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Colts Owner Jim Irsay Arrested on Suspicion of DUI (1 Viewer)

Goodell should suspend him for the season and the team should forfeit a 1st round pick. You gotta send a message that no one is above the law.

 
domvin said:
Punishment handed down from Goodell.

Indianapolis must trade Andrew Luck for Geno Smith.

That will teach him.
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Rehab to take place at the Ford Center....

... the Rob Ford Center, which is actually located in Rob Ford's basement where he must live for the next year.

 
Polian was on ESPN, he used to work for him. He expected the legal machinery would need to take its course first, but acknowledged a fine seems inevitable.

 
cstu said:
If your QB is gone and you wanna win on.

Cocaine.

Don't think think you're ####ed, you can get Luck.

Cocaine.
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Braktastic said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Goodell should suspend him for the season and the team should forfeit a 1st round pick. You gotta send a message that no one is above the law.
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Didn't they already do that when they traded for Trent Richardson.
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Actually the Frank Zappa song "Cocaine Decisions" comes to mind.

 
Another Owner Is In Trouble. Does The NFL Have A Culture Problem?

Every offseason, a concentrated run of player arrests inevitably results in critics bemoaning the NFL's "culture." They conveniently forget that NFL player arrest rates are well below normal by every metric, and that legal problems aren't confined to those on the field.

Just since the start of last season, we've seen the Vikings owners found liable for "organized-crime type" fraud, the Browns owner facing a possible federal indictment, and today, Colts owner Jim Irsay arrested and charged with DUI and possession. Seems like a pattern to me.
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fatness said:
As a secondary issue, there's now the question of what commissioner Roger Goodell will do once he collects all the pertinent information. I can promise you the NFL Players Association will watch this closely. Will the commissioner come down as hard on Irsay as he does the league's players? In 2010, Detroit Lions president Tom Lewand drew a 30-day suspension, $100,000 fine and performed community service after pleading guilty to driving while impaired. It wouldn't shock me if Goodell suspends or metes out some sort of harsh punishment against Irsay.
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http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/kravitz/2014/03/17/kravitz-irsay-fighting-for-his-life-needs-help/6523925/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=Lewand wasn't the guy driving naked, was he?
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He was on his way to the draft.
 
KellysHeroes said:
I think a huge fine is coming, $100,000 or more
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Tom Lewand president of the Lions got a DUI in 2010 and got 100K fine and suspended from working with the team for 30 days. Don`t know how Goodell could enforce the working thing. Irsay as the owner should get a 500K fine.

 
False Start said:
Drive while drunk once you deserve to never drive again seeing as how "Don't Drink and Drive" is a well known rule in society and life.

Every person who gets arrested for a DUI ever - "Gee officer I was hammered and knew I shouldn't drive but I was trying to sneak home without getting pulled over or kill someone, I will never do it again, even though I knew I should have never done it in the first place because this would happen."
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I would never get along with this guy!!!

 
Da Guru said:
KellysHeroes said:
I think a huge fine is coming, $100,000 or more
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Tom Lewand president of the Lions got a DUI in 2010 and got 100K fine and suspended from working with the team for 30 days. Don`t know how Goodell could enforce the working thing. Irsay as the owner should get a 500K fine.
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I remember Bud Adams got 100k for giving the finger, on camera, to fans. But I'm not sure what they actually can reforce on an owner since hes not an employee. Figure if they hit him w/ 200 or 100k it would be enough for him to pay and not fight it while the NFL can say they punished him.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
wdcrob said:
Wow... can you imagine the "THUG" cries if ~10% of the NFL's players were arrested on drug charges and/or involved in massive fraud?

There must be some difference between the owners (Irsay, Wilf, Haslam) and the players to have such disproportionate coverage in the press -- but I just can't figure out what it white be.
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Prejudice much? I think it's more of an elite vs non-elite thing rather than white vs black. Really man?
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Or a sample size thing.

 
PatsWillWin said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Goodell should suspend him for the season and the team should forfeit a 1st round pick. You gotta send a message that no one is above the law.
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What does suspending an owner involve? Is he not allowed to own things for a year?
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Again with this question, is it not obvious that the commish can suspend Irsay from being around the team and involved in daily operations like he has other front office execs, coaches and owners?

