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WR Brian Thomas Jr., JAX (2 Viewers)
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eighsse2
Footballguy
Excuse my relative ignorance, but I'm assuming this is intended as a negative point, right? That is to say, you want someone prolific at as many routes as possible, and if one is prolific at many routes, he's probably being used frequently on many different routes, not largely three routes?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yes, intended as a negative. A lack of versatility.
rockaction
Footballguy
Don't forget that Pickens was and is nearly the exact same way with his routes. Go routes, curls, and hitches.
Actually, there are quite a few guys that fall into that category and why Brett Kollmann, who studies this as far as I can tell, is surprised is beyond me, really. Unless the numbers are just staggering, but they don't seem so.
Actually, there are quite a few guys that fall into that category and why Brett Kollmann, who studies this as far as I can tell, is surprised is beyond me, really. Unless the numbers are just staggering, but they don't seem so.
rockaction
Footballguy
So this guy lives in the end zone, huh? Just saw a highlight package. Has great acceleration from a dead stop. That's what jumped out at me. Will be interested in combine times.
He was making some catches that were pro catches. Like aerials with both feet in bounds. Even took a pass/jet sweep to the house from about ten.
Good stuff.
He was making some catches that were pro catches. Like aerials with both feet in bounds. Even took a pass/jet sweep to the house from about ten.
Good stuff.
Faust
MVP
Austin Abbott
𝗕𝗿𝗶𝗮𝗻 𝗧𝗵𝗼𝗺𝗮𝘀 𝗝𝗿. could 𝗧𝗥𝗨𝗟𝗬 be a 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗿 y’all
𝟲’𝟰, 𝟮𝟬𝟱 𝗹𝗯𝘀
It’s hard to 𝗳𝗮𝘁𝗵𝗼𝗺 just how fast he is (𝟰.𝟰𝟳) for his 𝘀𝗶𝘇𝗲, his 𝗲𝗳𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗶𝗲𝗻𝗰𝘆 was also 𝗢𝗙𝗙 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗿𝘁𝘀.
If the 𝗖𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗶𝗻𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶 𝗕𝗲𝗻𝗴𝗮𝗹𝘀 don’t want to pay 𝗧𝗲𝗲 𝗛𝗶𝗴𝗴𝗶𝗻𝘀, resetting that 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗶𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗹𝗼𝗰𝗸 is never a bad option. They could very well 𝗽𝘂𝗹𝗹 𝘁𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗴𝗲𝗿 with the 𝟭𝟴𝘁𝗵 𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗽𝗶𝗰𝗸.
Faust
MVP
Brian Thomas Jr has incredible spatial awareness.
He’s very good at making plays with very little room to work with and makes it look easy.
Easy slot fade, creates separation, both feet in bounds, and soft hands
If you give Brian Thomas Jr a chance to make a play, he’ll likely make it.
The ball tracking and spatial awareness to make this play in the back of the end zone in tight 1-1 coverage is
I’ll be drafting a lot of him in this upcoming rookie draft…
Another day, another Brian Thomas Jr big play.
This time it comes from his yards after catch skills and ability to make defenders miss.
Turns a 1st down into a 60+ yard TD making two defenders miss horrifically
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Whol is Doug Farrar? NFL Editor, USA TODAY Sports Media Group. What makes him an expert?
Edit to remove "Who the hell is...". It gives the impression I don't like Farrer, who I know nothing about.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Doug Farrar. He's been a football writer for a long time. He once wrote the Shutdown Corner thread over at Yahoo! He's been on the beat forever. I followed him on Twitter years ago but he seemed to have a political agenda, too, one that I won't get into.
He's generally a knowledgeable football guy in my estimation. Definitely somebody worth listening to.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don't feel like doing the research, but I wonder what his hit and misses have been on non-obvious players in the last 5 years.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't know. I think he knows his stuff more than your average football writer. That was always the impression I got.
Faust
MVP
Doug Farrar
Over 15 years of covering the NFL with the following bio on media outlets that have paid him to cover the NFL:
Doug spends countless hours watching tape, talking to scouts, his peers, and NFL team sources and he has 59,000 followers on X.
If that carries no weight for you, then perhaps the fact that the Associated Press includes him in the All-Pro and MVP voting might make a difference.
If after all of that you still feel that he has no expertise, then by all means, please feel free to disregard his content.
