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Same school, great talent surrounding them. Big, not particularily mobile. Carson took until his last season to truly turn things around at the college level (and we have seen his capabilities in the NFL). Leinart has had success earlier in his college career, but seems to have more skeptics (like people stating that Cutler is the best QB in this draft-which is horse**** IMO). Is comparing Palmer vs. Leinart fair? If so, who is/was the better prospect coming out of college?

*I am asking because I do not watch that much college football.

 
About all that they have in common is that they went to the same college and won the Heisman. Palmer had all of the measurables that scouts drool over beating you with his arm and his underrated mobility. Leinart has some of the measurables but was much more of a craftsman at the position with smart throws and sliding around in the pocket and sensing the rush.

 
Palmer has all the tools and is going to be great for a long time as long as he can come back from injury. I really like what Leinart brings to the table and with the talent around him in New Orleans he could be good very quickly. I don't think Leinart will need a year on the bench to learn the offense. He played in a pro style offense and he stayed his senior year so he could master it. This kid knows the game and I think he will be good very soon. In dynasty rookie drafts I think he should go early.

 
Not saying they are comparable right now, because Palmer has proven he can do it. Leinart is a top talent, but hasn't proven himself yet.

With that said, as others have mentioned, Leinart is viewed as a bit more mobile, but less arm strength than Palmer. What I like though about Leinart, is that he has more experience coming out of college than Palmer. He's played in many, many pressure games. I think he's proven that he's up to the challenge, and just needs the opportunity now.

 
Personally, I thought Carson Palmer was overrated coming out of college, and Leinart has looked like a pro for two solid years now. I was wrong about Palmer, and I might be wrong about Leinart, but he looks like the real deal to me, more than Palmer did at the same point in his development.

 
They seem to have different personalities, all talent aside. Leinart is regarded as a laid-back surfer type, and from what I've read, some NFL types believe that his decision to stay for his senior year at USC, after they had already won the championship his junior year and when Leinart would have UNDOUBTEDLY gone #1 overall to SF, is an indication that he doesn't have the drive or passion to translate his game to the NFL just yet. And it's not as though he needed much more in the way of his degree (as I understand it, he took some sort of dance class or something in his last semester?), and the prevailing notion in some NFL circles seems to be that Leinart stayed at USC because he wanted to enjoy his celebrity status for another year. Making pouty comments after USC lost to Texas and coming off like a whiny beeatch also soured many people on Leinart's personality, but he really seems to be about as polished as they come at this stage in his career. I think there's good reason for red flags regarding Leinart's personality, we'll see how he handles himself in the NFL.

I don't remember a whole lot about Carson Palmer's reputation while he was at USC prior to the NFL draft, but I know the Bengals loved his personality and seeming desire to play in the NFL. I believe they viewed Palmer's last year at USC, coming off of a sub-par junior season and finally "figuring it out" to play at a much higher level his senior year, as a sign that he could handle a bit of adversity. I think Palmer also nearly lost his starting job at USC during his sophomore/junior seasons (a similar situation that Brady faced with Henson), but I can't say definitively whether or not that is the case.

 
Physically Palmer was the superior athlete, but Leinart is above average in most regards. Whereas Palmer had an A+ arm, Leinart has a B+ arm but has arguably shown better touch on the ball and a more proficient ability to go through his progressions. Leinart was given more responsibility in the huddle, which is as much a byproduct of his starting for 3 years to Palmer having one season under Chow in that system.

Leinart had the more comprehensive and successful body of work, whereas Palmer was the much more highly regarded prospect coming into college. Palmer, as most know, was considered a let down for much of his early college career but put it all together under Chow/Carroll.

Both have A+ footwork, throwing motions and release points. Leinart probably has a slightly better pocket presence, but again that's as much a byproduct of experience as anything else. [i'm referring to pocket presence coming out of college to be clear].

I don't understand this idea that Palmer is more intense or that Leinart lacks passion for the game. One could argue that someone willing to return to college to play the game versus becoming a millionaire indicates a true love for the game itself versus the business of it. Furthermore, the guy has the best winning percentage in D1 history IIRC; and he wasn't simply a game manager, he was a prolific player who won a Heisman and could've easily won a second.

