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Did the refs cost Seattle the game?

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BTW...why are Steeler fans even here? :confused:

It's a vent thread..."complain about the refs"...why do you feel the need to jump on / defend / attack / explain every comment by everybody who thinks the refs blew the game? Why the pathalogical need to defend the refs? Nobody's attacking the Steelers. Nobody's claiming they cheated. Most people are saying the Refs blew several calls AND MOST STEELER FANS AGREE. So why are you here arguing about it?

The Seahawks are the ones that got hosed and they seem to be having less trouble moving on then the Steeler fans. (NOT saying they lost the game because of the refs, just saying what most Steeler fans are saying, that some bad calls went in favor of the Steelers)
Because I am a REF
 
DJax pushed off and it is called about half the time, but it is usually called when right in front of the official in plain view. I thought Haggans did jump offsides the one play, but Locklear was also holding him on most pass plays and for the most part it was not called. Seattle fans probably do have a legitimate complaint about the TO/Delay of game call. Porter's tackle on SA was not a horse collar tackle according to NFL rules. Ben's TD I still have not seen evidence that he did not score, so how can the refs overturn that call. One Stevens drop was ruled an incompletion when he really fumbled the ball. Hasselbeck's penalty on his tackle is the correct call for a very bad rule IMO. These are the type of penalties or non-calls that go on in every football game, but it is just magnified because this was the Superbowl and because of the terrible officiating in some playoffs games leading up to the Superbowl. To any football fan to cry that the officials cost the Seahawks the game, you must have missed all the dropped passes, critical Int by Hasselbeck, poor run def on Parker's TD, no discipline by Seattle defenders on Randle El to Ward TD, Seattle's defense letting Steelers convert on a 3 and 28, Seattle's defense couldn't stop Pitt offense on 3rd downs as the Steelers converted about half the time, 2 missed FGs, and the very very bad clock mgmt by Hasselbeck and Holmgren at the end of both halves. The only thing about the Superbowl that disappointed me was that both teams played very sloppy. I would have hated to be a non-Seahawks/Steelers fan and have to watch this mediocre played game. I'm gonna end on this note............. :towelwave:
It was only mediocre because of the referee's interfered with the flow of the game. My main point was that we could have had a GREAT super bowl with a lot of drama and excitement had the referee's called a fair game. Put away your hard on for the Steelers for a moment and let's be real about what team dictated tempo and moved the ball almost at will. :goodposting:

 
I freely admit the officiating wasn't great. In the end, its still Pittsburgh Steelers 2006 World Champions of the World though.

I'd like to extend a congrats to Seattle for this season and I hope to God both of these teams make it back to the Super Bowl next year. A rematch would be the highest rated super bowl of all time.

 
Imagine! A thread complaining about the officiating! What a novelty! For the umpteenth time:

1. The official DID NOT wait for Hope to complain. Watch the replay again--the official tried to throw his flag even before the pass was caught, but whiffed and had to reach back to his pocket a second time to get it. He didn't get seperation because of the contact? The safety gets pushed toward the sideline, DJax turns the other way, takes a step or two and immediately catches the ball and the push off wasn't a factor? Give me a break. Is it the kind of violation that officials often miss? Yeah, it is. Does that make it less of a violation? Only if you're desperate to think so.

2. You don't think it was a TD, the ref did. It's called a "judgment call" for a reason. As you indicated, though, it's not a big deal because the chances are high that they get the TD on 4th and inches anyhow.

3. "Questionable" does not equal "wrong". Madden couldn't see the hold because Haggans was between the camera and Locklear so you couldn't see what Locklear was doing. Of course, you could see that Haggans mysteriously had his momentum changed after he got past Locklear, but maybe he just hit the force field around Hasselback?

4. It sure looked to me like Porter grabbed jersey, not pads. I also didn't see Alexander (or anyone else at the time) jump up and complain. Maybe he thought the tackle was legal? Maybe "nobody's talking about it" because it's a non-issue? It's pretty easy to go back and pick apart a game for "maybes" and "questionables".

5. I agree the call on Hasselback is dumb. However, the same call was made on Randle El a few weeks ago when he dove through blockers to make a tackle on an INT return. Of course, again, it's not an important call...the INT would stand anyhow, so all that's left is speculation that the Steelers "may not" have used the gadget play to score if they were 15 yards further away. Pretty slim speculation IMO.

6. The "low block" rule Hasselback was called for only applies on change of possession plays. Obviously it is not a factor in the Pittsburgh TD play: Ben's block was perfectly legal. By comparison, Ben got hit by a blocker after his INT--does that constitute roughing the passer? No, because once the INT is made, you have different rules. Don't complain aobut rules you don't understand.

7. You thought you saw an offsides that didn't get called? That only happens about 5 times a game. Get over it.

8. Again, if you've watched any football, you see this at least once a week. if the QB calls for the TO before the ref whilstles the delay of game, the call is never made. Are refs human? Last time I checked. Do they have reaction times that sometimes get beat by the QB? Yeah. Do you want the game stopped after every single play so they can go check the replay and see if "maybe" something should have been called? Get real.

9. I counted at least 5 "questionable" holds on Seattle that didn't get called. At the end of the first half, there was a Seattle player tackled in bounds, but the clock was stopped until the next snap, giving them a few extra seconds to mismanage. Anyone can go through a game and find things to question. If your team overcomes them, they are inconsequential. If your team loses, they become instant :cry:

BTW, note to Shick!: Anymore posts about how it's not Seattle fans crying?
Hey homer. I gave Pittsburgh a lot of credit. To be honest, more than they deserved. I never replayed this game. I made these mental notes just watching the game as a fan. If you want to question my knowledge of the game that's your right. Based on your comments above it's clear that you don't know the game and you can't see through your :nerd: black and gold glasses. In my effort to show fairness and respect to the Steelers and their fans, I get this? I hope that there are other Steeler fans :bag: out there with a bit more class than you!
 
The NFL has a history of issuing apology letters after a game when they determine that mistakes had been made. The Steelers got one after the Colts playoff game this year and a few years ago they got letters for THREE different game where calls were blown by the officials.

The NFL has just reviewed the officiating of the Super Bowl and said that no mistakes were made. Here is a link for you:

Super Bowl properly officiated

You say that stats don't lie. Well how about these stats:

3rd down conversions: Pittsburgh 8/15 (53%), Seattle 5/17 (29%)

Avg gain/play: Pittsburgh 6.1, Seattle 5.1

Net Yards Rushing: Pittsburgh 181, Seattle 137

Yards per pass: Pittsburgh 6.9, Seattle 5.0

Sacks: Pittsburgh 3, Seattle 1

Touchdowns: Pittsburgh 3, Seattle 1

Missed Field Goals: Pittsburgh 0, Seattle 2

Score: Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10

It is time to stop blaming the refs.
Pittsburghs offensive stats are obviously what they are because of two BIG plays. Watch the game again son and tell me what team moved the ball and what defense played better. I never said that Pittsburgh didn't deserve to win. I do like your stat about Pittsburgh not missing a field goal! Looks like desperation to me! :hey:
 
The NFL has a history of issuing apology letters after a game when they determine that mistakes had been made.  The Steelers got one after the Colts playoff game this year and a few years ago they got letters for THREE different game where calls were blown by the officials.

The NFL has just reviewed the officiating of the Super Bowl and said that no mistakes were made.  Here is a link for you:

Super Bowl properly officiated

You say that stats don't lie.  Well how about these stats:

3rd down conversions:  Pittsburgh 8/15 (53%),  Seattle 5/17 (29%)

Avg gain/play: Pittsburgh 6.1, Seattle 5.1

Net Yards Rushing: Pittsburgh 181, Seattle 137

Yards per pass: Pittsburgh 6.9, Seattle 5.0

Sacks: Pittsburgh 3, Seattle 1

Touchdowns: Pittsburgh 3, Seattle 1

Missed Field Goals: Pittsburgh 0, Seattle 2

Score: Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10

It is time to stop blaming the refs.
Yes, the Steelers got an apology letter after the Colts game. But do you think they'd have gotten one had the calls cost them the game? Issuing apology letters after a reg season loss is one thing, but after a playoff loss - I doubt it. And does anyone think the image concious NFL would issue an apology letter after the SB? They may make policy changes in the offseason, but there is no way they are admitting officiating mistakes days after the SB.
:goodposting: Pittsburgh fans take off the :nerd:
 
No-one cares about the Broncos cut-blocking.

No-one cares about Siragusa cheap shotting Gannon out of the 2000 AFC title game for the win.

No-one cares about the tuck rule.

No-one cares about how many cheap shots the Patriots took at the Rams in the super bowl.

And no-one is gonna care if Cowher pressed an unfair advantage in ref calls.

All anyone cares about is who won.

What are you gonna do? Stop watching? No. The NFL will issue some small apology or maybe tweak a rule and that will satisfy you. You'll be there kickoff weekend next september for more.
Thanks for sharing what I am going to do :yawn:
 
BTW, note to Shick!: Anymore posts about how it's not Seattle fans crying?
Did you read the entire post? He congratulated Pittsburgh fans and he was very nice about it. He had more class in his post than most Steeler fans have shown on this board.
:goodposting: Finally a voice of reason!
 
Imagine!  A thread complaining about the officiating!  What a novelty!  For the umpteenth time:

1.  The official DID NOT wait for Hope to complain.  Watch the replay again--the official tried to throw his flag even before the pass was caught, but whiffed and had to reach back to his pocket a second time to get it.  He didn't get seperation because of the contact?  The safety gets pushed toward the sideline, DJax turns the other way, takes a step or two and immediately catches the ball and the push off wasn't a factor?  Give me a break.  Is it the kind of violation that officials often miss?  Yeah, it is.  Does that make it less of a violation?  Only if you're desperate to think so.

2.  You don't think it was a TD, the ref did.  It's called a "judgment call" for a reason.  As you indicated, though, it's not a big deal because the chances are high that they get the TD on 4th and inches anyhow.

3.  "Questionable" does not equal "wrong".  Madden couldn't see the hold because Haggans was between the camera and Locklear so you couldn't see what Locklear was doing.  Of course, you could see that Haggans mysteriously had his momentum changed after he got past Locklear, but maybe he just hit the force field around Hasselback?

4.  It sure looked to me like Porter grabbed jersey, not pads.  I also didn't see Alexander (or anyone else at the time) jump up and complain.  Maybe he thought the tackle was legal?  Maybe "nobody's talking about it" because it's a non-issue?  It's pretty easy to go back and pick apart a game for "maybes" and "questionables".

5.  I agree the call on Hasselback is dumb.  However, the same call was made on Randle El a few weeks ago when he dove through blockers to make a tackle on an INT return.  Of course, again, it's not an important call...the INT would stand anyhow, so all that's left is speculation that the Steelers "may not" have used the gadget play to score if they were 15 yards further away.  Pretty slim speculation IMO.

6.  The "low block" rule Hasselback was called for only applies on change of possession plays.  Obviously it is not a factor in the Pittsburgh TD play: Ben's block was perfectly legal.  By comparison, Ben got hit by a blocker after his INT--does that constitute roughing the passer?  No, because once the INT is made, you have different rules.  Don't complain aobut rules you don't understand.

