Commish question -- need advice quickly (1 Viewer)

[The Moz]

Guys the league I commish I have an owner that was recently ( basically ) eliminated from the playoffs. He is playing a team right on the fence that directly effects the playoff fates of 4 other teams. Is it okay for that team bench players like Mendenhall and Addai for people like Brandon Jackson and Lendale White? also starting Leinart in place of Warner and Orton and S. Moss in place or A. Boldin ( those could be arguled though - badly bu argued ) I know there's a strong chance this guy is just screwing around and doesn't turn into anything -- just wondering what best course of action is if it did.

Question is should the commish intervene and set his best line up ( league intergrity is involved here , leave it alone it's his team he can do what he wants , or leave it alone and not invite him to return next year?

thnaks

 

[Steel Dillo]

If there is no rule that says he can't tank, then you don't have a case.

 

[ScottyDog]

Talk to him and try to encourage him to put his best team out there and tell him that it affects the league integrity if he doesn't. If he decides to still tank the game, there is nothing you can do about it. It is his choice. I would not let the guy back in the league next year though.

Guys the league I commish I have an owner that was recently ( basically ) eliminated from the playoffs. He is playing a team right on the fence that directly effects the playoff fates of 4 other teams. Is it okay for that team bench players like Mendenhall and Addai for people like Brandon Jackson and Lendale White? also starting Leinart in place of Warner and Orton and S. Moss in place or A. Boldin ( those could be arguled though - badly bu argued ) I know there's a strong chance this guy is just screwing around and doesn't turn into anything -- just wondering what best course of action is if it did. Question is should the commish intervene and set his best line up ( league intergrity is involved here , leave it alone it's his team he can do what he wants , or leave it alone and not invite him to return next year? thnaks

 

[Chaka]

I think it depends on the motivation of the owner for making those decisions.

If he is doing it completely on his own because he likes his opponent this week more than the other playoff contenders then, it sucks but, it's his prerogative (many believe Indy did this at the end of the season for Tenn 2-3 years ago).

If he has an agreement with his current opponent that is another matter entirely.

 

[Resident A]

If your league does not have rules in place to prevent Tanking, the commish screwed up badly.

Tanking games is a huge no-no. Teams will quit the league over getting screwed out of the playoffs by stuff like this. The owner should be told to fix his lineup or he gets booted. If he won't , even w/o rules, the commish should step in & set the guy's lineup with his normal starters. But it must be addressed BEFORE this week's games kick-off. He can't come back & change it on Monday without a firestorm.

 

[theplayer11]

integrity of the league is at stake. I would set the best line up before the games. It would be the same as a commish not allowing a trade because of collusion.

 

[gianmarco]

You don't have to have a rule in place for tanking to step in. Your job as commish is to run the league properly. Talk to him and make sure he's just joking around. If he's not, fix the lineup and let him know he can look for a new league next year. Hopefully it doesn't affect your team, but even if it did, it's the right thing to do.

 

[Chaka]

If the commish is also a league owner he should never tamper with another teams lineup.

Absent rules for this situation the commish should not tamper with another lineup.

If the commish does tamper with the lineup he should remove the offending owner from the league with a full refund of league fees. But the commish (or another owner) should never, ever set another team's lineup.

 

[meatwad1]

If the commish is also a league owner he should never tamper with another teams lineup.Absent rules for this situation the commish should not tamper with another lineup.If the commish does tamper with the lineup he should remove the offending owner from the league with a full refund of league fees. But the commish (or another owner) should never, ever set another team's lineup.

No way. There are some things in life that are implied, and when you join a ff league, espcially one where money is involved, there is an implication that you will play fair. This is not a case of somebody making a couple of questionable line up decisions, this is a ##### who is inserting all marginal non-starters into his lineup for players who start and score points. I agree with contacting him, asking what is the deal, and then taking action whether he likes it or not. I doubt there are any owners who would argue with that.

 

[Black]

Talk to him and try to encourage him to put his best team out there and tell him that it affects the league integrity if he doesn't. If he decides to still tank the game, there is nothing you can do about it. It is his choice. I would not let the guy back in the league next year though.

I would just tell him the LenDale and Br Jackson starts are pretty obviously tanking. Let him know each team should make a full effort to play each week. I would tell him if he is unable to follow that basic guideline, he won't be back next year. If there is a tanking clause in place, then step in and update the roster, using the best projections from your provider.

