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Colts Firesale, anyone buying? (1 Viewer)
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Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Their value is so low, I'm not even trying to sell. Though I'd gladly get out while I can, I just can't.
Nick Nasty
Footballguy
Thankfully the only Colt I drafted in all 3 of my leagues was just Garcon in once of them. If he doesn't perform, I'll drop him for some prospect sleeper. If he does perform, I'll trade him for some better prospect
Edit: At least this is how it plays out in my mind. I should have enough dumb people in my leagues that will buy.
Edit: At least this is how it plays out in my mind. I should have enough dumb people in my leagues that will buy.
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JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
I know people dont care about my team or matchup...
But the guy I'm playin thought his best strategy would be to draft only 3 wrs, and thought it even better to make them all Colts since they play Houston Wk 1 (Wayne, Garcon, Collie)....I hope that Idea turns out to be as bad as it looks.
...carry on.
But the guy I'm playin thought his best strategy would be to draft only 3 wrs, and thought it even better to make them all Colts since they play Houston Wk 1 (Wayne, Garcon, Collie)....I hope that Idea turns out to be as bad as it looks.
...carry on.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
LOL, every league has that one guy...but watch him win.That is a terrible strategy, enjoy your win.
mjr
Footballguy
I picked up Collens in one league hoping he can be a servicable bye week filler if Manning is out for the year. Other than that, I don't have any other Colts players except for Addai who rarely makes my starting lineup anyway. Ill give him a couple of weeks to see how he does, but its most likely going to be the waiver wire for him. Im not buying on any others.
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
I am in the same exact situation. I don't have a lot invested in Garcon (WR4 or 5), so I can afford to wait and see.
leave a whisper
Footballguy
i have Collie as my WR3....im gonna give it a few weeks before i panic (besides, my #4 L.Moore is hurt).
3nOut
Footballguy
I drafted Wayne as my WR2 and considered moving him before Manning's news but now I've changed my mind. Wayne's numbers have been on the decline the past few years with Manning looking for other outlets and spreading the ball around more. Now with Manning out and Collins new to the system, I think Wayne, being the most experienced receiver for the Colts, will be heavily relied on by Collins. I think Wayne is a good buy low candidate that you can can get quite cheaply from a scared owner. The other Indy Colts WRs I'm not so sure about though.
Reepicheep
Footballguy
Really hoping Collins leans hard on D.Clark. 
packersfan
Footballguy
I have Garcon and am waiting it out. He no longer has WR2 upside like he would with Manning but it's possible he could at least be a serviceable WR3. I think he's a talented guy and while I'm no Collins fan he's not completely inept so some production will be delivered in the passing game while he starts. I'd view Wayne as a low-end WR2. I'd start him this week and see how things go. Same with Clark unless I had another stud TE. I'm not as big on Collie as others but I can see people rolling with him as a WR3 and hoping for the best. I wouldn't start Addai in any league if I could avoid it. The Colts couldn't run the ball with Peyton; I see little reason to believe their running game will improve with Collins at QB.
Shutout
Footballguy
There's the voice of reason in a sea of chicken littles.of course the Colts won't be the automatic Top-5 type of players they have been for so long but their demise is being seriously over thought/assumed. collins will make the team different but its not like he is Matt leinart or derek anderson. And the Colts may not be a good NFL team but even bad NFL teams often have very good Fantasy plays (Browns/Broncos/Raiders, etc).The fringe players take a huge hit because the offense isn't going to stay out there long enough to give them the opportunities that made them so attractive. But Wayne should be fine and he actually might be BETTER in PPR than he has been the past couple seasons (which is already pretty danged good. He's always top 7 or better in my PPRs). Clark I am on the fence because I can see the idea of him being a security blanket but I can also see him being asked to block more. And clark's game isn't the traditional security blanket role a TE will see because he is up the field as much as anyone.So, yes, temper expectations with Collie and Garcon and watch closely on Clark, but Wayne is going to be fine FF-wise. And, if nothing else, if you believe my line of thought, you may as well buy now because if any of these guys are serviceable weekly starts, you KNOW when Manning comes back they all get a huge boost in perceived value.
jackdubl
Footballguy
That's either no news or bad news. Nothing good happens that fast.
zamboni
Footballguy
Definitely holding onto Carter.I think people are prematurely burying the team, but if they do lose Manning for the year and falter badly, they may want to see what they have with Carter for the future.
Cool in the pocket
Footballguy
Sounds good in principle if you can somehow get to the playoffs. Are we convinced he's coming back?
Cenobite
Footballguy
I'm looking to pick up D. Clark on the cheap. I think Manning's absence hurts Collie and Garcon the most. While Wayne and Clark's numbers will be impacted I still believe they will have solid stats. with Collins.Really hoping Collins leans hard on D.Clark.
packersfan
Footballguy
I think Carter is a great Buy Low or Waiver Wire pickup if you can make it. Addai is a pretty safe bet to miss time and Carter looks to be next in line. Even if the offense is struggling, a starting RB carries value. At the very least, Carter should be a decent RB3 if he is the starter. I'd take that on my bench.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Vinatieri and Clark are worth holding, not sure about anyone else.