In terms of entering the league, Leinart is considered more of a "sure thing" but his B+ measurables [versus Palmer's A+] will probably have a lot of people suggesting Leinart has a lower ceiling too. I simply don't believe that because from an athleticism standpoint he's on par, or better than the Mannings, Brady, Hasselbeck and Delhomme; who are among the standard bearers at the position currently.

 
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I don't understand this idea that Palmer is more intense or that Leinart lacks passion for the game. One could argue that someone willing to return to college to play the game versus becoming a millionaire indicates a true love for the game itself versus the business of it. Furthermore, the guy has the best winning percentage in D1 history IIRC; and he wasn't simply a game manager, he was a prolific player who won a Heisman and could've easily won a second.

In terms of entering the league, Leinart is considered more of a "sure thing" but his B+ measurables [versus Palmer's A+] will probably have a lot of people suggesting Leinart has a lower ceiling too. I simply don't believe that because from an athleticism standpoint he's on par, or better than the Mannings, Brady, Hasselbeck and Delhomme; who are among the standard bearers at the position currently.
I am misunderstanding your points here. In the first bolded part, you do realize both returned for their senior seasons....? In the second bolded part, how can Leinart be considered more of a sure thing when Palmer was the clear, far and away #1 choice the year he came out? It seems to me that Palmer was considered to be every bit as much of a sure thing in his draft class.
 
Same school, great talent surrounding them. Big, not particularily mobile. Carson took until his last season to truly turn things around at the college level (and we have seen his capabilities in the NFL). Leinart has had success earlier in his college career, but seems to have more skeptics (like people stating that Cutler is the best QB in this draft-which is horse**** IMO). Is comparing Palmer vs. Leinart fair? If so, who is/was the better prospect coming out of college?

*I am asking because I do not watch that much college football.
Watching Leinart's games this year, I don't see him being a starter in the NFL
 
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I don't understand this idea that Palmer is more intense or that Leinart lacks passion for the game. One could argue that someone willing to return to college to play the game versus becoming a millionaire indicates a true love for the game itself versus the business of it. Furthermore, the guy has the best winning percentage in D1 history IIRC; and he wasn't simply a game manager, he was a prolific player who won a Heisman and could've easily won a second.

In terms of entering the league, Leinart is considered more of a "sure thing" but his B+ measurables [versus Palmer's A+] will probably have a lot of people suggesting Leinart has a lower ceiling too. I simply don't believe that because from an athleticism standpoint he's on par, or better than the Mannings, Brady, Hasselbeck and Delhomme; who are among the standard bearers at the position currently.
I am misunderstanding your points here. In the first bolded part, you do realize both returned for their senior seasons....? In the second bolded part, how can Leinart be considered more of a sure thing when Palmer was the clear, far and away #1 choice the year he came out? It seems to me that Palmer was considered to be every bit as much of a sure thing in his draft class.
I was responding to the earlier post where someone suggested Leinart had a "surfer dude" attitude and that his decision to come back to USC somehow indicated a lack of passion for the game. That's so clearly a misinterpretation of the situation it needed clarification. That in no way suggests Palmer wasn't passionate. But as to their decisions to return for their senior years...remember Palmer needed to come back, he wouldn't have sniffed the top of the 1st round much less the top pick had he not come back for his senior season and tore it up. In Leinart's case is was quite the contrary, he most likely WOULD have been the top overall pick after his junior year but instead took the risk of going back to USC [which potentially is costing him as Bush has overtaken him as the consensus top pick].As to the second point, Leinart is more of a sure thing for several reasons. One, he's got a more comprehensive body of work in the same offense. Simple statistics here...a guy who can excel over a 30+ game span has less risk than someone who excelled over a 12 game span. Two, thanks to Palmer's success in the league, there is the perception that USC's program is "NFL friendly." Relative draft position is as much a byproduct of who else is coming out as anything. In Leinart you have less worry that he's NFL ready than you did with Palmer. Say what you will, but it's revisionist history to not acknowledge that LOTS of folks wondered whether Palmer would be worth that pick because of having only one really good season.

