The Football Freak
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come on now...X infinity.
The refs didn't cost anyone anything. The officiating was just fine tonite.
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tommyboy
Footballguy
they can whine all they want, doesn't change the outcome. Doesn't bother me at all. They have a right to complain, it was some bad calls out there. I just don't think when you lose by 11, you can turn around and say the refs caused you to lose. If it was a 1 or 2 pt game, maybe you have a case, but 11, you got beat.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
There's been a lot of whining about the officiating, and it isn't coming from Seahawk fans. I guess telling the truth is classless too now.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
They can whine about it all they want but don't let that cloud the fact that the Seahawks didn't make enough plays to bring home the hardware. There is no one to blame but themselves and they know it.
packersfan
Footballguy
As you should. If this was the Packers I would be feeling the same way. However, that doesn't change the fact that when people talk about Super Bowl XL going forward the conversation is almost certainly going to be dominated by the questionable (and that's being kind) officiating in the game.I see nothing but sunny skies....
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
easy there grin, let's not forget who was the first to 5 SB Championships.Don't forget while partying to pour some out for lost hommies like Clyde, who continues to walk the earth. I believe Clyde would have gotten along well with Cowher and Bettis. All no nonsense guys. ( I suspect El DeBarge is a Bears fan.)I clearly stated in my initial post that I felt the Seahawks got the short end of the stick from the officials, but that they still had ample chances to win the game. I congratulated them all profusely on a great season. How exactly is this classless?Am I supposed to come on here and talk about how Seattle is clearly a superior team? How the refs jobbed them? Am I supposed to say that the team I love, that just went through the toughest possible road to the title, is undeserving? Is that what it takes to have "class"?
If so, forget it. I don't believe a word of it. The Steelers played the best football of any team over the last month, and as such, deserve this title. Nothing you say can take that away. I am on Cloud 9, and this whole week's going to be one long party...
El Debarge would have probably been a fan of some nancy boy team like San Francisco.
Just kidding. There's really no team in the NFL which can be considered "nancy boy" - I just thought of the team that in my mind was the most "fancy" (not used as a negative) in terms of unis, style of play, etc. I actually kind of like the Niners.
The Football Freak
Footballguy
I think the whole stadium booing Brady show's how little Steeler fans would hold a grudge...
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Maybe so, I guess I just really don't care. Sure, I'm arguing it in this thread, simply because I love to argue about football, but I am so damn happy, people can say whatever they want - it's not going to change anything for me.As you should. If this was the Packers I would be feeling the same way. However, that doesn't change the fact that when people talk about Super Bowl XL going forward the conversation is almost certainly going to be dominated by the questionable (and that's being kind) officiating in the game.I see nothing but sunny skies....
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
That was great. Brady was laughing about it, too. There's just not anything to dislike about that guy except that he kills Pittsburgh. As a Steeler fan, if I were there, I'd have booed him too. However, I respect the hell out of him as a player and a person, and I'll bet 95% of the people booing him in Detroit do too.
humans_being
Footballguy
One could see the fix was on early. The NFL got their feel good story, but lost a ton of credibility in the end. Kind of hard to stomach in such an important game.
Worst SB ever.
Worst SB ever.
bagger.
The One Play Quiz
DEFINITELY?This is where you lose credibility.When did I claim to be unbiased? There are some non-Steeler fans who saw the same things though, and some who saw differently.Laugh all you want, but the ball definitely crossed the goalline. Remember, it doesn't have to get INTO the end zone, all that needs to happen is for one centimeter of that ball to touch the white stripe. If you can look at that play and conclusively tell me that didn't happen at any point while he was airborne, God bless you. The line judge had a perfect look at it and made the call. They reviewed it for what seemed like 20 minutes and upheld it.why are people congratultaing evilgrin?
also, lol at a homer's unbiased take on the penalties.
"the nose of the ball crossed the goalline"
You could not see the ball in the replay, which means the ref could not see the ball when he made the TD call.
It was correct to uphold the original ruling since the replay did not show conclusive evidence to overturn it, but it was incorrect for the official to call the TD originally. He basically guessed and called a TD.
The refs affected the game. Would the Steelers still have won? Maybe.
But there is no denying the impact the refs had.
Look at the boxscore.
