*** Complain about the officials thread *** (1 Viewer)

[Evilgrin 72]

Shick! will be so proud of you.

 

[3MTA3]

I'm cool with this, can we lock this thread....Seriously

Why, then we would just have 35 people start 50 more in one day. I think they should just leave this open till the has passed.

Ummmm, lock those too with bans for repeat offenders?

 

[Dynasty]

Congratulations all around.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/somu...hehero/Refs.jpg

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

I had to open this petition and take a look. I randomly clicked on one of the entries and this is what I got:

7778. MIKE HOLMGREN LOOK I'LL TAKE THE BLAME. MY CLOCK MAMGEMENT WAS TERRIBLE AND LETS NOT CONFUSE HASSLEBACK WITH FAVRE. I RODE BRETTS BACK TO MY ONE SB WIN.

too funny

 

[kupcho1]

You're a disgrace to the Boxer name.

 

[faulkfan]

If you're a Steeler fan there are two absolutes in life...

1. Franco Harris caught the Immaculate Reception without a doubt

2. The officials had NO impact on Super Bowl XL.

Those not blinded by devotion will continue to debate these issues as they have and never will be proven without question.

If you are a Seahawk fan there are two absolutes in life...

1. The Seahawks don't get enough respect

2. The Refs screwed them out of a Super Bowl.

Those not blinded by devotion will continue to debate these issues as their validity are still in question.

As to the present whining and complaining (on both sides) and something I myself have been guilty of, nothing is going to change anyones mind regardless of which side you stand on and there will be no asterisk in the record books next to Pittsburgh's name.

They won. Some might feel they didn't really earn it, but it is true that Seattle didn't either.

My suggestion is for the Steeler fans to get off this thread and let the Seahawk fans just get it off their chests. You got your Super Bowl and you have already admitted that there were questionable calls so just leave it alone. Go back to your celebrating and give the Seahawk fans the only thing they have left, which is their right to feel shafted just like you would have if the tables were turned.

For the Hawk fans. Say what you need to say and move on. You're concern now should be resigning Alexander and keeping this team together to kick butt in the suspect NFC again next year. Consider that many feel that your team got boned and you still dang near won the Super Bowl. You've done a great job of getting rid of the "soft" tag that a lot of people had pinned on you by hanging tough in less than ideal situations. There is no reason that you can't be back in the big game next year and the experience from this season should be a huge advantage for you.

Out

 

[jurb26]

PMs down?

Eyesight down?

What a novel idea for a thread

I know, I just got back from Detroit and figured that this subject probably hasn't been mentioned yet here, so I thought I'd add it. Thanks for the kudos.

I'm proud of you you managed to answer you're own question dispite not having sight!

 

[kupcho1]

18271. Whiny Tool Like other signatories, I'm a whiny tool. (The game was not fixed, the Steelers just kicked ###.)

 

[jurb26]

PMs down?

Eyesight down?

What a novel idea for a thread

I know, I just got back from Detroit and figured that this subject probably hasn't been mentioned yet here, so I thought I'd add it. Thanks for the kudos.

I'm proud of you you managed to answer you're own question dispite not having sight!

Just out of random curiousity, what exactly did you edit in this? And what the heck is your point, anyway?

To give you an eye test.... call me a nonbeliever. You passed. So I take it you do have sight but just figured you would ignore the 300 other threads about this topic and the 30 page thread about it as well.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

awesome!

the 56th thread about this topic!!!!

KEEP 'EM COMING!

 

[valhallan]

You're just a silly, blind homer if you don't agree that the officials robbed Seattle on several plays that could've kept them in the game. So stop arguing, just take your cheap ring and be happy.

So the Steelers won primarily because of a questionable holding call?

I didn't say the officials caused the Steelers to win, I said they robbed Seattle on several plays that could've keep them in the game. It's more than just the 4 you pointed out; it's the delay of game they didn't call on the Steelers, Ward's push-off on Ben's long pass, the holding call on Warrick's return, etc. And I wasn't trying to start a name-calling war, I just can't understand how any objective viewer could say the officials didn't cost Seattle several chances to get back in the game. I would bet 99% of fans with no rooting interest or money on that game would agree with me. Seriously, the Seahawks had more yardage, more time of possession, and fewer turnovers yet they lost by 11?

But anyway, you seriously should just enjoy your ring and not waste time in here. We all know this discussion doesn't matter.