 

[BigJim®]

As was asked by others, do you have any league rules? In the league I commish, there is a governance provision indicating the commissioner may take any action to help the integrity of the league and I might act on it if needed. If your league awards draft picks from worst to best record, that could be the motivation. In my league, I would first call the owner I'm worried about and ask what's up. If I got no response, I'd confer with others in the league to do whatever I do before Sunday games are played. Bottom line, I think you need league support and concurrence to tamper with another member's line-up. It's a significant move if, as you mention, the playoff fate of several teams is on the line. There could be greater fallout than you expect.

 

[The Moz]

No set rules on it. I guess thats My fault -- there is a rule that if you try to intentiallay disrupt the league you are kicked out w/o refund. don't know if that qaulifies though

 

[The Comedian]

Change the lineup. People in these threads get so caught up in league rules that they lose track of common sense. Use your judgment.

 

[golfguy]

Change the lineup. People in these threads get so caught up in league rules that they lose track of common sense. Use your judgment.

you can't be serious. i would never play in a league where the commish overstepped rules or lack thereof. that's absurd.

 

[Chaka]

If the commish is also a league owner he should never tamper with another teams lineup.Absent rules for this situation the commish should not tamper with another lineup.If the commish does tamper with the lineup he should remove the offending owner from the league with a full refund of league fees. But the commish (or another owner) should never, ever set another team's lineup.

No way. There are some things in life that are implied, and when you join a ff league, espcially one where money is involved, there is an implication that you will play fair. This is not a case of somebody making a couple of questionable line up decisions, this is a ##### who is inserting all marginal non-starters into his lineup for players who start and score points. I agree with contacting him, asking what is the deal, and then taking action whether he likes it or not. I doubt there are any owners who would argue with that.

Having another owner, any owner, set lineups for more than one team is simply a non-starter.

 

[Nemesis]

If the commish is also a league owner he should never tamper with another teams lineup.Absent rules for this situation the commish should not tamper with another lineup.If the commish does tamper with the lineup he should remove the offending owner from the league with a full refund of league fees. But the commish (or another owner) should never, ever set another team's lineup.

No way. There are some things in life that are implied, and when you join a ff league, espcially one where money is involved, there is an implication that you will play fair. This is not a case of somebody making a couple of questionable line up decisions, this is a ##### who is inserting all marginal non-starters into his lineup for players who start and score points. I agree with contacting him, asking what is the deal, and then taking action whether he likes it or not. I doubt there are any owners who would argue with that.

Basically, you have 2 choices:1-Change the @#@#$% owner lineup that is trying to mess with the league. He gets pissed off and quits (everyone on here has already admitted that they wouldn't invite back next year)OR2-Let him screw over the league and have the several good owners that you want to keep pissed off & hope they don't quit.As a commissioner, I pick option #1 EVERYTIME.

 

[theplayer11]

any commish that would let this crap go on is not doing his job. You do not need there to be a specific rule on tanking. It is applied that an owner should always put his beat team in. Doing nothing means another owner will get screwed out of the play-offs..UNACCEPTABLE. You talk to the guy and if he doesn't change his line-up, you do it for him.

 

[Dave Stauff]

You're making a big mistake if you are a league owner and, as the Commish, modify another team's starting lineup. In fantasy football, we as owners pay for the right to make our own decisions on lineups. Your decision to modify would be totally subjective as to who you thought would be the best team to field (you really can't use the highest scorers to date as some may be probable, questionable, doubtful or otherwise limited by coach's options at this point in the season) - when someone else on the roster goes off, you'll be subjected to second guessing by negatively affected owners. My advice: Bite the bullet on this one and introduce modified rules prior to next season that outlines specifically when you're going to intervene and how your intervention will remain objective - and be prepared to apply it Week 1 as well as Week 13. Too often I see Commissioners worrying about intervention with the playoffs imminent, but don't deal with similar issues in the same way early in the season - both occurrences have the same potential affect on playoffs. I had one league this year where an owner started Laurent Robinson for five straight weeks AFTER he was placed on IR. The last of these five weeks, his three starting WRs scored ZERO points. I didn't have the opportunity to play him in that span, so I felt disadvantaged in the grand scheme of things. When I alerted the Commish, he said there's not a lot he could do except contact the owner and ask him to try harder. Without a rule, I just don't see any basis for intervention . . .

