Convince me that Frank Gore is a 1st round pick (1 Viewer)

[TS Garp]

Gore seems like one of those guys who owners are automatically marking down as a first round pick without really thinking twice, but I'm having a hard time getting too excited about him.

First, let's look at the situation around him:

The good:

* The Niners would like the offense to revolve around a power running game led by Gore.

* They brought back Moran Norris,the fullback who blocked for him in his magical 2006 season.

* They signed Marvel Smith -- risky move, but could pay off.

* The Niners play Detroit in Week 16.

The bad:

* Before the draft, the Niners talked about the need for a back to complement Gore and they drafted Glenn Coffee, who could steal some carries and see 10-12 touches a game.

* The QB situation remains very unsettled.

* The WR corps should be improved with the addition of Crabtree, but it's still shaky.

* They didn't address the offensive line in the draft.

On to Gore himself:

The good:

* Three 1,000 yard seasons in a row.

* Just turned 26 and should be entering his prime.

* Only two years removed from a season of 2,000+ combined yards.

The bad:

* 2006 is looking like it could be an outlier.

* Has never scored 10 td's in a season.

* Isn't as injury prone as some think but does tend to get dinged up.

* Had 8 games with more than 120 rushing yards in 2006 -- had one in 2007 and one in 2008.

Conclusion:

There's a lot to like about Gore, but I just wonder if people are chasing his 2006 numbers when they rate him. I don't see him falling off a cliff by any stretch, but I also wouldn't be shocked if his values ended up being that of a solid RB2 rather than a RB1 this year. I like him in the second round, which I realize means that I won't own him. I just wonder if his stats will be meaningfully better than guys like Ronnie Brown, Barber, Pierre Thomas, and Moreno, all of whom will be there in the 2nd, whereas you likely need to grab Gore somewhere between the 6th and 10th pick in the first if you want him.

All of this said, now that I've written this, he'll likely go off for 2,000+ and 15 td's this year.

Thoughts?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

in non-ppr leagues he's just another runner IMO.

Solid yet unspectacular.

To me the negatives out weight the positives with him.

Revolving door at OC, they are on #3 in 3 years.

Unsettled QB situation, not enough here to keep Defense's honest IMO.

Take at a value in round2, not in round1.

 

[Ray_T]

Gore seems like one of those guys who owners are automatically marking down as a first round pick without really thinking twice, but I'm having a hard time getting too excited about him. First, let's look at the situation around him:The good:* The Niners would like the offense to revolve around a power running game led by Gore.* They brought back Moran Norris,the fullback who blocked for him in his magical 2006 season.* They signed Marvel Smith -- risky move, but could pay off.* The Niners play Detroit in Week 16.The bad:* Before the draft, the Niners talked about the need for a back to complement Gore and they drafted Glenn Coffee, who could steal some carries and see 10-12 touches a game.* The QB situation remains very unsettled.* The WR corps should be improved with the addition of Crabtree, but it's still shaky.* They didn't address the offensive line in the draft.On to Gore himself:The good:* Three 1,000 yard seasons in a row.* Just turned 26 and should be entering his prime.* Only two years removed from a season of 2,000+ combined yards.The bad:* 2006 is looking like it could be an outlier.* Has never scored 10 td's in a season.* Isn't as injury prone as some think but does tend to get dinged up.* Had 8 games with more than 120 rushing yards in 2006 -- had one in 2007 and one in 2008.Conclusion:There's a lot to like about Gore, but I just wonder if people are chasing his 2006 numbers when they rate him. I don't see him falling off a cliff by any stretch, but I also wouldn't be shocked if his values ended up being that of a solid RB2 rather than a RB1 this year. I like him in the second round, which I realize means that I won't own him. I just wonder if his stats will be meaningfully better than guys like Ronnie Brown, Barber, Pierre Thomas, and Moreno, all of whom will be there in the 2nd, whereas you likely need to grab Gore somewhere between the 6th and 10th pick in the first if you want him.All of this said, now that I've written this, he'll likely go off for 2,000+ and 15 td's this year.Thoughts?