 

[PsychoMan]

If you're a Steeler fan there are two absolutes in life...

1. Franco Harris caught the Immaculate Reception without a doubt

2. The officials had NO impact on Super Bowl XL.

Those not blinded by devotion will continue to debate these issues as they have and never will be proven without question.

If you are a Seahawk fan there are two absolutes in life...

1. The Seahawks don't get enough respect

2. The Refs screwed them out of a Super Bowl.

Those not blinded by devotion will continue to debate these issues as their validity are still in question.

As to the present whining and complaining (on both sides) and something I myself have been guilty of, nothing is going to change anyones mind regardless of which side you stand on and there will be no asterisk in the record books next to Pittsburgh's name.

They won. Some might feel they didn't really earn it, but it is true that Seattle didn't either.

My suggestion is for the Steeler fans to get off this thread and let the Seahawk fans just get it off their chests. You got your Super Bowl and you have already admitted that there were questionable calls so just leave it alone. Go back to your celebrating and give the Seahawk fans the only thing they have left, which is their right to feel shafted just like you would have if the tables were turned.

For the Hawk fans. Say what you need to say and move on. You're concern now should be resigning Alexander and keeping this team together to kick butt in the suspect NFC again next year. Consider that many feel that your team got boned and you still dang near won the Super Bowl. You've done a great job of getting rid of the "soft" tag that a lot of people had pinned on you by hanging tough in less than ideal situations. There is no reason that you can't be back in the big game next year and the experience from this season should be a huge advantage for you.

Out

I think this post pretty much sums #### up.

peace outty !

 

[tommyboy]

i freely admit the officiating sucked and benefitted Pittsburgh.  So what...the Hawks still had several opportunities to win the game and choked.  End of story.

I would love to have a thread that only Steeler and Seahawk fans could read and respond to. We could get the "congrats on your victory" and "you guys played a good game" posts out of the way without having to puff up our chests and protect our manhood.....I can't help but think that tommyboy would have posted something eerily similar to the above WITHOUT that "Hawks choked" comment if it was just Steelers and Seahawks reading it I think the vast majority of us would all agree...

offciating sucked,

benefitted Steelers,

Seahawks played well,

Steelers hit the big plays,

Seahawks came up just short,

Steelers are the Champs.

Everything else is picking nits.

of course you're right, I'm just sick of the whiners whining about the refs cost Seattle the game. That is only a small part of the story, what those same people ignore is the FACT that when it was 14-10 and Seattle was marching down the field to make it 14-17 Seattle, and they got an admittedly bad call on the hold that cost them the Stevens catch at the 2, they still had an opportunity to make it 14-17 or at the least 14-13, and at that moment Hasselbeck overthrew a WIDE OPEN reciever by 2 yards into Taylors hands. If you want to be the champ, you have to get points there, not throw a pick.so at the critical junction of this game, Seattle failed and Pittsburgh achieved. Yes, that's a hard fact to swallow if you're a conspiracist, much like I was when I blamed the refs for handing the Lakers game 7 of the WCF vs my beloved Blazers in 2000, but in reality in both situations the losing team failed at the critical moments of the game. In this case, on that turnover by Hasselbeck, and in my case, when the Blazers went 0 for 13 in the 4th qtr.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I'm no Keith Olbermann fan, but I thought he had an interesting observation just now on the Dan Patrick Show. More to the point, I agreed with him. He said something to the effect that the game's been over since Sunday night, but the officiating keeps getting worse and worse with every hour that goes by.

The media is running with the story, and why not? It's a sexy story, it allows them to appear to be at odds with the NFL establishment, and best of all, it's bringing them ratings because people are passionate about it. Besides, no one roots for the refs. They're an easy target.

Bingo, we now have a public agenda with is great for ratings.

Olbermann is dead-on here, IMO. I watched the game with a bunch of Seattle fans at a bar and not one of them complained about the officiating during the game.

I'd be willing to bet now that half of them (at least) are complaining to people that they got jobbed.

Dude, you're killing me! No way did "NOT ONE" of them (Seattle fans at a bar) complain about a call in that game. NOT A CHANCE.