 
Da Guru said:
I think everybody knew all those crazy tweets at 2-3am were alcohol fueled. Irsay is only 54?? looks 70 in that mugshot.
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Here is a photo of Irsay the day Peyton Manning was drafted. Manning came out in 1998. Jim Irsay was born in 1959. In this photo, Jim Irsay is 39.

http://www.turbodaddy.net/badschotz/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Peyton-Manning-with-Jim-Irsay-1998-NFL-Draft_photo_medium.jpg

He looks 57-60.

Here is Jim Irsay in 1984 at the press conference where they first moved from Baltimore. He is 25 in this photo. His father Bob Irsay is at the podium.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-510c0da5/turbine/bal-sp.irsay13p120090326130211

 
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Goodell’s Irsay Problem

Peter King

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Colts owner Jim Irsay faces four felony counts of possessing a controlled substance and a DWI charge. He’s subject to the same personal conduct policy as NFL players, but will the commissioner be the same disciplinarian when punishing one of his bosses?I’ve been listening to people in and out of my business talk about the Jim Irsay story over the past 24 hours and I’ve heard a couple of themes: This is going to be a very tough disciplinary call for Roger Goodell because Irsay’s one of his bosses … and … the players are going to be watching this case to see if Goodell is as tough on one of his 32 employers as he is on the players.

I’m not buying that this decision will keep the commissioner up at night. I don’t think this is going to be a tough call for Goodell.

History says it won’t be, even though Goodell has never had to discipline an owner for substance abuse or driving while impaired in his eight years on the job. Irsay was arrested in Indiana early Monday and charged with operating a vehicle under the influence. He was also charged with four felony counts of possessing a controlled substance; police found prescription drugs that weren’t prescribed to him in the car he was driving. Irsay is due in court next week to address the charges.

This is the sort of case few commissioners have had to deal with. The fact that Irsay has a substance-abuse problem that results in such a public black eye for the league and for himself is a sad story, and it could have been a tragic one: Who knows if this was the first time that Irsay—allegedly—has driven while impaired? He said in a 2012 interview about his sobriety that he has spilled more alcohol than the interviewer has drank, a line many in recovery have used. But Bob Kravitz of the Indianapolis Star quoted a source with knowledge of Irsay’s situation as saying, “He’s a sick, sick man. He desperately needs help.”

The first step here will be for Irsay to deal with the law, and to get the help he needs. Then Goodell will step in with discipline. An owner is subject to the personal conduct policy the same as a player. What we don’t know right now is whether Irsay has done anything prior to this point to be put on notice by the league. That, obviously, would make the potential league sanction worse.

But Goodell’s history shows he short on sacred cows. I once saw an exasperated Steelers owner, Dan Rooney, who was Goodell’s biggest champion when he ran for commissioner in 2006, tersely complain to him that he was too hard with his fines on Pittsburgh players. Patriots owner Bob Kraft remained a close ally after Goodell—rightfully—took a first-round pick away from New England and fined Kraft’s coach and organization $750,000 over Spygate. Goodell fined the late Tennessee owner, Bud Adams, $250,000 for making an obscene gesture to a crowd in Nashville in 2009. And he stripped New Orleans owner Tom Benson of his coach for the 2012 season, and his GM for half the season, after a long investigation into a bounty system with the Saints.

The closest case to Irsay’s was in Detroit in 2010. Club president Tom Lewand was arrested for driving while intoxicated, and Goodell gave him a 30-day suspension from his job (later reduced to 21 days because Lewand complied with all the recovery steps the Lions and the league mandated) and a $100,000 fine.

Goodell knows everyone is watching the Irsay case. He knows he’s going to have to be compassionate but tough on Irsay. I think he will be. I think anyone who can strip a playoff team of its coach for a year isn’t going to have a hard time disciplining an owner if he’s found guilty of crimes as serious as felony drug possession and driving under the influence.

