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[CrazyHorse1581]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:

1. Best Head to Head Record

2. Best Division Record

3. Most Points

4. Coin Toss

* Team A and Team B split their head to head matchups (same division - played twice)

* Team A lost in regular season to Team C

* Team B beat Team C in regular season

* Team A has the best division record of the 3 so he is the #5 seed.

* Team B beat Team C in regular season making him the #6 seed.

Do I have this right?

I've been running this league for 10 years and its the first time we've had this. Prior to last week there were 5 teams vying for the final 2 playoff spots.

 

[fsufan]

is this on MFL, if so put a link for the standings

how many divisions

 

[Ditka is God]

It's a little confusing - did Team A go 0-2 versus Team C? And did Team B go 2-0 versus Team C? What is Team's B division record and what is Team C's division record?

 

[CrazyHorse1581]

is this on MFL, if so put a link for the standings

Sportsline

 

[morgonster]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:1. Best Head to Head Record 2. Best Division Record 3. Most Points 4. Coin Toss * Team A and Team B split their head to head matchups (same division - played twice)* Team A lost in regular season to Team C * Team B beat Team C in regular season * Team A has the best division record of the 3 so he is the #5 seed.* Team B beat Team C in regular season making him the #6 seed. Do I have this right?I've been running this league for 10 years and its the first time we've had this. Prior to last week there were 5 teams vying for the final 2 playoff spots.

According to your rules, All three have a .500 record head to head, So you should move on to the Division Records. Team A has the best Division Record, so he is in. Then you have to compare Team B and Team C's Division Records.

 

[CrazyHorse1581]

It's a little confusing - did Team A go 0-2 versus Team C? And did Team B go 2-0 versus Team C? What is Team's B division record and what is Team C's division record?

Team A only played Team C once.Team B only played Team C once.Team B finished 2-3 in the North DivisionTeam C finished 3-2 in the South Division

 

[Addai's Adidas]

This is why we switched to total points as the first tie breaker. It's mind numbing.

 

[fsufan]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:1. Best Head to Head Record 2. Best Division Record 3. Most Points 4. Coin Toss * Team A and Team B split their head to head matchups (same division - played twice)* Team A lost in regular season to Team C * Team B beat Team C in regular season * Team A has the best division record of the 3 so he is the #5 seed.* Team B beat Team C in regular season making him the #6 seed. Do I have this right?I've been running this league for 10 years and its the first time we've had this. Prior to last week there were 5 teams vying for the final 2 playoff spots.

According to your rules, All three have a .500 record head to head, So you should move on to the Division Records. Team A has the best Division Record, so he is in. Then you have to compare Team B and Team C's Division Records.

this is what I am thinking. use the division record tiebreaker

 

[morgonster]

It's a little confusing - did Team A go 0-2 versus Team C? And did Team B go 2-0 versus Team C? What is Team's B division record and what is Team C's division record?

Team A only played Team C once.Team B only played Team C once.Team B finished 2-3 in the North DivisionTeam C finished 3-2 in the South Division

Then Team C is in.

 

[Ditka is God]

At quick glance it seems to me like it's A and C.

 

[damageinc]

Team A and Team C are in.

 

[CrazyHorse1581]

At quick glance it seems to me like it's A and C.

Even though Team A beat Team C and head to head is the first tie breaker? ***For the record my team is not involved and I don't give a hoot who gets in I just want it to be right.***

 

[morgonster]

At quick glance it seems to me like it's A and C.

Even though Team A beat Team C and head to head is the first tie breaker? ***For the record my team is not involved and I don't give a hoot who gets in I just want it to be right.***

It is head to head btwn 3 teams, not two. You cannot eliminate a team in this scenario. They all tied with a .500 head to head record. This seems pretty straight forward to me, is the loosing team complaining?

 

[Pickle Rody]

Not sure how you can compare division records of teams in different divisions? Once it is determined they are not in the same division, you cannot use that tiebreaker anymore - you must move on to the next tiebreaker criteria, which would be total points. Total points will determine the final playoff slot.