 
Same school, great talent surrounding them. Big, not particularily mobile. Carson took until his last season to truly turn things around at the college level (and we have seen his capabilities in the NFL). Leinart has had success earlier in his college career, but seems to have more skeptics (like people stating that Cutler is the best QB in this draft-which is horse**** IMO). Is comparing Palmer vs. Leinart fair? If so, who is/was the better prospect coming out of college?

*I am asking because I do not watch that much college football.
Watching Leinart's games this year, I don't see him being a starter in the NFL
Explain why. I've always liked his winning mentaility. He's played with superior talent, managed a game well. What makes you think he's not a starter in the NFL. I think some people think he had all that talent around him and that's why he was so good but let's remember he lost his #1 wr after his sophmore year in Mike Williams. He was also a very high recruit out of high school. I'm not saying your wrong I'd just like to know what you saw that you didn't like.
 
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I didn't say anything about his "passion for the game." I said that Leinart doesn't have an apparent desire to translate his skills to the NFL, or to put it in other words, the desire to challenge himself at the NFL level. For the life of me, I can't figure out exactly what Leinart had to gain from returning for another year of college football. If someone knows why, I'd love to hear it.

He clearly wasn't jumping at the opportunity to become an NFL quarterback.

 
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Is comparing Palmer vs. Leinart fair?
I don't think so. It's so hard to predict what rookie QBs will survive their hazing(first couple years in NFL) and still have their heads on straight and be a good QB. Bledsoe, Carr, Couch, countless rookie QBs have seemed to have set(each time) the new record for number of times being sacked. Let Leinart survive that before you compare him to anyone. It can totally ruin a QBs confidence and without that they're worthless.
 
I didn't say anything about his "passion for the game." I said that Leinart doesn't have an apparent desire to translate his skills to the NFL, or to put it in other words, the desire to challenge himself at the NFL level. For the life of me, I can't figure out exactly what Leinart had to gain from returning for another year of college football.  If someone knows why, I'd love to hear it.

He clearly wasn't jumping at the opportunity to become an NFL quarterback.
maybe he didn't want to go to SF (hasn't turned out so great for alex smith so far, has it? :) )...maybe he took calculated risk that it would be hard to end up with a WORSE team than SF... but he could possibly end up with one better... in retrospect, that looks like a good call... NO is more ready to win now in 2006 that SF was in 2005...

maybe he wanted a chance to become one of the top QBs in ncaa history & win another national championship...

maybe he isn't motivated purely by money...

another way you can read this is that he had the guts to risk a lot of money if he was injured or his stock plummeted... that shows a lot of confidence in his ability to me that he felt he would play at a high enough level in 2005 that there was not a high percentage risk of his dropping appreciably where it would compromise the high slot he COULD have had in last draft... if he indeed gets drafted #2 by saints as is almost universally projected... it looks like he was right... will there be a profound difference to his life style if he signs a $29 million contract instead of a $30 million dollar one?

the total amount he will earn over his entire career will be hugely impacted by his SECOND contract... it might be possible to make the case that by returning for another season, he will beging his pro career even more prepared than he otherwise would have been... his physical skills are probably largely the same from last year to this... but what separates him (like manning) is his football IQ & playing smarts... & he is now likely even smarter...

this could put him on firmer footing for a fast track development that could lead to an even bigger second contract payday in the future... look at palmer... he got his after just a few seasons...

by staying the extra year & learning more... he could be paving the way for a similar pre-emptive monster contract...

you can view his decision several ways... i don't see how it automatically has to be viewed in terms of negative connotations & inferences about his motives...

 
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For the life of me, I can't figure out exactly what Leinart had to gain from returning for another year of college football. If someone knows why, I'd love to hear it.
It could be he didn't want to go to a crappy team (SF is STILL really, really bad) or it could be he wanted a chance to go down as perhaps the greatest college qb ever. Both these points were already made but the real reason he stayed?Hot, young, tan southern california college chicks. Palmer even told him to stay in college one more year and enjoy things while he could.