What’s the right punishment, if Irsay is guilty? A fine, certainly. But I can tell you from knowing Irsay that a fine won’t be such a big deal. Banning him from being around his team for a period of time would be much worse. Irsay loves being around his team. He loves being an owner. He loves the life, and what he can do for people because of that life. For goodness sakes, he tweets transactions. He gives out tickets in Twitter contests. When a former Colts beat writer, Len Pasquarelli, was ready to be discharged from a Phoenix hospital after bypass surgery while covering the Super Bowl in 2008, Irsay sent word that he wanted to ferry Pasquarelli home to Atlanta on his private plane, with a nurse on board. On Monday, Pasquarelli wrote about that for a story on his site, pickthedraft.com, just to show people that Irsay is a big-hearted guy who, obviously, has some demons.

I think a fine plus a suspension from any team-related activities will likely be Goodell’s discipline if the charges against Irsay are true. And if true, the discipline will certainly be justified.
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A sports law and ethics expert, as well as a source familiar with NFL operations, told The Indianapolis Star that the policy could lead Goodell to also ask about Irsay's relationship and associations outside of the Colts, including with an Indianapolis woman with a drug history of her own — a woman who died of a suspected drug overdose two weeks before Irsay's arrest. Her body was found in a $139,500 townhouse Irsay gave her last August.
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Like Irsay, Kimberly Wundrum, 42, had a history of drug problems before she died March 1

Wundrum's sister, Rhonda Wundrum, who has worked as Irsay's personal masseuse, said in an email her sister and Irsay were "former friends" but did not elaborate. A former neighbor of Kimberly Wundrum told The Star that Irsay sometimes visited Kimberly Wundrum, and that she once introduced the team owner to him.

"I cannot speak for them, and Kim cannot speak for herself," Rhonda Wundrum said. "My sister was a kind, loving and gentle person who had a long struggle, and her attempts to rise above her struggles were not successful."

Kimberly Wundrum was arrested twice on drug charges in the seven months before her death. She was arrested Aug. 30 in Miami County, Ohio, on charges of operating a vehicle while intoxicated and felony drug possession. Police found her with 18 "nonprescribed Vicodin ... and 0.6 grams of crushed, nonprescribed Adderall."

On Jan. 4, she was arrested in Boone County on charges of possession of a controlled substance, operating a vehicle while intoxicated with drugs in her system and criminal recklessness after she was stopped driving the wrong way on I-65 and almost hitting a police car.

Her drug-related ties go back years. While she was married to an attorney in Florida, he pleaded guilty in 1997 to federal tax charges and was sentenced to 15 months in prison for failing to report $364,000 in transactions he conducted for a man identified in court documents as a drug dealer. They were divorced in 2003, and he died in 2005 of a drug overdose.

While investigating the scene of Kimberly Wundrum's death, a police report lists evidence gathered at the scene as an "orange plate w/white powder, straw, razor." They also found photographs of Irsay in the home of the former homecoming queen candidate at Brownsburg High School in 1990.
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identikit said:
More trouble, maybe:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/06/irsays-situation-gets-more-complicated/
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Last week I took some major heat for dragging Irsay into the DeSean thread and people getting all bent out of shape because I said, "Until Goodell drops the hammer" on Irsay and we get some sort of measuring stick for this off season that fans should not be piling on Jackson. I would absolutely suspend Irsay for the season, the guy is totally out of control and a major pill popper at best, what's worse? How about drug trafficking since he has the money to either do it himself or prop up folks underneath him to pedal it and take whatever he wants. If he goes unpunished or given a 2-4 games suspension then it is absolute horse manure!!!

In fact, Goodell should step down from this problem and assign a special legal team like what happened in Miami. And Goodell since he makes his money from the owners should not be able to weigh in on final say here, it's a total conflict of interest here. I'm sorry not everyone views the NFL as outrageously as I have over the past many seasons but the hypocrisy since Goodell took office starting with hammering down on the players, rule changes to appeal to the masses, embracing the pink uniforms and breast cancer for an entire month to appeal to more women, outlawing many hits that would have landed present Hall of Fame players out of the league, suspending the entire New Orleans Saints coaching staff and part of the front office, trying to pull one over on former players who have brain trauma to the point a judge repealed the agreement saying it wasn't nearly enough...if you can't come down on Irsay facing four felonies and other details that make him look like the drug kingpin of Indianapolis then I would move or vote for fan outcry and a grassroots movement to throw this turd out of office.

