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Come Back Player of the Year. (1 Viewer)

Carter_Can_Fly

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Mine is Javon Walker. This guy has returned to elite level and is one of the main reasons Denver is where they are especially with the inconsistent play of Plummer.

What a great move by the Broncos organization getting this guy.

 
I think the front-runners are going to be Walker and Grossman.

I think Kitna would have a shot, if the Lions were winning more.

 
Kellen Winslow is having a nice season after missing 2 entire years of football.
:goodposting: I debated between him and Pennington - both have overcome a ton just to be playing at the level they are playing at, even if it is not the level they were at pre-injuries.
 
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Deuce McAllister down?

I think Grossman will run away with it, but McAllister deserves it more.

 
What about Brees, I know he didn't miss anytime last season but he's come back from a serious shoulder injury to play a huge role in that offense. Having a great season.

 
What about Brees, I know he didn't miss anytime last season but he's come back from a serious shoulder injury to play a huge role in that offense. Having a great season.
Naw - he didn;t have any down timeinthe regukar season last year - he was HUGE last year and he is repeating his performance. OTOH, he should be considered a shoo-in for the Pro Bowl in the NFC and he will probably win the team's MVP award over McAllister.
 
By position:

QB - Chad Pennington - Did anybody even draft his guy? (also Jon Kitna, Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, Steve McNair)

RB - Ahman Green - mid round steal in a lot of drafts (Deuce McAllister, Brian Westbrook)

WR - Javon Walker - number 1 in points in my league for receivers (Andre Johnson, Terrell Owens)

TE - Kellen Winslow Jr - can he make it through a whole season? (Desmond Clark, Eric Johnson)

K - Morten Andersen - still wears Ken Stabler's old shoulder pads from when they were teammates in N.O.

Def - Ravens - defense is main reason why they're in first place (Vikings, Charges)

 
Winslow has never been anyplace to have come back from.

Walker, Grossman, Pennington, Ahman green-if he keeps it up.
Under that criteria. you might as well remove Grossman from your list.
And you might as well take it away from Drew Brees from when he won it a couple years ago.
Ummmm, not true - Brees' second year:320 att. 526 compl. 3284 yards 17 TDs

His third year, he got injured and played only 11 games and had these nmbers:

205 att. 356 compl. 2108 yards 11 TDs

His fourth year he went to the Pro Bowl - I'd call that a comeback.

 
It is what it is said:
Mine is Javon Walker. This guy has returned to elite level and is one of the main reasons Denver is where they are especially with the inconsistent play of Plummer.What a great move by the Broncos organization getting this guy.
:goodposting: Javon Walker2005 Stats4 Receptions27 YardsJavon Walker2006 Stats39 Receptions669 Receiving Yards5 Touchdowns120 Rushing Yards1 Touchdown789 Total Yards6 Total TouchdownsWalker is on pace for 1,500+ yards and 12 touchdowns. I think Walker wins this hands down at this point...
McAllister is easily as impressive, and McAllister had a supposedly career threatening injury last year, and he is the sentimental favorite seeing as he is from New Orleons, is hands down a model NFL citizen, had injuries every year the last few years, and had a much more devastatsing injury than Walker.2005:93 rushes 335 yards 3.6 YPC 3 rush TD 18 targets 17 catches 117 yards 0 rec. TDs2006:111 rushes 487 yards 4.4 YPC 5 rush TDs 21 targets 17 catches 109 yards 0 rec. TDs596 total yards 5 total TDs - whlie SPLITTING time, he is on pace for 1192 total yards and 10 TDs.
 
ps - not saying Walker doesn't deserve it, just that he is not a hands-down front runner for the award.

 
Deuce is easily as impressive as Walker - compared to what the Saints were last year????

And his injury was potentially career threatening - Walker had a year long boo-boo that most WRs can come back from (ACL surgery that happened in game one)

It was a question mark whether Deuce would be ready to play at all this year.

Comeback player of the year is like MVP - stats don't tell the whole story.

Deuce is a MUCH bigger sentimental favoritew than Walker - Walker went to a team that ALREADY had a great offense, and he went to a new team. McAllister is certainly as much (or more) a *comeback* player, even if Walker ends with better stats.

 
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And, BTW, you can't say Walker's on pace for 1500 - if you really think Walker's gonna have 200 rush yards this year, you are smoking crack.

 
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Andre Johnson is another that warrants consideration in my opinion. Thought of as an up-and-coming young star prior to last season, he was injured and just generally disappointing as he turned in a mediocre year. This year, he's returned to form and is putting up some great numbers - already surpassing his 2005 numbers.