7.  You thought you saw an offsides that didn't get called?  That only happens about 5 times a game.  Get over it. 

8.    Again, if you've watched any football, you see this at least once a week.  if the QB calls for the TO before the ref whilstles the delay of game, the call is never made.  Are refs human?  Last time I checked.  Do they have reaction times that sometimes get beat by the QB?  Yeah.  Do you want the game stopped after every single play so they can go check the replay and see if "maybe" something should have been called?  Get real. 

9.  I counted at least 5 "questionable" holds on Seattle that didn't get called.  At the end of the first half, there was a Seattle player tackled in bounds, but the clock was stopped until the next snap, giving them a few extra seconds to mismanage.  Anyone can go through a game and find things to question.  If your team overcomes them, they are inconsequential.  If your team loses, they become instant  :cry:

BTW, note to Shick!: Anymore posts about how it's not Seattle fans crying?
Hey homer. I gave Pittsburgh a lot of credit. To be honest, more than they deserved. I never replayed this game. I made these mental notes just watching the game as a fan. If you want to question my knowledge of the game that's your right. Based on your comments above it's clear that you don't know the game and you can't see through your :nerd: black and gold glasses. In my effort to show fairness and respect to the Steelers and their fans, I get this? I hope that there are other Steeler fans :bag: out there with a bit more class than you!
What about apalmer's post is classless exactly? Could you explain?
 
First, let me say that I am a Seattle Seahawk fan but, more importantly, I am a fan of the game. I want to share some of my insight about Super Bowl 40. We need to give credit to the Pittsburgh Steelers for their incredible run through the playoffs, winning on the road against the #1, #2 and #3 seeds from the tough AFC.  :thumbup:   Their win against the Indianapolis Colts on the road was a testament to the greatness of their football team and their franchise. They won despite two very poor calls by the referee's that seemed to turn the momentum to the Colts. These two calls wreaked  :rolleyes:   of favoritism towards the home team and if it wasn't for a great shoe string tackle by Mr. Roethlisberger we could have been a part of one of the most unfair outcomes of a big game in NFL history.

Now to the Super Bowl. Let's be clear about one thing the Seahawks did not have 1, 2 or 3 bad calls go against them, they had as I counted them, 8 bad calls go against them. While not all these calls determined the outcome of the game, almost all of them changed the momentum and at times took points off the board as well as gave points or added yards to Pittsburgh.

#1- The D-Jax PI. This call should not have been made and was made only because the referee was influenced by Chris Hope's reaction to what he thought was a push off. While the replayed showed that D-Jax extended his arm towards Mr. Hopes chest he did not gain leverage or seperation because of the extension of his arm. For there to be interference the receiver has to gain seperation due to his actions. Clearly, that didn't happen. Mr. Hope reacted towards the official because he got beat, clear and simple. The official took at least 1.5-2.0 seconds before he reached for the flag.  :rolleyes:

#2- The Roethlisberger TD. While this was a close play I never saw the nose of the ball touch or get to the goal line. This was 3rd down so we don't know if Pittsburgh would have scored on 4th down? To be honest I'm not as upset at this call as most are around the country.

#3- Sean Locklear holding penalty on the pass to Jerramy Stevens to the Pittsburgh 1- yard line. This holding call was questionable, at best. All the analysts agreed that it was a poor call.  :hot: Seattle would have had the ball at the 1-yard line with the #1 touchdown back in the backfield and the Seattle offensive line dominating Pittsburghs line all day. TD Seahawks.

#4- Nobody's talking about the Joey Porter horse collar tackle on Shaun Alexanders 15 yard run in the 3rd quarter. This was an obvious penalty and one that the officials were suppose to be looking for because of the recent injuries caused by this type of tackle. Porter clearly pulled SA down by grabbing on to the back of Alexanders shoulder pads. 15 additional yards and added momentum, lost.

#5- Hasselbecks penalty for "blocking"? below the waist as he made the tackle on Ike Taylor after his interception. How do you get a penalty for blocking when your opponent has the ball? Watch the play .... Hasselbeck makes a great tackle and that's all. I still can't figure out why the referee :nerd:   made the call that he did? Horrible call. Added yards for Pittsburgh and added momentum.

#6- On the next series when Randle El throws the beautiful pass to Hines Ward for the TD Roethlisberger, behind the line of scrimmage, blocks a Seahawk clearly below the waist to assist Randle El in having more time to throw the TD pass. Watch the replay .... this was clearly, by definition, a block below the waist and should have been called to negate the TD. For this to happen 3 plays after the Hasselbeck call and to not call it on Roethlisberger?  :confused:

#7- I believe it was on the play that Hasselbeck through the PI, the Pittsburgh linebacker on the left side was offsides by at least 1 yard before the snap was made. You could see it clear as day live and especially on the replay. This offsides would have taken away the PI and gave Seattle the ball back in scoring position.

#8- In the 4th Quarter when Pittsburgh had the ball I was watching the time clock run down as Roethlisberger was ready to take the snap from center the clock reached ZERO then Roethlisberger looked back to the referee behind him and called timeout. The time clock was at 0 at least 1 second before the time out was asked for by Big Ben and the ref gave it to him? The analysts on ABC only explanation was that the referee can't watch the clock and the QB at the same time? WTF? If that's the case then go to the replay and get the call right.

These were all BAD calls. Did they change the outcome of the game? Maybe, maybe not. Did these calls change the momentum away from Seattle? Definately.

I believe these calls changed not only the momentum and possibly the outcome of the game but more importantly it ruined the game for the sports fan. The Pittsburgh fans want to call us Seahawk fans whiny little babies but if these calls would have been called on their team do we really think they would have been quiet on these message boards and proclaimed the Seahawks as the better team? I think not. The stats don't lie. From the opening series the Seahawks dictated the tempo and moved the ball pretty much the entire ball game against what was suppose to be a great defense. The Seattle defense, in my opinion was the better defense on the field also. They gave up two big plays. A gadget play that they should have been prepared for and a 75 yard run that was caused by a 3rd string Safety taking an improper angle on Willie Parker (And yes, he is fast!). Other than those two plays and letting Ben run for a couple of clock-moving runs on 3rd down the Seahawk defense asserted themselves as the better defense. Matt Hasselbeck, in my opinion was the best player on the field and deserved more credit than he got for the game that he played and how he moved the ball on the Pittsburgh defense. What would his stats had looked like had Stevens not dropped the 3 balls he did and D-Jax TD would have been allowed? Wow!

Did Seattle deserve to win? Tough question .... probably not. Their clock management was terrible at the end of each half. I still don't understand why Holmgren didn't attempt a field goal with 53 seconds left and take a chance with a onside kick for a possible game tying TD? D-Jax should have done a better job of catching the ball off his correct shoulder which would have allowed him to keep both feet in bounds at the end zone. And Jerremy Stevens? Talk with your performance. Your performance was terrible. With that said, I thought "the mouth" Joey Porter was a non-factor also and only made one play all day and that was the illegal tackle on SA.

I think every NFL fan should be outraged at the way this game and the Indy-Ptt game was officiated. It smells of boxing and someone needs to be held accountable. I feel sorry for Seahawk fans, players and coaches who have waited 30 years to get this opportunity, only to have it compromised by one horrible call after another.  I feel sorry for the Steeler players, fans and coaches. The Steelers had an incredible post-season run to the Title, probably the best in the history of the NFL and they have to listen to all this crap about the officiating. Wake up Mr. Tagliabue ...... there is a foul smell in the air. You manage the greatest team sport in the world and if you don't bring some change, fast, to the way it's officiated you are not going to like the end result.

Congratulations to The Pittsburgh Steelers. I hope that one day our Seahawk Franchise can match your tradition and your consistency.

'The Professor"
Are these your words? By "the professor" do you mean John Clayton?J
Come on "J" .... You know that theres only one Professor! :yes:
 
Imagine!  A thread complaining about the officiating!  What a novelty!  For the umpteenth time:

1.  The official DID NOT wait for Hope to complain.  Watch the replay again--the official tried to throw his flag even before the pass was caught, but whiffed and had to reach back to his pocket a second time to get it.  He didn't get seperation because of the contact?  The safety gets pushed toward the sideline, DJax turns the other way, takes a step or two and immediately catches the ball and the push off wasn't a factor?  Give me a break.  Is it the kind of violation that officials often miss?  Yeah, it is.  Does that make it less of a violation?  Only if you're desperate to think so.

2.  You don't think it was a TD, the ref did.  It's called a "judgment call" for a reason.  As you indicated, though, it's not a big deal because the chances are high that they get the TD on 4th and inches anyhow.

3.  "Questionable" does not equal "wrong".  Madden couldn't see the hold because Haggans was between the camera and Locklear so you couldn't see what Locklear was doing.  Of course, you could see that Haggans mysteriously had his momentum changed after he got past Locklear, but maybe he just hit the force field around Hasselback?

4.  It sure looked to me like Porter grabbed jersey, not pads.  I also didn't see Alexander (or anyone else at the time) jump up and complain.  Maybe he thought the tackle was legal?  Maybe "nobody's talking about it" because it's a non-issue?  It's pretty easy to go back and pick apart a game for "maybes" and "questionables".

5.  I agree the call on Hasselback is dumb.  However, the same call was made on Randle El a few weeks ago when he dove through blockers to make a tackle on an INT return.  Of course, again, it's not an important call...the INT would stand anyhow, so all that's left is speculation that the Steelers "may not" have used the gadget play to score if they were 15 yards further away.  Pretty slim speculation IMO.

6.  The "low block" rule Hasselback was called for only applies on change of possession plays.  Obviously it is not a factor in the Pittsburgh TD play: Ben's block was perfectly legal.  By comparison, Ben got hit by a blocker after his INT--does that constitute roughing the passer?  No, because once the INT is made, you have different rules.  Don't complain aobut rules you don't understand.

7.  You thought you saw an offsides that didn't get called?  That only happens about 5 times a game.  Get over it. 

8.    Again, if you've watched any football, you see this at least once a week.  if the QB calls for the TO before the ref whilstles the delay of game, the call is never made.  Are refs human?  Last time I checked.  Do they have reaction times that sometimes get beat by the QB?  Yeah.  Do you want the game stopped after every single play so they can go check the replay and see if "maybe" something should have been called?  Get real. 