Okay, unless they were:

A. Fearful of getting their asses kicked in Pittsburgh

B. They were an AYSO girls soccer team

This was in Orlando, not Pittsburgh, and the male Seattle fans in the area I was sitting (outside pavillion) outnumbered Steeler fans by about 3/2. There was no fear involved.It's amazing that you can be so clairvoyant as to tell me what the reaction of Seahawk fans 3,000 miles away was, but I assure you, I was sitting there, and no one was griping about bad officiating. Maybe they just recognized that despite a couple of calls that did not go their way, they still had plenty of opportunities to win.

Okay, you guys got me, I guess there really wasn't going to be a fight; and there wasn't a real live AYSO girls soccer team at the bar.

Did my post suggest somehow that I was taking you literally?Point was, they weren't holding in their displeasure with the officials for any reason - they obviously just didn't feel it was right to complain about it.

Oh man, are you cracking me up. So you knew what the Seattle fans in the bar were thinking on Sunday. That is SO sweet! Remember, you also claimed that half of them are complaining now...talk about clairvoyance.

I was talking to them the whole game and they never said boo about the officiating, despite being very vocal. Don't have to be clairvoyant to make that deduction.As far as them complaining now, I didn't say I knew that for a fact, I said I'd bet that they are.

I don't believe that for a minute. No way a bunch of Seattle fans watched that game and never said a word. NOT A CHANCE.

 

[PsychoMan]

This thread finally sat for over 15 minutes. WHY WAS IT BROUGHT BACK!?

 

[jurb26]

This thread finally sat for over 15 minutes. WHY WAS IT BROUGHT BACK!?

Because you bumped it.

 

[PsychoMan]

hAH ! whatever dude the two ppl ahead of me bumped it. now it's been bumped again!

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I don't believe that for a minute.  No way a bunch of Seattle fans watched that game and never said a word.  NOT A CHANCE.

I was watching the game. I didn't ##### about the officiating until I saw replays of how bad some of the calls were - with the only exception being the Roeth "TD."

You are 1 person. He was at a bar where he said he was outnumbered 3/2 by Sewhawk fans. Sorry, but HUGE difference. And before I go on, think about that a minute. There was not a bar in the nation that had that many Seattle fans, and likely drinking, that sat quietly and watched that crap for three hours, NEVER saying a word.

NO F'ING WAY.

 

[Irish]

You're just a silly, blind homer if you don't agree that the officials robbed Seattle on several plays that could've kept them in the game. So stop arguing, just take your cheap ring and be happy.

Settle down there, Francis. Name calling is such a compelling argument.If you bother to wade through some of the postings, you will see that fans of many other teams have agreed with Steeler fans on many of the debated calls. Fans from the Broncos, Colts, Packers and Bears, among others, have weighed in on the "Steeler side" -- even Browns, Raiders and Patriots fans, surprisingly, have weighed in pro-Steeler!

In the many posts, four calls have been most consistently mentioned as questionable or worse:

1. D Jax PI

2. Ben TD

3. Locklear hold

4. Hasselbeck tackle

Thanks to this picture, Bens TD we can see #2 is unquestionably correct.

#4 is likely the proper application of an odd or even outright bad rule, as listed a few posts above. Even if it's not, it is counterbalanced by the missed block in the back on Roethlisberger during the Herndon interception return.

#1 involves a WR using his arms to push and/or hold off a defender to gain an advantage, and it occurs directly in front of and five yards away from an official. But you, of course, think the referee should just ignore what he sees.

So we're left with #3, in which an offensive lineman has his arm hooked on a defender. And again, you will tell all of us that you have never, ever seen that called holding in an NFL game.

You know what, I'll give you #3. So the Steelers won primarily because of a questionable holding call? Nothing to do with Seattle missing 2 FGs, dropping several balls, wasting time at the end of both halves. Nothing to do with the Steelers making 3 big plays on offense to offset their inability to sustain drives.

Whatever.

So you didn't see the Pittsburgh player CLEARLY grab DJax 3 times before DJax touched the guy? I guess you also missed the part where the official doesn't even think about reaching for his flag until the Pitt guy jumps up and down whining about the pushoff. I mean you say that it was 5 feet in front of the ref so he had to call it. I've watched it 10 times on Tivo and the ref doesn't even reach for the flag until the Pitt DB starts jumping up and down in the ref's face then all of a sudden the flag comes in for OPI. This game was flat out HANDED to Pittsburgh so that they could get their perfect ending of Bettis winning his final game in his hometown. I don't even like either one of these teams, but it was obvious that the officiating was completely biased to Pitt.BTW, add the delay of game to your list of blown calls. Remember what Pitt got the first down by after they allowed the timeout? Yep, 1 freaking yard. They would have been 4 yards short of a first if the refs didn't blow that call as well. That would've given Seattle the ball back with 5+ minutes left on the clock.