I think it shows maturity to say I'm gonna have one last hurrah rather than grabbing the money and partying it up in the pros.

 
For the life of me, I can't figure out exactly what Leinart had to gain from returning for another year of college football.  If someone knows why, I'd love to hear it.
It could be he didn't want to go to a crappy team (SF is STILL really, really bad) or it could be he wanted a chance to go down as perhaps the greatest college qb ever. Both these points were already made but the real reason he stayed?Hot, young, tan southern california college chicks. Palmer even told him to stay in college one more year and enjoy things while he could.

I think it shows maturity to say I'm gonna have one last hurrah rather than grabbing the money and partying it up in the pros.
That makes sense. Most of the stuff I've been reading has been pretty harsh on Leinart, and I've soured on him too since his comments after the Rose Bowl game. I just don't believe he's ever had to handle adversity, and I feel like he enjoys celebrity a bit too much to be prepared for the dedication that will be required of him in the NFL.
 
I didn't say anything about his "passion for the game." I said that Leinart doesn't have an apparent desire to translate his skills to the NFL, or to put it in other words, the desire to challenge himself at the NFL level. For the life of me, I can't figure out exactly what Leinart had to gain from returning for another year of college football. If someone knows why, I'd love to hear it.

He clearly wasn't jumping at the opportunity to become an NFL quarterback.
We get mad at players all the time for leaving early instead of staying the extra year and maximize their potential. So this guy does and now he has no heart, players just can't win now days.
 
I didn't say anything about his "passion for the game." I said that Leinart doesn't have an apparent desire to translate his skills to the NFL, or to put it in other words, the desire to challenge himself at the NFL level. For the life of me, I can't figure out exactly what Leinart had to gain from returning for another year of college football. If someone knows why, I'd love to hear it.

He clearly wasn't jumping at the opportunity to become an NFL quarterback.
I cannot believe that most of you have not brought up the fact that he had shoulder surgery after his junior season. The strength of his arm is the one physical knock on him and if he had to go to the combine/workouts before surgery, he probably would have gotten knocked out of the top spot. If he had the surgery, he would not have been able to work out and that would have raised red flags again. I don't think the Leinart haters have a clue as to his mental toughness and willingness to take a challenge.
 
For the life of me, I can't figure out exactly what Leinart had to gain from returning for another year of college football.  If someone knows why, I'd love to hear it.
It could be he didn't want to go to a crappy team (SF is STILL really, really bad) or it could be he wanted a chance to go down as perhaps the greatest college qb ever. Both these points were already made but the real reason he stayed?Hot, young, tan southern california college chicks. Palmer even told him to stay in college one more year and enjoy things while he could.

I think it shows maturity to say I'm gonna have one last hurrah rather than grabbing the money and partying it up in the pros.
That makes sense. Most of the stuff I've been reading has been pretty harsh on Leinart, and I've soured on him too since his comments after the Rose Bowl game. I just don't believe he's ever had to handle adversity, and I feel like he enjoys celebrity a bit too much to be prepared for the dedication that will be required of him in the NFL.
I think Leinart will be just fine. There's been several players in the last few years that have come out maybe a year or two too early then we sit there and say "he should have stayed in another year". Now we have Leinart who went back for his senior year, which should be respected (like Peyton Manning), yet now you sit here and say "he doesn't have the passion for the game" or "he's not mature enough". He had a damn good chance of winning the heisman for a second year in a row...does anyone think this could have been another factor for him going back for his senior year? And I'm tired of hearing everyone say he had an awesome supporting cast...if I'm not mistaken, doesn't the QB have a high factor on how those other players turnout? I mean, the WR's can't throw the ball to themselves. And Reggie Bush can thank Leinart for being such a threat to opposing defenses that they couldn't stack the line, thus enabling Bush to run rampant. Leinart just seems like the consummate professional. I don't mind his "surfer dude" personna (if that is even the case). Most "surfer dudes" I know are very level headed and clear minded which is exactly what I would want my QB to be. And as far as his "celebrity" status in SC...sounds to me like he is the MOST prepared for the NFL because alot of players can't handle that type of limelight. LEINART FOR PRES! :thumbup: p.s.

