Commish Question (1 Viewer)

[SCT]

Any other commissioners notice that the espn scoring often does not add up right if you go and break it down player by player in full score mode? Example this morning, would be Matt Ryan. Last night they had him at 31. This morning he is at 33. If you add it up, his stats earn him 31. I've seen it where one player or DST has 2 points less than they should but someone else has been given 2 points more so it works out too. This happens a lot if you take the time to add things yourself. I think if you went back and did it for every player, every team, every week, you'd find a nightmare situation in your league's results.

 

[Topes]

Have not seen this.

you might get a better response with a better thread title.

 

[rizzler]

Looks to me like it should be 30.

320yds passing = 16pts (assuming 1pt/20yds)

4 tds = 16pts (assuming 6pts/td)

1 fumble = -2 (or whatever it is in your league)

So it could be about 30 or 31 depending on league settings....

Lastly, sites usually change stats on about wednesday or earlier. so relax. it'll likely be fixed.

 

[SCT]

Looks to me like it should be 30.320yds passing = 16pts (assuming 1pt/20yds)4 tds = 16pts (assuming 6pts/td)1 fumble = -2 (or whatever it is in your league)So it could be about 30 or 31 depending on league settings....Lastly, sites usually change stats on about wednesday or earlier. so relax. it'll likely be fixed.

QB Matt Ryan, Atl QB @CarW 31-23 22/38 320 4 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 33No fumble here.We go 1 point every 25 yds for QB with 3 point bonus for 300.So, 15 for yardage, 16 for TDs. 31. That's it.I've seen these not get fixed before the next week's games start (meaning they are never fixed.)

 

[rick6668]

Click on the scoring breakdown via matchup and it will show you how it adds up the points.

It shows all the points in each category.

You must be missing something.. Long TD worth more? had a 75yd'er

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I didn't see the game, but looking at the stats I see Matt Ryan fumbled and then recovered his own fumble. Perhaps your scoring settings are set up funny, where Ryan's getting 2 extra points for recovering the fumble or something. I find it hard to believe ESPN has a systemic, ongoing problem with scoring that hasn't been fixed. I'm more inclined to believe that if you've seen this kind of thing happen before, and it's always 2 points off, you probably have something set up incorrectly in your scoring settings.

Lastly, sites usually change stats on about wednesday or earlier. so relax. it'll likely be fixed.

You're talking about something different. If the NFL releases stat changes on Wednesday or Thursday, websites like ESPN will update accordingly. But I think OP is suggesting that ESPN has the correct stats but is scoring them incorrectly, which is a separate issue.

 

[Irish Catholic]

I do believe ESPN gives points for recovering your own fumble, however ridiculous that is. I've seen that happen against me before. That could account for your discrepency.

But I have seen mistakes on ESPN as well that were never corrected. For example, a few weeks ago Chicago scored 2 defensive TDs which were counted against my Lions defense, resulting in a -7 points against me. Pretty sure defensive TDs shouldn't count against the opposing defense. Didn't matter in the final scheme so I never pursued it. But the lesson is that you can't necessarily trust ESPN's scoring across the board if you're in a close matchup.

I still think I was cheated out of a sack in the Pitt-Clev game on Thursday but that is a matter of debate since I don't think it was called a sack on the field.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

But I have seen mistakes on ESPN as well that were never corrected. For example, a few weeks ago Chicago scored 2 defensive TDs which were counted against my Lions defense, resulting in a -7 points against me. Pretty sure defensive TDs shouldn't count against the opposing defense.

I'm sure that wasn't a mistake. Again, that's probably just how your league scoring is set up. In my experience, for the record, defensive TDs always count against the opposing defense. You can argue that they shouldn't, and you'd have a good case, but that would be something you'd have to set up in your scoring. Unless you went in and specified that the points against your defense should exclude points scored by their opponent's defense, I'm sure this wasn't a mistake by ESPN. That's how most, if not all, sites will score it unless you manually change it.

I'm not saying it's impossible for a site like ESPN to make a mistake. But they've been in the fantasy business for at least a few years and presumably host thousands upon thousands of leagues. If their website was really broken, they'd have found out about it by now and fixed it. In 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% of these cases, it's not ESPN's fault, it's because you set something up wrong in your league settings.

 

[RCon]

But I have seen mistakes on ESPN as well that were never corrected. For example, a few weeks ago Chicago scored 2 defensive TDs which were counted against my Lions defense, resulting in a -7 points against me. Pretty sure defensive TDs shouldn't count against the opposing defense.