The only real questions I have about Gore is regarding his health. I like what he brings to the table otherwise.I agree the QB situation is a concern, but my feeling is that this is a team on the rise regarless of who the QB is at this time.If Crabtree becomes a difference maker this year, I think the team will be fine. the only concern is that some WR's take a couple of years to come around in terms of production so this may be a bit of a down year for Gore. (although probably no worse than last season)In a redraft league I'd say he's a late first or early 2nd round pick. In a keeper league he is unquestionably a first round pick due to his age & potential.

 

[Zoomanji]

That's easy.

Name 11 guys guys you would take before him.

 

[TS Garp]

That's easy.Name 11 guys guys you would take before him.

ADPMJDSteven JacksonDeAngelo WilliamsTurnerLTForteJacobsSteve SlatonChris JohnsonPortisMossFitzgeraldI'd also seriously consider AJ and Calvin Johnson over him. The bottom line is that, again, I feel like you can pick up Ronnie Brown, Moreno, Grant, Barber, or Pierre Thomas in the 2nd (or even early 3rd) and get pretty similar value to Gore.Edited to add Michael Turner -- thanks millertyme1.

 

[Matt Waldman]

Gore seems like one of those guys who owners are automatically marking down as a first round pick without really thinking twice, but I'm having a hard time getting too excited about him.

First, let's look at the situation around him:

The good:

* The Niners would like the offense to revolve around a power running game led by Gore.Which he didn't have under Martz. Gore has great vision and giving him more time to use it rather than quick-hitting plays designed for guys with less creativity or a great line.

* They brought back Moran Norris,the fullback who blocked for him in his magical 2006 season.Nothing magical about the season. This is really how Gore should be used.

* They signed Marvel Smith -- risky move, but could pay off.Likely an upgrade, but I understand some of the trepidation.

* The Niners play Detroit in Week 16.Joy

The bad:

* Before the draft, the Niners talked about the need for a back to complement Gore and they drafted Glenn Coffee, who could steal some carries and see 10-12 touches a game. I thought Coffee was too narrow hipped to generate good power and to me he's nothing more than a back up that will do things the right away but never threaten Gore's status on the depth chart. I think if Coffee gets 10-12 touches in a game it is only for three reasons: Gore is hurt, Gore got over 20 carries in the game and needed intermittent breathers, or the Niners are way ahead. Coffee, IMO was more a product of his o-line. We'll see if that praise in camp translates to praise in scrimmages and the preseason.

* The QB situation remains very unsettled.It hasn't been settled since Jeff Garcia was starting and did it really hurt Gore in the magical season you mention?

* The WR corps should be improved with the addition of Crabtree, but it's still shaky.See above

* They didn't address the offensive line in the draft.True, but they weren't that great when Gore went off in his second year.

On to Gore himself:

The good:

* Three 1,000 yard seasons in a row.Speaks for itself.

* Just turned 26 and should be entering his prime.Healthy, run-friendly offense, will to win and compete, what's not to like?

* Only two years removed from a season of 2,000+ combined yards.

The bad:

* 2006 is looking like it could be an outlier. Really? How can you say that if the offensive schemes were different. You're not comparing apples to apples.

* Has never scored 10 td's in a season.True, nobody is perfect.

* Isn't as injury prone as some think but does tend to get dinged up.True, but still seems to perform well.

* Had 8 games with more than 120 rushing yards in 2006 -- had one in 2007 and one in 2008. Just a product of everything brought up above

Conclusion:

There's a lot to like about Gore, but I just wonder if people are chasing his 2006 numbers when they rate him. I don't see him falling off a cliff by any stretch, but I also wouldn't be shocked if his values ended up being that of a solid RB2 rather than a RB1 this year. I like him in the second round, which I realize means that I won't own him. I just wonder if his stats will be meaningfully better than guys like Ronnie Brown, Barber, Pierre Thomas, and Moreno, all of whom will be there in the 2nd, whereas you likely need to grab Gore somewhere between the 6th and 10th pick in the first if you want him.Brown? No. Barber? Yes. Thomas. Yes. Moreno? Maybe

All of this said, now that I've written this, he'll likely go off for 2,000+ and 15 td's this year.