9.  I counted at least 5 "questionable" holds on Seattle that didn't get called.  At the end of the first half, there was a Seattle player tackled in bounds, but the clock was stopped until the next snap, giving them a few extra seconds to mismanage.  Anyone can go through a game and find things to question.  If your team overcomes them, they are inconsequential.  If your team loses, they become instant  :cry:

BTW, note to Shick!: Anymore posts about how it's not Seattle fans crying?
Hey homer. I gave Pittsburgh a lot of credit. To be honest, more than they deserved. I never replayed this game. I made these mental notes just watching the game as a fan. If you want to question my knowledge of the game that's your right. Based on your comments above it's clear that you don't know the game and you can't see through your :nerd: black and gold glasses. In my effort to show fairness and respect to the Steelers and their fans, I get this? I hope that there are other Steeler fans :bag: out there with a bit more class than you!
What about apalmer's post is classless exactly? Could you explain?
Perhaps before I answer you should read it again? Read slowly through the sarcasm and arrogance. Call me when your finished. :popcorn:
 
First, let me say that I am a Seattle Seahawk fan but, more importantly, I am a fan of the game. I want to share some of my insight about Super Bowl 40. We need to give credit to the Pittsburgh Steelers for their incredible run through the playoffs, winning on the road against the #1, #2 and #3 seeds from the tough AFC.  :thumbup:   Their win against the Indianapolis Colts on the road was a testament to the greatness of their football team and their franchise. They won despite two very poor calls by the referee's that seemed to turn the momentum to the Colts. These two calls wreaked  :rolleyes:   of favoritism towards the home team and if it wasn't for a great shoe string tackle by Mr. Roethlisberger we could have been a part of one of the most unfair outcomes of a big game in NFL history.

Now to the Super Bowl. Let's be clear about one thing the Seahawks did not have 1, 2 or 3 bad calls go against them, they had as I counted them, 8 bad calls go against them. While not all these calls determined the outcome of the game, almost all of them changed the momentum and at times took points off the board as well as gave points or added yards to Pittsburgh.

#1- The D-Jax PI. This call should not have been made and was made only because the referee was influenced by Chris Hope's reaction to what he thought was a push off. While the replayed showed that D-Jax extended his arm towards Mr. Hopes chest he did not gain leverage or seperation because of the extension of his arm. For there to be interference the receiver has to gain seperation due to his actions. Clearly, that didn't happen. Mr. Hope reacted towards the official because he got beat, clear and simple. The official took at least 1.5-2.0 seconds before he reached for the flag.   :rolleyes:

#2- The Roethlisberger TD. While this was a close play I never saw the nose of the ball touch or get to the goal line. This was 3rd down so we don't know if Pittsburgh would have scored on 4th down? To be honest I'm not as upset at this call as most are around the country.

#3- Sean Locklear holding penalty on the pass to Jerramy Stevens to the Pittsburgh 1- yard line. This holding call was questionable, at best. All the analysts agreed that it was a poor call.  :hot: Seattle would have had the ball at the 1-yard line with the #1 touchdown back in the backfield and the Seattle offensive line dominating Pittsburghs line all day. TD Seahawks.

#4- Nobody's talking about the Joey Porter horse collar tackle on Shaun Alexanders 15 yard run in the 3rd quarter. This was an obvious penalty and one that the officials were suppose to be looking for because of the recent injuries caused by this type of tackle. Porter clearly pulled SA down by grabbing on to the back of Alexanders shoulder pads. 15 additional yards and added momentum, lost.

#5- Hasselbecks penalty for "blocking"? below the waist as he made the tackle on Ike Taylor after his interception. How do you get a penalty for blocking when your opponent has the ball? Watch the play .... Hasselbeck makes a great tackle and that's all. I still can't figure out why the referee :nerd:   made the call that he did? Horrible call. Added yards for Pittsburgh and added momentum.

#6- On the next series when Randle El throws the beautiful pass to Hines Ward for the TD Roethlisberger, behind the line of scrimmage, blocks a Seahawk clearly below the waist to assist Randle El in having more time to throw the TD pass. Watch the replay .... this was clearly, by definition, a block below the waist and should have been called to negate the TD. For this to happen 3 plays after the Hasselbeck call and to not call it on Roethlisberger?  :confused:

#7- I believe it was on the play that Hasselbeck through the PI, the Pittsburgh linebacker on the left side was offsides by at least 1 yard before the snap was made. You could see it clear as day live and especially on the replay. This offsides would have taken away the PI and gave Seattle the ball back in scoring position.

#8- In the 4th Quarter when Pittsburgh had the ball I was watching the time clock run down as Roethlisberger was ready to take the snap from center the clock reached ZERO then Roethlisberger looked back to the referee behind him and called timeout. The time clock was at 0 at least 1 second before the time out was asked for by Big Ben and the ref gave it to him? The analysts on ABC only explanation was that the referee can't watch the clock and the QB at the same time? WTF? If that's the case then go to the replay and get the call right.

These were all BAD calls. Did they change the outcome of the game? Maybe, maybe not. Did these calls change the momentum away from Seattle? Definately.

I believe these calls changed not only the momentum and possibly the outcome of the game but more importantly it ruined the game for the sports fan. The Pittsburgh fans want to call us Seahawk fans whiny little babies but if these calls would have been called on their team do we really think they would have been quiet on these message boards and proclaimed the Seahawks as the better team? I think not. The stats don't lie. From the opening series the Seahawks dictated the tempo and moved the ball pretty much the entire ball game against what was suppose to be a great defense. The Seattle defense, in my opinion was the better defense on the field also. They gave up two big plays. A gadget play that they should have been prepared for and a 75 yard run that was caused by a 3rd string Safety taking an improper angle on Willie Parker (And yes, he is fast!). Other than those two plays and letting Ben run for a couple of clock-moving runs on 3rd down the Seahawk defense asserted themselves as the better defense. Matt Hasselbeck, in my opinion was the best player on the field and deserved more credit than he got for the game that he played and how he moved the ball on the Pittsburgh defense. What would his stats had looked like had Stevens not dropped the 3 balls he did and D-Jax TD would have been allowed? Wow!

Did Seattle deserve to win? Tough question .... probably not. Their clock management was terrible at the end of each half. I still don't understand why Holmgren didn't attempt a field goal with 53 seconds left and take a chance with a onside kick for a possible game tying TD? D-Jax should have done a better job of catching the ball off his correct shoulder which would have allowed him to keep both feet in bounds at the end zone. And Jerremy Stevens? Talk with your performance. Your performance was terrible. With that said, I thought "the mouth" Joey Porter was a non-factor also and only made one play all day and that was the illegal tackle on SA.

I think every NFL fan should be outraged at the way this game and the Indy-Ptt game was officiated. It smells of boxing and someone needs to be held accountable. I feel sorry for Seahawk fans, players and coaches who have waited 30 years to get this opportunity, only to have it compromised by one horrible call after another.  I feel sorry for the Steeler players, fans and coaches. The Steelers had an incredible post-season run to the Title, probably the best in the history of the NFL and they have to listen to all this crap about the officiating. Wake up Mr. Tagliabue ...... there is a foul smell in the air. You manage the greatest team sport in the world and if you don't bring some change, fast, to the way it's officiated you are not going to like the end result.

Congratulations to The Pittsburgh Steelers. I hope that one day our Seahawk Franchise can match your tradition and your consistency.

'The Professor"
Are these your words? By "the professor" do you mean John Clayton?J
Come on "J" .... You know that theres only one Professor! :yes:
Correct
 
I see all of these posts from "MovinTheChains" come in waves. It's nice he squeezes these in between performing brain surgeries.

 
The Pittsburgh fans want to call us Seahawk fans whiny little babies but if these calls would have been called on their team do we really think they would have been quiet on these message boards and proclaimed the Seahawks as the better team? I think not.
Good posting. I agree wholeheartedly with this comment and I don't think a single Pitt fan could refute it.
Are you kidding me?!? There would be between 5 and 10 bannings a day in here alone. There would be triple the amount of "refs sucks!" threads.Seattle got screwed big time and I honestly can't look at the Steelers championship without a * on it.

 
First, let me say that I am a Seattle Seahawk fan but, more importantly, I am a fan of the game. I want to share some of my insight about Super Bowl 40. We need to give credit to the Pittsburgh Steelers for their incredible run through the playoffs, winning on the road against the #1, #2 and #3 seeds from the tough AFC. :thumbup: Their win against the Indianapolis Colts on the road was a testament to the greatness of their football team and their franchise. They won despite two very poor calls by the referee's that seemed to turn the momentum to the Colts. These two calls wreaked :rolleyes: of favoritism towards the home team and if it wasn't for a great shoe string tackle by Mr. Roethlisberger we could have been a part of one of the most unfair outcomes of a big game in NFL history.

Now to the Super Bowl. Let's be clear about one thing the Seahawks did not have 1, 2 or 3 bad calls go against them, they had as I counted them, 8 bad calls go against them. While not all these calls determined the outcome of the game, almost all of them changed the momentum and at times took points off the board as well as gave points or added yards to Pittsburgh.

#1- The D-Jax PI. This call should not have been made and was made only because the referee was influenced by Chris Hope's reaction to what he thought was a push off. While the replayed showed that D-Jax extended his arm towards Mr. Hopes chest he did not gain leverage or seperation because of the extension of his arm. For there to be interference the receiver has to gain seperation due to his actions. Clearly, that didn't happen. Mr. Hope reacted towards the official because he got beat, clear and simple. The official took at least 1.5-2.0 seconds before he reached for the flag. :rolleyes:

#2- The Roethlisberger TD. While this was a close play I never saw the nose of the ball touch or get to the goal line. This was 3rd down so we don't know if Pittsburgh would have scored on 4th down? To be honest I'm not as upset at this call as most are around the country.

#3- Sean Locklear holding penalty on the pass to Jerramy Stevens to the Pittsburgh 1- yard line. This holding call was questionable, at best. All the analysts agreed that it was a poor call. :hot: Seattle would have had the ball at the 1-yard line with the #1 touchdown back in the backfield and the Seattle offensive line dominating Pittsburghs line all day. TD Seahawks.

#4- Nobody's talking about the Joey Porter horse collar tackle on Shaun Alexanders 15 yard run in the 3rd quarter. This was an obvious penalty and one that the officials were suppose to be looking for because of the recent injuries caused by this type of tackle. Porter clearly pulled SA down by grabbing on to the back of Alexanders shoulder pads. 15 additional yards and added momentum, lost.

#5- Hasselbecks penalty for "blocking"? below the waist as he made the tackle on Ike Taylor after his interception. How do you get a penalty for blocking when your opponent has the ball? Watch the play .... Hasselbeck makes a great tackle and that's all. I still can't figure out why the referee :nerd: made the call that he did? Horrible call. Added yards for Pittsburgh and added momentum.

#6- On the next series when Randle El throws the beautiful pass to Hines Ward for the TD Roethlisberger, behind the line of scrimmage, blocks a Seahawk clearly below the waist to assist Randle El in having more time to throw the TD pass. Watch the replay .... this was clearly, by definition, a block below the waist and should have been called to negate the TD. For this to happen 3 plays after the Hasselbeck call and to not call it on Roethlisberger? :confused:

#7- I believe it was on the play that Hasselbeck through the PI, the Pittsburgh linebacker on the left side was offsides by at least 1 yard before the snap was made. You could see it clear as day live and especially on the replay. This offsides would have taken away the PI and gave Seattle the ball back in scoring position.

#8- In the 4th Quarter when Pittsburgh had the ball I was watching the time clock run down as Roethlisberger was ready to take the snap from center the clock reached ZERO then Roethlisberger looked back to the referee behind him and called timeout. The time clock was at 0 at least 1 second before the time out was asked for by Big Ben and the ref gave it to him? The analysts on ABC only explanation was that the referee can't watch the clock and the QB at the same time? WTF? If that's the case then go to the replay and get the call right.