So based on your argument then DJax TD wouldn't have counted anyways due to offsetting penalties. And so what if Seattle had the ball with more time on the clock, they just would have squandered it anyways. You better get your Tivo fixed because the ref right away reached for his flag but missed it on the first attempt. I don't believe that Pittsburgh was handed anything, but you could make an argument that Seattle handed the game to the Steelers and not the refs.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

You're just a silly, blind homer if you don't agree that the officials robbed Seattle on several plays that could've kept them in the game.  So stop arguing, just take your cheap ring and be happy.

Settle down there, Francis. Name calling is such a compelling argument.If you bother to wade through some of the postings, you will see that fans of many other teams have agreed with Steeler fans on many of the debated calls. Fans from the Broncos, Colts, Packers and Bears, among others, have weighed in on the "Steeler side" -- even Browns, Raiders and Patriots fans, surprisingly, have weighed in pro-Steeler!

In the many posts, four calls have been most consistently mentioned as questionable or worse:

1. D Jax PI

2. Ben TD

3. Locklear hold

4. Hasselbeck tackle

Thanks to this picture, Bens TD we can see #2 is unquestionably correct.

#4 is likely the proper application of an odd or even outright bad rule, as listed a few posts above. Even if it's not, it is counterbalanced by the missed block in the back on Roethlisberger during the Herndon interception return.

#1 involves a WR using his arms to push and/or hold off a defender to gain an advantage, and it occurs directly in front of and five yards away from an official. But you, of course, think the referee should just ignore what he sees.

So we're left with #3, in which an offensive lineman has his arm hooked on a defender. And again, you will tell all of us that you have never, ever seen that called holding in an NFL game.

You know what, I'll give you #3. So the Steelers won primarily because of a questionable holding call? Nothing to do with Seattle missing 2 FGs, dropping several balls, wasting time at the end of both halves. Nothing to do with the Steelers making 3 big plays on offense to offset their inability to sustain drives.

Whatever.

So you didn't see the Pittsburgh player CLEARLY grab DJax 3 times before DJax touched the guy? I guess you also missed the part where the official doesn't even think about reaching for his flag until the Pitt guy jumps up and down whining about the pushoff. I mean you say that it was 5 feet in front of the ref so he had to call it. I've watched it 10 times on Tivo and the ref doesn't even reach for the flag until the Pitt DB starts jumping up and down in the ref's face then all of a sudden the flag comes in for OPI. This game was flat out HANDED to Pittsburgh so that they could get their perfect ending of Bettis winning his final game in his hometown. I don't even like either one of these teams, but it was obvious that the officiating was completely biased to Pitt.BTW, add the delay of game to your list of blown calls. Remember what Pitt got the first down by after they allowed the timeout? Yep, 1 freaking yard. They would have been 4 yards short of a first if the refs didn't blow that call as well. That would've given Seattle the ball back with 5+ minutes left on the clock.

I don't believe that Pittsburgh was handed anything, but you could make an argument that Seattle handed the game to the Steelers and not the refs.

 

[Irish]

Shick! will be so proud of you.

I love it that BGP sigs are popping up all over the boards.

 

[Gargoylez]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/sto...gene&id=2322300

Good read. Of course, the worst fans in the nfl will not like it... I mean Seattle fans.

 

[Kleck]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/sto...gene&id=2322300

Good read. Of course, the worst fans in the nfl will not like it... I mean Seattle fans.

What's the problem? Mom not hug you enough as a child? Why do you tools keep taking shots at Seattle fans? BTFU and correct yourself. You should give the Seattle faithful around here some credit for being above that.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/sto...gene&id=2322300

Good read. Of course, the worst fans in the nfl will not like it... I mean Seattle fans.

I don't view Seahawk fans as whiny tools. That distinction has been taken over by Steeler fans and it isn't even close.

 

[3C's]

I don't view Seahawk fans as whiny tools. That distinction has been taken over by people from Hooterville and it isn't even close.

fixed

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I don't view Seahawk fans as whiny tools. That distinction has been taken over by Steeler fans and it isn't even close.

fixed

Wrong, slappy. I haven't been whining but I have enjoyed watching Steeler fans whine like trampy whores about not getting any respect.