Thoughts?

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

He was a 2nd round pick last year but that sold him short. He was great until he started playing injured (?) in the last month of the season. If he can play at the same level he did through most of 2008 he is well worth a 1st round slot. And I don't see a glaring reason why he can't do it. Maybe you prefer other guys, but Gore is one of few who you've seen put up the major numbers in at least one season.

 

[millertyme1]

That's easy.Name 11 guys guys you would take before him.

ADPMJDSteven JacksonDeAngelo WilliamsLTForteJacobsSteve SlatonChris JohnsonPortisMossFitzgeraldI'd also seriously consider AJ and Calvin Johnson over him. The bottom line is that, again, I feel like you can pick up Ronnie Brown, Moreno, Grant, Barber, or Pierre Thomas in the 2nd (or even early 3rd) and get pretty similar value to Gore.

I'd take AJ and Calvin over him. And definitely Turner as well. I don't/won't ever own him.

 

[TS Garp]

That's easy.Name 11 guys guys you would take before him.

ADPMJDSteven JacksonDeAngelo WilliamsLTForteJacobsSteve SlatonChris JohnsonPortisMossFitzgeraldI'd also seriously consider AJ and Calvin Johnson over him. The bottom line is that, again, I feel like you can pick up Ronnie Brown, Moreno, Grant, Barber, or Pierre Thomas in the 2nd (or even early 3rd) and get pretty similar value to Gore.

I'd take AJ and Calvin over him. And definitely Turner as well. I don't/won't ever own him.

Yikes...I forgot Turner! On my way to edit post...

 

[TS Garp]

* 2006 is looking like it could be an outlier. Really? How can you say that if the offensive schemes were different. You're not comparing apples to apples.

* Had 8 games with more than 120 rushing yards in 2006 -- had one in 2007 and one in 2008. Just a product of everything brought up above

I don't think you can just completely write off 2007 & 2008 because the schemes were different. We have to factor them in, as they're part of the data, and the one constant was Gore. I never understand when people say you can't count this because of the coaching, or that because of injuries, etc. Not saying that's exactly what you're doing, but I think it's fair to say that at this point, 2006 looks like an outlier. Also, don't forget that when Martz took over, a lot of people were talking about the fact that he hadn't had a great RB to work with since Faulk, and Gore would do similar things to Faulk and they'd find all sorts of ways to get him the ball, etc. I agree that this is certainly a friendlier scheme for Gore, and I think he'll have a fine season, but I'm not convinced that he should be a first round pick or that he'll be appreciably better than the guys I mentioned above, or then he was in 2007 and 2008.

 

[mdog1967]

That's easy.Name 11 guys guys you would take before him.

ADPMJDSteven JacksonDeAngelo WilliamsLTForteJacobsSteve SlatonChris JohnsonPortisMossFitzgeraldI'd also seriously consider AJ and Calvin Johnson over him. The bottom line is that, again, I feel like you can pick up Ronnie Brown, Moreno, Grant, Barber, or Pierre Thomas in the 2nd (or even early 3rd) and get pretty similar value to Gore.

I'd take AJ and Calvin over him. And definitely Turner as well. I don't/won't ever own him.

Thats ridiculous, Turner maybe but AJ and Calvin. Gore is the hardest running back in the NFL. Put him in Minnesota and he is the Number one back in any format. The only reason to put him out of the top ten, and if your in a ten team league then your pretty much little league is because of the supporting cast in SF. There is no other back as tough or stout as Gore. He may not be a sexy pick but you cant go wrong with him. Hell show up and give it everything he has. My favorite running back by far in the NFL today, a throwback to when NFL players where not all a bunch of media queens.

 

[duece2626]

LOL @ Gore not being a 1st round pick, in any size league.

 

[JGalligan]

Stephen Jackson only had 1 more FP last year than Frank Gore did. Why are you giving him a free pass as a first-round pick when he's had more injury problems than Gore has?

I'm not saying the dude is a mortal lock to be taken in the first, but if you're considering SJax, then why no love for Frankie Gore?