 

[BaBastage]

Rule #1: Stick to your rules.

Rule #2: See above rule.

You're opening a Pandora's box once you let other owners determine if an owner is tanking or or not.

I see no recourse if he plays valid (uninjured) players and starts a valid lineup. Who's to say he doesn't have some unknown information or different rankings than you do?

That said, everyone is accountable to their actions. The rest of the league should vote this loser out during the offseason, and be more selective about the replacement owner next year.

But it does help to have some consolation "Toilet Bowl" for the non-playoff teams to help keep everyone interested. Or make one wildcard slot be "Highest total points over the last 2 weeks" or something similar.

 

[The Moz]

general consent here seems to be It sucks but I have to let it go and just kick him out for next year. Also add a no obvious tanking claus to the rules.

 

[BigJim®]

Change the lineup. People in these threads get so caught up in league rules that they lose track of common sense. Use your judgment.

you can't be serious. i would never play in a league where the commish overstepped rules or lack thereof. that's absurd.

I'd use the sampling of responses in this thread as an indication of what you can expect. Some may complain you've violated a cardinal rule and might quit, and others might feel as strongly the other direction. Really a no-win as commissioner but you should understand this and not underestimate fallout. You're best off using your efforts to talk sense into the owner and avoid the situation.

 

[tbglog]

Is the guy he tanking to a good buddy of his? The RB situation is an obvious tank, the QB situation is not. Warner may not go, Orton is turning into Orton and if there is no Warner than they may not be much Boldin and Moss did score last week. I would put the screws to the guy regarding the RB situation. He can not have a defense for starting L White over Addia or Mendenhall. Jacobs is a legitimate starter, even though most of us wouldnt start him in front of the other two.

 

[moviedude25]

The easiest thing to have done is acted as if you didn't see this unless someone brought it to your attention. If someone did and you didn't have a rule in place then your only choice is to say there was no rule in place for this and allow it. If someone said something to you about it then you could always request an explanation from the player who you thought was tanking and determine his future in the league based on the reply but there is no way you have the right to adjust lineups in my eyes simply because you think the other guys too stupid to know how to set a lineup. He's in the playoffs so he knows what he is doing. Make a rule for this next year and let this one go.

 

[J R]

any commish that would let this crap go on is not doing his job. You do not need there to be a specific rule on tanking. It is applied that an owner should always put his beat team in. Doing nothing means another owner will get screwed out of the play-offs..UNACCEPTABLE. You talk to the guy and if he doesn't change his line-up, you do it for him.

 

[Wrigley]

integrity of the league is at stake. I would set the best line up before the games. It would be the same as a commish not allowing a trade because of collusion.

Who cares if there is no rule in place. Owners should field their best team possible, week in and week out.I believe this is a form of collusion.

 

[PosterNutBag]

I agree that as commish you should intervene. I would leave the Moss for Boldin move alone, though, since you never know what could happen there even if Boldin seems like the smarter play. I would just do the obvious things like putting Mendenhall and Addai back in and then just waiting to gametime on Sunday night and start whoever is starting for the Cardinals.

You are the only one who has a true feel for the other owners in your league. If you are already well respected as a commish then those people will respect you more for making the changes and stating your case. I know it isn't in your rules, but this is definitely a case where you would kick the owner out and not give him a refund ... but in this case, you potentially caught it ahead of time and can prevent it from taking place. You aren't doing anything radical here, just making the obvious changes that are clearly moves to tank a game on purpose. Nobody could possibly argue that he should be benching Addai/Mendenhall for White/Jackson ... that is beyond ridiculous. And obviously nobody would start the Cardinals QB who is not starting. It's just simple common sense and you are acting on behalf of the 11 other owners in the league (you being one of them).

I do agree that it puts you in an awkward situation being potentially biased as another owner in the league, but making just the changes I suggested (except for the WR switch) are so clear cut that you are well within your rights as commish of the league to act for the greater good of the league. In the end, you could get some owner backlash and some people quitting the league but if that happens it would seem like those owners were likely owners who you probably wanted to replace anyway. This is potentially a risky move as commish, but it makes too much sense and if you didn't own a team in the league you would have no problem making it as commish....so, please make it and save the integrity of the league.