 

[Steelers4Life]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/sto...gene&id=2322300

Good read. Of course, the worst fans in the nfl will not like it... I mean Seattle fans.

I don't view Seahawk fans as whiny tools. That distinction has been taken over by Steeler fans and it isn't even close.

Steelers fans aren't whining at all. We've admitted over and over again that the game was influenced by debatable calls, and we've responded to assinine comments that the only reason the Steelers won was because of those calls. If people want to think that way, who cares? It's just football talk.

When Bettis had a TD run called back in the AFCC because Ward was 1/2 yard too close to the line of scrimmage, Ben didn't respond by throwing an INT. He threw a perfect TD pass to Ward on the next play. Seattle had plenty of opportunites to overcome what some perceive to be bad calls, and they failed many times. Most Seattle fans acknowledge that, but others don't, not a big deal.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/sto...gene&id=2322300

Good read. Of course, the worst fans in the nfl will not like it... I mean Seattle fans.

I don't view Seahawk fans as whiny tools. That distinction has been taken over by Steeler fans and it isn't even close.

Steelers fans aren't whining at all.

 

[Irish]

I don't view Seahawk fans as whiny tools. That distinction has been taken over by Steeler fans and it isn't even close.

fixed

Wrong, slappy. I haven't been whining but I have enjoyed watching Steeler fans whine like trampy whores about not getting any respect.

 

[Steelers4Life]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/sto...gene&id=2322300

Good read. Of course, the worst fans in the nfl will not like it... I mean Seattle fans.

I don't view Seahawk fans as whiny tools. That distinction has been taken over by Steeler fans and it isn't even close.

Steelers fans aren't whining at all.

Try reading the rest of what I wrote there, buddy.And shouldn't you be busy making an argument why Brett Favre' 64 interceptions weren't his fault and how they weren't why the Packers sucked this year?

 

[Farva]

Hey everyone, being a long time reader I couldn't take it any more and had to post this.

Here is proof that the ball did indeed cross the goal line. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Proof

 

[PsychoMan]

nice, photoshop

 

[Farva]

nice, photoshop

Oh great, give them some more excuses to throw around.

 

[Nemesis]

Hey everyone, being a long time reader I couldn't take it any more and had to post this.

Here is proof that the ball did indeed cross the goal line. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Proof

FootballguyGroup: Members

Joined: Today, 09:02 PM

Member No.: 20522

Nothing more needs to be said..........seems pretty straight forward to me.

 

[Farva]

Hey everyone, being a long time reader I couldn't take it any more and had to post this.

Here is proof that the ball did indeed cross the goal line. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Proof

FootballguyGroup: Members

Joined: Today, 09:02 PM

Member No.: 20522

Nothing more needs to be said..........seems pretty straight forward to me.

Right, because I should bow down to your vast knowledge of the game of football because you joined an internet message board before I did.

 

[PsychoMan]

nice, photoshop

Oh great, give them some more excuses to throw around.

haha, i was joking anyway ... (well, it COULD have been photoshop) ...but anyway, i think what bugs people about that play is in order for the ref to call that play a touchdown, he had to see that sliver of a ball cross the goal line with his own naked eyes. as close as that was, i would think that any human should be 97% sure it was NOT a touchdown. the fact that he still called it one, makes people think the refs were favoring pitt ... i was an unbiased viewer of this year's big game, but i don't blame seattle fans for thinking this way

 

[Challenge Everything]

HIS KNEE WAS DOWN!!!!

 

[LHUCKS]

this thread needs to be deleted.

 

[Sea Bass]

Welcome aboard Farva!

I hope you enjoy your stay.

 

[Farva]

this thread needs to be deleted.

Sure does. :whinytool:

 

[AB in DC]

as close as that was, i would think that any human should be 97% sure it was NOT a touchdown.

Where do people come up with this stuff?

 

[PsychoMan]

as close as that was, i would think that any human should be 97% sure it was NOT a touchdown.

Where do people come up with this stuff?

people have snapshots all over the net of that play ... and still, they're having a hard time proving he actually scored ... what i'm saying is, i would assume for the ref to call that a touchdown he would need to be at least 51% sure, right? well i don't think anyone can even be 51% sure with photos - how the hell was he sure ben scored without them?"he wasn't sure - he was favoring pitt and gave them the benefit of the doubt" -that is what people are arguing. i'm saying, as an unbiased viewer i do not blame them for thinking this way.