If that is still Team's A & C, then so be it, but if I'm Team B and I have more total points than Team C, I'd be pissed if they got in over me. That's because we didn't play in the same division and there is no way I'd except his division record over mine as the tiebreaaker - it should be total points. If I didn't get in because Team C had more points, I can accept that.

 

[Crazy8s]

Our League rules:

You need to figure who wins in the tie-breakers in the division first before you go against the other division. So break the tie between Team A and B is their division first, same as Team C and D in their division.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Wouldn't it be easier to just have total points as the first tiebreaker? /end of headache and best indicator of better teams. Unless of course you love this misery.

 

[redaddy25]

This is why we switched to total points as the first tie breaker. It's mind numbing.

If more than 2 teams tie for a spot go to total points... It is the only way to go to prevent these problems.

 

[Dismattle]

Id say there is an argument for B & C based on head to head

B is 1-1 with A but beat C (becoming 2-1) so Id say B is in/ C beat A so C is in (1-0).

 

[Ditka is God]

This is why we switched to total points as the first tie breaker. It's mind numbing.

If more than 2 teams tie for a spot go to total points... It is the only way to go to prevent these problems.

I prefer total points head to head in that scenario.

 

[Crazy8s]

Wouldn't it be easier to just have total points as the first tiebreaker? /end of headache and best indicator of better teams. Unless of course you love this misery.

Then why have divisions? Or Wins/Loses...just do total points for the year. (Whatever works for you...I perfer Head2head.)

 

[mjm3773]

If you try to follow the NFL tiebreaking rules, ties within divisions are always broken before ties between teams in different divisions. Thus, first you have to break the tie between teams A and B.

They split head-to-head, but A had the better division record, so A finishes ahead of B.

Now you compare A vs. C. C won H2H, so C gets the #5 seed.

The #6 seed is then between A and B, and based upon the previous tiebreaking, A gets the #6 seed.

As others have said, you can't compare divsion records for teams in different divisions.

 

[thebestupsman]

We only use division record to break a tie between two teams in the same division. You shouldn't use division record if the are not in the same division. A, B, and C all beat each other, so that tie breaker is out. A, B, and C are not in the same division so that's out. So you should go to total points to find your two teams. Here's what our rules say.

VI. Tiebreakers:

A. Order of Tiebreakers: We use up to four tie-breaking schemes for our league standings. Order of the tiebreakers, with "1" being the first tie breaker used. Then "2" and so on.

1.) Head -To-Head. Only to break a tie between 2 teams. If it's 3 or more teams, 1 team must sweep them all.

2.) Divisional Record. Only if the teams are in the same division.

3.) Total Points Scored

4.) Coin Toss

 

[Godsbrother]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:1. Best Head to Head Record 2. Best Division Record 3. Most Points 4. Coin Toss * Team A and Team B split their head to head matchups (same division - played twice)* Team A lost in regular season to Team C * Team B beat Team C in regular season * Team A has the best division record of the 3 so he is the #5 seed.* Team B beat Team C in regular season making him the #6 seed. Do I have this right?I've been running this league for 10 years and its the first time we've had this. Prior to last week there were 5 teams vying for the final 2 playoff spots.

Your first tiebreaker is H2H. If I am reading this right Team A is 1-2 (0.333), Team B is 2-1 (.667) and Team C is 1-1 (.500) in games involving these teams. Based on that I say Team B & Team C go to the playoffs.

 

[Novice2]

This is why we switched to total points as the first tie breaker. It's mind numbing.

If more than 2 teams tie for a spot go to total points... It is the only way to go to prevent these problems.

If a tied team sweeps (or has been swept) by all they other tied teams they win the tiebreak ( or are eliminated )i heart h2h

 

[dennis.moore]

Break division ties first.

 

[Road Warriors]

If you try to follow the NFL tiebreaking rules, ties within divisions are always broken before ties between teams in different divisions. Thus, first you have to break the tie between teams A and B.They split head-to-head, but A had the better division record, so A finishes ahead of B.Now you compare A vs. C. C won H2H, so C gets the #5 seed.The #6 seed is then between A and B, and based upon the previous tiebreaking, A gets the #6 seed.As others have said, you can't compare divsion records for teams in different divisions.

