Commissioner Help on Duron Carter (How can this be handled) (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Hes all the rage right now and giving me a headache.

In just about all my leagues someone has requested I create a place holder for Carter and place them on their team. Since he was an UDFA a couple of yrs ago I saw no problem in this, done it for a couple of players before in the past. Well boom, roto puts a blip about him and now people are upset that their was a placeholder built for him. The argument was that since hes not NFL eligible that he shouldn't be MFL eligible. Well MFL created their own Carter, Duron FA which to me tosses that argument out the window.

Any suggestions on how this can be handled better or how I can smooth it over, I don't want me league members fighting each other over somebody that will most likely be meaningless.

My one proposal to my leagues that when a placerholder is created, they will enter the normal Mon-Wednesday Waiver Request (all my leagues are BB) and the league will be notified. I'm not ready to propose yet because I'm still thinking about it, a rule like this will certainly crush anybody's ambitions of asking for a placeholder since it will be harder for them to acquire it and I don't think that's right.

And on the subject, how fair is it for MFL to create this player and not notify its customers that they did so?

 

[Long Ball Larry]

1) your bylaws/league settings should state what the universe of available players is.

2) if you allow players who are free agents or not NFL-eligible, then you obviously need a system for players not in the MFL database.

3) Any player that someone wants to add should be subject to the other waiver/FA process. If it is Thursday morning, presumably any player can be picked up freely. The player in the database would have the same rules. If it is Sunday night and waivers do not process until Tuesday night, then the player should be in the same situation (though if you have other rules like players on byes don't have to clear waivers, or something, then the non-NFL player would probably fit those criteria) and needs to be put into the pool as a placeholder.

4) I think that you need to notify everyone any time a placeholder is created and who it represents. That way, they can't complain about not knowing.

 

[KellysHeroes]

The leagues are notified when placeholders are built and placed on a roster

 

[cdubz]

The fact that he was NFL draft eligible and was just undrafted would theoretically make him like any other un-signed UDFA. If you allow teams to roster un-signed UDFAs, then allowing someone to roster him shouldn't be an issue (on a theoretical level).

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The leagues are notified when placeholders are built and placed on a roster

Is the pool of available players specified in the bylaws/settings?

 

[Warpig]

It's been my experience with MFL that I have to email them asking to add a player to the database. Then when they do, they email me back saying it was done. I don't remember them ever sending out a blast email to everyone every time they entered a player.

Just handle it like any other waiver issue. Person with the lowest record gets first dibs or if you use FA $s, then whomever pays the most dough wins him. Don't over complicate it. Like you said, guy probably won't amount to anything.

 

[Shutout]

The fact that he was NFL draft eligible and was just undrafted would theoretically make him like any other un-signed UDFA. If you allow teams to roster un-signed UDFAs, then allowing someone to roster him shouldn't be an issue (on a theoretical level).

Think this makes the most sense.

But if you want to try to do SOMETHING that just evens the playing field and theoretically gives everyone the same opportunity, then do a supplemental draft where people bid their future picks (assuming these are dynasty because Carter is no help in redraft).

 

[JohnnyU]

Dynasty - Have one last waiver run before the off-season begins.

Redraft - Include in current waiver run.

 

[Warhogs]

Zealots leagues addressed this last night by announcing that since he has not signed with any NFL team and won't be eligible to sign until the new calendar year that he will not be available until the first period of post season free agency next year.

I think in the end you want to try to define all events in your league bylaws but sometimes you need to communicate as a group and discuss what the league feels is a fair way to handle this issue. My view is the fair way to handle Carter is some method that would allow any team interested in him an opportunity to try to add him.

 

[JaxBill]

Hes all the rage right now and giving me a headache.

In just about all my leagues someone has requested I create a place holder for Carter and place them on their team. Since he was an UDFA a couple of yrs ago I saw no problem in this, done it for a couple of players before in the past. Well boom, roto puts a blip about him and now people are upset that their was a placeholder built for him. The argument was that since hes not NFL eligible that he shouldn't be MFL eligible. Well MFL created their own Carter, Duron FA which to me tosses that argument out the window.

Any suggestions on how this can be handled better or how I can smooth it over, I don't want me league members fighting each other over somebody that will most likely be meaningless.

My one proposal to my leagues that when a placerholder is created, they will enter the normal Mon-Wednesday Waiver Request (all my leagues are BB) and the league will be notified. I'm not ready to propose yet because I'm still thinking about it, a rule like this will certainly crush anybody's ambitions of asking for a placeholder since it will be harder for them to acquire it and I don't think that's right.

