Coming off injury....Curtis or Engram (1 Viewer)

[xenon]

Both are available in my league....and I assume in others too.

Who would you rather have and why?

I had Engram last year and he was great as my Flex. I am not a Philly homer nor did I have any Eagles on my fantasy roster last year so I watch little or no Eagle football.

Looking at last years stats, they look about even:

Engram

94 rec/6 td's

Curtis

77 rec/6 td's

I think either one of them is a sneaky pick up and hold player.

 

[barista]

I'd go with Engram as it seems there's less competition for passes and SEA will likely play more from behind.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=420460

 

[gump]

I'm looking at the same thing, and going with Engram.

Engram will be more consistent IMO...they both had about 8.5 targets/game last year, but Engram will be the #1 while Curtis will have RBrown and Desean.

 

[Road Warriors]

I'm looking at the same thing, and going with Engram.Engram will be more consistent IMO...they both had about 8.5 targets/game last year, but Engram will be the #1 while Curtis will have RBrown and Desean.

and still be the #1.Engram will have a lower YPC, but probably higher catch totals. However, I think he's easier to shut down if you focus on it than Curtis is. And Engram will likely have a returning from injury Deion Branch to contend with.PPR is a slight lean to Engramwithout PPR, a slight lean to Curtis

 

[gump]

I'm looking at the same thing, and going with Engram.Engram will be more consistent IMO...they both had about 8.5 targets/game last year, but Engram will be the #1 while Curtis will have RBrown and Desean.

and still be the #1.Engram will have a lower YPC, but probably higher catch totals. However, I think he's easier to shut down if you focus on it than Curtis is. And Engram will likely have a returning from injury Deion Branch to contend with.PPR is a slight lean to Engramwithout PPR, a slight lean to Curtis

May depend on what you need...but I'm looking for consistency. Engram was MUCH more so last year, with Burleson playing and Branch around at season's end...and without KC contending with Desean.Seattle will be worse though. But didn't someone recently bring up a stat about #1 WR on bad teams being mostly viable?

 

[Road Warriors]

I'm looking at the same thing, and going with Engram.Engram will be more consistent IMO...they both had about 8.5 targets/game last year, but Engram will be the #1 while Curtis will have RBrown and Desean.

and still be the #1.Engram will have a lower YPC, but probably higher catch totals. However, I think he's easier to shut down if you focus on it than Curtis is. And Engram will likely have a returning from injury Deion Branch to contend with.PPR is a slight lean to Engramwithout PPR, a slight lean to Curtis

May depend on what you need...but I'm looking for consistency. Engram was MUCH more so last year, with Burleson playing and Branch around at season's end...and without KC contending with Desean.Seattle will be worse though. But didn't someone recently bring up a stat about #1 WR on bad teams being mostly viable?

FWIW, I have both on my IR now, so I don't have a particular agenda.Engram excels in the slot. He's similar in playing style to Welker. He will more often thrive as the checkdown option or quick hitter option. If Engram is forced to be the outside "WR1" option, I don't think he'll be as effective as he was last year. Actually, Burleson going down will hurt Engram's production, IMO.DeSean Jackson is a new variable in the KC situation and I really like his game. But McNabb likes to go down the field with the ball a bunch and has no problem spreading the ball around to different receivers and Philly will certainly throw alot. Notice that less accomlished WRs on PHI ( Baskett, Lewis ) had over 100 yds rec. last week. I think there's enough in the PHI passing game to support DeSean and Curtis as viable fantasy starters.

 

[gump]

Engram excels in the slot. He's similar in playing style to Welker. He will more often thrive as the checkdown option or quick hitter option. If Engram is forced to be the outside "WR1" option, I don't think he'll be as effective as he was last year. Actually, Burleson going down will hurt Engram's production, IMO.

Interesting...so do we know for sure that Engram moves to a different position when he returns than what he played last year?

 

[xenon]

Interesting thoughts.....most notably the comment of "If Engram is forced to the outside WR1 option, I don't think he'll be as effective"......definitely something to consider. Gut instinct tells me Curtis is the better play simply because they are a better team and SEA has no other options and who know's whats up with the running game.

 

[Ahmad Rashad]

I'm looking at the same thing, and going with Engram.Engram will be more consistent IMO...they both had about 8.5 targets/game last year, but Engram will be the #1 while Curtis will have RBrown and Desean.

and still be the #1.Engram will have a lower YPC, but probably higher catch totals. However, I think he's easier to shut down if you focus on it than Curtis is. And Engram will likely have a returning from injury Deion Branch to contend with.PPR is a slight lean to Engramwithout PPR, a slight lean to Curtis

May depend on what you need...but I'm looking for consistency. Engram was MUCH more so last year, with Burleson playing and Branch around at season's end...and without KC contending with Desean.Seattle will be worse though. But didn't someone recently bring up a stat about #1 WR on bad teams being mostly viable?