It's time for fans to stop pretending this sport is one step from the pearly gates because it sure as hell isn't. If not FF I don't think the popularity would be nearly what it is and in many ways, FF has destroyed a lot of the game. It's the main reason besides hard core gambling(it's under the umbrella) that keeps rating thru the roof on a week night between 2 teams most folks don't really care about.

Irsay should be suspended for a year right now, then after a legal investigation it should be possible or on the table that he MUST sell the team. He should no longer be allowed in the league. If you are going to rip players a new one on a constant basis and push old skool fans to the brink of not wanting to watch this watered down BS any more, then at least be a man and do the right thing here. Irsay does not deserve to own the Colts, period. You can argue the other way till your blue in the face but it only makes you as big a hypocrite as Roger Goodell and push the double standard further.

You want to drink and cuss on Sunday in the fall, live out your fantasy of being an owner thru FF because you will never own one of the 32 teams in the NFL, make something in your life meaningful because real life is so painful as you move along and realize it isn't gonna get much better...fine fine fine but be honest about it and stop carrying the NFL shield around like you are part of some Roman Army and acting all righteous because you're not.

Football like almost anything else in this world has become spoiled because of the almighty dollar. From the owner to the player to the guy scalping tickets, it's all become one cesspool of crap.

 
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Its a 'cesspool' of humanity, reflecting many of society's same shortcomings and great strengths. Lots of the players and front office people have drug, alcohol, violence and every other kind of human failing, just as do some percentage of non-football players. Why would they not? I don't think anyone is trying to paint it as pearly anything.

At the same time, if you own or run a major industry, you are forever trying to clean up your act and put your best face forward - customers and people who deal with you appreciate that. Most people prefer to deal with classy operations. Particulary where the players are some level of role model or hero (ignoring whether or not they should be) the NFL works pretty hard on its image, despite the reality of having thousands of employees at various levels and with all of their foibles.

In an industry where success depends a great deal on the games being played fairly and on the public being able to rely of the teams playing on level field, keeping steroid and hormones out of the picture, as well as recreational drugs, is pretty vital to the game being fair and parents sharing it with their kids. That's a good reason to try and keep it as clean as can be. Having the owners stay clean is not nearly as vital to the fairness of the game. I am a lot less worried about an owner or executive abusing than a player. I just don't see a lot here to get all that worked up about. Do you not come across people with flaws in your daily life?

 
Is this the thread where we act surprised that billionaires are held to different standards than the rest of the world?

 
The problem with billionaires with addiction issues is that they are enabled into worsening their disease. What they need is consequences for their actions so that they feel the cause and effect of substances on their life. There is no problem that alcohol or drugs won't make worse.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
identikit said:
More trouble, maybe:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/06/irsays-situation-gets-more-complicated/
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Last week I took some major heat for dragging Irsay into the DeSean thread and people getting all bent out of shape because I said, "Until Goodell drops the hammer" on Irsay and we get some sort of measuring stick for this off season that fans should not be piling on Jackson. I would absolutely suspend Irsay for the season, the guy is totally out of control and a major pill popper at best, what's worse? How about drug trafficking since he has the money to either do it himself or prop up folks underneath him to pedal it and take whatever he wants. If he goes unpunished or given a 2-4 games suspension then it is absolute horse manure!!!In fact, Goodell should step down from this problem and assign a special legal team like what happened in Miami. And Goodell since he makes his money from the owners should not be able to weigh in on final say here, it's a total conflict of interest here. I'm sorry not everyone views the NFL as outrageously as I have over the past many seasons but the hypocrisy since Goodell took office starting with hammering down on the players, rule changes to appeal to the masses, embracing the pink uniforms and breast cancer for an entire month to appeal to more women, outlawing many hits that would have landed present Hall of Fame players out of the league, suspending the entire New Orleans Saints coaching staff and part of the front office, trying to pull one over on former players who have brain trauma to the point a judge repealed the agreement saying it wasn't nearly enough...if you can't come down on Irsay facing four felonies and other details that make him look like the drug kingpin of Indianapolis then I would move or vote for fan outcry and a grassroots movement to throw this turd out of office.