Over 15 years of covering the NFL with the following bio on media outlets that have paid him to cover the NFL:
Doug has also written about the NFL for the Athletic and he Has been accredited to attend the Senior Bowl for numerous years.
Doug spends countless hours watching tape, talking to scouts, his peers, and NFL team sources and he has 59,000 followers on X.
If that carries no weight for you, then perhaps the fact that the Associated Press includes him in the All-Pro and MVP voting might make a difference.
If after all of that you still feel that he has no expertise, then by all means, please feel free to disregard his content.
rockaction
Footballguy
This isn't Daniel Kelly, who is busy getting mocked on Twitter these days for his hot takes. I'm not the only one who noticed.
Farrar's observations have always carried weight with me. Even though he's been wrong at times, he's pretty knowledgeable.
Farrar's observations have always carried weight with me. Even though he's been wrong at times, he's pretty knowledgeable.
Faust
MVP
Watching Seahawks offensive line tape with Hall of Famer Walter Jones
Here is an example from 2018 where HoF Walter Jones sat down with Doug to watch tape with him on offensive line play.
Here is an example from 2018 where HoF Walter Jones sat down with Doug to watch tape with him on offensive line play.
Maybe we pump the brakes a tad...I saw this post in massraider's analytics thread and figured it was really a Brian Thomas post especially since we're falling back a tad to reality from Doug Farrar analysis above.
Faust
MVP
Apologies here fellow members of the FBG community for derailing the thread for a few minutes.
@JohnnyU adds a lot of great stuff at times and a perfect example is the thread that he kicked off on the 2024 RB class that has generated some great discussion.
I felt the need to showcase that Doug Farrar has some degree of credibility in my opinion; however, everyone has a right to disagree with that take.
Scouting NFL players coming into the league is never an exact science. Doug Farrar is perhaps not quite on the level of say someone like Dane Brugler or Daniel Jeremiah; however, even those guys get it wrong and for that matter the actual NFL has a significant swing and miss rate with early rounds - never mind mid and late round picks.
Success rates on their views are not what I get caught up with - especially when it’s a scouting report that is only one data point in the spectrum and not even a writer sticking their neck out making a call on the outcome if a player will be a hit or a miss in the NFL.
Now back to the discussion about Brian Thomas Jr.
@JohnnyU adds a lot of great stuff at times and a perfect example is the thread that he kicked off on the 2024 RB class that has generated some great discussion.
I felt the need to showcase that Doug Farrar has some degree of credibility in my opinion; however, everyone has a right to disagree with that take.
Scouting NFL players coming into the league is never an exact science. Doug Farrar is perhaps not quite on the level of say someone like Dane Brugler or Daniel Jeremiah; however, even those guys get it wrong and for that matter the actual NFL has a significant swing and miss rate with early rounds - never mind mid and late round picks.
Success rates on their views are not what I get caught up with - especially when it’s a scouting report that is only one data point in the spectrum and not even a writer sticking their neck out making a call on the outcome if a player will be a hit or a miss in the NFL.
Now back to the discussion about Brian Thomas Jr.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'm sure you already have this information, so who are the WRs, both hits and misses the last two or three years for Farrer? Even though they has their misses, I prefer to guys like Matt Waldman or Greg Cosell.
Faust
MVP
Yeah, I don’t have the spare time to track that but I do know that I do find that Doug’s content is pretty thoughtful and detailed and I track it because I find it worthwhile to read. Feel free to disagree.
Can I asked you what you did not like about what Doug wrote that provoked you to question his expertise?
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Or why more weight is placed on other people's non-professional opinion?
brewer
Footballguy
Google is your friend
Touchdown Wire's Doug Farrar 2023 NFL Draft Big Board Player Rankings | NFL Mock Draft Database
Touchdown Wire's Doug Farrar compiles a big board college football player rankings list for the 2023 NFL Draft.
www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com
Thanks Faust for all you do, appreciate the time and effort that you put into these boards.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I didn't say I disliked his take, but probably shouldn't have said "Who the hell is ....". That implies I don't like him. , I said, "What makes him an expert?" I don't know anything about him and probably should since several like him. I just asked what are his hits and misses the last few years in order to learn more about him.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not a IDP guy on the first one, but he definitely had his misses in the 2nd one. Also, not much of a leap on Breece Hall #1, who didn't?Google is your friend
Touchdown Wire's Doug Farrar 2023 NFL Draft Big Board Player Rankings | NFL Mock Draft Database
Touchdown Wire's Doug Farrar compiles a big board college football player rankings list for the 2023 NFL Draft.