 
In order to be a comeback player, you have to be coming back into a previous form you hadn't had in some time. Preferably because of a career threatening injury.

No to Javon Walker, Rex Grossman, Kellen Winslow (although I'd take him over Walker and Grossman) and a lot of other names mentioned in here.

Pennington was left for dead and is putting together a nice season. I'd rank Kitna second under Pennington, because he is only coming back from backup QB status.

Ahman Green is probably 3rd because of the nature of his injury.

None of these guys are to be confused with Robert Edwards though.

 
Kevin Jones

2005...664 yards, 3.6 ypc...20 receptions, 109 yards...5 total TD's.

2006...584 yards, 4.3 ypc...41 receptions, 296 yards...7 total TD's

On pace for almost 1800 total yards, 80+ receptions and 14 TD's this season, not too shabby after last years disaster.

 
Andre Johnson is another that warrants consideration in my opinion. Thought of as an up-and-coming young star prior to last season, he was injured and just generally disappointing as he turned in a mediocre year. This year, he's returned to form and is putting up some great numbers - already surpassing his 2005 numbers.
:goodposting: I forgot about Johnson. Heck, most people did coming into this season. He and Walker are the frontrunners, in my mind.
 
If you want to add a defensive player to the list, how about Ken Hamlin. He had a his skull cracked, brain clots, etc when he was beat up with a street sign last year. They weren't sure he would ever play again. Now he has 39 tackles, 2 ints, 2 sacks, 1 ff (before the MNF game).

 
It is what it is said:
Deuce is easily as impressive as Walker - compared to what the Saints were last year????And his injury was potentially career threatening - Walker had a year long boo-boo that most WRs can come back from (ACL surgery that happened in game one)It was a question mark whether Deuce would be ready to play at all this year.Comeback player of the year is like MVP - stats don't tell the whole story. Deuce is a MUCH bigger sentimental favoritew than Walker - Walker went to a team that ALREADY had a great offense, and he went to a new team. McAllister is certainly as much (or more) a *comeback* player, even if Walker ends with better stats.
What does last years Saints team with no Marques Colston, no Reggie Bush, no Sean Payton, playing with an injured Joe Horn and playing under a defensive coach (Haslett) have anything to do with this comparison?If any team has had a great offense this year, it's New Orleans, not Denver. Brees>PlummerColston or Horn>Smith
so what?That is not what the folks who choose the award will be considering - they donlt restrict it to this year - they CAN'T to make a comeback player award. They will be looking at a guy who was hurt with a not unusual season ending injury and showed NOTHING prior to getting hurt last year (Walker) versus a RB who has had injury after injury, year after year, finally putting together a great season (McAllister OR Green, for that matter).The more I think about it, the more Walker doesn't DESERVE the award - he did nothing more than any player who got an ACL injury did - he recovered after a year. He diodn;t surprise anyone with a comeback - he got injured, he got well, he played as expected - end of story.I think Kitna, Grossman, McAllister and Green are the front runners for this award. Just getting hurt and coming back on time is NOT what the award is all about - Grossman, Green and McAllister were not only injured, but they played enough last year to show that hey were "down" as players and were at a position to have to "come back" - and their teams are doing WAY better than expected primarily due to THEIR play.Broncos were suposed to be a front running AFC team, which is exactly what they are.And if you think that stuff doesn't go into the award, you are living in a shell.
 
P.S. - I don't mean Walker was nothing prior to injury, I mean he had no time last year to show anything - he was hurt on the first play from scrimmage, as I recall.

When Brees won it, he had played 11 games th eyear before.

If you look atcomeback players, they are generally players that were once good, were "down" the next year or next few years, and then came back.

Coming back from injury as expected won't do it in most cases.

 
Andre Johnson is another that warrants consideration in my opinion. Thought of as an up-and-coming young star prior to last season, he was injured and just generally disappointing as he turned in a mediocre year. This year, he's returned to form and is putting up some great numbers - already surpassing his 2005 numbers.
I don't disagree with this.As for your avatar, however, that's pretty damn disturbing.
 
A. Green. This was a RB that people thought was washed up before he was injured. After his injury, he was written off completely. Grossman and Huard are surprises not comeback players. A. Johnson also warrants some serious consideration.

 
Another name to throw out there:

Travis Henry

He'd need a few more good games to pull it off, but he could easily fit the profile.

