/money. I'm leaning towards "they can't hurt", but really have no idea. 
We shelled out for a tutoring center near us and we are happy with the result.  My daughter's ACT score dramatically improved over the various pretests she had taken.  She waited until this, her senior year, to take the test and she's taken it twice now, with a nice improvement from test #1 to test #2.  I've heard that a typical student's score plateaus with the third test but I think we're satisfied.

My daughter's center gave two hour classes with usually three kids total.  She liked almost all of the tutors.  I think my daughter needed the push and the structure that the sessions gave her.  We had purchased the online classes that the ACT offers but she had to be pushed to get at it.  I don't think she ever finished it.  

Waiting until her senior year may not have been the best or recommended move but she did have the summer to concentrate on prep and it paid off.   

 
@NewlyRetired  I stumbled across this looking for stuff for my daughter.  It's been a few years since this thread was started so I wondered how things panned out and if there were any lessons learned from this experience that you could pass along to a fellow FBG.

TIA

 
@NewlyRetired  I stumbled across this looking for stuff for my daughter.  It's been a few years since this thread was started so I wondered how things panned out and if there were any lessons learned from this experience that you could pass along to a fellow FBG.

TIA
My daughter ended up going test optional with her applications. 

The other college thread has a ton of good info in it on all sorts of college related topics.  I would recommend reading this one as much as you can digest.

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/746450-college-admissions-questions/

 

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