I'm not even a USC fan.

 
Fwiw, you can be sure the offseason elbow surgery had plenty to do with him staying in school.

Leinart is a very very smart kid. I think he understands his limitations much more than many of his fans in this thread. For that I respect him and wish him well. I'm pretty sure another strong factor in staying in school was further developing his game after the elbow surgery. As big as his numbers were, as loud as the hype was, Matt knew he needed another year.

I've once wrote about 2000 words comparing Leinart to Palmer at FFtoday. I wish that site was still around. I linked to an old article where Leinart compared himself to Palmer. He is in awe of Palmer and knows he doesn't measure up physically, but he thinks he can compete with him in the mental parts of the game.

 
Same school, great talent surrounding them. Big, not particularily mobile. Carson took until his last season to truly turn things around at the college level (and we have seen his capabilities in the NFL). Leinart has had success earlier in his college career, but seems to have more skeptics (like people stating that Cutler is the best QB in this draft-which is horse**** IMO). Is comparing Palmer vs. Leinart fair? If so, who is/was the better prospect coming out of college?

*I am asking because I do not watch that much college football.
Leinart looked much better in college only because Palmer had the unfortunate experience of Paul Hackett coaching him for a couple years.Leinart's deep ball always has had touch, but not a lot of zip which resulted in a pick in the Rose Bowl against Texas. His head is as good as it gets and he is more mobile.

 
Leinart... is more mobile.
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yes he is...how many games have you seen of each?
Agreed. Leinart is plenty mobile.The thing I like about Matt Leinart that people seem to be forgetting is that he doesn't make bad decisions. Yeah yeah, he's had a couple plays where he might have had a better option then the one he chose, but when was the last time you saw him actually make a boneheaded, game-altering mistake? The Tom Brady comparisons are stupid in my opinion. THey are made out of convenience rather than accuracy. Leinart actually reminds me of two other UM QBs (Griese and Grbac) a lot more than he reminds me of Brady.

I think Leinart will be a fine pro. HE won't likely make a lot of fans in the fantasy community, but I think he'll be steady and when it comes crunch time in a big game down the line, we'll all be reminded of the fact that he's been a winner before.

 
Leinart... is more mobile.
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yes he is...how many games have you seen of each?
:lmao: Every game Palmer started his last two years and every game Leinart started in college. No kidding.

I've offerred my take in Leinart topics until I'm bored with it, but he is nowhere near as mobile as Carson and that's according to him, coach Carroll, coach Chow and every quality scouting report written. It's not even a debateable topic. Palmer was highly regarded for his athleticism, his strength, his basketball skills, his footwork and his quickness-- by scouts. No scouts are regarding Leinart highly for those traits (other than complimenting his footwork in the pocket). Leinart admits he isn't much of an athlete. Because you've seen him scamper into space a few times doesn't make him mobile. He is comparable to Drew Bledsoe in his reactions. He simply cannot throw on the run rolling to the right. It's an issue he is working on. He's clumbsy trying to set his feet and throw. He is okay rolling to the left. These were Carson's strengths in college as much as his pocket skills, because Palmer is a far superior athlete. Leinart can get a head of steam going when chased out of the pocket. He has no quicks and he lumbers. Bledsoe is the best comparison if you're discussing Matt's mobility. Bledsoe is probably faster.

 
Leinart... is more mobile.
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yes he is...how many games have you seen of each?
:lmao: Every game Palmer started his last two years and every game Leinart started in college. No kidding.