 
It is what it is said:
And, BTW, you can't say Walker's on pace for 1500 - if you really think Walker's gonna have 200 rush yards this year, you are smoking crack.
You can easily say Walker's on pace for 1,500 yards if you consider that his targets have steadily been increasing and his steady increase in production to this point. Walker has been averaging close to 100 yards a game receiving ...there is no reason why this won't continue.
That's fine - but you projected out by including his rushing numbers - 100+ rush yards will NOT Be repeated into the 2nd half of the season. WR's rushing the ball is simply not a common part of Denver's game plan.

In case anyone was wondering:

1972 Earl Morrall, QB Miami

1973 Roman Gabriel, QB Philadelphia

1974 Joe Namath, QB NY Jets

1975 Dave Hampton, RB Atlanta

1976 Greg Landry, QB Detroit

1977 Craig Morton, QB Denver

1978 John Riggens, RB Washington

1979 Larry Csonka, RB Miami

1980 Jim Plunkett, QB Oakland

1981 Ken Anderson, QB Cincinnati

1982 Lyle Alzado, DE LA Raiders

1983 Billy Johnson, WR/PR Atlanta

1984 John Stallworth, WR Pittsburgh

1985 No Selection

1986 Tommy Kramer, QB Minnesota and Joe Montana, QB San Francisco

1987 Charles White, RB LA Rams

1988 Greg Bell, RB LA Rams

1989 Ottis Anderson, RB NY Giants

1990 Barry Word, RB Kansas City

1991 Jim McMahon, QB Philadelphia

1992 Randall Cunningham, QB Philadelphia

1993 Marcus Allen, RB Kansas City

1994 Dan Marino, QB Miami

1995 Jim Harbaugh, QB Indianapolis

1996 Jerome Bettis, RB Pittsburgh

1997 Robert Brooks, WR Green Bay

1998 Doug Flutie, QB Buffalo

1999 Bryant Young, DT San Francisco

2000 Joe Johnson, DE New Orleans

2001 Garrison Hearst, RB San Francisco

2002 Tommy Maddox, QB Pittsburgh

2003 Jon Kitna, QB, Cincinnati

2004 Drew Brees, QB San Diego

2005 Teddy Bruschi, LB New England and Steve Smith, WR Carolina
Accodring to Wikipedia:
The player named Comeback Player of the Year shows perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance.
Under that criteria, Walker should not even be considered for the award - his injury was deifnitely NOT severe - dozens of NFL players regularly come back from the same injury the next year and play at their prior level.
 
In order to be a comeback player, you have to be coming back into a previous form you hadn't had in some time. Preferably because of a career threatening injury.

No to Javon Walker, Rex Grossman, Kellen Winslow (although I'd take him over Walker and Grossman) and a lot of other names mentioned in here.

Pennington was left for dead and is putting together a nice season. I'd rank Kitna second under Pennington, because he is only coming back from backup QB status.

Ahman Green is probably 3rd because of the nature of his injury.

None of these guys are to be confused with Robert Edwards though.
I'm confused... didn't both Walker and Winslow sit out all of last year because of injury?Pennington is having a nice season but nothing compared to Walker's outstanding season.

someone mentioned McNabb... I think he has to get some seriuos thought.

 
Yes - every one of those players had SEVERE injuries.

Walker = run of the mill season ending injury - dozens of players get that injury every year.

 
As Rightetti's thread points out, ACL injuries = not a big deal any more:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=271211

Walker had an entire year to get healthy and he was not very good in the first few games. So, after more than a year, he is back to his prior level.

How is that "overcoming significany adversity"

I swear, the more I examine the recipients of the award, the more I am convinced Walker won't get more than passing consideration for the award.

If you get an injury, it has to be an injury that has a reasonable chance of you never returning to your prior form - that WAS the case with SS's injury, that was NOT the case with Walker's

When there are several folks who overcame significantly greater adversity to return to the NFL and play at a hihg level, Walker looks more and more of a loser's bet to win the award.

 
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Yes - every one of those players had SEVERE injuries.Walker = run of the mill season ending injury - dozens of players get that injury every year.
You will have to show me a failure success rate being higher from the comeback player of the year winners I listed, than from Walker's acl injury. Because I do not believe it. Several of the comeback players of the year did not even have an injury. Vinny Testaverde for just one (QB) recovered from a worse achilles injury than Marino. Tell me how Steve Smith's broken leg was worse than Walker's acl.
I already did - but Marino's RUPTURED Achilles was considered a career threatening injury.SS's broken leg was considered to potneitally end his abiility to run with the speed he had prior to the injury - pluss SS led the league that year for WRs. Walker is not likely to lead the league this year.EWalker did what he was supposed - take a year+ and return to his former level.As for players who wre not injured winning the award, don't be daft - the award is designed to be won by players who were not injured, but had poor performances or were not in the NFL the prior year and overcame adversity to come back.Walker overcame nothing - ACL injuries are one of the easiset injuries for modern players to come back from. Heck, they are walking around and working out within a month of the injury - SS was in a cast for 6-8 weeks and then had to overcome atrophy.Walker was on a stationary bike 3 weeks after the surgery and into his rehab.
 