FWIW, I have both on my IR now, so I don't have a particular agenda.Engram excels in the slot. He's similar in playing style to Welker. He will more often thrive as the checkdown option or quick hitter option. If Engram is forced to be the outside "WR1" option, I don't think he'll be as effective as he was last year. Actually, Burleson going down will hurt Engram's production, IMO.DeSean Jackson is a new variable in the KC situation and I really like his game. But McNabb likes to go down the field with the ball a bunch and has no problem spreading the ball around to different receivers and Philly will certainly throw alot. Notice that less accomlished WRs on PHI ( Baskett, Lewis ) had over 100 yds rec. last week. I think there's enough in the PHI passing game to support DeSean and Curtis as viable fantasy starters.

I also have both on my bench.IMO, Engram will be more consistent, as he was last year. He shined at flanker, where he played most of the year (Bobby Engram to start at flanker), which is the position that gets the most targets in Holmgren's system. He had his best year ever there.Curtis will have some huge games, but he will disappear some games, too. He was very inconsistent last year. Also, it's more clear that Engram will return at 100% from a broken bone than it is Curtis will from a sports hernia.Engram won't have as much talent catching passes around him, which means he'll get more attention both from his QB and defenses, while Curtis will have to compete with Westbrook, Jackson, Brown, and Smith. Given this situation, Engram will likely get more targets except maybe when defenses focus on shutting him down.

 

[greenline]

When are the anticipated return dates of each?

 

[JamesTheScot]

I like Curtis and own him so I am biased...

But much of Curtis's box score inconsistency was actually McNabb's on-the-field inconsistency. I lost count of all the badly thrown balls that left McNabb's hands intended for Curtis (and Brown for that matter) last season. McNabb was putting a lot of throws into the dirt, behind and overhead last year. Not only did that inaccuracy affect Curtis's receptions, it also killed some Philly drives which affected his opportunities.

McNabb looks better this year than last, although it's just week 1. If he's playing better, I think Curtis has more upside. If McNabb goes out, and Kolb starts, I still think Curtis has upside. If McNabb gets dinged up and still plays, I like Engram better.

 

[Road Warriors]

Engram excels in the slot. He's similar in playing style to Welker. He will more often thrive as the checkdown option or quick hitter option. If Engram is forced to be the outside "WR1" option, I don't think he'll be as effective as he was last year. Actually, Burleson going down will hurt Engram's production, IMO.

Interesting...so do we know for sure that Engram moves to a different position when he returns than what he played last year?

Actually, I imagine Engram in the same role, but with less effective WRs running opposite him drawing safety help, I don't know.I'm not super familiar with the Holgren offensive set. Does he run a lot of 3WR, 1TE, 1RB sets? Does Seattle have enough WRs to run 3WR sets?I guess I'm thinking Engram = Welker, more or less. Production is somewhat dependent on the coverage, and if your outside guys are drawing safety help, your slot guys get to find the holes among the LBs, and Engram is too quick to cover in there. I do think he'll be an effective WR2/3 option in your lineup once he gets back.

 

[xenon]

When are the anticipated return dates of each?

 

[Road Warriors]

When are the anticipated return dates of each?

Pure speculation on my part, but I think Curtis comes back after the PHI bye in week 7. Engram? Best guess week 6.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Both from CBS:

Eagles coach Andy Reid updated the media Monday about the status of injured WR Kevin Curtis. "He's doing very well actually," said Reid. "He's not going to play this week, but he is doing very well." When asked if Curtis will be out for six weeks, Reid said: "I’'m optimistic today that it won't be, but we'll see. The month and a half takes you to about the bye week, so hopefully we can get him back a little sooner, but we'll see."(Updated 09/08/2008).

News: Seahawks leading receiver Bobby Engram will miss six to eight weeks with a cracked shoulder, coach Mike Holmgren says. Engram, 35, set a Seattle franchise record last season with 94 catches and then skipped offseason minicamps while in a dispute over his contract that expires after this season. The club expects Engram to miss three games, but they have a bye in Week 4, so Week 5 is the earliest he's expected back.

 

[hotdogcollars]

When are the anticipated return dates of each?

Pure speculation on my part, but I think Curtis comes back after the PHI bye in week 7. Engram? Best guess week 6.

I've been reading a lot of local articles from PA and SEA and also trying to piece together standard rehab times for their injuries. Best guess i can come up with for Curtis is optimistically wk 6 at SF, more realistically wk 8 vs ATL. As for Engram, it looks like wk 5 after the bye at NYG.Obviously these are not based on statements from the team, so take it for what its worth.ETA: what Shooter said

 

[xenon]

Seems like the consensus is that Engram is the guy. Both are sneaky plays IMO.