These were all BAD calls. Did they change the outcome of the game? Maybe, maybe not. Did these calls change the momentum away from Seattle? Definately.

I believe these calls changed not only the momentum and possibly the outcome of the game but more importantly it ruined the game for the sports fan. The Pittsburgh fans want to call us Seahawk fans whiny little babies but if these calls would have been called on their team do we really think they would have been quiet on these message boards and proclaimed the Seahawks as the better team? I think not. The stats don't lie. From the opening series the Seahawks dictated the tempo and moved the ball pretty much the entire ball game against what was suppose to be a great defense. The Seattle defense, in my opinion was the better defense on the field also. They gave up two big plays. A gadget play that they should have been prepared for and a 75 yard run that was caused by a 3rd string Safety taking an improper angle on Willie Parker (And yes, he is fast!). Other than those two plays and letting Ben run for a couple of clock-moving runs on 3rd down the Seahawk defense asserted themselves as the better defense. Matt Hasselbeck, in my opinion was the best player on the field and deserved more credit than he got for the game that he played and how he moved the ball on the Pittsburgh defense. What would his stats had looked like had Stevens not dropped the 3 balls he did and D-Jax TD would have been allowed? Wow!

Did Seattle deserve to win? Tough question .... probably not. Their clock management was terrible at the end of each half. I still don't understand why Holmgren didn't attempt a field goal with 53 seconds left and take a chance with a onside kick for a possible game tying TD? D-Jax should have done a better job of catching the ball off his correct shoulder which would have allowed him to keep both feet in bounds at the end zone. And Jerremy Stevens? Talk with your performance. Your performance was terrible. With that said, I thought "the mouth" Joey Porter was a non-factor also and only made one play all day and that was the illegal tackle on SA.

I think every NFL fan should be outraged at the way this game and the Indy-Ptt game was officiated. It smells of boxing and someone needs to be held accountable. I feel sorry for Seahawk fans, players and coaches who have waited 30 years to get this opportunity, only to have it compromised by one horrible call after another. I feel sorry for the Steeler players, fans and coaches. The Steelers had an incredible post-season run to the Title, probably the best in the history of the NFL and they have to listen to all this crap about the officiating. Wake up Mr. Tagliabue ...... there is a foul smell in the air. You manage the greatest team sport in the world and if you don't bring some change, fast, to the way it's officiated you are not going to like the end result.

Congratulations to The Pittsburgh Steelers. I hope that one day our Seahawk Franchise can match your tradition and your consistency.

'The Professor"
Steeler fan here. I disagree with some of what you wrote but overall very class post. In all honesty, I really wish there was a way to replay the damn thing :hot: . The outcome of that game wasn't good for anyone.
 
The Pittsburgh fans want to call us Seahawk fans whiny little babies but if these calls would have been called on their team do we really think they would have been quiet on these message boards and proclaimed the Seahawks as the better team? I think not.
Good posting. I agree wholeheartedly with this comment and I don't think a single Pitt fan could refute it.
Are you kidding me?!? There would be between 5 and 10 bannings a day in here alone. There would be triple the amount of "refs sucks!" threads.Seattle got screwed big time and I honestly can't look at the Steelers championship without a * on it.
The Herd on ESPN radio yesterday stated he would never acknowledge the Steelers as Supber Bowl XL champs. :lmao:
 
I see all of these posts from "MovinTheChains" come in waves. It's nice he squeezes these in between performing brain surgeries.
Believe it or not, Providence gave me a day off. Obviously, you will NEVER need my services. At least your Mom and Dad got the name right! :yes:
 
The Pittsburgh fans want to call us Seahawk fans whiny little babies but if these calls would have been called on their team do we really think they would have been quiet on these message boards and proclaimed the Seahawks as the better team? I think not.
Good posting. I agree wholeheartedly with this comment and I don't think a single Pitt fan could refute it.
Are you kidding me?!? There would be between 5 and 10 bannings a day in here alone. There would be triple the amount of "refs sucks!" threads.Seattle got screwed big time and I honestly can't look at the Steelers championship without a * on it.
The Herd on ESPN radio yesterday stated he would never acknowledge the Steelers as Supber Bowl XL champs. :lmao:
Who is the Herd and why should I as a Steeler fan care? :lmao:
 
First, let me say that I am a Seattle Seahawk fan but, more importantly, I am a fan of the game. I want to share some of my insight about Super Bowl 40. We need to give credit to the Pittsburgh Steelers for their incredible run through the playoffs, winning on the road against the #1, #2 and #3 seeds from the tough AFC.  :thumbup:   Their win against the Indianapolis Colts on the road was a testament to the greatness of their football team and their franchise. They won despite two very poor calls by the referee's that seemed to turn the momentum to the Colts. These two calls wreaked  :rolleyes:   of favoritism towards the home team and if it wasn't for a great shoe string tackle by Mr. Roethlisberger we could have been a part of one of the most unfair outcomes of a big game in NFL history.

Now to the Super Bowl. Let's be clear about one thing the Seahawks did not have 1, 2 or 3 bad calls go against them, they had as I counted them, 8 bad calls go against them. While not all these calls determined the outcome of the game, almost all of them changed the momentum and at times took points off the board as well as gave points or added yards to Pittsburgh.

#1- The D-Jax PI. This call should not have been made and was made only because the referee was influenced by Chris Hope's reaction to what he thought was a push off. While the replayed showed that D-Jax extended his arm towards Mr. Hopes chest he did not gain leverage or seperation because of the extension of his arm. For there to be interference the receiver has to gain seperation due to his actions. Clearly, that didn't happen. Mr. Hope reacted towards the official because he got beat, clear and simple. The official took at least 1.5-2.0 seconds before he reached for the flag.  :rolleyes:

#2- The Roethlisberger TD. While this was a close play I never saw the nose of the ball touch or get to the goal line. This was 3rd down so we don't know if Pittsburgh would have scored on 4th down? To be honest I'm not as upset at this call as most are around the country.

#3- Sean Locklear holding penalty on the pass to Jerramy Stevens to the Pittsburgh 1- yard line. This holding call was questionable, at best. All the analysts agreed that it was a poor call.  :hot: Seattle would have had the ball at the 1-yard line with the #1 touchdown back in the backfield and the Seattle offensive line dominating Pittsburghs line all day. TD Seahawks.

#4- Nobody's talking about the Joey Porter horse collar tackle on Shaun Alexanders 15 yard run in the 3rd quarter. This was an obvious penalty and one that the officials were suppose to be looking for because of the recent injuries caused by this type of tackle. Porter clearly pulled SA down by grabbing on to the back of Alexanders shoulder pads. 15 additional yards and added momentum, lost.

#5- Hasselbecks penalty for "blocking"? below the waist as he made the tackle on Ike Taylor after his interception. How do you get a penalty for blocking when your opponent has the ball? Watch the play .... Hasselbeck makes a great tackle and that's all. I still can't figure out why the referee :nerd:   made the call that he did? Horrible call. Added yards for Pittsburgh and added momentum.

#6- On the next series when Randle El throws the beautiful pass to Hines Ward for the TD Roethlisberger, behind the line of scrimmage, blocks a Seahawk clearly below the waist to assist Randle El in having more time to throw the TD pass. Watch the replay .... this was clearly, by definition, a block below the waist and should have been called to negate the TD. For this to happen 3 plays after the Hasselbeck call and to not call it on Roethlisberger?  :confused:

#7- I believe it was on the play that Hasselbeck through the PI, the Pittsburgh linebacker on the left side was offsides by at least 1 yard before the snap was made. You could see it clear as day live and especially on the replay. This offsides would have taken away the PI and gave Seattle the ball back in scoring position.

#8- In the 4th Quarter when Pittsburgh had the ball I was watching the time clock run down as Roethlisberger was ready to take the snap from center the clock reached ZERO then Roethlisberger looked back to the referee behind him and called timeout. The time clock was at 0 at least 1 second before the time out was asked for by Big Ben and the ref gave it to him? The analysts on ABC only explanation was that the referee can't watch the clock and the QB at the same time? WTF? If that's the case then go to the replay and get the call right.

These were all BAD calls. Did they change the outcome of the game? Maybe, maybe not. Did these calls change the momentum away from Seattle? Definately.

I believe these calls changed not only the momentum and possibly the outcome of the game but more importantly it ruined the game for the sports fan. The Pittsburgh fans want to call us Seahawk fans whiny little babies but if these calls would have been called on their team do we really think they would have been quiet on these message boards and proclaimed the Seahawks as the better team? I think not. The stats don't lie. From the opening series the Seahawks dictated the tempo and moved the ball pretty much the entire ball game against what was suppose to be a great defense. The Seattle defense, in my opinion was the better defense on the field also. They gave up two big plays. A gadget play that they should have been prepared for and a 75 yard run that was caused by a 3rd string Safety taking an improper angle on Willie Parker (And yes, he is fast!). Other than those two plays and letting Ben run for a couple of clock-moving runs on 3rd down the Seahawk defense asserted themselves as the better defense. Matt Hasselbeck, in my opinion was the best player on the field and deserved more credit than he got for the game that he played and how he moved the ball on the Pittsburgh defense. What would his stats had looked like had Stevens not dropped the 3 balls he did and D-Jax TD would have been allowed? Wow!

Did Seattle deserve to win? Tough question .... probably not. Their clock management was terrible at the end of each half. I still don't understand why Holmgren didn't attempt a field goal with 53 seconds left and take a chance with a onside kick for a possible game tying TD? D-Jax should have done a better job of catching the ball off his correct shoulder which would have allowed him to keep both feet in bounds at the end zone. And Jerremy Stevens? Talk with your performance. Your performance was terrible. With that said, I thought "the mouth" Joey Porter was a non-factor also and only made one play all day and that was the illegal tackle on SA.

I think every NFL fan should be outraged at the way this game and the Indy-Ptt game was officiated. It smells of boxing and someone needs to be held accountable. I feel sorry for Seahawk fans, players and coaches who have waited 30 years to get this opportunity, only to have it compromised by one horrible call after another.  I feel sorry for the Steeler players, fans and coaches. The Steelers had an incredible post-season run to the Title, probably the best in the history of the NFL and they have to listen to all this crap about the officiating. Wake up Mr. Tagliabue ...... there is a foul smell in the air. You manage the greatest team sport in the world and if you don't bring some change, fast, to the way it's officiated you are not going to like the end result.

Congratulations to The Pittsburgh Steelers. I hope that one day our Seahawk Franchise can match your tradition and your consistency.

'The Professor"
Steeler fan here. I disagree with some of what you wrote but overall very class post. In all honesty, I really wish there was a way to replay the damn thing :hot: . The outcome of that game wasn't good for anyone.
I agree. Everyone got hurt by these calls. Everyone.
 
I see all of these posts from "MovinTheChains" come in waves. It's nice he squeezes these in between performing brain surgeries.
Believe it or not, Providence gave me a day off. Obviously, you will NEVER need my services. At least your Mom and Dad got the name right! :yes:
Do you have a whole staff of writers who help you come up with these zingers?
 