As Rightetti's thread points out, ACL injuries = not a big deal any more:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=271211

Walker had an entire year to get healthy and he was not very good in the first few games. So, after more than a year, he is back to his prior level.

How is that "overcoming significany adversity"

I swear, the more I examine the recipients of the award, the more I am convinced Walker won't get more than passing consideration for the award.

If you get an injury, it has to be an injury that has a reasonable chance of you never returning to your prior form - that WAS the case with SS's injury, that was NOT the case with Walker's

When there are several folks who overcame significantly greater adversity to return to the NFL and play at a hihg level, Walker looks more and more of a loser's bet to win the award.
then how can you put Kitna on your list - all he did is sit behind the leagues best QB last year - not because of poor performance - but because he was QB2 not QB1. I don't think you can win a comeback player award for simply moving on to a different team and becoming the starter.
 
As Rightetti's thread points out, ACL injuries = not a big deal any more:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=271211

Walker had an entire year to get healthy and he was not very good in the first few games. So, after more than a year, he is back to his prior level.

How is that "overcoming significany adversity"

I swear, the more I examine the recipients of the award, the more I am convinced Walker won't get more than passing consideration for the award.

If you get an injury, it has to be an injury that has a reasonable chance of you never returning to your prior form - that WAS the case with SS's injury, that was NOT the case with Walker's

When there are several folks who overcame significantly greater adversity to return to the NFL and play at a hihg level, Walker looks more and more of a loser's bet to win the award.
then how can you put Kitna on your list - all he did is sit behind the leagues best QB last year - not because of poor performance - but because he was QB2 not QB1. I don't think you can win a comeback player award for simply moving on to a different team and becoming the starter.
:yes: That is overcoming adversity - see when Kitna first won the award.

 
Either way - I don't think Kitna would be the QB frontrunner - Pennington, Grossman, and McNabb are probably topping that list.

 
If you want to add a defensive player to the list, how about Ken Hamlin. He had a his skull cracked, brain clots, etc when he was beat up with a street sign last year. They weren't sure he would ever play again. Now he has 39 tackles, 2 ints, 2 sacks, 1 ff (before the MNF game).
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Chad Pennington

Who has overcome more adveristy then this guy? QBs make a living off of their arm (and people critisize his to begin with):

- Tears his rotator cuff and still should have led the Jets to the AFC Championship game in 2004 if Doug Brien doesn't blow two game winning FGs against Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh.

- Has offseason surgery.

- Battles back and the Jets allow him start again before they should have and he re-tears his rotator cuff in Week 3 of the 2005 season.

- Jets change everything up top going into 2006 with a new GM, new head coach, new offensive coordinator, trade for Patrick Ramsey, draft a QB at #35 overall in the draft, etc.

- Chad shines in all offseason workouts, training camp, etc, and wins the starting job.

- Currently has the NY Jets, a team that everyone laid to rest before the season (just like they laid Chad to rest) at 4-4 despite the fact that they have the statistically 3rd worst defense in the NFL.

Comeback Player of the Year for 2006 = Chad Pennington. :thumbup:

 
Of the names mentioned I like Pennington, McNabb and Kitna, but I think Deuce is the guy who deserves it most. It really looked like he was all done.

I don't understand Grossman even being mentioned - he's never been anywhere to come back from in the first place, just like Winslow.

 
Marc, you're digging yourself into a pretty deep hole here. I'm not even going to bother throwing dirt on you, as I'm sure many others will do it for me. Good luck getting out, though.

 
Walker had an entire year to get healthy and he was not very good in the first few games. So, after more than a year, he is back to his prior level.
Actually, he's better than his prior level, and with a significantly inferior QB, on a team that runs the ball a lot more.
 
Marc, you're digging yourself into a pretty deep hole here. I'm not even going to bother throwing dirt on you, as I'm sure many others will do it for me. Good luck getting out, though.
go for it - there is not a single player on the comeback awards list with as easy to heal from injury as Walker's.And IIWII, you sdeem to have your facts incorrect - any ruptured achilles injury is considering career threatening - and Marino's was very bad. Marino said he heard a pop and felt the tendon ROLL UP to the back of his knee.I don't know about Testaverde's injury, but I remember the news about Marino's being potentially career threatening - Lavar Arrington just had Marino's exact same injury and is now done for his career.
 

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