It's time for fans to stop pretending this sport is one step from the pearly gates because it sure as hell isn't. If not FF I don't think the popularity would be nearly what it is and in many ways, FF has destroyed a lot of the game. It's the main reason besides hard core gambling(it's under the umbrella) that keeps rating thru the roof on a week night between 2 teams most folks don't really care about.

Irsay should be suspended for a year right now, then after a legal investigation it should be possible or on the table that he MUST sell the team. He should no longer be allowed in the league. If you are going to rip players a new one on a constant basis and push old skool fans to the brink of not wanting to watch this watered down BS any more, then at least be a man and do the right thing here. Irsay does not deserve to own the Colts, period. You can argue the other way till your blue in the face but it only makes you as big a hypocrite as Roger Goodell and push the double standard further.

You want to drink and cuss on Sunday in the fall, live out your fantasy of being an owner thru FF because you will never own one of the 32 teams in the NFL, make something in your life meaningful because real life is so painful as you move along and realize it isn't gonna get much better...fine fine fine but be honest about it and stop carrying the NFL shield around like you are part of some Roman Army and acting all righteous because you're not.

Football like almost anything else in this world has become spoiled because of the almighty dollar. From the owner to the player to the guy scalping tickets, it's all become one cesspool of crap.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/05/sports/pro-football-citing-nfl-espn-cancels-playmakers.html
 
Not Good!

A woman who died of a suspected drug overdose was found in a townhouse owned by Jim Irsay two weeks before his DUI arrest.

Much like Irsay, Kimberly Wundrum, 42, had a history of drug problems. They were acquainted through Wundrum's sister, Rhonda, who was the Colts owner's personal masseuse. The Indianapolis Star has uncovered several documents that link them closely. Commissioner Roger Goodell is going to have a lot of questions for Irsay when he considers how severely to punish him under the league's Personal Conduct Policy.
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False Start said:
Not Good!

A woman who died of a suspected drug overdose was found in a townhouse owned by Jim Irsay two weeks before his DUI arrest.

Much like Irsay, Kimberly Wundrum, 42, had a history of drug problems. They were acquainted through Wundrum's sister, Rhonda, who was the Colts owner's personal masseuse. The Indianapolis Star has uncovered several documents that link them closely. Commissioner Roger Goodell is going to have a lot of questions for Irsay when he considers how severely to punish him under the league's Personal Conduct Policy.
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Uhm, Rog isn't the only one who's going to have a lot of questions for him.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
And Goodell since he makes his money from the owners should not be able to weigh in on final say here, it's a total conflict of interest here. I'm sorry not everyone views the NFL as outrageously as I have over the past many seasons but the hypocrisy since Goodell took office starting with hammering down on the players, rule changes to appeal to the masses, embracing the pink uniforms and breast cancer for an entire month to appeal to more women, outlawing many hits that would have landed present Hall of Fame players out of the league, suspending the entire New Orleans Saints coaching staff and part of the front office, trying to pull one over on former players who have brain trauma to the point a judge repealed the agreement saying it wasn't nearly enough...if you can't come down on Irsay facing four felonies and other details that make him look like the drug kingpin of Indianapolis then I would move or vote for fan outcry and a grassroots movement to throw this turd out of office.
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One of those things is very much unlike the others.

 
This is fascinating to watch th NFL s... nothing.

False Start said:
Not Good!

A woman who died of a suspected drug overdose was found in a townhouse owned by Jim Irsay two weeks before his DUI arrest.

Much like Irsay, Kimberly Wundrum, 42, had a history of drug problems. They were acquainted through Wundrum's sister, Rhonda, who was the Colts owner's personal masseuse. The Indianapolis Star has uncovered several documents that link them closely. Commissioner Roger Goodell is going to have a lot of questions for Irsay when he considers how severely to punish him under the league's Personal Conduct Policy.
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How is the city reacting to this cluster? I'm only half paying attention and just off the top of my head the issues seem to overwhelmingly paint a picture that he shouldn't own this team. Didn't he win a lawsuit with a sibling to inherit the team? Can the NFL give to the other family member/s?

