Comedian Louis CK admits to sexual harassment of several women (1 Viewer)

[TheFanatic]

They have every right to be disgusted by his performance. Why do you have a problem with that? 

When someone says they think his comeback is in poor taste, or that he shouldn't be performing - they're just stating their opinion, no different from you. It's not like he's going to be legally barred from performing or anything. 

I didn't say they couldn't have an opinion. I said that there will likely be a lot of them pushing that opinion on others. Everyone has a right to their opinion. Sadly, in this age, most feel they can push theirs on others. 

 

[Shark Week]

B.S.

It happened, Kev:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-louis-ck-manager-production-company-20171114-htmlstory.html

 

[Shark Week]

I didn't say they couldn't have an opinion. I said that there will likely be a lot of them pushing that opinion on others. Everyone has a right to their opinion. Sadly, in this age, most feel they can push theirs on others. 

Define "pushing an opinion." 

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I get where you’re coming from here, I do. At the same time, I just don’t know what else he could have reasonably done to create a consensual experience here.  In asking them to go to his hotel room to have a drink, they said yes. Once there, he asks if they can watch him do his thing, they accept. They don’t leave. They don’t express any concern at the time.  

As adults, what more could he have done?  That’s my question. He didn’t presume they were ok with sexual activity just by coming to his room, he went a step further and asked them once there if they were on board with what he had in mind. If that’s not an acceptable level, what more needs to be done. There will be a million hookups in hotels this weekend among colleagues, friends, and acquaintances.  Ideally, each one of these would be handled with the same level of care where the person initiating asks permission. 

Louis C.K. acknowledged his actions with these women were non-consensual. I agree its somewhat nuanced, and its obviously not some form of physical, forcible assault, but it seems obvious to me this was never a matter of mutual consent.

 At the time, I said to myself that what I did was O.K. because I never showed a woman my #### without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your #### isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. 

This is his spin on it.  Just reading this, and not even considering the womens' version of these events, I think its readily apparent these were not consensual sexual encounters.  It was him forcing his kink on an unwilling participant.

 

[bigmarc27]

Louis C.K. acknowledged his actions with these women were non-consensual. I agree its somewhat nuanced, and its obviously not some form of physical, forcible assault, but it seems obvious to me this was never a matter of mutual consent.

This is his spin on it.  Just reading this, and not even considering the womens' version of these events, I think its readily apparent these were not consensual sexual encounters.  It was him forcing his kink on an unwilling participant.

...and if that’s the case, then there’s a big problem here.  I really think there’s somewhat of a responsibility here on his part to spell this out.  Having “power” over a person is vague at best. Did he mean physical power?  I doubt it.  Was he exploitative?  Having information on that changes the narrative in a big way. 

 

[NotSmart]

Louis C.K. acknowledged his actions with these women were non-consensual. I agree its somewhat nuanced, and its obviously not some form of physical, forcible assault, but it seems obvious to me this was never a matter of mutual consent.

This is his spin on it.  Just reading this, and not even considering the womens' version of these events, I think its readily apparent these were not consensual sexual encounters.  It was him forcing his kink on an unwilling participant.

People are arguing against what Louis literally said in his apology:   :(

At the time, I said to myself that what I did was O.K. because I never showed a woman my #### without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your #### isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. 

 

[CletiusMaximus]

...and if that’s the case, then there’s a big problem here.  I really think there’s somewhat of a responsibility here on his part to spell this out.  Having “power” over a person is vague at best. Did he mean physical power?  I doubt it.  Was he exploitative?  Having information on that changes the narrative in a big way. 

I don't think its that complicated. Its obviously not physical power.  These are women who've put everything in their lives into the intensely competitive world of stand-up comedy.  He's among the most famous and powerful comedians in the world at the time, starring in and producing multiple successful television shows and headlining massive arena shows.  Just bringing them along as opening acts on his tour can completely change their lives. He can put them on television shows and set them up for multiple years of steady work.  Alternatively, if someone pisses him off, he could destroy them professionally.

 

[parasaurolophus]

...and if that’s the case, then there’s a big problem here.  I really think there’s somewhat of a responsibility here on his part to spell this out.  Having “power” over a person is vague at best. Did he mean physical power?  I doubt it.  Was he exploitative?  Having information on that changes the narrative in a big way. 

he says he had power over them because they admired him.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I don't think its that complicated. Its obviously not physical power.  These are women who've put everything in their lives into the intensely competitive world of stand-up comedy.  He's among the most famous and powerful comedians in the world at the time, starring in and producing multiple successful television shows and headlining massive arena shows.  Just bringing them along as opening acts on his tour can completely change their lives. He can put them on television shows and set them up for multiple years of steady work.  Alternatively, if someone pisses him off, he could destroy them professionally.

Not back in 2002 he couldnt. Pootie Tang. 

 

[JuniorGong]

If this was Dane Cook instead of Louis CK  nobody is defending his actions in here.

 

[Shark Week]

If this was Dane Cook instead of Louis CK  nobody is defending his actions in here.

You're under-estimating how much misogyny there is in this thread.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Does the man ever get to resume making a living again? I get the ostracising that he has endured, but how long does he have to sit on the sidelines before he is allowed back to try and earn some money on his craft?

Now do this about Kevin Spacey.

 

[zoonation]

Mysogyny just soaking the walls of this thread right now.  Oof.  

 

[Daywalker]

Do you think the predicament was more about not wanting to disappoint someone they admire, want to be friends with, moreso then fear of damaging their career?

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Do you think the predicament was more about not wanting to disappoint someone they admire, want to be friends with, moreso then fear of damaging their career?

i think they were probably shocked.  Maybe thought he was joking until he started wanking.  

 

[The Big Guy]

Now do this about Kevin Spacey.

Spacey gets added to the Cosby and Weinstein category of people who are going to jail, or should be. Huge difference in level of crime.