First, let me say that I am a Seattle Seahawk fan but, more importantly, I am a fan of the game. I want to share some of my insight about Super Bowl 40. We need to give credit to the Pittsburgh Steelers for their incredible run through the playoffs, winning on the road against the #1, #2 and #3 seeds from the tough AFC. :thumbup: Their win against the Indianapolis Colts on the road was a testament to the greatness of their football team and their franchise. They won despite two very poor calls by the referee's that seemed to turn the momentum to the Colts. These two calls wreaked :rolleyes: of favoritism towards the home team and if it wasn't for a great shoe string tackle by Mr. Roethlisberger we could have been a part of one of the most unfair outcomes of a big game in NFL history.

Now to the Super Bowl. Let's be clear about one thing the Seahawks did not have 1, 2 or 3 bad calls go against them, they had as I counted them, 8 bad calls go against them. While not all these calls determined the outcome of the game, almost all of them changed the momentum and at times took points off the board as well as gave points or added yards to Pittsburgh.

#1- The D-Jax PI. This call should not have been made and was made only because the referee was influenced by Chris Hope's reaction to what he thought was a push off. While the replayed showed that D-Jax extended his arm towards Mr. Hopes chest he did not gain leverage or seperation because of the extension of his arm. For there to be interference the receiver has to gain seperation due to his actions. Clearly, that didn't happen. Mr. Hope reacted towards the official because he got beat, clear and simple. The official took at least 1.5-2.0 seconds before he reached for the flag. :rolleyes:

#2- The Roethlisberger TD. While this was a close play I never saw the nose of the ball touch or get to the goal line. This was 3rd down so we don't know if Pittsburgh would have scored on 4th down? To be honest I'm not as upset at this call as most are around the country.

#3- Sean Locklear holding penalty on the pass to Jerramy Stevens to the Pittsburgh 1- yard line. This holding call was questionable, at best. All the analysts agreed that it was a poor call. :hot: Seattle would have had the ball at the 1-yard line with the #1 touchdown back in the backfield and the Seattle offensive line dominating Pittsburghs line all day. TD Seahawks.

#4- Nobody's talking about the Joey Porter horse collar tackle on Shaun Alexanders 15 yard run in the 3rd quarter. This was an obvious penalty and one that the officials were suppose to be looking for because of the recent injuries caused by this type of tackle. Porter clearly pulled SA down by grabbing on to the back of Alexanders shoulder pads. 15 additional yards and added momentum, lost.

#5- Hasselbecks penalty for "blocking"? below the waist as he made the tackle on Ike Taylor after his interception. How do you get a penalty for blocking when your opponent has the ball? Watch the play .... Hasselbeck makes a great tackle and that's all. I still can't figure out why the referee :nerd: made the call that he did? Horrible call. Added yards for Pittsburgh and added momentum.

#6- On the next series when Randle El throws the beautiful pass to Hines Ward for the TD Roethlisberger, behind the line of scrimmage, blocks a Seahawk clearly below the waist to assist Randle El in having more time to throw the TD pass. Watch the replay .... this was clearly, by definition, a block below the waist and should have been called to negate the TD. For this to happen 3 plays after the Hasselbeck call and to not call it on Roethlisberger? :confused:

#7- I believe it was on the play that Hasselbeck through the PI, the Pittsburgh linebacker on the left side was offsides by at least 1 yard before the snap was made. You could see it clear as day live and especially on the replay. This offsides would have taken away the PI and gave Seattle the ball back in scoring position.

#8- In the 4th Quarter when Pittsburgh had the ball I was watching the time clock run down as Roethlisberger was ready to take the snap from center the clock reached ZERO then Roethlisberger looked back to the referee behind him and called timeout. The time clock was at 0 at least 1 second before the time out was asked for by Big Ben and the ref gave it to him? The analysts on ABC only explanation was that the referee can't watch the clock and the QB at the same time? WTF? If that's the case then go to the replay and get the call right.

These were all BAD calls. Did they change the outcome of the game? Maybe, maybe not. Did these calls change the momentum away from Seattle? Definately.

I believe these calls changed not only the momentum and possibly the outcome of the game but more importantly it ruined the game for the sports fan. The Pittsburgh fans want to call us Seahawk fans whiny little babies but if these calls would have been called on their team do we really think they would have been quiet on these message boards and proclaimed the Seahawks as the better team? I think not. The stats don't lie. From the opening series the Seahawks dictated the tempo and moved the ball pretty much the entire ball game against what was suppose to be a great defense. The Seattle defense, in my opinion was the better defense on the field also. They gave up two big plays. A gadget play that they should have been prepared for and a 75 yard run that was caused by a 3rd string Safety taking an improper angle on Willie Parker (And yes, he is fast!). Other than those two plays and letting Ben run for a couple of clock-moving runs on 3rd down the Seahawk defense asserted themselves as the better defense. Matt Hasselbeck, in my opinion was the best player on the field and deserved more credit than he got for the game that he played and how he moved the ball on the Pittsburgh defense. What would his stats had looked like had Stevens not dropped the 3 balls he did and D-Jax TD would have been allowed? Wow!

Did Seattle deserve to win? Tough question .... probably not. Their clock management was terrible at the end of each half. I still don't understand why Holmgren didn't attempt a field goal with 53 seconds left and take a chance with a onside kick for a possible game tying TD? D-Jax should have done a better job of catching the ball off his correct shoulder which would have allowed him to keep both feet in bounds at the end zone. And Jerremy Stevens? Talk with your performance. Your performance was terrible. With that said, I thought "the mouth" Joey Porter was a non-factor also and only made one play all day and that was the illegal tackle on SA.

I think every NFL fan should be outraged at the way this game and the Indy-Ptt game was officiated. It smells of boxing and someone needs to be held accountable. I feel sorry for Seahawk fans, players and coaches who have waited 30 years to get this opportunity, only to have it compromised by one horrible call after another. I feel sorry for the Steeler players, fans and coaches. The Steelers had an incredible post-season run to the Title, probably the best in the history of the NFL and they have to listen to all this crap about the officiating. Wake up Mr. Tagliabue ...... there is a foul smell in the air. You manage the greatest team sport in the world and if you don't bring some change, fast, to the way it's officiated you are not going to like the end result.

Congratulations to The Pittsburgh Steelers. I hope that one day our Seahawk Franchise can match your tradition and your consistency.

'The Professor"
Are these your words? By "the professor" do you mean John Clayton?J
Come on "J" .... You know that theres only one Professor! :yes:
Correct
The Professor
 
1. The official DID NOT wait for Hope to complain. Watch the replay again--the official tried to throw his flag even before the pass was caught, but whiffed and had to reach back to his pocket a second time to get it.
Lost in the shuffle, but this is absolutely correct.
 
#4- Nobody's talking about the Joey Porter horse collar tackle on Shaun Alexanders 15 yard run in the 3rd quarter. This was an obvious penalty and one that the officials were suppose to be looking for because of the recent injuries caused by this type of tackle. Porter clearly pulled SA down by grabbing on to the back of Alexanders shoulder pads. 15 additional yards and added momentum, lost.
This is false -- people are talking about it. Problem is, 99% of the people talking about it, including you and me, don't know what the actual rule is, or how "horse collar" is defined. It's a lot more subtle than you're making it out to be.edit: added link to other thread

 
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#6- On the next series when Randle El throws the beautiful pass to Hines Ward for the TD Roethlisberger, behind the line of scrimmage, blocks a Seahawk clearly below the waist to assist Randle El in having more time to throw the TD pass. Watch the replay .... this was clearly, by definition, a block below the waist and should have been called to negate the TD. For this to happen 3 plays after the Hasselbeck call and to not call it on Roethlisberger? :confused:
False -- cut blocks like that are only illegal in the open field. They're perfectly legal behind the line of scrimmage unless there is a second player engaging the defender at the same time (chop block).That said, the Hasselbeck penalty was truly bizarre, to say the least...

 
you don't know the game
Priceless!Edited to add:

By your supporting arguments for #1, #4, #5 and #6, you are showing your ignorance of the rules. Yet you tell someone else they don't know the game. This is good stuff!

 
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First, let me say that I am a Seattle Seahawk fan but, more importantly, I am a fan of the game. I want to share some of my insight about Super Bowl 40. We need to give credit to the Pittsburgh Steelers for their incredible run through the playoffs, winning on the road against the #1, #2 and #3 seeds from the tough AFC.  :thumbup:   Their win against the Indianapolis Colts on the road was a testament to the greatness of their football team and their franchise. They won despite two very poor calls by the referee's that seemed to turn the momentum to the Colts. These two calls wreaked  :rolleyes:   of favoritism towards the home team and if it wasn't for a great shoe string tackle by Mr. Roethlisberger we could have been a part of one of the most unfair outcomes of a big game in NFL history.

Now to the Super Bowl. Let's be clear about one thing the Seahawks did not have 1, 2 or 3 bad calls go against them, they had as I counted them, 8 bad calls go against them. While not all these calls determined the outcome of the game, almost all of them changed the momentum and at times took points off the board as well as gave points or added yards to Pittsburgh.

#1- The D-Jax PI. This call should not have been made and was made only because the referee was influenced by Chris Hope's reaction to what he thought was a push off. While the replayed showed that D-Jax extended his arm towards Mr. Hopes chest he did not gain leverage or seperation because of the extension of his arm. For there to be interference the receiver has to gain seperation due to his actions. Clearly, that didn't happen. Mr. Hope reacted towards the official because he got beat, clear and simple. The official took at least 1.5-2.0 seconds before he reached for the flag.   :rolleyes:

#2- The Roethlisberger TD. While this was a close play I never saw the nose of the ball touch or get to the goal line. This was 3rd down so we don't know if Pittsburgh would have scored on 4th down? To be honest I'm not as upset at this call as most are around the country.

#3- Sean Locklear holding penalty on the pass to Jerramy Stevens to the Pittsburgh 1- yard line. This holding call was questionable, at best. All the analysts agreed that it was a poor call.  :hot: Seattle would have had the ball at the 1-yard line with the #1 touchdown back in the backfield and the Seattle offensive line dominating Pittsburghs line all day. TD Seahawks.

#4- Nobody's talking about the Joey Porter horse collar tackle on Shaun Alexanders 15 yard run in the 3rd quarter. This was an obvious penalty and one that the officials were suppose to be looking for because of the recent injuries caused by this type of tackle. Porter clearly pulled SA down by grabbing on to the back of Alexanders shoulder pads. 15 additional yards and added momentum, lost.

#5- Hasselbecks penalty for "blocking"? below the waist as he made the tackle on Ike Taylor after his interception. How do you get a penalty for blocking when your opponent has the ball? Watch the play .... Hasselbeck makes a great tackle and that's all. I still can't figure out why the referee :nerd:   made the call that he did? Horrible call. Added yards for Pittsburgh and added momentum.

#6- On the next series when Randle El throws the beautiful pass to Hines Ward for the TD Roethlisberger, behind the line of scrimmage, blocks a Seahawk clearly below the waist to assist Randle El in having more time to throw the TD pass. Watch the replay .... this was clearly, by definition, a block below the waist and should have been called to negate the TD. For this to happen 3 plays after the Hasselbeck call and to not call it on Roethlisberger?  :confused:

#7- I believe it was on the play that Hasselbeck through the PI, the Pittsburgh linebacker on the left side was offsides by at least 1 yard before the snap was made. You could see it clear as day live and especially on the replay. This offsides would have taken away the PI and gave Seattle the ball back in scoring position.