Huge hits across the board.
Huge hits across the board.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
What are the chances that after getting acclimated maybe 2-3 weeks into the season Collins actually becomes decent at QB, making Addai & Colts WR's themselves mid-WR3 (at least) decent starts?
People keep acting like this is Painter & Sorgi - it's not.
People keep acting like this is Painter & Sorgi - it's not.
packersfan
Footballguy
Collins passed for at least 235 yards in each of his final four starts last season for the Titans. Nobody is going to confuse Tennessee's talent in the passing game with Indy's anytime soon. So yes, I think Collins has a chance to at least be decent and the Indy receivers (and Clark) could at least be respectable. I don't see this being a full-scale wipeout of value like we've seen with Steve Smith in Carolina the past few seasons. Clearly, everyone suffers a huge hit without Manning. But while Collins isn't great, he's hardly inept. I would not be surprised at all to see Wayne be a WR2, Clark a low-end TE1, Garcon a serviceable WR3 and Collie a potential serviceable WR3 as well. This team isn't going to morph into a running team in my opinion primarily because they don't run the ball well. They will throw it a lot so the sheer volume of attempts lends itself to Collins likely not being an epic fail in my opinion.
dagwood
Footballguy
I would be a buyer of Collie/Garcon/Wayne/D.Clark at firesale prices.
It won't as bad as everyone appears to think. The colts will still throw a lot. And the Colt receivers will still catch a lot of passes. TD count may be down a bit. But give me a deep discount and I will take any of the above gladly.
It won't as bad as everyone appears to think. The colts will still throw a lot. And the Colt receivers will still catch a lot of passes. TD count may be down a bit. But give me a deep discount and I will take any of the above gladly.
dagwood
Footballguy
The Colts aren't built to run the ball a lot and run it well. They are still a pass first team.
fightingillini
Footballguy
Depends on the price. I would buy Addai very cheap and have some extra depth at RB......IND is going to run the ball more, but the problem is.....they suck at running the ball. So the price for Addai has to be very cheap.
I would also buy Wayne, Collie or D Clark if the price is very low. I would suspect Clark or Wayne won't be traded extremely cheap, but Collie......I would definitely buy him and stash him on my bench if the price was real cheap.
Collins is going to have to throw a lot for IND to stay competitive. I expect all IND WR to take a hit, but it may not be as much as you think. The real issue is can Collins stay upright? Manning was the best in the game at reading the defense and getting rid of the ball quickly. It definitely is possible that Clark or Addai may have to help protect Collins and that could really affect their numbers.
If your IND, you better be giving Garrard a call.
I would also buy Wayne, Collie or D Clark if the price is very low. I would suspect Clark or Wayne won't be traded extremely cheap, but Collie......I would definitely buy him and stash him on my bench if the price was real cheap.
Collins is going to have to throw a lot for IND to stay competitive. I expect all IND WR to take a hit, but it may not be as much as you think. The real issue is can Collins stay upright? Manning was the best in the game at reading the defense and getting rid of the ball quickly. It definitely is possible that Clark or Addai may have to help protect Collins and that could really affect their numbers.
If your IND, you better be giving Garrard a call.
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packersfan
Footballguy
I agree but if he gets 15 or so touches a game as the starter (a very reasonable assumption), he will have value. Every starting RB in the league has some value in my opinion. I'll take a Buy Low RB3 right now and stash him away for later in the season.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
I came in here to post that you were totally wrong and they'd not reach 8 although I'm seeing 7 not impossible wins there. Fair play.1 Sep 11 IND @ HOU Lose2 Sep 18 CLE @ IND Win3 Sep 25 PIT @ IND Lose4 Oct 03 IND @ TB Lose5 Oct 09 KC @ IND Win6 Oct 16 IND @ CIN Win7 Oct 23 IND @ NO Lose8 Oct 30 IND @ TEN Win9 Nov 06 ATL @ IND Lose10 Nov 13 JAC @ IND Win11 Bye 12 Nov 27 CAR @ IND Win13 Dec 04 IND @ NE Lose14 Dec 11 IND @ BAL Lose15 Dec 18 TEN @ IND Win16 Dec 22 HOU @ IND Lose17 Jan 01 IND @ JAC Lose
VaTerp
Footballguy
Time will tell but I think you are seriously underestimating Manning's value to this football team. I liked Addai as my RB3/flex in PPR because of his receptions and TD potential. Both take severe hits IMO with Collins at the helm. As for the the WRs, I could see Wayne and Clark not suffering too bad as Collins is a veteran and should be able to get the ball to his two best options. But I think guys like Collie and Garcon will see their value drop significantly as well.What Manning does at the LOS in getting the Colts into the right play will not be easily replicated and was a BIG part of the Colts success IMO. I said it before and I will say it again, I don't think any single player is as instrumental to their team's chances of winning as Peyton Manning.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I own Collie in one dynasty and Wayne in another. I thinking people are making this into more than it is. Sure, anyone in their right mind would prefer Manning to Collins, but its not like Collins is incapable of producing like a professional QB. His receivers and running backs weren't useless during his time in Tennesse and outside of running back he has a far superior cast than any he had with Tennessee (or anywhere else for that matter). I haven't tried to sell either one, nor do I plan to as I predict no one will want to pay anything for them. I'll still start Wayne confidently each week, while I may wait and see on Collie.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Depending on how low the prices go, I'd be interested in most of the Colts. Although I'd be less interested in Wayne and Garcon because I think they were more reliant on Manning's accuracy.