 

[Mister CIA]

It just dawned on me that none of my leagues have rules in place to prevent the commish from paying winners with coupons.

####!

 

[craxie]

Who's to say he doesn't have some unknown information or different rankings than you do?

This seems like a really simple objection to overcome.Commish sets the roster to the best of his judgmentIf, by some miracle, the original roster scores better, retroactively fix it and use that oneHe can't complain about getting screwed and the others can't complain about tanking.

 

[Chaka]

Who's to say he doesn't have some unknown information or different rankings than you do?

This seems like a really simple objection to overcome.Commish sets the roster to the best of his judgmentIf, by some miracle, the original roster scores better, retroactively fix it and use that oneHe can't complain about getting screwed and the others can't complain about tanking.

So instead of submitting one questionable roster his team gets two bites at the apple?Terrible.This type of behavior is not at all unprecedented in the NFL for teams who clinch early or are out of contention. I agree that someone should speak with the owner and if he sticks with his lineup then you can push him out after the season. Having any other owner submit two lineups is bad craziness.

 

[meatwad1]

Who's to say he doesn't have some unknown information or different rankings than you do?

This seems like a really simple objection to overcome.Commish sets the roster to the best of his judgmentIf, by some miracle, the original roster scores better, retroactively fix it and use that oneHe can't complain about getting screwed and the others can't complain about tanking.

So instead of submitting one questionable roster his team gets two bites at the apple?Terrible.This type of behavior is not at all unprecedented in the NFL for teams who clinch early or are out of contention. I agree that someone should speak with the owner and if he sticks with his lineup then you can push him out after the season. Having any other owner submit two lineups is bad craziness.

? Let's not confuse this with what real NFL teams do...a better analogy would be something like this...I am pretty sure there is no rule that states explicitly that I cannot start a thread accusing another poster of being a child molester. Would I get kicked out for that? I am pretty sure that I would.

 

[Chaka]

Who's to say he doesn't have some unknown information or different rankings than you do?

This seems like a really simple objection to overcome.Commish sets the roster to the best of his judgmentIf, by some miracle, the original roster scores better, retroactively fix it and use that oneHe can't complain about getting screwed and the others can't complain about tanking.

So instead of submitting one questionable roster his team gets two bites at the apple?Terrible.This type of behavior is not at all unprecedented in the NFL for teams who clinch early or are out of contention. I agree that someone should speak with the owner and if he sticks with his lineup then you can push him out after the season. Having any other owner submit two lineups is bad craziness.

? Let's not confuse this with what real NFL teams do...a better analogy would be something like this...I am pretty sure there is no rule that states explicitly that I cannot start a thread accusing another poster of being a child molester. Would I get kicked out for that? I am pretty sure that I would.

Being a bad fantasy owner now is akin to false accusations about child molestation?

 

[meatwad1]

Who's to say he doesn't have some unknown information or different rankings than you do?

This seems like a really simple objection to overcome.Commish sets the roster to the best of his judgmentIf, by some miracle, the original roster scores better, retroactively fix it and use that oneHe can't complain about getting screwed and the others can't complain about tanking.

So instead of submitting one questionable roster his team gets two bites at the apple?Terrible.This type of behavior is not at all unprecedented in the NFL for teams who clinch early or are out of contention. I agree that someone should speak with the owner and if he sticks with his lineup then you can push him out after the season. Having any other owner submit two lineups is bad craziness.

? Let's not confuse this with what real NFL teams do...a better analogy would be something like this...I am pretty sure there is no rule that states explicitly that I cannot start a thread accusing another poster of being a child molester. Would I get kicked out for that? I am pretty sure that I would.

Being a bad fantasy owner now is akin to false accusations about child molestation?

Not on a case to case level...of course being a child stalker is way more serious. But deliberatly tanking a game is something that runs counter to anything in any sport. It does not compare to resting players for the playoffs in the real world, because those teams are obviously trying to stave off catastrophe by sitting players...even teams that tank for draft pick purposes are doing it for something that will benefit themselves in the long run. This, as described, is collusion. Obviously there is some sort of side deal going on. It is exactly the same as throwing a pro or college game for gambling. It is a total and complete lack of integrety that makes everyone look bad and discolors the results of the whole league because no one knows how things would turn out other wise, not only will a team probably get screwed out of the playoffs, but it would also affect seedings and who plays who. Thinking more, I would actually kick them both out. I mean, who the f cares? If this kind of bs is happening in your league then the league is tainted anyways... nowadays, there is enough ff interest to easily start a new league with other people. You could also just join a league and save ourself the headache of being commish. I play in a pretty long standing serious/fun money league. There is no way anyone would even think about doing this...I mean, people who conspire to do crap like this are the type of folks who steal money from old people. No scruples whatsoever.