 

[Thunderchicken]

HIS KNEE WAS DOWN!!!!

Ben is airborn in that picture. I don't think his knee is down, but since some of the Seahawks fans thank that DJax got two feet in bounds by touching a pylon this would be par for the course.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I thought he scored watching it on TV. Don't see what the big cry fest is about.

 

[3C's]

I don't view Seahawk fans as whiny tools. That distinction has been taken over by Steeler fans and it isn't even close.

fixed

Wrong, slappy. I haven't been whining but I have enjoyed watching Steeler fans whine like trampy whores about not getting any respect.

Ok, skippy. Show me one post where a Steeler fan "whined" about not getting any respect.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I don't view Seahawk fans as whiny tools. That distinction has been taken over by Steeler fans and it isn't even close.

fixed

Wrong, slappy. I haven't been whining but I have enjoyed watching Steeler fans whine like trampy whores about not getting any respect.

Ok, skippy. Show me one post where a Steeler fan "whined" about not getting any respect.

 

[raidergil]

The biggest problem with this particular call is the indecisiveness of the ref. If he's basing his TD call on Roethlisberger breaking the plane on his dive then why was he (the ref) originally running in from the sideline to mark 4th down? Its not until Ben is down & pulling the ball forward does the ref rule TD. At this pt its near impossible to overturn based on the replays - same as it would have been impossible to rule it a TD if he'd have been ruiled to have been stopped.

On this call and the DJax call the refs seemed to react more to the players reactions than what they saw.

 

[3C's]

I don't view Seahawk fans as whiny tools. That distinction has been taken over by Steeler fans and it isn't even close.

fixed

Wrong, slappy. I haven't been whining but I have enjoyed watching Steeler fans whine like trampy whores about not getting any respect.

Ok, skippy. Show me one post where a Steeler fan "whined" about not getting any respect.

If it's past your bedtime, maybe you should get some sleep. I'll wait.

 

[boubucarow]

I am really tired about everybody complaining about the refs. The only two major wrongs called by the refs were the Hasselbeck tackle and the Stevens fumble. Each cost the both teams about 15 yards or maybe even more for the Steelers.

Big Ben scored the touchdown. I don't care if the ref was undecided. I just care that he got the play right. The football touched the plane of white line before the Seahawk defender hit him. It was a touchdown.

Please use the Tivo to see that when D-Jax placed his arm on the defender, the defender was pushed back and then D-Jax was wide open for the TD pass. Look at it, the defender fell on to the back of his feet when D-Jax pushed him. He deserved to receive the offensive pass interference penatly.

Lastly, the holding penalty that prevented the Stevens catch at the one was a correct call. Locklear put his and from behind on Haggans shoulder a pulled him enough to stop him from getting to Hasselbeck. He deserved the penalty.

The refs didn't cost the Seahawks the game. The Seahawks cost themselves the game by committing penalties on big plays. Again, the Seahawks are the reason they lost the game. Not the refs. Let's go on to 2006 off-season and stop caring.

 

[Farva]

I am really tired about everybody complaining about the refs. The only two major wrongs called by the refs were the Hasselbeck tackle and the Stevens fumble. Each cost the both teams about 15 yards or maybe even more for the Steelers.

Big Ben scored the touchdown. I don't care if the ref was undecided. I just care that he got the play right. The football touched the plane of white line before the Seahawk defender hit him. It was a touchdown.

Please use the Tivo to see that when D-Jax placed his arm on the defender, the defender was pushed back and then D-Jax was wide open for the TD pass. Look at it, the defender fell on to the back of his feet when D-Jax pushed him. He deserved to receive the offensive pass interference penatly.

Lastly, the holding penalty that prevented the Stevens catch at the one was a correct call. Locklear put his and from behind on Haggans shoulder a pulled him enough to stop him from getting to Hasselbeck. He deserved the penalty.

The refs didn't cost the Seahawks the game. The Seahawks cost themselves the game by committing penalties on big plays. Again, the Seahawks are the reason they lost the game. Not the refs. Let's go on to 2006 off-season and stop caring.

I just find it absurd that with all the controversy surrounding this play, actual evidence is presented and all I get are "lock this thread" and "look he just joined today har har." Oh well I guess you're right, I'll enjoy the championship that I've waited all of my adult life for and let all of the tools complain about the refs for the next six months.