Banger
Footballguy
there is a 0% chance that Wayne gets more than his 111 catches from last year with Collins under center.
Banger
Footballguy
I couldn't disagree with you more....there is no single person more important to their entire team than Manning is to the Colts. Look at the line in Vegas and how much it changed when he was confirmed out. They are in the bottom 5 teams in the league without him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I do agree with this in that it will hurt the Colts as an NFL team tremendously. I see a 7 win team at best if Manning is out all year. I don't think they become a fantasy wasteland though. There have been far worse teams and QBs that have been useful in fantasy. The persective on what to expect just needs to be altered.
Shutout
Footballguy
But a great chance he still catches 80 or so and has more Tds, yards, etc. So, lets say he goes 77/1448/11. that is exactly what Brandon Lloyd did last year and ended up #1 in a lot of PPRs. Very obtainable.The overall point being that Collins, unlike Manning, will rely heavier on the main guys so it could help Wayne in FF. 77 catches out of wayne and double digit TDs...very doable.
Whats the trade value right now for Colts players?
I've been offered Eli Manning for Peyton in one league where my backup is Sanchez, not sure if I should pull the trigger at this point.
I'm also mulling offering Ryan Grant for Wayne in another league where the owner is starved for RB, not sure if that's good value or not.
I've been offered Eli Manning for Peyton in one league where my backup is Sanchez, not sure if I should pull the trigger at this point.
I'm also mulling offering Ryan Grant for Wayne in another league where the owner is starved for RB, not sure if that's good value or not.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Depends on the league. In a 12-team league with few QBs on the WW, I think I'd take Eli for Peyton.And if Grant was my 3rd or 4th RB.....and I needed WRs.....I'd take Wayne in a heartbeat.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
I think this is going to be epicly bad for all the Colts. Two weeks ago, Kerry Collins was sitting at home not planning to play this season. Is he physically ready to play an entire football game? This is also a brand new offense to him, and he's got no chemistry with any of the receivers.
As stated earlier in this thread, the Colts aren't built to run the ball. When Collins was in Tennessee, he had Chris Johnson in the backfield. The Colts don't have anything like that. This offense is also predicated on Manning making decisions at the line and getting rid of the ball quickly. With two weeks of practice how far along can Collins' be in the learning curve?
My guess is this offense is going to look a lot like the Panthers did last year. Horrible. I don't think they'll win more than a few games this year if Manning is out for the season.
As stated earlier in this thread, the Colts aren't built to run the ball. When Collins was in Tennessee, he had Chris Johnson in the backfield. The Colts don't have anything like that. This offense is also predicated on Manning making decisions at the line and getting rid of the ball quickly. With two weeks of practice how far along can Collins' be in the learning curve?
My guess is this offense is going to look a lot like the Panthers did last year. Horrible. I don't think they'll win more than a few games this year if Manning is out for the season.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I have been trying to sell Addai for a while now with zero takers. Not b/c I am scared of the Colts due to Manning, but simply b/c I need a RB upgrade & have WR depth to sell with him.
I own Wayne as my WR1 in one league & WR2 in another. Not trying to sell him. I don't believe that he will be useless. I expect Collins to lean on him a lot.
I own Wayne as my WR1 in one league & WR2 in another. Not trying to sell him. I don't believe that he will be useless. I expect Collins to lean on him a lot.
Banger
Footballguy
But it's not as if Manning didn't rely heavily on Wayne last year. He had 111 catch nearly 1400 yards and 6 tds...I don't see him approaching those receptions or yards perhaps he could improve on tds but that's a coin toss IMO with a healthy Clark in the mix. You have a theory that Collins will rely heavily on Wayne but what is that based on? They could just as well more to a 2 TE formation and spread the wealth between 5 wr's/TE's. I just can't figure out a scenario where any Colt is more valuable without Manning than with. He is so good at reading defenses, altering plays, changing formations, dictating the pace of the game, keeping drives alive, etc. and to go from him to Collins is a humongous dropoff. At this point Wayne is not an explosive player and he doesn't make his plays by creating separation or being a dominant wr going up for balls and making athletic plays. Wayne's value was/is that he plays for Manning and Manning has precise timing and knows exactly where he is at all times. That won't be the case with Collins...they don't have that repore and they aren't going to get anything close to that with a shortened camp and the few snaps that Collins has had. I know people are trying to look for a silver lining but I don't think there is one.'Shutout said:
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