 

[Jersey35]

You don't have to have a rule in place for tanking to step in. Your job as commish is to run the league properly. Talk to him and make sure he's just joking around. If he's not, fix the lineup and let him know he can look for a new league next year. Hopefully it doesn't affect your team, but even if it did, it's the right thing to do.

100% agree. The lack of a rule preventing something that is OBVIOUSLY detrimental to the league should not stop you from stepping in and fixing it. In my league bylaws we even have a rule that says that the commish has the power to step in and make a decision for the good of the league in situations where there is an oversight in the rules.

 

[The Moz]

he did change L. White to Caddy ??? not sure if this makes it better though.

sad is -- this league has been great to commish up until this point.

I still hope he comes to his senses and makes the changes on his own.

 

[PosterNutBag]

he did change L. White to Caddy ??? not sure if this makes it better though. sad is -- this league has been great to commish up until this point.I still hope he comes to his senses and makes the changes on his own.

Caddy over Addai is plausible, although might not seem like the smart play to mostI edit the advice I gave above to leave Caddy in there and sub out Brandon Jackson now for Mendenhall ... that's the only thing I would change from what I said previously (assuming nothing else changes)No way you can let this happen under your watch as commish.Did you talk to him? You have not commented on what steps you have taken (if any) since your last post.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

he did change L. White to Caddy ??? not sure if this makes it better though. sad is -- this league has been great to commish up until this point.I still hope he comes to his senses and makes the changes on his own.

Have you actually talked to him yet?

 

[Northbound Train]

I Commish several leagues...this is a tough one.

First off....the #1 job of the Commish is to have active owners that are setting theri best lineups....sometimes you can't control that.

I personally would not intervene and switch his RBs out....

It's not like he's sitting AP and/or Chris Johnson for Maurice Morris and Brian Leonard Although Addai & Mendenhall should put up better numbers than Jackson + White I don't think it's so severe that it warrants the Commish to make the changes.

What do the other Owners think/want If this may directly effect 4 playoff seeds than I would more than likely get all Owners involved for an immediate decision....DON'T do this on your own, you'll get slammed no matter what.

I'd also seriously think about bouncing him from any future leagues.

 

[MIMN]

It just dawned on me that none of my leagues have rules in place to prevent the commish from paying winners with coupons.####!

Mine have no rules about dropping Mendenhall for Moats.Every league should have an either explicit or inplied "Competitiveness" rule as well as "Intent of the rules".As a commish you should definitely tell the owner that you consider this lineup a problem ASAP. Let them decide what action they want to take. If they give you a valid reason for their starts then they stand. If you are going to kick them out of the league anyway then maybe call for an owner vote later today. If everyone is ok with it then do it. Be sure to point out that it sets a precident.Moss over Boldin is not a stretch given that many site have them rank very close this week. He might be playing the "better chance to blow up" card. Washington will be playing catch up starting pretty early.

 

[craxie]

Who's to say he doesn't have some unknown information or different rankings than you do?

This seems like a really simple objection to overcome.Commish sets the roster to the best of his judgmentIf, by some miracle, the original roster scores better, retroactively fix it and use that oneHe can't complain about getting screwed and the others can't complain about tanking.

So instead of submitting one questionable roster his team gets two bites at the apple?

Except that in reality he is so obviously tanking, the ONLY chance he has is with the lineup the commish setsthe possible reversion is a legal fiction solely so the owner has no room for complaint

 

[Drinkin Buddy]

You don't have to have a rule in place for tanking to step in. Your job as commish is to run the league properly. Talk to him and make sure he's just joking around. If he's not, fix the lineup and let him know he can look for a new league next year. Hopefully it doesn't affect your team, but even if it did, it's the right thing to do.