I'm sure that wasn't a mistake. Again, that's probably just how your league scoring is set up. In my experience, for the record, defensive TDs always count against the opposing defense. You can argue that they shouldn't, and you'd have a good case, but that would be something you'd have to set up in your scoring. Unless you went in and specified that the points against your defense should exclude points scored by their opponent's defense, I'm sure this wasn't a mistake by ESPN. That's how most, if not all, sites will score it unless you manually change it.

I'm not saying it's impossible for a site like ESPN to make a mistake. But they've been in the fantasy business for at least a few years and presumably host thousands upon thousands of leagues. If their website was really broken, they'd have found out about it by now and fixed it. In 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% of these cases, it's not ESPN's fault, it's because you set something up wrong in your league settings.

As far as I know, ESPN has no option to not count defensive scores in total points against the defense. All points against count, no matter how they happened.

 

[Irish Catholic]

I know Yahoo does not count defensive scores against the opposing defense. I couldn't find an express rule on ESPN.

When I said it was a mistake to count such points I didn't mean a mathematical error but rather a setting error since they shouldn't count those points. Since I found an express rule on that issue in Yahoo I assumed that was pretty standard. Couldn't imagine that anyone would intentionally make the decision to count defensive TDs against the opposing defense. Opposing defense isn't on the field and has nothing to do with the play.

Giving credit for recovering your own fumble is almost as obvious IMO. Obvious meaning stupid.

So it's not a matter of the website being broken; but rather that the formula neglected to account for certain unusual situations. I still call it an ESPN error and if it made the difference in a game I would want my commissioner to fix it.

I don't see how you can blame the league for not fixing that setting. We sign up via ESPN because we trust they have anticipated the various possibilities and have settings in place to address it reasonably. If they didn't think of it -- or thought of it and made a ridiculous decision on it (which is worse IMO) -- that's on ESPN, not my league.

I don't even think there is a setting to adjust how to count recovery of your own fumble or defensive TDs. (But I'm not a commish so I don't know for sure.)

 

[SCT]

Click on the scoring breakdown via matchup and it will show you how it adds up the points.It shows all the points in each category.You must be missing something.. Long TD worth more? had a 75yd'er

Ya, I did that first. That's the way I've been discovering the mistakes.I've double checked and our scoring system is totally sound and the way I thought it was....scores don't add up right.

 

[Topes]

In my experience, for the record, defensive TDs always count against the opposing defense. You can argue that they shouldn't, and you'd have a good case, but that would be something you'd have to set up in your scoring. Unless you went in and specified that the points against your defense should exclude points scored by their opponent's defense, I'm sure this wasn't a mistake by ESPN. That's how most, if not all, sites will score it unless you manually change it.

CBS finally allowed leagues to set this option a few years back. It allows points for PA DEF and PA DST categories.

It was very welcome. No more adjusting scores manually every week.

 

[Topes]

Click on the scoring breakdown via matchup and it will show you how it adds up the points.

It shows all the points in each category.

You must be missing something.. Long TD worth more? had a 75yd'er

Ya, I did that first. That's the way I've been discovering the mistakes.I've double checked and our scoring system is totally sound and the way I thought it was....scores don't add up right.

You saying they're showing atable of categories and points awarded in each, and the total points don't equal the sum of the parts?

You sure you're on the breakdown?

You got a screen shot?

 

[SCT]

Click on the scoring breakdown via matchup and it will show you how it adds up the points.

It shows all the points in each category.

You must be missing something.. Long TD worth more? had a 75yd'er

Ya, I did that first. That's the way I've been discovering the mistakes.I've double checked and our scoring system is totally sound and the way I thought it was....scores don't add up right.

You saying they're showing atable of categories and points awarded in each, and the total points don't equal the sum of the parts?

You sure you're on the breakdown?

You got a screen shot?

My bad you're right. I didn't know about that table. It gave him 2 points for the fumble recovery. I don't see how to fix that though, since the only fumble recovery for 2 points setting is under "defensive players". There is the "miscellaneous" category in the settings but that only allows fumbles recovered for a td and for fumbles lost.

 

[rick6668]

Click on the scoring breakdown via matchup and it will show you how it adds up the points.

It shows all the points in each category.

You must be missing something.. Long TD worth more? had a 75yd'er

Ya, I did that first. That's the way I've been discovering the mistakes.I've double checked and our scoring system is totally sound and the way I thought it was....scores don't add up right.

You saying they're showing atable of categories and points awarded in each, and the total points don't equal the sum of the parts?

You sure you're on the breakdown?

You got a screen shot?

My bad you're right. I didn't know about that table. It gave him 2 points for the fumble recovery. I don't see how to fix that though, since the only fumble recovery for 2 points setting is under "defensive players". There is the "miscellaneous" category in the settings but that only allows fumbles recovered for a td and for fumbles lost.