The Football Freak
Footballguy
Exactly.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
I clearly stated in my initial post that I felt the Seahawks got the short end of the stick from the officials, but that they still had ample chances to win the game. I congratulated them all profusely on a great season. How exactly is this classless?Am I supposed to come on here and talk about how Seattle is clearly a superior team? How the refs jobbed them? Am I supposed to say that the team I love, that just went through the toughest possible road to the title, is undeserving? Is that what it takes to have "class"?
If so, forget it. I don't believe a word of it. The Steelers played the best football of any team over the last month, and as such, deserve this title. Nothing you say can take that away. I am on Cloud 9, and this whole week's going to be one long party...
The Football Freak
Footballguy
I liked the smile too, it shows one of the resons he is great. HOWEVER, I don't think that this was respect exactly, as evinced by the boos. I was trying to point out that all this bandying about by Steeler fans about everyone else griping about calls and how they should let it go is ironic. This situation is much worse than the tuck call, much more egregious that just a bad rule that HAD to be called.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I'm the one that made that post and I would like you to find a post by me saying that the Steelers were the better team than the Pats that year. I never said that and I agree that the Pats were the better team. They made the plays when they needed to just like the Steelers last night.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
DEFINITELY?This is where you lose credibility.When did I claim to be unbiased? There are some non-Steeler fans who saw the same things though, and some who saw differently.Laugh all you want, but the ball definitely crossed the goalline. Remember, it doesn't have to get INTO the end zone, all that needs to happen is for one centimeter of that ball to touch the white stripe. If you can look at that play and conclusively tell me that didn't happen at any point while he was airborne, God bless you. The line judge had a perfect look at it and made the call. They reviewed it for what seemed like 20 minutes and upheld it.why are people congratultaing evilgrin?
also, lol at a homer's unbiased take on the penalties.
"the nose of the ball crossed the goalline"
You could not see the ball in the replay, which means the ref could not see the ball when he made the TD call.
It was correct to uphold the original ruling since the replay did not show conclusive evidence to overturn it, but it was incorrect for the official to call the TD originally. He basically guessed and called a TD.
The refs affected the game. Would the Steelers still have won? Maybe.
But there is no denying the impact the refs had.
Look at the boxscore.
You'd have to be a moron not to see that the refs did have an impact on the game yesterday.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
They didn't decide it, the did INFLUENCE it. All I see on this board is an ignorant
1) Holding call which took 7 points away from the Hawks or at least 3
2) Hass 15 yard blocking penalty??
3) Could list more....but whats the point.
All this
Who was holding on these 2 plays ? I want to make sure and watch more closely. The funny thing about the whole thing is, D Jax pushoff and the hold on Locklear WERE penalties, you're just mad they got called.....boo freakin' hoo Hawks fans. You didn't make enough plays to get it done, period, and Shaun got put on lock down. Ben played a bad game, and the Steelers STILL made more plays, that is why this is such a great TEAM, when one guy is not on his game, you have others stepping up at the right time to make plays, your big guns didn't do it, and Stevens hand are made of soft serve. I like how Seachicken fans are acting like it wasn't even close on the Ben TD, there is no way in hell you can tell me 100% the ball didn't touch the goal line, which makes the TD the right call.
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tommyboy
Footballguy
Pittsburgh had a significantly higher avg yd per play which is usually a good indicator of the winner of NFL games, over 90% of the time whoever wins that stat, wins the game. Pittsburgh also had a turnover not called, on the Stevens fumble ruled incomplete pass, and Ike Taylor dropped a sure INT when Hasselbeck threw into triple coverage deep, in the 1st qtr. Seattle did win time of possession and total yardage, yet they also gave up 3 huge plays, the Rothlisberger scramble for the throw to Ward at the 2, the Willie Parker 75 yd run and the Randle El option 43yd TD pass to Ward. In contrats, Seattle didn't have any big plays, they had several moderate or small ones. In a low scoring game, which this clearly was, the team that has a 3-0 Big Play advantage AND wins the yard's per play stat is going to win 95% of the time.