Did Mike Singletary suddenly become a non-smashmouth coach overnight? Is he not going to pound the rock and probably LOVES Frank Gore for his style of play, heart and toughness. Also, it would seem to me that Singletary would have to see some heavy, HEAVY, talent from Coffee to that would cause him to give the rookie any carries that cut into Gore's touches.

And from what I've seen from Coffee, that ain't happenin.

 

[iSnitch]

The only real questions I have about Gore is regarding his health. I like what he brings to the table otherwise.

Frank Gore has missed three games in three years. People who worry about his health more than they should about ANY rb just haven't paid attention to this guy's durability.

 

[iSnitch]

Stephen Jackson only had 1 more FP last year than Frank Gore did. Why are you giving him a free pass as a first-round pick when he's had more injury problems than Gore has?I'm not saying the dude is a mortal lock to be taken in the first, but if you're considering SJax, then why no love for Frankie Gore?Did Mike Singletary suddenly become a non-smashmouth coach overnight? Is he not going to pound the rock and probably LOVES Frank Gore for his style of play, heart and toughness. Also, it would seem to me that Singletary would have to see some heavy, HEAVY, talent from Coffee to that would cause him to give the rookie any carries that cut into Gore's touches.And from what I've seen from Coffee, that ain't happenin.

I'm a big time Niners fan but SJax was a top three fantasy option when he played...Frank Gore is an incredible talent but he's not at SJax's level when it comes to fantasy performances.

 

[JGalligan]

Stephen Jackson only had 1 more FP last year than Frank Gore did. Why are you giving him a free pass as a first-round pick when he's had more injury problems than Gore has?I'm not saying the dude is a mortal lock to be taken in the first, but if you're considering SJax, then why no love for Frankie Gore?Did Mike Singletary suddenly become a non-smashmouth coach overnight? Is he not going to pound the rock and probably LOVES Frank Gore for his style of play, heart and toughness. Also, it would seem to me that Singletary would have to see some heavy, HEAVY, talent from Coffee to that would cause him to give the rookie any carries that cut into Gore's touches.And from what I've seen from Coffee, that ain't happenin.

I'm a big time Niners fan but SJax was a top three fantasy option when he played...Frank Gore is an incredible talent but he's not at SJax's level when it comes to fantasy performances.

Aren't we talking about this upcoming year?

 

[benbadman]

Frank Gore == value RB1 and great as a RB2 in round 2 early.

Last year, I was in some leagues where he was a 2nd rounder!!! Granted he finished around RB14 in non-ppr, but thats with 2 games missed and he was a monster 7 of the first 8 weeks.

 

[JGalligan]

Looking at all sorts of projections for the two from a multitude of different resources, Gore is within striking distance and only about 20ish FP away from SJax.

They're both in similar situations with a shaky QB situation, solid offensive lines and a coaching staff who has no problem with pounding it with them time after time. SJax may have been out of Gore's league a couple years back, but I just don't see that this year with practically mirror images of one another's situation.

 

[MAC_32]

Why? If you don't think he is then don't rank him there. Personally, I have him above the committee guys DeAng, Johnson, Slaton, and Jacobs (tough call here in non ppr) and all of the WR's (it'd be different in ppr) but also have Ronnie Brown ahead of him.

If you don't think he's a 1st rounder then don't rank him there, I think he's a great option for those drafting late in round 1 to team up with either another under valued feature RB like Westbrook, Portis, or Brown or one of the stud WR's.

It's ok to be different, following the herd ensures you being average but little more.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

My reasons for liking Gore include Mike Singletary getting the team in the right direction and the bad division. I think the 49ers have a great shot to win the division (I guess all those teams do) and Gore will be a big part of the offense.

I play in PPRs so I don't care much for Turner, and I think D. Williams won't get a chance to approach last year's numbers. I don't see anyone taking much time away from Gore.

 

[FGITLOTR]

I'm in a dynasty league and drafted Gore last season, but now must decide if I'm going to: a) put him back in pot b) sign him for one year c) sign him for two years. I love the guy and don't know how anyone can dispute drafting him at the end of the first round.