#8- In the 4th Quarter when Pittsburgh had the ball I was watching the time clock run down as Roethlisberger was ready to take the snap from center the clock reached ZERO then Roethlisberger looked back to the referee behind him and called timeout. The time clock was at 0 at least 1 second before the time out was asked for by Big Ben and the ref gave it to him? The analysts on ABC only explanation was that the referee can't watch the clock and the QB at the same time? WTF? If that's the case then go to the replay and get the call right.

These were all BAD calls. Did they change the outcome of the game? Maybe, maybe not. Did these calls change the momentum away from Seattle? Definately.

I believe these calls changed not only the momentum and possibly the outcome of the game but more importantly it ruined the game for the sports fan. The Pittsburgh fans want to call us Seahawk fans whiny little babies but if these calls would have been called on their team do we really think they would have been quiet on these message boards and proclaimed the Seahawks as the better team? I think not. The stats don't lie. From the opening series the Seahawks dictated the tempo and moved the ball pretty much the entire ball game against what was suppose to be a great defense. The Seattle defense, in my opinion was the better defense on the field also. They gave up two big plays. A gadget play that they should have been prepared for and a 75 yard run that was caused by a 3rd string Safety taking an improper angle on Willie Parker (And yes, he is fast!). Other than those two plays and letting Ben run for a couple of clock-moving runs on 3rd down the Seahawk defense asserted themselves as the better defense. Matt Hasselbeck, in my opinion was the best player on the field and deserved more credit than he got for the game that he played and how he moved the ball on the Pittsburgh defense. What would his stats had looked like had Stevens not dropped the 3 balls he did and D-Jax TD would have been allowed? Wow!

Did Seattle deserve to win? Tough question .... probably not. Their clock management was terrible at the end of each half. I still don't understand why Holmgren didn't attempt a field goal with 53 seconds left and take a chance with a onside kick for a possible game tying TD? D-Jax should have done a better job of catching the ball off his correct shoulder which would have allowed him to keep both feet in bounds at the end zone. And Jerremy Stevens? Talk with your performance. Your performance was terrible. With that said, I thought "the mouth" Joey Porter was a non-factor also and only made one play all day and that was the illegal tackle on SA.

I think every NFL fan should be outraged at the way this game and the Indy-Ptt game was officiated. It smells of boxing and someone needs to be held accountable. I feel sorry for Seahawk fans, players and coaches who have waited 30 years to get this opportunity, only to have it compromised by one horrible call after another.  I feel sorry for the Steeler players, fans and coaches. The Steelers had an incredible post-season run to the Title, probably the best in the history of the NFL and they have to listen to all this crap about the officiating. Wake up Mr. Tagliabue ...... there is a foul smell in the air. You manage the greatest team sport in the world and if you don't bring some change, fast, to the way it's officiated you are not going to like the end result.

Congratulations to The Pittsburgh Steelers. I hope that one day our Seahawk Franchise can match your tradition and your consistency.

'The Professor"
Are these your words? By "the professor" do you mean John Clayton?J
Come on "J" .... You know that theres only one Professor! :yes:
I'd agree. John Clayton is the Professor.Are you saying John Clayton wrote this? I didn't see it on the site. I know he's a Seattle guy but I'd be surprised to see him say this.

J

 
I see all of these posts from "MovinTheChains" come in waves. It's nice he squeezes these in between performing brain surgeries.
Believe it or not, Providence gave me a day off. Obviously, you will NEVER need my services. At least your Mom and Dad got the name right! :yes:
Do you have a whole staff of writers who help you come up with these zingers?
Nope. I'm my own man.
 
First, let me say that I am a Seattle Seahawk fan but, more importantly, I am a fan of the game. I want to share some of my insight about Super Bowl 40. We need to give credit to the Pittsburgh Steelers for their incredible run through the playoffs, winning on the road against the #1, #2 and #3 seeds from the tough AFC.  :thumbup:   Their win against the Indianapolis Colts on the road was a testament to the greatness of their football team and their franchise. They won despite two very poor calls by the referee's that seemed to turn the momentum to the Colts. These two calls wreaked  :rolleyes:   of favoritism towards the home team and if it wasn't for a great shoe string tackle by Mr. Roethlisberger we could have been a part of one of the most unfair outcomes of a big game in NFL history.

Now to the Super Bowl. Let's be clear about one thing the Seahawks did not have 1, 2 or 3 bad calls go against them, they had as I counted them, 8 bad calls go against them. While not all these calls determined the outcome of the game, almost all of them changed the momentum and at times took points off the board as well as gave points or added yards to Pittsburgh.

#1- The D-Jax PI. This call should not have been made and was made only because the referee was influenced by Chris Hope's reaction to what he thought was a push off. While the replayed showed that D-Jax extended his arm towards Mr. Hopes chest he did not gain leverage or seperation because of the extension of his arm. For there to be interference the receiver has to gain seperation due to his actions. Clearly, that didn't happen. Mr. Hope reacted towards the official because he got beat, clear and simple. The official took at least 1.5-2.0 seconds before he reached for the flag.  :rolleyes:

#2- The Roethlisberger TD. While this was a close play I never saw the nose of the ball touch or get to the goal line. This was 3rd down so we don't know if Pittsburgh would have scored on 4th down? To be honest I'm not as upset at this call as most are around the country.

#3- Sean Locklear holding penalty on the pass to Jerramy Stevens to the Pittsburgh 1- yard line. This holding call was questionable, at best. All the analysts agreed that it was a poor call.  :hot: Seattle would have had the ball at the 1-yard line with the #1 touchdown back in the backfield and the Seattle offensive line dominating Pittsburghs line all day. TD Seahawks.

#4- Nobody's talking about the Joey Porter horse collar tackle on Shaun Alexanders 15 yard run in the 3rd quarter. This was an obvious penalty and one that the officials were suppose to be looking for because of the recent injuries caused by this type of tackle. Porter clearly pulled SA down by grabbing on to the back of Alexanders shoulder pads. 15 additional yards and added momentum, lost.

#5- Hasselbecks penalty for "blocking"? below the waist as he made the tackle on Ike Taylor after his interception. How do you get a penalty for blocking when your opponent has the ball? Watch the play .... Hasselbeck makes a great tackle and that's all. I still can't figure out why the referee :nerd:   made the call that he did? Horrible call. Added yards for Pittsburgh and added momentum.

#6- On the next series when Randle El throws the beautiful pass to Hines Ward for the TD Roethlisberger, behind the line of scrimmage, blocks a Seahawk clearly below the waist to assist Randle El in having more time to throw the TD pass. Watch the replay .... this was clearly, by definition, a block below the waist and should have been called to negate the TD. For this to happen 3 plays after the Hasselbeck call and to not call it on Roethlisberger?  :confused:

#7- I believe it was on the play that Hasselbeck through the PI, the Pittsburgh linebacker on the left side was offsides by at least 1 yard before the snap was made. You could see it clear as day live and especially on the replay. This offsides would have taken away the PI and gave Seattle the ball back in scoring position.

#8- In the 4th Quarter when Pittsburgh had the ball I was watching the time clock run down as Roethlisberger was ready to take the snap from center the clock reached ZERO then Roethlisberger looked back to the referee behind him and called timeout. The time clock was at 0 at least 1 second before the time out was asked for by Big Ben and the ref gave it to him? The analysts on ABC only explanation was that the referee can't watch the clock and the QB at the same time? WTF? If that's the case then go to the replay and get the call right.

These were all BAD calls. Did they change the outcome of the game? Maybe, maybe not. Did these calls change the momentum away from Seattle? Definately.

I believe these calls changed not only the momentum and possibly the outcome of the game but more importantly it ruined the game for the sports fan. The Pittsburgh fans want to call us Seahawk fans whiny little babies but if these calls would have been called on their team do we really think they would have been quiet on these message boards and proclaimed the Seahawks as the better team? I think not. The stats don't lie. From the opening series the Seahawks dictated the tempo and moved the ball pretty much the entire ball game against what was suppose to be a great defense. The Seattle defense, in my opinion was the better defense on the field also. They gave up two big plays. A gadget play that they should have been prepared for and a 75 yard run that was caused by a 3rd string Safety taking an improper angle on Willie Parker (And yes, he is fast!). Other than those two plays and letting Ben run for a couple of clock-moving runs on 3rd down the Seahawk defense asserted themselves as the better defense. Matt Hasselbeck, in my opinion was the best player on the field and deserved more credit than he got for the game that he played and how he moved the ball on the Pittsburgh defense. What would his stats had looked like had Stevens not dropped the 3 balls he did and D-Jax TD would have been allowed? Wow!

Did Seattle deserve to win? Tough question .... probably not. Their clock management was terrible at the end of each half. I still don't understand why Holmgren didn't attempt a field goal with 53 seconds left and take a chance with a onside kick for a possible game tying TD? D-Jax should have done a better job of catching the ball off his correct shoulder which would have allowed him to keep both feet in bounds at the end zone. And Jerremy Stevens? Talk with your performance. Your performance was terrible. With that said, I thought "the mouth" Joey Porter was a non-factor also and only made one play all day and that was the illegal tackle on SA.

I think every NFL fan should be outraged at the way this game and the Indy-Ptt game was officiated. It smells of boxing and someone needs to be held accountable. I feel sorry for Seahawk fans, players and coaches who have waited 30 years to get this opportunity, only to have it compromised by one horrible call after another.  I feel sorry for the Steeler players, fans and coaches. The Steelers had an incredible post-season run to the Title, probably the best in the history of the NFL and they have to listen to all this crap about the officiating. Wake up Mr. Tagliabue ...... there is a foul smell in the air. You manage the greatest team sport in the world and if you don't bring some change, fast, to the way it's officiated you are not going to like the end result.

Congratulations to The Pittsburgh Steelers. I hope that one day our Seahawk Franchise can match your tradition and your consistency.

'The Professor"
Are these your words? By "the professor" do you mean John Clayton?J
Come on "J" .... You know that theres only one Professor! :yes:
Correct
The Professor
Howard couldn't hold my deck!
 
I freely admit the officiating wasn't great. In the end, its still Pittsburgh Steelers 2006 World Champions of the World though.

I'd like to extend a congrats to Seattle for this season and I hope to God both of these teams make it back to the Super Bowl next year. A rematch would be the highest rated super bowl of all time.
Have 2006 schedules been announced yet?Hell...I think pre-season rematch might get some decent ratings :popcorn:

 
First, let me say that I am a Seattle Seahawk fan but, more importantly, I am a fan of the game. I want to share some of my insight about Super Bowl 40. We need to give credit to the Pittsburgh Steelers for their incredible run through the playoffs, winning on the road against the #1, #2 and #3 seeds from the tough AFC.  :thumbup:   Their win against the Indianapolis Colts on the road was a testament to the greatness of their football team and their franchise. They won despite two very poor calls by the referee's that seemed to turn the momentum to the Colts. These two calls wreaked  :rolleyes:   of favoritism towards the home team and if it wasn't for a great shoe string tackle by Mr. Roethlisberger we could have been a part of one of the most unfair outcomes of a big game in NFL history.