I've offerred my take in Leinart topics until I'm bored with it, but he is nowhere near as mobile as Carson and that's according to him, coach Carroll, coach Chow and every quality scouting report written. It's not even a debateable topic. Palmer was highly regarded for his athleticism, his strength, his basketball skills, his footwork and his quickness-- by scouts. No scouts are regarding Leinart highly for those traits (other than complimenting his footwork in the pocket). Leinart admits he isn't much of an athlete. Because you've seen him scamper into space a few times doesn't make him mobile. He is comparable to Drew Bledsoe in his reactions. He simply cannot throw on the run rolling to the right. It's an issue he is working on. He's clumbsy trying to set his feet and throw. He is okay rolling to the left. These were Carson's strengths in college as much as his pocket skills, because Palmer is a far superior athlete. Leinart can get a head of steam going when chased out of the pocket. He has no quicks and he lumbers. Bledsoe is the best comparison if you're discussing Matt's mobility. Bledsoe is probably faster.
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Leinart... is more mobile.
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yes he is...how many games have you seen of each?
Agreed. Leinart is plenty mobile.The thing I like about Matt Leinart that people seem to be forgetting is that he doesn't make bad decisions. Yeah yeah, he's had a couple plays where he might have had a better option then the one he chose, but when was the last time you saw him actually make a boneheaded, game-altering mistake?
For the most part I agree with this. Plenty mobile is a fair opinion. He doesn't have to be extremely mobile. He needs pocket presence, awareness, and the ability to buy time. He's adequate in all regards.As for his game altering bad decisions, he's been bailed out several times, but you're right about this too. He makes safe decisions, and that's a sign of his football smarts and maturity.

 
Leinart... is more mobile.
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yes he is...how many games have you seen of each?
:lmao: Every game Palmer started his last two years and every game Leinart started in college. No kidding.

I've offerred my take in Leinart topics until I'm bored with it, but he is nowhere near as mobile as Carson and that's according to him, coach Carroll, coach Chow and every quality scouting report written. It's not even a debateable topic. Palmer was highly regarded for his athleticism, his strength, his basketball skills, his footwork and his quickness-- by scouts. No scouts are regarding Leinart highly for those traits (other than complimenting his footwork in the pocket). Leinart admits he isn't much of an athlete. Because you've seen him scamper into space a few times doesn't make him mobile. He is comparable to Drew Bledsoe in his reactions. He simply cannot throw on the run rolling to the right. It's an issue he is working on. He's clumbsy trying to set his feet and throw. He is okay rolling to the left. These were Carson's strengths in college as much as his pocket skills, because Palmer is a far superior athlete. Leinart can get a head of steam going when chased out of the pocket. He has no quicks and he lumbers. Bledsoe is the best comparison if you're discussing Matt's mobility. Bledsoe is probably faster.
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Physically Palmer was the superior athlete, but Leinart is above average in most regards. Whereas Palmer had an A+ arm, Leinart has a B+ arm but has arguably shown better touch on the ball and a more proficient ability to go through his progressions. Leinart was given more responsibility in the huddle, which is as much a byproduct of his starting for 3 years to Palmer having one season under Chow in that system.

Leinart had the more comprehensive and successful body of work, whereas Palmer was the much more highly regarded prospect coming into college. Palmer, as most know, was considered a let down for much of his early college career but put it all together under Chow/Carroll.

Both have A+ footwork, throwing motions and release points. Leinart probably has a slightly better pocket presence, but again that's as much a byproduct of experience as anything else. [i'm referring to pocket presence coming out of college to be clear].

I don't understand this idea that Palmer is more intense or that Leinart lacks passion for the game. One could argue that someone willing to return to college to play the game versus becoming a millionaire indicates a true love for the game itself versus the business of it. Furthermore, the guy has the best winning percentage in D1 history IIRC; and he wasn't simply a game manager, he was a prolific player who won a Heisman and could've easily won a second.

In terms of entering the league, Leinart is considered more of a "sure thing" but his B+ measurables [versus Palmer's A+] will probably have a lot of people suggesting Leinart has a lower ceiling too. I simply don't believe that because from an athleticism standpoint he's on par, or better than the Mannings, Brady, Hasselbeck and Delhomme; who are among the standard bearers at the position currently.
I think all of these statements are completely true. The funniest part of all of this is that if Leinart had come out last year, instead of going back to college, he was guaranteed the #1 pick, and probably would have been considered to be exactly like Palmer (minus some of the arm strength). This year, everyone has had another year to see him, pick him apart, and discuss all of the great talent he had around him to the point where he is considered in some circles the 3rd best QB in this years draft (Young, Cutler). Insane.