Evilgrin 72
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I lose credibility because I saw something different from you? In my eyes, the ball definitely did cross the goal line. I watched the play about 20 times, and it absolutely looks to me like the nose of the ball crosses the plane while Roethlisberger is in the air going forward. I even watched it frame-by-frame on DVD and saw the same thing. I think that going forward, that play is going to hold up as the correct call.We'll see if the NFL comes out and denounces any of these calls, as they did the one in the Pitt/Indy game. If so, I will admit they were awful calls. In fact, if you read my initial post, I have not once indicated that the Steelers did not get the benefit of a couple of calls. They also had one go against them (Stevens fumble) that seems to be conveniently ignored by the conspiracy theorists.DEFINITELY?This is where you lose credibility.When did I claim to be unbiased? There are some non-Steeler fans who saw the same things though, and some who saw differently.Laugh all you want, but the ball definitely crossed the goalline. Remember, it doesn't have to get INTO the end zone, all that needs to happen is for one centimeter of that ball to touch the white stripe. If you can look at that play and conclusively tell me that didn't happen at any point while he was airborne, God bless you. The line judge had a perfect look at it and made the call. They reviewed it for what seemed like 20 minutes and upheld it.why are people congratultaing evilgrin?
also, lol at a homer's unbiased take on the penalties.
"the nose of the ball crossed the goalline"
You could not see the ball in the replay, which means the ref could not see the ball when he made the TD call.
It was correct to uphold the original ruling since the replay did not show conclusive evidence to overturn it, but it was incorrect for the official to call the TD originally. He basically guessed and called a TD.
The refs affected the game. Would the Steelers still have won? Maybe.
But there is no denying the impact the refs had.
Look at the boxscore.
Did the refs have an impact? Yes. Did they cost Seattle the game? No. It's a convenient excuse, but they simply did not execute when they needed to. They made too many mistakes to win the Super Bowl, plain and simple.
Evilgrin 72
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Yes you would. You'd also have to be a moron not to recognize that not every call went Pittsburgh's way, and that the Seahawks had ample opportunities to overcome any questionable calls (as the Steelers had to in Indianapolis) and win the game regardless. They just didn't make the big plays Pittsburgh did. End of story.DEFINITELY?This is where you lose credibility.When did I claim to be unbiased? There are some non-Steeler fans who saw the same things though, and some who saw differently.Laugh all you want, but the ball definitely crossed the goalline. Remember, it doesn't have to get INTO the end zone, all that needs to happen is for one centimeter of that ball to touch the white stripe. If you can look at that play and conclusively tell me that didn't happen at any point while he was airborne, God bless you. The line judge had a perfect look at it and made the call. They reviewed it for what seemed like 20 minutes and upheld it.why are people congratultaing evilgrin?
also, lol at a homer's unbiased take on the penalties.
"the nose of the ball crossed the goalline"
You could not see the ball in the replay, which means the ref could not see the ball when he made the TD call.
It was correct to uphold the original ruling since the replay did not show conclusive evidence to overturn it, but it was incorrect for the official to call the TD originally. He basically guessed and called a TD.
The refs affected the game. Would the Steelers still have won? Maybe.
But there is no denying the impact the refs had.
Look at the boxscore.
Nihilist Pig
Footballguy
You know who is really validated by all this stuff? The people who have been saying for years about Cowher (when many called him a choker) that he does all you can ask for in a coach...that he gets his team in position time and time again. And if you get your team in position often enough, sooner or later, through some combination of outplaying the opponents and catching the breaks, you're bound to win a title.
This is pretty much exactly how it played out. Kudos to him.
This is pretty much exactly how it played out. Kudos to him.
Evilgrin 72
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Lost in all this complaining is the fact that Cowher outcoached Holmgren yesterday and likely cemented his eventual induction into the Hall of Fame.
Reaper
Footballguy
I'll look at is again tonight but, I was speaking in general terms - people want to say Seattle didn't make "Big Plays" well I'd say the Jax "Td" was BIG as well as the Steven "Catch" - But, they were flagged for tick tacky calls....Calls that COULD have been called on the 2 big Steeler plays and others since we all know you could call that kind of holding on almost every play... IF they were - we'd all sit here today and say "Oh well, both teams got some questionable calls"... NO MATTER WHO WON....
As we sit here today we can only say 1 team got tagged with tick tacky calls. And then we say, well "Sattle didn't make any big plays".. Well, yeah.
THAT STINKS....
And as an unbiased fan of the game I feel for the Seattle fans.