Now to the Super Bowl. Let's be clear about one thing the Seahawks did not have 1, 2 or 3 bad calls go against them, they had as I counted them, 8 bad calls go against them. While not all these calls determined the outcome of the game, almost all of them changed the momentum and at times took points off the board as well as gave points or added yards to Pittsburgh.

#1- The D-Jax PI. This call should not have been made and was made only because the referee was influenced by Chris Hope's reaction to what he thought was a push off. While the replayed showed that D-Jax extended his arm towards Mr. Hopes chest he did not gain leverage or seperation because of the extension of his arm. For there to be interference the receiver has to gain seperation due to his actions. Clearly, that didn't happen. Mr. Hope reacted towards the official because he got beat, clear and simple. The official took at least 1.5-2.0 seconds before he reached for the flag.   :rolleyes:

#2- The Roethlisberger TD. While this was a close play I never saw the nose of the ball touch or get to the goal line. This was 3rd down so we don't know if Pittsburgh would have scored on 4th down? To be honest I'm not as upset at this call as most are around the country.

#3- Sean Locklear holding penalty on the pass to Jerramy Stevens to the Pittsburgh 1- yard line. This holding call was questionable, at best. All the analysts agreed that it was a poor call.  :hot: Seattle would have had the ball at the 1-yard line with the #1 touchdown back in the backfield and the Seattle offensive line dominating Pittsburghs line all day. TD Seahawks.

#4- Nobody's talking about the Joey Porter horse collar tackle on Shaun Alexanders 15 yard run in the 3rd quarter. This was an obvious penalty and one that the officials were suppose to be looking for because of the recent injuries caused by this type of tackle. Porter clearly pulled SA down by grabbing on to the back of Alexanders shoulder pads. 15 additional yards and added momentum, lost.

#5- Hasselbecks penalty for "blocking"? below the waist as he made the tackle on Ike Taylor after his interception. How do you get a penalty for blocking when your opponent has the ball? Watch the play .... Hasselbeck makes a great tackle and that's all. I still can't figure out why the referee :nerd:   made the call that he did? Horrible call. Added yards for Pittsburgh and added momentum.

#6- On the next series when Randle El throws the beautiful pass to Hines Ward for the TD Roethlisberger, behind the line of scrimmage, blocks a Seahawk clearly below the waist to assist Randle El in having more time to throw the TD pass. Watch the replay .... this was clearly, by definition, a block below the waist and should have been called to negate the TD. For this to happen 3 plays after the Hasselbeck call and to not call it on Roethlisberger?  :confused:

#7- I believe it was on the play that Hasselbeck through the PI, the Pittsburgh linebacker on the left side was offsides by at least 1 yard before the snap was made. You could see it clear as day live and especially on the replay. This offsides would have taken away the PI and gave Seattle the ball back in scoring position.

#8- In the 4th Quarter when Pittsburgh had the ball I was watching the time clock run down as Roethlisberger was ready to take the snap from center the clock reached ZERO then Roethlisberger looked back to the referee behind him and called timeout. The time clock was at 0 at least 1 second before the time out was asked for by Big Ben and the ref gave it to him? The analysts on ABC only explanation was that the referee can't watch the clock and the QB at the same time? WTF? If that's the case then go to the replay and get the call right.

These were all BAD calls. Did they change the outcome of the game? Maybe, maybe not. Did these calls change the momentum away from Seattle? Definately.

I believe these calls changed not only the momentum and possibly the outcome of the game but more importantly it ruined the game for the sports fan. The Pittsburgh fans want to call us Seahawk fans whiny little babies but if these calls would have been called on their team do we really think they would have been quiet on these message boards and proclaimed the Seahawks as the better team? I think not. The stats don't lie. From the opening series the Seahawks dictated the tempo and moved the ball pretty much the entire ball game against what was suppose to be a great defense. The Seattle defense, in my opinion was the better defense on the field also. They gave up two big plays. A gadget play that they should have been prepared for and a 75 yard run that was caused by a 3rd string Safety taking an improper angle on Willie Parker (And yes, he is fast!). Other than those two plays and letting Ben run for a couple of clock-moving runs on 3rd down the Seahawk defense asserted themselves as the better defense. Matt Hasselbeck, in my opinion was the best player on the field and deserved more credit than he got for the game that he played and how he moved the ball on the Pittsburgh defense. What would his stats had looked like had Stevens not dropped the 3 balls he did and D-Jax TD would have been allowed? Wow!

Did Seattle deserve to win? Tough question .... probably not. Their clock management was terrible at the end of each half. I still don't understand why Holmgren didn't attempt a field goal with 53 seconds left and take a chance with a onside kick for a possible game tying TD? D-Jax should have done a better job of catching the ball off his correct shoulder which would have allowed him to keep both feet in bounds at the end zone. And Jerremy Stevens? Talk with your performance. Your performance was terrible. With that said, I thought "the mouth" Joey Porter was a non-factor also and only made one play all day and that was the illegal tackle on SA.

I think every NFL fan should be outraged at the way this game and the Indy-Ptt game was officiated. It smells of boxing and someone needs to be held accountable. I feel sorry for Seahawk fans, players and coaches who have waited 30 years to get this opportunity, only to have it compromised by one horrible call after another.  I feel sorry for the Steeler players, fans and coaches. The Steelers had an incredible post-season run to the Title, probably the best in the history of the NFL and they have to listen to all this crap about the officiating. Wake up Mr. Tagliabue ...... there is a foul smell in the air. You manage the greatest team sport in the world and if you don't bring some change, fast, to the way it's officiated you are not going to like the end result.

Congratulations to The Pittsburgh Steelers. I hope that one day our Seahawk Franchise can match your tradition and your consistency.

'The Professor"
Are these your words? By "the professor" do you mean John Clayton?J
Come on "J" .... You know that theres only one Professor! :yes:
I'd agree. John Clayton is the Professor.Are you saying John Clayton wrote this? I didn't see it on the site. I know he's a Seattle guy but I'd be surprised to see him say this.

J
J ... for the last time.... I am the "real" Professor :blackdot: and No, Mr. Clayton did not write my post for me.
 
#6- On the next series when Randle El throws the beautiful pass to Hines Ward for the TD Roethlisberger, behind the line of scrimmage, blocks a Seahawk clearly below the waist to assist Randle El in having more time to throw the TD pass. Watch the replay .... this was clearly, by definition, a block below the waist and should have been called to negate the TD. For this to happen 3 plays after the Hasselbeck call and to not call it on Roethlisberger?  :confused:
False -- cut blocks like that are only illegal in the open field. They're perfectly legal behind the line of scrimmage unless there is a second player engaging the defender at the same time (chop block).That said, the Hasselbeck penalty was truly bizarre, to say the least...
You're right. Probably my emotion speaking after the calamity that was the Hasselbeck call.
 
I freely admit the officiating wasn't great. In the end, its still Pittsburgh Steelers 2006 World Champions of the World though.

I'd like to extend a congrats to Seattle for this season and I hope to God both of these teams make it back to the Super Bowl next year. A rematch would be the highest rated super bowl of all time.
You really believe that?
 
I freely admit the officiating wasn't great. In the end, its still Pittsburgh Steelers 2006 World Champions of the World though.

I'd like to extend a congrats to Seattle for this season and I hope to God both of these teams make it back to the Super Bowl next year. A rematch would be the highest rated super bowl of all time.
You really believe that?
I do. With all the talking going on this week, it's sure to draw a lot of interest.
 
I freely admit the officiating wasn't great.  In the end, its still Pittsburgh Steelers 2006 World Champions of the World though.

I'd like to extend a congrats to Seattle for this season and I hope to God both of these teams make it back to the Super Bowl next year.  A rematch would be the highest rated super bowl of all time.
You really believe that?
well, considering this game was the #2 rated all time, I think a rematch that sold the controversy from last year, the revenge angle for Seattle, etc...would push it to #1, yes I do.
 
I'm still bored at work. Since we had a bunch of anti-ref articles posted on here, this one is by Gene Wojciechowksi on ESPN.com today. It's pretty civil, and it's a writer saying exactly what most Steelers fans are saying about the game. Judge it however you want... you probably already have before you read it.

- And finally, can we stuff a very large sani-sock into the mouth of Seattle coach Mike Holmgren, and anyone else who says the refs had it out for the poor, little Seahawks?

The signs are very clever (Refs 21, Seahawks 10 ... or, Pittsburgh's 12th Man: The Refs), but they're bogus. It's how sore losers rationalize a final score. Worse yet, it's crying. And there's no crying in football, unless you're Hines Ward.

I know what you're thinking Cincinnati Bengals, Indianapolis Colts, Denver Broncos and, yes, Seattle Seahawks. You're thinking about the way the Steelers bumbled about in Ford Field, and you're saying to yourselves: "Tell me again how we lost to these guys?''

Think about Sunday's game:

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger freaked out ... The best Pittsburgh pass of the day (and I'm stealing Michael Irvin's line here) was thrown by wide receiver Antwaan Randle El ... The Steelers' inspirational "hero,'' Jerome Bettis, rushed for a grand total of 43 yards and couldn't pound it in when Pittsburgh needed him most ... The Steelers had fewer passing yards, less time of possession, fewer total yards, and more turnovers.

And yet, the Steelers won by 11, covering the spread with ease. Conspiracy theories arrived moments later.

The refs stole it.

The NFL "wanted'' this.

The Seahawks were really the better team.

Look, the game itself was 3 hours and 36 minutes of yawns. I think we can all pretty much agree on that. I loved the story lines, but the game, not so much.

But to simply dismiss the Steelers victory as an act of referee kindness is to take a Bettis-sized leap of faith.

Sorry, but Seahawks receiver Darrell Jackson pushed off in the end zone. Did it gain him an advantage? Maybe. Maybe not. All that matters is that the official standing nearby -- a lot closer than John Madden, you or me -- thought so. Instead of a touchdown, Seattle settled for a 3-0 first quarter lead.

Sorry, but Roethlisberger might have broken the plane of the goal line on his second quarter 1-yard TD dive. Or not. That's what matters, right? Not where he landed, but if the ball broke the plane? The play was reviewed and upheld. What else was anyone supposed to do? And while there are no guarantees, if the ball had been spotted just short of the goal line, the Steelers were 100 percent on fourth-and-goals this season.

Sorry, I truly don't know whether Sean Locklear held Clark Haggans on that key fourth quarter call. Even if he didn't, and it was first-and-goal from the Pittsburgh 1, then what? If you can't guarantee Pittsburgh's scoring on fourth-and-inches in the second quarter, you can't guarantee Seattle's scoring on first-and-goal from the 1. Why? Because funny things happen, like the Bettis fumble against Indy. Or Roethlisberger's underthrowing a wide-open Cedrick Wilson against Seattle, costing the Steelers a sure touchdown or a likely field goal (the ball was at the Seahawks' 7). Instead, Kelly Herndon intercepted the crummy pass, returned it 76 yards and Seattle scored three plays later.