 
Leinart... is more mobile.
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yes he is...how many games have you seen of each?
:lmao: Every game Palmer started his last two years and every game Leinart started in college. No kidding.

I've offerred my take in Leinart topics until I'm bored with it, but he is nowhere near as mobile as Carson and that's according to him, coach Carroll, coach Chow and every quality scouting report written. It's not even a debateable topic. Palmer was highly regarded for his athleticism, his strength, his basketball skills, his footwork and his quickness-- by scouts. No scouts are regarding Leinart highly for those traits (other than complimenting his footwork in the pocket). Leinart admits he isn't much of an athlete. Because you've seen him scamper into space a few times doesn't make him mobile. He is comparable to Drew Bledsoe in his reactions. He simply cannot throw on the run rolling to the right. It's an issue he is working on. He's clumbsy trying to set his feet and throw. He is okay rolling to the left. These were Carson's strengths in college as much as his pocket skills, because Palmer is a far superior athlete. Leinart can get a head of steam going when chased out of the pocket. He has no quicks and he lumbers. Bledsoe is the best comparison if you're discussing Matt's mobility. Bledsoe is probably faster.
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Leinart... is more mobile.
:no:
yes he is...how many games have you seen of each?
:lmao: Every game Palmer started his last two years and every game Leinart started in college. No kidding.

I've offerred my take in Leinart topics until I'm bored with it, but he is nowhere near as mobile as Carson and that's according to him, coach Carroll, coach Chow and every quality scouting report written. It's not even a debateable topic. Palmer was highly regarded for his athleticism, his strength, his basketball skills, his footwork and his quickness-- by scouts. No scouts are regarding Leinart highly for those traits (other than complimenting his footwork in the pocket). Leinart admits he isn't much of an athlete. Because you've seen him scamper into space a few times doesn't make him mobile. He is comparable to Drew Bledsoe in his reactions. He simply cannot throw on the run rolling to the right. It's an issue he is working on. He's clumbsy trying to set his feet and throw. He is okay rolling to the left. These were Carson's strengths in college as much as his pocket skills, because Palmer is a far superior athlete. Leinart can get a head of steam going when chased out of the pocket. He has no quicks and he lumbers. Bledsoe is the best comparison if you're discussing Matt's mobility. Bledsoe is probably faster.
loli saw all of palmer's games (mostly in person) and all of leinart's games.

:lmao: at carson the "mobile" QB...he was scouted highly because of his arm strength and was anything but mobile.

carson was not a rollout QB AT ALL.

 
Leinart... is more mobile.
:no:
yes he is...how many games have you seen of each?
:lmao: Every game Palmer started his last two years and every game Leinart started in college. No kidding.

I've offerred my take in Leinart topics until I'm bored with it, but he is nowhere near as mobile as Carson and that's according to him, coach Carroll, coach Chow and every quality scouting report written. It's not even a debateable topic. Palmer was highly regarded for his athleticism, his strength, his basketball skills, his footwork and his quickness-- by scouts. No scouts are regarding Leinart highly for those traits (other than complimenting his footwork in the pocket). Leinart admits he isn't much of an athlete. Because you've seen him scamper into space a few times doesn't make him mobile. He is comparable to Drew Bledsoe in his reactions. He simply cannot throw on the run rolling to the right. It's an issue he is working on. He's clumbsy trying to set his feet and throw. He is okay rolling to the left. These were Carson's strengths in college as much as his pocket skills, because Palmer is a far superior athlete. Leinart can get a head of steam going when chased out of the pocket. He has no quicks and he lumbers. Bledsoe is the best comparison if you're discussing Matt's mobility. Bledsoe is probably faster.
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why? :confused:

actually horrible comparisons to QBs that aren't even like them i guess is a good posting in the shark pool.

so i agree.

 
Leinart... is more mobile.
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yes he is...how many games have you seen of each?
:lmao: Every game Palmer started his last two years and every game Leinart started in college. No kidding.