I knew that would show it. Not sure what you can/should do at this point. Players in your league have been getting those points all year, can't change it now.

 

[SCT]

Click on the scoring breakdown via matchup and it will show you how it adds up the points.

It shows all the points in each category.

You must be missing something.. Long TD worth more? had a 75yd'er

Ya, I did that first. That's the way I've been discovering the mistakes.I've double checked and our scoring system is totally sound and the way I thought it was....scores don't add up right.

You saying they're showing atable of categories and points awarded in each, and the total points don't equal the sum of the parts?

You sure you're on the breakdown?

You got a screen shot?

My bad you're right. I didn't know about that table. It gave him 2 points for the fumble recovery. I don't see how to fix that though, since the only fumble recovery for 2 points setting is under "defensive players". There is the "miscellaneous" category in the settings but that only allows fumbles recovered for a td and for fumbles lost.

I knew that would show it. Not sure what you can/should do at this point. Players in your league have been getting those points all year, can't change it now.

No I meant for next year because that's a stupid scoring category.

 

[RUSF18]

I didn't get those fumble points for Ryan in an ESPN league. Not the commish, so I can't tell you how to specifically do it, just letting you know there's a way since my commish clearly didn't toggle it on.

 

[SCT]

I didn't get those fumble points for Ryan in an ESPN league. Not the commish, so I can't tell you how to specifically do it, just letting you know there's a way since my commish clearly didn't toggle it on.

Do you get 2 for fumble recoveries for defensive players/teams?

 

[RUSF18]

I didn't get those fumble points for Ryan in an ESPN league. Not the commish, so I can't tell you how to specifically do it, just letting you know there's a way since my commish clearly didn't toggle it on.

Do you get 2 for fumble recoveries for defensive players/teams?

"Real" recoveries (ie not Ryan recovering his own), yes we do.

 

[rick6668]

Click on the scoring breakdown via matchup and it will show you how it adds up the points.

It shows all the points in each category.

You must be missing something.. Long TD worth more? had a 75yd'er

Ya, I did that first. That's the way I've been discovering the mistakes.I've double checked and our scoring system is totally sound and the way I thought it was....scores don't add up right.

Agree that it's a stupid category for offensive players. Especially if you don't get negative points for fumbles.You saying they're showing atable of categories and points awarded in each, and the total points don't equal the sum of the parts?

You sure you're on the breakdown?

You got a screen shot?

My bad you're right. I didn't know about that table. It gave him 2 points for the fumble recovery. I don't see how to fix that though, since the only fumble recovery for 2 points setting is under "defensive players". There is the "miscellaneous" category in the settings but that only allows fumbles recovered for a td and for fumbles lost.

I knew that would show it. Not sure what you can/should do at this point. Players in your league have been getting those points all year, can't change it now.

No I meant for next year because that's a stupid scoring category.

I agree it's a stupid scoring category for offensive players unless you are giving negative points for fumbles.

 

[RUSF18]

Most leagues that I've seen give negative points for fumbles lost, not any fumble.

 

[SCT]

Most leagues that I've seen give negative points for fumbles lost, not any fumble.

Right. Matt Ryan fumbled and recovered the same fumble. He did not get -2 because the D didn't get it. But he got +2 and I can't see how to adjust for that next year so that he doesn't get those 2 points since I think that is nuts.

 

[RUSF18]

Yeah I was responding to that other guy. Like I said, it's clearly not like that in my league, so there's a way to do what you want. Try calling ESPN. Seriously, they do answer questions like this...helped me out last year on a setting issue.

 

[SCT]

Epilogue:

Two things:

1. Ironically, I lost by 2 points in the semis because Arian Foster was awarded 3 points overnight for a fumble recovery and a TACKLE!! Bad beat. Also would have won if Novak could make 37 yard field goals. Cost me $200 minimum and a chance at 400. But enough about me.....

2. More importantly, I figured out that the default settings have individual defense points that I never paid any attention to since we play DST. In hindsight, it appears that the system considers offensive players to become defensive players upon a turnover (which they technically are obviously) and awards them those individual defensive points on tackles. The one thing I still don't get is why they give them fumble recovery points for recovering their own team's fumbles...they aren't defensive players in that case.

 

[houston]

CBS finally allowed leagues to set this option a few years back. It allows points for PA DEF and PA DST categories.It was very welcome. No more adjusting scores manually every week.

CBS did make this change, but one thing I don't like is that it still counts the PAT against a defense after a defense TD. Not sure how else to do it, but since the defense didn't give up the TD, really no way to penalize them for the PAT. I guess you could argue that the D/ST did not block the PAT so they did give it up.