No one can deny there were questionable calls during the game. But before Holmgren and Latte Nation start whining about playing "the guys in the striped shirts as well,'' perhaps a history lesson is in order.

The striped shirts didn't cause tight end Jerramy Stevens to drop four passes. The striped shirts didn't cause the Seahawks defense to give up a Steelers first down on a third-and-28 situation (which later led to the Roethlisberger disputed TD). The striped shirts didn't cause the Seahawks defense to give up the longest touchdown run in Super Bowl history. They also didn't cause Etric Pruitt to sprint up from his safety position, only to be fooled by the trick play that resulted in Randle El's 43-yard TD pass to Ward (and by the way, if everyone knows the Steelers like to run gadget plays near midfield, don't you think the Seahawks knew it too?). Or cause Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck to throw a killer interception with nearly 11 minutes left in the game and Seattle trailing by only four points.

Enough already with the whining. The Seahawks had their chances. Plenty of them to overcome the Steelers and, if they insist, the refs, too.

Holmgren, who didn't exactly distinguish himself in the waning minutes of both halves, is no doubt suffering some post-Super Bowl anger. Perfectly understandable, especially in front of the thousands who greeted the team upon its return to Seattle. But days, weeks, months from now, when he's able to think more clearly, he'll realize the only people to blame for the loss were wearing Seahawks metallic blue, not black and white.

 
I'm convinced, and I expect my sternly worded letter to the commissioner will have that Lombardi trophy on its way to Seattle within the next few business days.

 
#1- The D-Jax PI. This call should not have been made and was made only because the referee was influenced by Chris Hope's reaction to what he thought was a push off. While the replayed showed that D-Jax extended his arm towards Mr. Hopes chest he did not gain leverage or seperation because of the extension of his arm. For there to be interference the receiver has to gain seperation due to his actions. Clearly, that didn't happen. Mr. Hope reacted towards the official because he got beat, clear and simple. The official took at least 1.5-2.0 seconds before he reached for the flag. :rolleyes:
Sometimes referees don't see a penalty and thus don't call it. It is completely illogical to argue that a referee should not call a penalty he sees. I completely disagree that Jackson's pushoff gave him no advantage. It clearly put Hope back on his heels and prevented him for making a play on the ball. The real person to fault here is Jackson, as he probably didn't need the push to score.It was a penalty, period. So this call was correct. 0/1.
#2- The Roethlisberger TD. While this was a close play I never saw the nose of the ball touch or get to the goal line. This was 3rd down so we don't know if Pittsburgh would have scored on 4th down? To be honest I'm not as upset at this call as most are around the country.
I personally felt he scored when I viewed the replays, because I felt that the ball as positioned under his arm broke the plane made by the front of the white end zone line in midair before he was pushed back. That was the call on the field, and there definitely was no compelling evidence to overturn it. So the only possible complaint is that the wrong call was made. How can one argue that on a subjective call that close?I disagree this was a bad call. It was a close, subjective call. That means people may disagree with the referee's take, but it doesn't make it a bad call. 0/2.
#3- Sean Locklear holding penalty on the pass to Jerramy Stevens to the Pittsburgh 1- yard line. This holding call was questionable, at best. All the analysts agreed that it was a poor call. :hot: Seattle would have had the ball at the 1-yard line with the #1 touchdown back in the backfield and the Seattle offensive line dominating Pittsburghs line all day. TD Seahawks.
Again, your viewpoint amounts to expecting the referee to ignore a penalty he saw. This is illogical. The referee saw a penalty and called it. 0/3.
#4- Nobody's talking about the Joey Porter horse collar tackle on Shaun Alexanders 15 yard run in the 3rd quarter. This was an obvious penalty and one that the officials were suppose to be looking for because of the recent injuries caused by this type of tackle. Porter clearly pulled SA down by grabbing on to the back of Alexanders shoulder pads. 15 additional yards and added momentum, lost.
You are wrong. The tackle in question was not a horse collar tackle as defined in the NFL rules. So a non-call was correct. 0/4.
#5- Hasselbecks penalty for "blocking"? below the waist as he made the tackle on Ike Taylor after his interception. How do you get a penalty for blocking when your opponent has the ball? Watch the play .... Hasselbeck makes a great tackle and that's all. I still can't figure out why the referee :nerd: made the call that he did? Horrible call. Added yards for Pittsburgh and added momentum.
This has been thoroughly discussed in other threads. This penalty call was correct per NFL rules. Stupid rule, but correct call. 0/5.
#6- On the next series when Randle El throws the beautiful pass to Hines Ward for the TD Roethlisberger, behind the line of scrimmage, blocks a Seahawk clearly below the waist to assist Randle El in having more time to throw the TD pass. Watch the replay .... this was clearly, by definition, a block below the waist and should have been called to negate the TD. For this to happen 3 plays after the Hasselbeck call and to not call it on Roethlisberger? :confused:
As others have pointed out, Roethlisberger's block was legal per NFL rules. You aren't showing a command of the NFL rule book here. 0/6.
#7- I believe it was on the play that Hasselbeck through the PI, the Pittsburgh linebacker on the left side was offsides by at least 1 yard before the snap was made. You could see it clear as day live and especially on the replay. This offsides would have taken away the PI and gave Seattle the ball back in scoring position.
I don't know for sure about this one, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. 1/7.
#8- In the 4th Quarter when Pittsburgh had the ball I was watching the time clock run down as Roethlisberger was ready to take the snap from center the clock reached ZERO then Roethlisberger looked back to the referee behind him and called timeout. The time clock was at 0 at least 1 second before the time out was asked for by Big Ben and the ref gave it to him? The analysts on ABC only explanation was that the referee can't watch the clock and the QB at the same time? WTF? If that's the case then go to the replay and get the call right.
I thought this was close enough that if it wasn't the Super Bowl and if there weren't other calls being debated, this would have gotten no airplay. It amounts to looking for more things to pile on with. Even if it was a missed call, that leaves you at 2/8.
Let's be clear about one thing the Seahawks did not have 1, 2 or 3 bad calls go against them, they had as I counted them, 8 bad calls go against them...
From your list, there were 2 missed calls and no bad calls. On the other side were candidate bad/missed calls including the Stevens fumble, which was ruled incomplete, the block in the back on Roethlisberger during the interception return, and possible missed holding calls. It was a wash, and I'd venture to say that is about average for an NFL game, or maybe even below average.If you're going to continue ranting about this, at least try to get the rules right.
 
Pittsburghs offensive stats are obviously what they are because of two BIG plays. Watch the game again son and tell me what team moved the ball and what defense played better. I never said that Pittsburgh didn't deserve to win. I do like your stat about Pittsburgh not missing a field goal! Looks like desperation to me! :hey:
What the heck are you talking about? A 75 TD run doesn't qualify as moving the ball? I have rewatched the game Dad and I agree with you that Seattle moved the ball better in the first half. At halftime the score was 7-3 so the Hawks were very much in the game. Now take a look at the second half stats and drive chart and you will see the Steelers moved the ball as well as Seattle AND made the big plays that resulted in TDs.

What really hurt the Steelers is the Roethlisberger interception. At that point the Steelers were up 14-3 and had driven 53 yards to the Seattle 7 yard line. If Roethlisberger puts even a little air on his pass to a wide open Cedrick Wilson, the Steelers are up 21-3 with 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and the game is probably put out of reach.

But Seattle defense made the play, intercepted it and it led to their 20-yard TD drive. Now the score is 14-10 with almost 20 minutes left to play. So what did Seattle do on their 4 remaining possessions? Punt, Int, Punt, Downs.

Yep, it was the refs fault the Seahawks lost. Talk about desperation. :rolleyes:

 
At halftime the score was 7-3 so the Hawks were very much in the game. Now take a look at the second half stats and drive chart and you will see the Steelers moved the ball as well as Seattle AND made the big plays that resulted in TDs.

What really hurt the Steelers is the Roethlisberger interception. At that point the Steelers were up 14-3 and had driven 53 yards to the Seattle 7 yard line. If Roethlisberger puts even a little air on his pass to a wide open Cedrick Wilson, the Steelers are up 21-3 with 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and the game is probably put out of reach.

But Seattle defense made the play, intercepted it and it led to their 20-yard TD drive. Now the score is 14-10 with almost 20 minutes left to play. So what did Seattle do on their 4 remaining possessions? Punt, Int, Punt, Downs.

Yep, it was the refs fault the Seahawks lost. Talk about desperation. :rolleyes:
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These threads suck.

Both sides need to just move on with their lives.  It's a freakin' football game.  Seriously.

The ONLY way this would be the huge deal you guys are making it out to be is if the refs actually *fixed* the game...which would NEVER happen.

Why do you guys insist on running each other into the ground over and over again...and then again and again...over something you won't be able to change, and something, which in the long run...*doesn't matter at all*?
:goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting: I didn't make a dime from the Steelers winning and I didn't lose a dime from the Seahawks losing.

Are the Steeler fans smarter, cooler, or generally better because a group of people who supposedly represent their favorite team (and who will bolt at the first chance for a bigger contract) happened to win a game?

Are the Seahawk fans dumber, lamer, or generally less than human because a group of people who supposedly represent their favorite team (and who will bolt at the first chance for a bigger contract) happened to lose a game?

If you think you are somehow special because your team won a championship this year, then show up at the next training camp of that team and see how much love you get from these "heros" whom you worship so much. If you can't feel fulfilled without your championship, you won't feel fulfilled with it.

And if you're looking for evidence of classlessness then take every Steeler homer who has accused the Hawk fans of sour grapes (ignoring that they would react exactly the same way in the same situation) and every Seahawk fan claiming that the NFL fixed the game.

It isn't your team. Some guy with a lot of money who doesn't give a crap about you owns it and will reap the benefits from your devotion and willingness to buy merchandise and tickets at whatever exhorbanant cost he charges. The team doesn't care about you. You are not on the team. Unless you wagered on the game you will not profit from this game. And you will still have to go to work and face all the good and bad aspects of your life that were there before the game.

Keys hit the nail on the head. It doesn't really matter and I, above all others have been guilty of precipitating the fenzy associated with this debacle.

Thanks for the reminder that I need to focus on what really counts. My family and friends.

 
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At halftime the score was 7-3 so the Hawks were very much in the game.  Now take a look at the second half stats and drive chart and you will see the Steelers moved the ball as well as Seattle AND made the big plays that resulted in TDs.

What really hurt the Steelers is the Roethlisberger interception.  At that point the Steelers were up 14-3 and had driven 53 yards to the Seattle 7 yard line.  If Roethlisberger puts even a little air on his pass to a wide open Cedrick Wilson, the Steelers are up 21-3 with 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and the game is probably put out of reach.

But Seattle defense made the play, intercepted it and it led to their 20-yard TD drive.  Now the score is 14-10 with almost 20 minutes left to play.  So what did Seattle do on their 4 remaining possessions?  Punt, Int, Punt, Downs.

Yep, it was the refs fault the Seahawks lost.  Talk about desperation.  :rolleyes:
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:boxing: BAM! :towelwave:

 
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