This is the correct answer. You don't need anything written in the rules to prevent someone from tanking. A league has to be run with the understanding that everyone is trying to win all their games in any given year. Tanking is against the basic principles of fair competition it is a given. Talk to him, I'd be very direct about it: "Tanking games is against the rules (whether written or not) if you don't put your best lineup in you will be removed from the league and the lineup will be adjusted as this would severely damage the integrity of the league".

 

[Chaka]

Who's to say he doesn't have some unknown information or different rankings than you do?

This seems like a really simple objection to overcome.Commish sets the roster to the best of his judgmentIf, by some miracle, the original roster scores better, retroactively fix it and use that oneHe can't complain about getting screwed and the others can't complain about tanking.

So instead of submitting one questionable roster his team gets two bites at the apple?

Except that in reality he is so obviously tanking, the ONLY chance he has is with the lineup the commish setsthe possible reversion is a legal fiction solely so the owner has no room for complaint

An owner should never set another teams lineup. At the very least you need a third party to set it.Is this a redraft, dynasty or keeper?How is draft order for next season determined?If draft order next season is determined by this season's record (and absent a rule against tanking) then the commish should absolutely NOT TOUCH HIS LINEUP with a third party or otherwise.

 

[GregR_2]

Who's to say he doesn't have some unknown information or different rankings than you do?

This seems like a really simple objection to overcome.Commish sets the roster to the best of his judgment

If, by some miracle, the original roster scores better, retroactively fix it and use that one

He can't complain about getting screwed and the others can't complain about tanking.

So instead of submitting one questionable roster his team gets two bites at the apple?Terrible.

This type of behavior is not at all unprecedented in the NFL for teams who clinch early or are out of contention. I agree that someone should speak with the owner and if he sticks with his lineup then you can push him out after the season.

Having any other owner submit two lineups is bad craziness.

NFL teams don't always field their best lineup to avoid injury risk to key players. Which is a legitimate primary reason for doing so within what most people would accept to be the guiding ethics, goals and sportsmanship behind the sport (and business) of football.Fantasy teams normally have no such legitimate reason for not fielding their best players. While it may be true that the end result has an NFL precedent... there isn't an NFL precedent for doing it for the reasons that fantasy teams would do it.

I think if NFL teams started throwing games for similar reasons in the NFL, that the league would step in the same as people are saying a commish should in fantasy.

 

[Chaka]

Who's to say he doesn't have some unknown information or different rankings than you do?

This seems like a really simple objection to overcome.Commish sets the roster to the best of his judgment

If, by some miracle, the original roster scores better, retroactively fix it and use that one

He can't complain about getting screwed and the others can't complain about tanking.

So instead of submitting one questionable roster his team gets two bites at the apple?Terrible.

This type of behavior is not at all unprecedented in the NFL for teams who clinch early or are out of contention. I agree that someone should speak with the owner and if he sticks with his lineup then you can push him out after the season.

Having any other owner submit two lineups is bad craziness.

NFL teams don't always field their best lineup to avoid injury risk to key players. Which is a legitimate primary reason for doing so within what most people would accept to be the guiding ethics, goals and sportsmanship behind the sport (and business) of football.Fantasy teams normally have no such legitimate reason for not fielding their best players. While it may be true that the end result has an NFL precedent... there isn't an NFL precedent for doing it for the reasons that fantasy teams would do it.

I think if NFL teams started throwing games for similar reasons in the NFL, that the league would step in the same as people are saying a commish should in fantasy.

Which is why I asked how they establish draft position for next season. Teams tanking to improve draft position is not unprecedented in any sport, less so in the NFL now that the price tag for the #1 pick has become so ridiculous (which is not a concern for fantasy leagues that hold a draft).If tanking his final few games puts him in better position for next season then let him. And if it does not help him you still should not have another owner set his lineup.

BTW a good way to avoid tanking, even without a specific rule against it, is to have a weekly cash prize for the high scoring team of each week.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

1. DO NOT change his lineup at all. Regardless if there is a rule or not for tanking, a commish should not set a lineup without the owner's permission. What if he legimitately thinks that White may do better than Caddy this week? Just because you don't think it is his best lineup, doesn't mean he agrees with you. Stupidity does not need to be policed.

If he is tanking, then let him make him own bed. While it may suck for the rest of the league, once an example is made, then it won't happen again.