+1

 

[Pickle Rody]

Break division ties first.

This doesn't work when another team with a tied overall record is involved. Having that 3rd non-divisional team involved eliminates the divisional aspect of the tiebreakers. To break the divisional tie first would be unfair to the other team involved.

 

[The Jerk]

Break division ties first.

This doesn't work when another team with a tied overall record is involved. Having that 3rd non-divisional team involved eliminates the divisional aspect of the tiebreakers. To break the divisional tie first would be unfair to the other team involved.

Whether or not to break ties among divisions first should be specified in the league rules, but it is definitely what the NFL does, and it's not any or more unfair than any other method. Absolutely it can change the results of who makes and who misses the playoffs, and that's why it should be plainly stated one way or the other.I 100% endorse the break in-division ties first to produce a clear 1st through last in every division, then compare across divisions to come up with the actual playoff seedings.

From the NFL tie-breaking procedures

NFL Tiebreaking Procedures

<snip>

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.

2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

<snip>

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

 

[dennis.moore]

Break division ties first.

This doesn't work when another team with a tied overall record is involved. Having that 3rd non-divisional team involved eliminates the divisional aspect of the tiebreakers. To break the divisional tie first would be unfair to the other team involved.

Whether or not to break ties among divisions first should be specified in the league rules, but it is definitely what the NFL does, and it's not any or more unfair than any other method. Absolutely it can change the results of who makes and who misses the playoffs, and that's why it should be plainly stated one way or the other.I 100% endorse the break in-division ties first to produce a clear 1st through last in every division, then compare across divisions to come up with the actual playoff seedings.

From the NFL tie-breaking procedures

NFL Tiebreaking Procedures

<snip>

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.

2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

<snip>

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

Backing up what I said earlier. Thanks The Jerk.

 

[Godsbrother]

I agree with the Jerk -- that is what the nfl does but the rules in the OPs league says the first tiebreaker is H2H records.

Team A is 1-2 (0.333), Team B is 2-1 (.667) and Team C is 1-1 (.500) in games involving these teams. Based on that I say Team B is seed #5, Team C is seed #6 and Team A is out of the playoffs.

 

[footballnerd]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:1. Best Head to Head Record 2. Best Division Record 3. Most Points 4. Coin Toss * Team A and Team B split their head to head matchups (same division - played twice)* Team A lost in regular season to Team C * Team B beat Team C in regular season * Team A has the best division record of the 3 so he is the #5 seed.* Team B beat Team C in regular season making him the #6 seed. Do I have this right?I've been running this league for 10 years and its the first time we've had this. Prior to last week there were 5 teams vying for the final 2 playoff spots.

This feels like an SAT question, def go total points next time, its the real indicator of who's team is better.

 

[GoRaiders]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:1. Best Head to Head Record 2. Best Division Record 3. Most Points 4. Coin Toss

Do yourself a favor and kill Best Division Record as a Tie breaker for next year. That should not be used especially when looking to tie break teams from different divisions. So you give the advantage to a team that went 6-0 in a cupcake division, but got killed by stronger competition outside his division?H-T-H first, then Total points next. If you use Decimal scoring you won't need a third, but you could move Divisional record third or add Total points scored in H-T-H as another option.

 

[goldenchild]

If/when you get this season figure out, for next season follow:

Overall Winning Percentage (best record)

Most Total Points

Problem solved.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Division Record should NEVER be used to break ties between teams IN DIFFERENT DIVISIONS.

The NFL doesn't do it that way, neither should fantasy football leagues.

 

[CrazyHorse1581]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:1. Best Head to Head Record 2. Best Division Record 3. Most Points 4. Coin Toss

Do yourself a favor and kill Best Division Record as a Tie breaker for next year. That should not be used especially when looking to tie break teams from different divisions. So you give the advantage to a team that went 6-0 in a cupcake division, but got killed by stronger competition outside his division?H-T-H first, then Total points next. If you use Decimal scoring you won't need a third, but you could move Divisional record third or add Total points scored in H-T-H as another option.