 
Ryan Clark critical of how the league is handling this situation

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/21/ryan-clark-handling-of-irsay-shows-hypocrisy-of-the-nfl/

“So when has having enough information been what Roger Goodell waits for to make these decisions?” Clark said on “First Take.” “When does a charge necessarily warrant the penalty? We’ve seen in so many cases, Roger Goodell be judge and jury when it comes to players,” Clark said. “So here we have Jim Irsay, a guy, an owner, who has history of substance abuse, who’s found in a car with over $29K and prescription drugs that weren’t in his name, pulled over for driving under the influence, and now we’re saying we need more information? What more information do we need than these aren’t your prescription pills? You’re obviously under the influence. You have $29k. There would be no questions asked if this was a player.”
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At one point, the officers had Irsay sit on the hood of a squad car because they were concerned he might fall.

"Mr. Irsay about fell to the ground as he was stood up from the police vehicle hood," the sergeant wrote in a supplemental report.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/05/23/jim-irsay-indianapolis-charged/9505317/

In 2002, Irsay admitted undergoing treatment for prescription drug abuse. That revelation came after his name was linked to a federal and local investigation involving possible prescription drug fraud by a local plastic surgeon.

Irsay never was charged, and issued a statement at the time addressing his personal situation. It said that during "long bouts of chronic pain" after operations he "became dependent on prescription pain medication."

During that investigation, a retired Indianapolis detective told The Star she had conversations with Irsay regarding possible prescription drug problems as far back as 1995. An NFL spokesman acknowledged at the time Irsay had "discussed his medical issues with commissioner (Paul) Tagliabue on several recent occasions."

Irsay has only occasionally discussed his past addiction issues.

In a 2005 interview with Star columnist Bob Kravitz, Irsay described the 2002 stint in rehab as "my greatest moment."

"When you're brushing up against a potentially fatal disease and you're able to heal yourself and move forward, that's your finest hour, not your darkest or most regrettable," Irsay said.

"The main thing is, there was a problem; I took care of it. ... Some people aren't as lucky to pull through this."
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24671630/jim-irsay-trial-postponed-moved-from-august-to-october

Jim Irsay trial postponed, moved from August to October

By John Breech / CBSSports.com

August 21, 2014 03:12 PM ET

Jim Irsay was originally scheduled to face trial on Aug. 28, but thanks to a continuance, that date has now been pushed back two months. The new trial date for the Colts owner is scheduled for Oct. 30, according to the Associated Press.

Irsay is facing two misdemeanor counts of impaired driving stemming from his arrest on March 16. Officially, Irsay has been charged with operating a vehicle while intoxicated and operating a vehicle with a controlled substance in the body.

The Colts owner is alleged to have had "oxycodone and/or hydrocodone" in his system when he was arrested. If Irsay loses his trial, he could face a maximum of 60 days in prison for each charge and he's also subject to a possible $500 fine.

Although Irsay hasn't faced trial yet, he has already been hit with one punishment: His license has been suspended for a year. Irsay refused a blood test on the night of his arrest and Indiana law requires a one-year suspension of a driver's license for anyone who refuses to take a blood test.

Irsay will also likely be facing a punishment from the NFL. ESPN.com reported over the summer that commissioner Roger Goodell would likely suspend Irsay anywhere between six and eight games.

 
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Irsay plea deal coming.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11432818/indianapolis-colts-owner-jim-irsay-reaches-plea-deal

Colts owner Jim Irsay has reached a plea agreement in his impaired driving case, the Indianapolis Star reported Friday, citing court officials.

Details of the agreement were not immediately released. Irsay was arrested in March on two misdemeanor charges and was scheduled for an Oct. 30 trial.

But the Star, citing online court records, reported that a change of plea hearing has been scheduled for Tuesday.

"I cannot provide any details of -- or even verify the existence of -- an agreement unless and until one would be tendered to the Court at such a hearing," Andre Miksha, a spokesman for the Hamilton County prosecutor, told the Star.

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Once a plea agreement is reached, it would allow NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to begin rendering punishment for Irsay.
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