2. Just publicly let him know that if he does not play what is perceived as an attempt to win the week, then that he runs the risk of being voted out of the league.

3. If he does go through with pulling a stunt like that, the take him to task and actually have a vote to boot him from the league.

 

[jcuadrado]

Change the lineup. People in these threads get so caught up in league rules that they lose track of common sense. Use your judgment.

contact the dude first and try to straighten things out...if that fails then do the above...

 

[DropKick]

If the commish is also a league owner he should never tamper with another teams lineup.Absent rules for this situation the commish should not tamper with another lineup.If the commish does tamper with the lineup he should remove the offending owner from the league with a full refund of league fees. But the commish (or another owner) should never, ever set another team's lineup.

First of all, don't listen to any candy butt advice like the above. A "full refund"? OK, right!Upon being eliminated from play-off contention, the guy weakens his roster from top to bottom?Ask him to change it... if he doesn't take over the team. Set his line-up with common sense.For everyone that "needs" a rule to get out of their own way, you said you have one: "if you try to intentionally disrupt the league you are kicked out w/o refund.". What disrupts a league more than throwing games?

 

[Lobary]

Change the lineup. People in these threads get so caught up in league rules that they lose track of common sense. Use your judgment.

The lack of common sense in these kinds of threads dumbfounds me. You don't need a freakin rule for something obvious like this. Duh.

 

[Chaka]

If the commish is also a league owner he should never tamper with another teams lineup.Absent rules for this situation the commish should not tamper with another lineup.If the commish does tamper with the lineup he should remove the offending owner from the league with a full refund of league fees. But the commish (or another owner) should never, ever set another team's lineup.

First of all, don't listen to any candy butt advice like the above. A "full refund"? OK, right!Upon being eliminated from play-off contention, the guy weakens his roster from top to bottom?Ask him to change it... if he doesn't take over the team. Set his line-up with common sense.For everyone that "needs" a rule to get out of their own way, you said you have one: "if you try to intentionally disrupt the league you are kicked out w/o refund.". What disrupts a league more than throwing games?

I am sorry that you feel this way but the truth is that he paid his fees and there are no rules in place to prevent his behavior (not to mention that we still do not know if he will benefit in the future with better draft position by tanking) so the commish has zero actual or moral authority to make this change.To many of you believe that you are the final arbiter of other people's actions. If the commish changes his lineup without his permission then he is not receiving the product for which he paid and therefore deserves a complete refund. It sucks but sometimes doing the right thing sucks. Welcome to life.

 

[The Comedian]

SP flexing it's intellectual muscle in this thread.

 

[PosterNutBag]

If the commish is also a league owner he should never tamper with another teams lineup.Absent rules for this situation the commish should not tamper with another lineup.If the commish does tamper with the lineup he should remove the offending owner from the league with a full refund of league fees. But the commish (or another owner) should never, ever set another team's lineup.

First of all, don't listen to any candy butt advice like the above. A "full refund"? OK, right!Upon being eliminated from play-off contention, the guy weakens his roster from top to bottom?Ask him to change it... if he doesn't take over the team. Set his line-up with common sense.For everyone that "needs" a rule to get out of their own way, you said you have one: "if you try to intentionally disrupt the league you are kicked out w/o refund.". What disrupts a league more than throwing games?

I am sorry that you feel this way but the truth is that he paid his fees and there are no rules in place to prevent his behavior (not to mention that we still do not know if he will benefit in the future with better draft position by tanking) so the commish has zero actual or moral authority to make this change.To many of you believe that you are the final arbiter of other people's actions. If the commish changes his lineup without his permission then he is not receiving the product for which he paid and therefore deserves a complete refund. It sucks but sometimes doing the right thing sucks. Welcome to life.

A full refund would be laughable. I hear what you are saying (I guess we'll agree to disagree), but that's a ridiculous conclusion since what we are talking about is starting Brandon Jackson (with Grant healthy) over Mendenhall who is playing one of the league's worst run defenses at home. Also, possibly Leinart over a starting Warner (assuming he would say, "oh, i didn't have a chance to check my lineup an hour before game time to see that Warner (also on his roster) was actually starting). That's just inexcusable to put forth a lineup like that (Brandon Jackson over Mendenhall being the major part of my argument) when it's crunch time in the league and you are in effect deciding the entire season for several teams not involved.