I agree with that! As for this year here's how it's going to be. With Head to Head being the first tie breaker it goes.Team B - 2-1 (.667)Team C - 1-1 (.500)Team A - 1-2 (.333)Team B gets 5th seedTeam C gets 6th seed

 

[The Dynasty]

The way we do it is if there's a three or more way tie we skip head to head and continue to the next tiebreaker (points scored) and every time someone wins a tiebreaker we start the process over with the remaining teams.

 

[The Jerk]

Division Record should NEVER be used to break ties between teams IN DIFFERENT DIVISIONS.The NFL doesn't do it that way, neither should fantasy football leagues.

 

[Insein]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:1. Best Head to Head Record 2. Best Division Record 3. Most Points 4. Coin Toss * Team A and Team B split their head to head matchups (same division - played twice)* Team A lost in regular season to Team C * Team B beat Team C in regular season * Team A has the best division record of the 3 so he is the #5 seed.* Team B beat Team C in regular season making him the #6 seed. Do I have this right?I've been running this league for 10 years and its the first time we've had this. Prior to last week there were 5 teams vying for the final 2 playoff spots.

According to your rules, All three have a .500 record head to head, So you should move on to the Division Records. Team A has the best Division Record, so he is in. Then you have to compare Team B and Team C's Division Records.

NO. You do this to determine who wins the 3 way tiebreaker and then start a new tiebreaker for just team B and C. So it would go back to head to head again.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:1. Best Head to Head Record 2. Best Division Record 3. Most Points 4. Coin Toss

Do yourself a favor and kill Best Division Record as a Tie breaker for next year. That should not be used especially when looking to tie break teams from different divisions. So you give the advantage to a team that went 6-0 in a cupcake division, but got killed by stronger competition outside his division?H-T-H first, then Total points next. If you use Decimal scoring you won't need a third, but you could move Divisional record third or add Total points scored in H-T-H as another option.

I agree with that! As for this year here's how it's going to be. With Head to Head being the first tie breaker it goes.Team B - 2-1 (.667)Team C - 1-1 (.500)Team A - 1-2 (.333)Team B gets 5th seedTeam C gets 6th seed

No. This isn't H2H. This is best winning percentage among three teams. H2H, by definition, is only the games between two teams. A should not be benefitted/penalized for wins/losses by B/C in games between B/C and vice-versa when considering H2H. Team A was not involved in the H2H matchup between B/C. If you cannot eliminate a team clearly through H2H (i.e. no team was swept by both other opponents), you then go to the next tiebreaker.ETA: If this is the ruling you made, it was a terrible, terrible miscarriage of your authority as commissioner. It sounds as if you waited long enough for someone in this thread to post the solution you wanted, and then decided.The answer is A & C as many others have said.

 

[Insein]

If/when you get this season figure out, for next season follow:Overall Winning Percentage (best record)Most Total PointsProblem solved.

I wish I could get that through the thick skulls of some of my league mates. They insist on head to head deciding tiebreakers. Its already random enough in FF without adding that arbitrary head to head matchup that catches a guy on the bye weeks deciding who makes the playoffs or not.

 

[aimlessgun]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:

1. Best Head to Head Record

2. Best Division Record

3. Most Points

4. Coin Toss

Do yourself a favor and kill Best Division Record as a Tie breaker for next year. That should not be used especially when looking to tie break teams from different divisions. So you give the advantage to a team that went 6-0 in a cupcake division, but got killed by stronger competition outside his division?H-T-H first, then Total points next. If you use Decimal scoring you won't need a third, but you could move Divisional record third or add Total points scored in H-T-H as another option.

I agree with that! As for this year here's how it's going to be. With Head to Head being the first tie breaker it goes.

Team B - 2-1 (.667)

Team C - 1-1 (.500)

Team A - 1-2 (.333)

Team B gets 5th seed

Team C gets 6th seed

No. This isn't H2H. This is best winning percentage among three teams. H2H, by definition, is only the games between two teams. A should not be benefitted/penalized for wins/losses by B/C in games between B/C and vice-versa when considering H2H. Team A was not involved in the H2H matchup between B/C. If you cannot eliminate a team clearly through H2H (i.e. no team was swept by both other opponents), you then go to the next tiebreaker.