And on the subject, how fair is it for MFL to create this player and not notify its customers that they did so?

Yeah the placing on the team part is what I would have problems with(not creating a placeholder). I think your proposal that a new player would go thru normal waivers process is the most sensible.

 

[Roundhead]

Sounds like sour grapes. Don't penalize the forward thinking dynasty owner by announcing a players eligibility to the entire league. As long as said player is three years removed from high school and not eligible for the NFL draft then he is fair game to be claimed even if he's not available in the database.

 

[FUBAR]

Hes all the rage right now and giving me a headache.

In just about all my leagues someone has requested I create a place holder for Carter and place them on their team. Since he was an UDFA a couple of yrs ago I saw no problem in this, done it for a couple of players before in the past. Well boom, roto puts a blip about him and now people are upset that their was a placeholder built for him. The argument was that since hes not NFL eligible that he shouldn't be MFL eligible. Well MFL created their own Carter, Duron FA which to me tosses that argument out the window.

Any suggestions on how this can be handled better or how I can smooth it over, I don't want me league members fighting each other over somebody that will most likely be meaningless.

My one proposal to my leagues that when a placerholder is created, they will enter the normal Mon-Wednesday Waiver Request (all my leagues are BB) and the league will be notified. I'm not ready to propose yet because I'm still thinking about it, a rule like this will certainly crush anybody's ambitions of asking for a placeholder since it will be harder for them to acquire it and I don't think that's right.

And on the subject, how fair is it for MFL to create this player and not notify its customers that they did so?

Yeah the placing on the team part is what I would have problems with(not creating a placeholder). I think your proposal that a new player would go thru normal waivers process is the most sensible.

I assumed this was a first come first served waiver. If not, then you're right.

Just treat him like any player, whether in the database or not. If you wanted to claim yourself off waivers (assuming you'd be eligible for the NFL) you should be able to without notifying the league.

Owners should assume all people eligible for the NFL ate available but your site can't list millions of people.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Hes all the rage right now and giving me a headache.

In just about all my leagues someone has requested I create a place holder for Carter and place them on their team. Since he was an UDFA a couple of yrs ago I saw no problem in this, done it for a couple of players before in the past. Well boom, roto puts a blip about him and now people are upset that their was a placeholder built for him. The argument was that since hes not NFL eligible that he shouldn't be MFL eligible. Well MFL created their own Carter, Duron FA which to me tosses that argument out the window.

Any suggestions on how this can be handled better or how I can smooth it over, I don't want me league members fighting each other over somebody that will most likely be meaningless.

My one proposal to my leagues that when a placerholder is created, they will enter the normal Mon-Wednesday Waiver Request (all my leagues are BB) and the league will be notified. I'm not ready to propose yet because I'm still thinking about it, a rule like this will certainly crush anybody's ambitions of asking for a placeholder since it will be harder for them to acquire it and I don't think that's right.

And on the subject, how fair is it for MFL to create this player and not notify its customers that they did so?

Yeah the placing on the team part is what I would have problems with(not creating a placeholder). I think your proposal that a new player would go thru normal waivers process is the most sensible.

I assumed this was a first come first served waiver. If not, then you're right.

Just treat him like any player, whether in the database or not. If you wanted to claim yourself off waivers (assuming you'd be eligible for the NFL) you should be able to without notifying the league.

Owners should assume all people eligible for the NFL ate available but your site can't list millions of people.

yes, he was requested during the FCFS portion of weekly waivers

 

[Don Quixote]

Zealots leagues addressed this last night by announcing that since he has not signed with any NFL team and won't be eligible to sign until the new calendar year that he will not be available until the first period of post season free agency next year.

I think in the end you want to try to define all events in your league bylaws but sometimes you need to communicate as a group and discuss what the league feels is a fair way to handle this issue. My view is the fair way to handle Carter is some method that would allow any team interested in him an opportunity to try to add him.

Zealots does have a clear rule in its bylaws though that only players who have been drafted or signed by an NFL team at some point are eligible to be rostered. That makes it a bit different from the OP's situation.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Not in the NFL/not in the player database & there's nothing specifically in your rules about placeholders, you wait for him to be added.

If owner contacts MFL & they add Carter to their player database, fair game.

 

[Dragon1952]

The MFL database should possibly not be considered the ultimate authority as, evidently, quite a few players that should be in there aren't, and some that are shouldn't be. Enough people inquired about the absence of Carter that MFL added him. So the bottom line is he should have been there but wasn't. So using the excuse that he wasn't in the MFL database is kind of mute considering the discrepancies found there.