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As a Seahawk fan I don't have any excuses for the loss. There are certain factors that I wish were different, but I have no hard feelings. I haven't done a study of today's posts, but I can't remember very many complaints from HAWK fans. I am surprised that Steeler fans haven't used more posts on celebrating a great victory. Instead some are using space to rip; such as Joe Montana and Mike Holmgren for not respecting them enough. Even compliments have have been shallow; "You guys have a nice team - better luck next year", or let's have a positive thread where we can discuss what the Seahawks did wrong.
You wanted to get congratulations and escape negativity. You have your congrats from the Seahawk community yet you continue to spar with anyone who has an opinion.
Celebrate the Championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't have time for this message board if the Hawks would have won. Enjoy your evil grin as long as you wish.
I'm jealous.
You wanted to get congratulations and escape negativity. You have your congrats from the Seahawk community yet you continue to spar with anyone who has an opinion.
Celebrate the Championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't have time for this message board if the Hawks would have won. Enjoy your evil grin as long as you wish.
I'm jealous.
Just a note and this may be nothing more than semantics....
But I don't see what I (and many others) are saying as complaining about the refs. We're commenting on what we saw.
I'm not upset by it. (Although if I had a strong interest in Seattle winning, I'd be pissed beyond words) So I don't see it as complaining at all. Just talking about the game.
My Dad is a fairly casual fan. He likes Roethlisberger and that was his only real interest in the game. His first comments to me when I saw him this morning was "Have you ever seen a game officiated that badly toward one team?"
J
But I don't see what I (and many others) are saying as complaining about the refs. We're commenting on what we saw.
I'm not upset by it. (Although if I had a strong interest in Seattle winning, I'd be pissed beyond words) So I don't see it as complaining at all. Just talking about the game.
My Dad is a fairly casual fan. He likes Roethlisberger and that was his only real interest in the game. His first comments to me when I saw him this morning was "Have you ever seen a game officiated that badly toward one team?"
J
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tommyboy
Footballguy
Pittsburgh 3rd down conversion 8-15 53%
Seattle 3rd down conversion 5-17 30%
Pittsburgh avg gain 6.1 yd
Seattle avg gain 5.1 yd
Pittsburgh total rushing 181 yds
Seattle total rushing 136 yds
Pittsburgh sacks 3 for -14 yds
Seattle sacks 1 for -8 yds
Seattle time of possesion after 1st 21 minutes of game = 15 to 6
Pittsburgh time of possesion last 39 minutes of game = 21 to 18
Seattle 3rd down conversion 5-17 30%
Pittsburgh avg gain 6.1 yd
Seattle avg gain 5.1 yd
Pittsburgh total rushing 181 yds
Seattle total rushing 136 yds
Pittsburgh sacks 3 for -14 yds
Seattle sacks 1 for -8 yds
Seattle time of possesion after 1st 21 minutes of game = 15 to 6
Pittsburgh time of possesion last 39 minutes of game = 21 to 18
ren hoek
Footballguy
This whole argument would be defused if some Steelers fan stepped up to the plate and said "yeah, we got away with a few there". The overwhelming consensus by people that aren't Steelers/Seahawks fans is that the referees played a huge part in the outcome of this game.
You can't be too dense to see that.Congrats anyways, in all honesty, and I hope that one day I'll get to see the Bengals take home a Lombardi trophy too. No seriously, congratulations.
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Reaper
Footballguy
BUT.. They did.They happened to be flagged on their big plays and the Stealers were not.Yes you would. You'd also have to be a moron not to recognize that not every call went Pittsburgh's way, and that the Seahawks had ample opportunities to overcome any questionable calls (as the Steelers had to in Indianapolis) and win the game regardless. They just didn't make the big plays Pittsburgh did. End of story.DEFINITELY?This is where you lose credibility.When did I claim to be unbiased? There are some non-Steeler fans who saw the same things though, and some who saw differently.Laugh all you want, but the ball definitely crossed the goalline. Remember, it doesn't have to get INTO the end zone, all that needs to happen is for one centimeter of that ball to touch the white stripe. If you can look at that play and conclusively tell me that didn't happen at any point while he was airborne, God bless you. The line judge had a perfect look at it and made the call. They reviewed it for what seemed like 20 minutes and upheld it.why are people congratultaing evilgrin?
also, lol at a homer's unbiased take on the penalties.