ETA: If this is the ruling you made, it was a terrible, terrible miscarriage of your authority as commissioner. It sounds as if you waited long enough for someone in this thread to post the solution you wanted, and then decided.

The answer is A & C as many others have said.

You can make the case for B and C another way. A tied H2H with B, so nothing useful comes out of that.

A lost to C, so C > A

C lost to B, so B > C

Add it all up B > C > A

It's a little ridiculous, but I think the B and C could be a logical conclusion from the rules presented. But I think those rules are wholly unsuitable for resolving this tie. Scrapping rules midseason is crappy, but in this case I vote to change it to Total Points.

PS: I also like how multiple people said something about them all being 1-1 in H2H when the OP clearly stated otherwise.

EDIT: If you cannot eliminate a team clearly through H2H (i.e. no team was swept by both other opponents), you then go to the next tiebreaker. Hm this is actually really convincing now that I think about it.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:1. Best Head to Head Record 2. Best Division Record 3. Most Points 4. Coin Toss

Do yourself a favor and kill Best Division Record as a Tie breaker for next year. That should not be used especially when looking to tie break teams from different divisions. So you give the advantage to a team that went 6-0 in a cupcake division, but got killed by stronger competition outside his division?H-T-H first, then Total points next. If you use Decimal scoring you won't need a third, but you could move Divisional record third or add Total points scored in H-T-H as another option.

seriously.I agree with that! As for this year here's how it's going to be. With Head to Head being the first tie breaker it goes.Team B - 2-1 (.667)Team C - 1-1 (.500)Team A - 1-2 (.333)Team B gets 5th seedTeam C gets 6th seed

No. This isn't H2H. This is best winning percentage among three teams. H2H, by definition, is only the games between two teams. A should not be benefitted/penalized for wins/losses by B/C in games between B/C and vice-versa when considering H2H. Team A was not involved in the H2H matchup between B/C. If you cannot eliminate a team clearly through H2H (i.e. no team was swept by both other opponents), you then go to the next tiebreaker.ETA: If this is the ruling you made, it was a terrible, terrible miscarriage of your authority as commissioner. It sounds as if you waited long enough for someone in this thread to post the solution you wanted, and then decided.The answer is A & C as many others have said.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:1. Best Head to Head Record 2. Best Division Record 3. Most Points 4. Coin Toss

Do yourself a favor and kill Best Division Record as a Tie breaker for next year. That should not be used especially when looking to tie break teams from different divisions. So you give the advantage to a team that went 6-0 in a cupcake division, but got killed by stronger competition outside his division?H-T-H first, then Total points next. If you use Decimal scoring you won't need a third, but you could move Divisional record third or add Total points scored in H-T-H as another option.

I agree with that! As for this year here's how it's going to be. With Head to Head being the first tie breaker it goes.Team B - 2-1 (.667)Team C - 1-1 (.500)Team A - 1-2 (.333)Team B gets 5th seedTeam C gets 6th seed

No. This isn't H2H. This is best winning percentage among three teams. H2H, by definition, is only the games between two teams. A should not be benefitted/penalized for wins/losses by B/C in games between B/C and vice-versa when considering H2H. Team A was not involved in the H2H matchup between B/C. If you cannot eliminate a team clearly through H2H (i.e. no team was swept by both other opponents), you then go to the next tiebreaker.ETA: If this is the ruling you made, it was a terrible, terrible miscarriage of your authority as commissioner. It sounds as if you waited long enough for someone in this thread to post the solution you wanted, and then decided.The answer is A & C as many others have said.

You can make the case for B and C another way. A tied H2H with B, so nothing useful comes out of that. A lost to C, so C > AC lost to B, so B > CAdd it all up B > C > A It's a little ridiculous, but I think the B and C is a logical conclusion of their rules are he presented them. But I think those rules are wholly unsuitable for resolving this tie. Scrapping rules midseason is crappy, but in this case I vote to change it to Total Points.PS: I also like how multiple people said something about them all being 1-1 in H2H when the OP clearly stated otherwise.

How can B be superior to A if they split H2H?