I've offerred my take in Leinart topics until I'm bored with it, but he is nowhere near as mobile as Carson and that's according to him, coach Carroll, coach Chow and every quality scouting report written. It's not even a debateable topic. Palmer was highly regarded for his athleticism, his strength, his basketball skills, his footwork and his quickness-- by scouts. No scouts are regarding Leinart highly for those traits (other than complimenting his footwork in the pocket). Leinart admits he isn't much of an athlete. Because you've seen him scamper into space a few times doesn't make him mobile. He is comparable to Drew Bledsoe in his reactions. He simply cannot throw on the run rolling to the right. It's an issue he is working on. He's clumbsy trying to set his feet and throw. He is okay rolling to the left. These were Carson's strengths in college as much as his pocket skills, because Palmer is a far superior athlete. Leinart can get a head of steam going when chased out of the pocket. He has no quicks and he lumbers. Bledsoe is the best comparison if you're discussing Matt's mobility. Bledsoe is probably faster.
I probably agree with your overall point.......but how does Bledsoe come into the argument? I saw Bledsoe play in college and early on in his career and he wouldn't come into my mind when trying to compare Leinart and his scrambling ability.

 
lol

i saw all of palmer's games (mostly in person) and all of leinart's games.

:lmao: at carson the "mobile" QB...he was scouted highly because of his arm strength and was anything but mobile.

carson was not a rollout QB AT ALL.
Carson ran 4.62 at the combine. Leinart estimates he may be able to run a 4.8. Most expect him to be closer to 5.0. He's slow. He admits it. His coaches have said as much. There is literally no comparison. I've seen them both live a few times myself. Chow wanted to start Cassell because he was more mobile than Leinart and almost as mobile as Palmer. This was documented in the Daily Trojan (to which I subscribe) and the LA Times the summer of Leinart's sophomore season.

Palmer was rolled out his entire senior season and it opened up the offense. He did not enjoy the pass protection Leinart did. He also regularly made tacklers miss in the open field or he ran them over. His stiff arm is legendary stuff at USC. At 240 his very powerful and he is very athletic. Leinart is not... not as quick, not as fast, not nearly as mobile. You're wrong, bro. Sorry.

 
Leinart had six rushing TDs in 2005. He killed Cal with two rushing TDs on third down situations this year. He is not a scrambler, but he's able to run and is smart about when to run.

 
Leinart had six rushing TDs in 2005. He killed Cal with two rushing TDs on third down situations this year. He is not a scrambler, but he's able to run and is smart about when to run.
Agreed. He runs with determination when he has to. That doesn't make him more mobile than Carson. He won't break tackles and get the extra yards Carson does, but he will take what's there and he's solid getting to the marker and the flag. He has made some very bad decisions to run though. If he doesn't miraculously fumble the ball out of bounds @ ND, they lose. Byrd was wide open in the endzone. Leinart ran for it, despite three ND defenders at the goal line. Bad decision, lucky break.
 
I haven't seen that much of Leinart but comparing him to Bledsoe in terms of mobility seems a bit much. There are few QBs I can recall watching who were as slow as Drew Bledsoe.

Leinart has to have considerably more mobility than that statue, IMHO

Otherwise, I agree with most of what's been said here. Palmer is a prototype for the position in terms of his physical ability. Leinart, however, may have an edge in things like decision making and accuracy.

 
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Leinart, however, may have an edge in things like decision making and accuracy.
NO! Do you realy expect Matt to be more accurate than Palmer? You guys make Palmer sound like only a above average QB instead of a great QB. Carson is one of the best in the nfl. Matt should be compared to Eli, but not Carson or Peyton.
 
Leinart, however, may have an edge in things like decision making and accuracy.
NO! Do you realy expect Matt to be more accurate than Palmer? You guys make Palmer sound like only a above average QB instead of a great QB. Carson is one of the best in the nfl. Matt should be compared to Eli, but not Carson or Peyton.
note the word "MAY" in my statement
 
Palmer is better at almost every facet of the game IMHO...Leinart might be a quicker read...that's about it.

 

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