"the nose of the ball crossed the goalline"
You could not see the ball in the replay, which means the ref could not see the ball when he made the TD call.
It was correct to uphold the original ruling since the replay did not show conclusive evidence to overturn it, but it was incorrect for the official to call the TD originally. He basically guessed and called a TD.
The refs affected the game. Would the Steelers still have won? Maybe.
But there is no denying the impact the refs had.
Look at the boxscore.
No, it shows the impact of special teams and clock management. They had two missed FGs, and the last drive of the game was completely botched. None of that shows up in the stats you quoted.If they had good special teams, they get three more FGs and we're talking about a two-point difference instead of an 11-point difference.
Of course, nobody has even mentioned yet the absolute determining factor of the game: the injury to Marquand Manuel. He was replaced by some scrub with the number 35. As I recall, on both the Parker run and the Randel El pass, this guy ran in the wrong direction both times and left a guy in the wide open field.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I don't think my compliments of the Seahawks were shallow at all. They were certainly intended to be sincere. The Seahawk fans aren't even the ones complaining.
Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
Jackson clearly pushed off. There is absolutely 0% doubt from the replays that he reached out for the chest of the defender. If he was not trying to create space, why would he even reach in that direction as it would have been a wasted motion if no contact were made. It happened right in front of the official. You might say he barely touched him, but when the balls are coming quickly like in the NFL and you are both trying to change direction, it doesn't take very much of a push to create the minimal amount of space necessary to complete the pass. Anybody complaining about this call is clueless.
As for the holding penalty, I had no ties to either team but remember watching that play and thinking that there would be a flag for holding before it was even called. The PIT player had a great jump on him and looked like he'd have a great chance at a sack and during the play with the camera going full speed it looked like he was held coming around the corner giving Hasselback time to throw. The replays that they showed afterwards didn't show the hold, but they didn't exactly preclude that he was grabbing him either. The ref didn't get the benefit of seeing the replays and I doubt he saw the result of the play before tossing out the flag either. All he saw was a guy who was beaten very badly off the ball somehow slow down the progress of a pass rusher without being in front of him. It looked like a hold at first glance and that is what he saw and called. If the play hadn't resulted in a first and goal noone would be questioning that call at all. They somehow only want the refs to call holding on non-critical plays. If they wanted the play to stand, that blocker picked a poor time to get beaten badly off the snap. It was not a questionable call, it was a typical call. Yes lots of holding goes uncalled on every play, but any time something looks like a hold to a referee it is going to get called, especially in the backfield where it is more visible.
As for the holding penalty, I had no ties to either team but remember watching that play and thinking that there would be a flag for holding before it was even called. The PIT player had a great jump on him and looked like he'd have a great chance at a sack and during the play with the camera going full speed it looked like he was held coming around the corner giving Hasselback time to throw. The replays that they showed afterwards didn't show the hold, but they didn't exactly preclude that he was grabbing him either. The ref didn't get the benefit of seeing the replays and I doubt he saw the result of the play before tossing out the flag either. All he saw was a guy who was beaten very badly off the ball somehow slow down the progress of a pass rusher without being in front of him. It looked like a hold at first glance and that is what he saw and called. If the play hadn't resulted in a first and goal noone would be questioning that call at all. They somehow only want the refs to call holding on non-critical plays. If they wanted the play to stand, that blocker picked a poor time to get beaten badly off the snap. It was not a questionable call, it was a typical call. Yes lots of holding goes uncalled on every play, but any time something looks like a hold to a referee it is going to get called, especially in the backfield where it is more visible.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Some are commenting, others are complaining.When I see "Stealers" intentionally misspelled, or people carrying sigs that say (paraphrased) : "Enjoy your tainted championship - there will forever be an asterisk next to it, blah blah blah", that's whining. When people post photos of "the new Steelers uniforms" and post pictures of referees, that's not simple observation.Just a note and this may be nothing more than semantics....
But I don't see what I (and many others) are saying as complaining about the refs. We're commenting on what we saw.
I'm not upset by it. (Although if I had a strong interest in Seattle winning, I'd be pissed beyond words) So I don't see it as complaining at all. Just talking about the game.
My Dad is a fairly casual fan. He likes Roethlisberger and that was his only real interest in the game. His first comments to me when I saw him this morning was "Have you ever seen a game officiated that badly toward one team?"
J
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