Commish question -- need advice quickly (1 Viewer)

[meatwad1]

If the commish is also a league owner he should never tamper with another teams lineup.

Absent rules for this situation the commish should not tamper with another lineup.

If the commish does tamper with the lineup he should remove the offending owner from the league with a full refund of league fees. But the commish (or another owner) should never, ever set another team's lineup.

First of all, don't listen to any candy butt advice like the above. A "full refund"? OK, right!Upon being eliminated from play-off contention, the guy weakens his roster from top to bottom?

Ask him to change it... if he doesn't take over the team. Set his line-up with common sense.

For everyone that "needs" a rule to get out of their own way, you said you have one: "if you try to intentionally disrupt the league you are kicked out w/o refund.". What disrupts a league more than throwing games?

I am sorry that you feel this way but the truth is that he paid his fees and there are no rules in place to prevent his behavior (not to mention that we still do not know if he will benefit in the future with better draft position by tanking) so the commish has zero actual or moral authority to make this change.To many of you believe that you are the final arbiter of other people's actions. If the commish changes his lineup without his permission then he is not receiving the product for which he paid and therefore deserves a complete refund. It sucks but sometimes doing the right thing sucks. Welcome to life.

I think you missed the part where he says there is a rule against intentionally disrupting the league. Also, morals are thrown out the window once a person commitss blatant dooshbaggary by playing non starters the last week of the season for sh*ts and giggles.Also...welcome to life? lol Obviously, the right thing to do is very different depending on whose perspective we are talking about. Your asinine welcome to life connection is ironic because it most likely is going to apply to the dirtbag who will have his lineup changed by the commish...that is if he has any balls.

 

[cgh3rd]

This is typical of what happens when you bring a question such as this to the forum. You only get confusion and usually conflicting possible solutions. The ethics of running a FF league varies. I have never changed a lineup in 16 years. I doubt I ever will. Then again I have never had an owner try to tank. I have had to email owners and encourage them to get their act together but even that has been rare. Typically real life had engulfed them and FF was the least of their concerns.

Follow your league rules and bring up the integrity of the league whenever you get a chance. I also have a small group of owners I bounce things off of when issues come up to make sure I'm not going rogue on the league. So usually I have the support of the most influential owners when I get ready to deal with these kind of issues.

The thing that stinks about this is you usually only get one chance to screw up. Most of the time things can be fixed in the off season but if you alienate the majority of owners your done. If you are truly doing what is best for the league you will have very little opposition with your decisions. By all means do not let the owners vote on this as this falls clearly into the Commish's responsibilities unless you have goofy voting rules on trades and crap like that. I have always preferred strong commish rules where owners never vote on in-season stuff like trades or any other stuff. It just creates too much rancor.

Addressing your specific situation, Mendenhall and Addai are must starts over Jackson and White the rest is debatable but only adds to the evidence of tanking except for the Leinart start. He is tanking it. If an owner tanks it in one of my leagues he would be done, maybe even before the season is over. He would have to do some serious talking just to be able to finish the season because it is impossible to justify. I would have first asked him if he was serious about his starting lineup since he can change it right up to game time in our league. If he was serious, I would inform him about my thoughts on the integrity of the league ramifications to see if I could influence him. If that didn't work, (at this point he would be out of my league for next year already, because who has time for this crap? I have a waiting list of owners who want to run their team with integrity) I would start networking with other owners to get a feel about what action to take. Honestly, I would be ready to boot him if I had general owner support which I'm sure I would have. I would seek to have him replaced with another owner so I don't have to deal with the lineup decision myself.

 

[Chaka]

Too many people who think they have a right to run other people's teams in this thread (I would hate to see any of you with real power over other people's lives).

The owner is allowed to submit this roster.

The commish is not allowed to change other owner's rosters (he has the ability but not the authority).

If the commish breaks the rules the owner deserves a refund.

Sorry, that's life.

I still want to know how draft order for next season is established. OP?

 

[Chaka]

For the sake of clarity I do not agree with the owner submitting the weak lineup I am merely supporting his right to submit the weak roster.

 

[DropKick]

Too many people who think they have a right to run other people's teams in this thread (I would hate to see any of you with real power over other people's lives).

The owner is allowed to submit this roster.

The commish is not allowed to change other owner's rosters (he has the ability but not the authority).

If the commish breaks the rules the owner deserves a refund.

Sorry, that's life.

I still want to know how draft order for next season is established. OP?

Apparently, the guys stopped running his "team" in a competitive fashion. The commish wouldn't be breaking any rules. The only thing the guy is entitled to is a boot from the league.

 

[gianmarco]

If the commish is also a league owner he should never tamper with another teams lineup.Absent rules for this situation the commish should not tamper with another lineup.If the commish does tamper with the lineup he should remove the offending owner from the league with a full refund of league fees. But the commish (or another owner) should never, ever set another team's lineup.