 

[Godsbrother]

How can B be superior to A if they split H2H?

Because A lost to C , an opponent defeated by B

 

[Insein]

How can B be superior to A if they split H2H?

Because A lost to C , an opponent defeated by B

Lol, why total points needs to be used for multi-team tiebreakers. No way to evaluate teams with differeing records against each other.

 

[morgonster]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:1. Best Head to Head Record 2. Best Division Record 3. Most Points 4. Coin Toss * Team A and Team B split their head to head matchups (same division - played twice)* Team A lost in regular season to Team C * Team B beat Team C in regular season * Team A has the best division record of the 3 so he is the #5 seed.* Team B beat Team C in regular season making him the #6 seed. Do I have this right?I've been running this league for 10 years and its the first time we've had this. Prior to last week there were 5 teams vying for the final 2 playoff spots.

According to your rules, All three have a .500 record head to head, So you should move on to the Division Records. Team A has the best Division Record, so he is in. Then you have to compare Team B and Team C's Division Records.

NO. You do this to determine who wins the 3 way tiebreaker and then start a new tiebreaker for just team B and C. So it would go back to head to head again.

RTSports appears to have done it this way in a 3 way tie in my league. Under this scenario, RTS would have A & C go to the playoffs. There is no elimated and then reseeding after the 1st team is in.

 

[Godsbrother]

How can B be superior to A if they split H2H?

Because A lost to C , an opponent defeated by B

Lol, why total points needs to be used for multi-team tiebreakers. No way to evaluate teams with differeing records against each other.

Agree 100% but that isn't how their rules are written.

 

[morgonster]

Three teams ended the regular season tied with 7-6 records, vying for 2 remaining playoff spots. I want to make sure I get this right. My league's tiebreakers are:1. Best Head to Head Record 2. Best Division Record 3. Most Points 4. Coin Toss

Do yourself a favor and kill Best Division Record as a Tie breaker for next year. That should not be used especially when looking to tie break teams from different divisions. So you give the advantage to a team that went 6-0 in a cupcake division, but got killed by stronger competition outside his division?H-T-H first, then Total points next. If you use Decimal scoring you won't need a third, but you could move Divisional record third or add Total points scored in H-T-H as another option.

I agree with that! As for this year here's how it's going to be. With Head to Head being the first tie breaker it goes.Team B - 2-1 (.667)Team C - 1-1 (.500)Team A - 1-2 (.333)Team B gets 5th seedTeam C gets 6th seed

No. This isn't H2H. This is best winning percentage among three teams. H2H, by definition, is only the games between two teams. A should not be benefitted/penalized for wins/losses by B/C in games between B/C and vice-versa when considering H2H. Team A was not involved in the H2H matchup between B/C. If you cannot eliminate a team clearly through H2H (i.e. no team was swept by both other opponents), you then go to the next tiebreaker.ETA: If this is the ruling you made, it was a terrible, terrible miscarriage of your authority as commissioner. It sounds as if you waited long enough for someone in this thread to post the solution you wanted, and then decided.The answer is A & C as many others have said.

CrazyHorse1581 is Team B

 

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Division record should only be used as a tie breaker within a division. It shouldn't break a tie between teams that are not in the same division.

Also, you should get rid of coin toss. A good final tie breaker: the team that had the most points scored against them on the season should get the tie breaker if all other tie breakers fail.

Did any of these teams win their respective divisions? If so, then they aren't involved in the tie breaker.

If none of these teams won their respective divisions, and none of them has demonstrated superiority by holding the head to head tie breaker over both of, or all of the other teams, involved in the tie, then all of the teams default to the next tie breaker and head to head should become irrelevant. Therefore the logic of going back to head to head that was in the OP is flawed. It is also flawed logic to take the total winning percentage of the three teams in all of their games against one another. The only thing that should matter is that one of the team must fully demonstrate superiority by beating both other teams, on an individual basis, in head to head play.

However, the division record coming as the next tie breaker is also flawed if all the teams aren't in the same division.

I think this situation calls for breaking the tie based on total points.

 

[ScottyDog]

This.

This is why we switched to total points as the first tie breaker. It's mind numbing.