Fantasy football rookie dynasty rankings for the 2022 draft class
It’s Breece Hall and then everyone else. Check out our rookie dynasty rankings for fantasy football.touchdownwire.usatoday.com
Thanks Faust for all you do, appreciate the time and effort that you put into these boards.
Edit: Oh wait, that isn't a Farrer article in the 2nd one. Some guy named Hickey.
brewer
Footballguy
Oops, sorry, removed that one
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I would really like to hear who others believe is their top 5 WRs in this class. It seems like a consensus for the top 3 with MHjr, Nabers, and Odunze. Who is 4 and 5? Do you have someone that replaces one of the top three? I highly doubt that however. Who is 4 and 5?
Faust
MVP
I think that a very solid argument can be made that he’s in the conversation for that spot.
Faust
MVP
Daniel Jeremiah's top 50: 2024 NFL Draft prospect rankings 1.0
Excerpt:
DJ currently has him as WR #4 and the #15 prospect overall.
Excerpt:
DJ currently has him as WR #4 and the #15 prospect overall.
massraider
Footballguy
The consensus boards and Grinding the Mocks have Thomas and Coleman at 4/5.
Which is........ whatever. Just a data point right now.
I think during the pre-draft process, people will emerge, but it feels close enough that the order after the top 3 will have as much to do with the team drafting as to where they are ranked by the media.
socrates
Footballguy
I have Brian Thomas, Jr. (LSU) and Troy Franklin (Oregon) penciled into the 4-5 spots right now, but this is a deep, talented class.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
The draft will decide for us, as it often does.
Faust
MVP
Bucky Brooks' top five 2024 NFL Draft prospects by position 1.0: Jayden Daniels at QB2 over Drake Maye
Bucky currently has Keon Coleman at #4 and Brian Thomas Jr. at #5 - I don’t personally agree with that order; however, Bucky watches a lot more film than I do and he’s way more plugged in to the scouting community than I am.
Bucky currently has Keon Coleman at #4 and Brian Thomas Jr. at #5 - I don’t personally agree with that order; however, Bucky watches a lot more film than I do and he’s way more plugged in to the scouting community than I am.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I like that 4 and 5. Another WR I'm keeping my eye on is Ladd McConkey. The guy is always open and his YAC looked good to me when I watched him. Also hearing some good buzz about Roman Wilson.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Repeating what someone said in another thread, I think N'Keal Harry has spooked a lot of fantasy folks regarding Coleman. I personally think he has many warts, but is a great jump ball guy.
He's possibly the thinnest skinned man alive.
I'm not exaggerating one iota when I say I've been on twitter pretty much since it started and he's the only person to ever block me and it was over absolutely noting, for sure not insults. Told me a lot about him and I don't think I'm missing much.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Bucky is out of his mind. There's 3,4,5,6 WRs I take above Keon. Easily.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
He had been writing professionally for about as long as you have been posting in this forum.
So yeah you should know something about him by now.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Im sorry, but I didn’t for whatever reasons, probably best to get back to the subject of this thread.
massraider
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
So was quentin last year. This guy is the same squirrel in the same tree.
massraider
Footballguy
Hey i might agree
I'm only pointing out that everyone has Coleman there.
Which is simply a function of the fact that Coleman has been there all year.
If I could make one prop bet right now, it would be to take the Over on whatever his draft slot currently is set at.
By the draft, Coleman will be outside Bucky's top 5, I am sure.
rockaction
Footballguy
I fully believe that. He would go off on tangents that were sideways pretty often. His political temperament (not his policy preference, but his demeanor about it) turned me off. I don't follow him anymore because he was caustic towards a lot of people and things.
But other than once saying that Ronald Jones was the eleventh best RB in the league, which partially prompted me to trade for him, he's usually pretty good in his assessment. Except when other issues come into play. Like Justin Fields's processing time at OSU. Fields had critics, and Farrar accused that line of thinking of being a product of old-time racism. I hated that, and wrote about it at length on these boards.
So yeah, he's a knowledgeable guy, but what sort of agenda are you getting seems to be a legitimate question when appropriate.
This is in no way to cast doubt upon him because I've seen much lesser writers all over the place making much greater mistakes and for much worse reasons than Farrar has. At least that's in my estimation. This guy isn't Daniel Kelly.