First of all, don't listen to any candy butt advice like the above. A "full refund"? OK, right!Upon being eliminated from play-off contention, the guy weakens his roster from top to bottom?Ask him to change it... if he doesn't take over the team. Set his line-up with common sense.For everyone that "needs" a rule to get out of their own way, you said you have one: "if you try to intentionally disrupt the league you are kicked out w/o refund.". What disrupts a league more than throwing games?

I am sorry that you feel this way but the truth is that he paid his fees and there are no rules in place to prevent his behavior (not to mention that we still do not know if he will benefit in the future with better draft position by tanking) so the commish has zero actual or moral authority to make this change.To many of you believe that you are the final arbiter of other people's actions. If the commish changes his lineup without his permission then he is not receiving the product for which he paid and therefore deserves a complete refund. It sucks but sometimes doing the right thing sucks. Welcome to life.

The guy is out of the playoffs. He paid his money and played the entire year. If he's going to try and disrupt the league in the final week before playoffs and then expect a complete refund if his lineup was altered, then that's laughable. The integrity of the league > one disgruntled/careless/obnoxious owner. Even if there isn't a rule for that.HTH.

 

[Chaka]

I agree that it does not appear to be a cool move but he has changed the lineup since the OP so it is not like he is putting his team on auto pilot.

Let's get some clarification about what advantage this owner may receive before we say he is throwing away the competitive integrity of the league. If he is jockeying for better draft position then let him go.

If the commish absolutely cannot demonstrate enough restraint to do the right thing then he needs to get a third party to submit the lineup. Owners should never be allowed to set two starting rosters.

 

[PosterNutBag]

bumped to hopefully hear from The Moz with an update on what went down including league-wide reaction

 

[spOOfy]

Yeah, I'm curious now too.

 

[The Moz]

the owner ended up posting his legit line up and turns out was just ####ing arourd -- though I loved the different responses here as commish of several leagues its good info

 

[Big]

A philosophical question remains, and I don't think I would like to play in a league that is so controlling of my strategy as an owner, even if that strategy was not readily apparent. Two cases:

1. Our league keeps 2 players (1 RB max) and bases next year's serpentine draft on finish order this year. If I lose this game and can still make the playoffs but improve my draft stock next year why not?

2. If I am going to the playoffs and face a certain path to the title that is threatening - maybe late rising #2 and/or #3 teams that are more feared than the #1 that got early wins before injuries... It would benefit my path to the title game to seek the easier path and get to #4.

I should have the total control of my own domain within a fantasy league in which I am involved, and that control is limited to pickups and lineup setting. These are the only tools that allow you to "play" FF. Take those away and why do I own a team. And no, an owner should not be forced into playing his team how you would, as long as you believe in his true competitiveness - how he chooses to get there is up to him. That said I am our league's 1 seed and top scorer, but am that team I can see people wanting to play instead of the #2 or #3 seeds (lost several players to injury 2nd half of season and my team is duct taped together).

$0.02

 

[rock753]

No set rules on it. I guess thats My fault -- there is a rule that if you try to intentiallay disrupt the league you are kicked out w/o refund. don't know if that qaulifies though

Certainly it does. Tanking a game to effect the playoffs would qualify as a disruption of the league. And if you kick him out now, you will have to take control of the team, thus allowing you to change the line-up.

 

[rock753]

A philosophical question remains, and I don't think I would like to play in a league that is so controlling of my strategy as an owner, even if that strategy was not readily apparent. Two cases:1. Our league keeps 2 players (1 RB max) and bases next year's serpentine draft on finish order this year. If I lose this game and can still make the playoffs but improve my draft stock next year why not?2. If I am going to the playoffs and face a certain path to the title that is threatening - maybe late rising #2 and/or #3 teams that are more feared than the #1 that got early wins before injuries... It would benefit my path to the title game to seek the easier path and get to #4.I should have the total control of my own domain within a fantasy league in which I am involved, and that control is limited to pickups and lineup setting. These are the only tools that allow you to "play" FF. Take those away and why do I own a team. And no, an owner should not be forced into playing his team how you would, as long as you believe in his true competitiveness - how he chooses to get there is up to him. That said I am our league's 1 seed and top scorer, but am that team I can see people wanting to play instead of the #2 or #3 seeds (lost several players to injury 2nd half of season and my team is duct taped together).$0.02

I guess we play the game for different reasons.I play to have fun, and I am only having fun if the other members of my league are having fun. Tanking games to gain any sort of an advantage is not fun for the other members of my league.I know cash is at stake in most leagues, the cash is just the to make things a little more interesting, IMO.