 

[Matt Waldman]

* 2006 is looking like it could be an outlier. Really? How can you say that if the offensive schemes were different. You're not comparing apples to apples.

* Had 8 games with more than 120 rushing yards in 2006 -- had one in 2007 and one in 2008. Just a product of everything brought up above

I don't think you can just completely write off 2007 & 2008 because the schemes were different. We have to factor them in, as they're part of the data, and the one constant was Gore. I never understand when people say you can't count this because of the coaching, or that because of injuries, etc. Not saying that's exactly what you're doing, but I think it's fair to say that at this point, 2006 looks like an outlier. Also, don't forget that when Martz took over, a lot of people were talking about the fact that he hadn't had a great RB to work with since Faulk, and Gore would do similar things to Faulk and they'd find all sorts of ways to get him the ball, etc. I agree that this is certainly a friendlier scheme for Gore, and I think he'll have a fine season, but I'm not convinced that he should be a first round pick or that he'll be appreciably better than the guys I mentioned above, or then he was in 2007 and 2008.

Coaching and injuries? Maybe not, but when 11 other guys are taking a completely different approach to set up what that one player is going to do, I think it's a significant factor why a player succeeds or fails. Look at Shaun Alexander's performance in a gap-style blocking offense (MVP) and they veered away from that style of running (struggled and eventually cut. I guess my question to you would be how exactly do you use the data or not completely write it off? How do you specifically show it to be an outlier? My argument is that it may look like an outlier because if you just look at the end result (fantasypoints-yards) it looks that way. But if you look specifically at the type of offense they used with Gore, the differences were significant in terms of scheme, use of FB, presence absence of a TE. blocking style, number of yards Gore was away from the LOS, down and distance situation as a result of the schemes, practice and execution of the few power plays in this pass-oriented offense compared to the practice and execution of these plays when they were staples of the attack in 2006. See where I'm heading? I'm just curious how you look at it to be an outlier, because I'm truly unaware of how to start.

 

[TS Garp]

* 2006 is looking like it could be an outlier. Really? How can you say that if the offensive schemes were different. You're not comparing apples to apples.

* Had 8 games with more than 120 rushing yards in 2006 -- had one in 2007 and one in 2008. Just a product of everything brought up above

I don't think you can just completely write off 2007 & 2008 because the schemes were different. We have to factor them in, as they're part of the data, and the one constant was Gore. I never understand when people say you can't count this because of the coaching, or that because of injuries, etc. Not saying that's exactly what you're doing, but I think it's fair to say that at this point, 2006 looks like an outlier. Also, don't forget that when Martz took over, a lot of people were talking about the fact that he hadn't had a great RB to work with since Faulk, and Gore would do similar things to Faulk and they'd find all sorts of ways to get him the ball, etc. I agree that this is certainly a friendlier scheme for Gore, and I think he'll have a fine season, but I'm not convinced that he should be a first round pick or that he'll be appreciably better than the guys I mentioned above, or then he was in 2007 and 2008.

Coaching and injuries? Maybe not, but when 11 other guys are taking a completely different approach to set up what that one player is going to do, I think it's a significant factor why a player succeeds or fails. Look at Shaun Alexander's performance in a gap-style blocking offense (MVP) and they veered away from that style of running (struggled and eventually cut. I guess my question to you would be how exactly do you use the data or not completely write it off? How do you specifically show it to be an outlier? My argument is that it may look like an outlier because if you just look at the end result (fantasypoints-yards) it looks that way. But if you look specifically at the type of offense they used with Gore, the differences were significant in terms of scheme, use of FB, presence absence of a TE. blocking style, number of yards Gore was away from the LOS, down and distance situation as a result of the schemes, practice and execution of the few power plays in this pass-oriented offense compared to the practice and execution of these plays when they were staples of the attack in 2006. See where I'm heading? I'm just curious how you look at it to be an outlier, because I'm truly unaware of how to start.

See, for me, I don't understand how you could look at his numbers and not see 2006 as an outlier. It's not just the yards, it's the YPC. I understand the schemes were different, but it can't all be pinned on Martz, either, as they had a different OC in 2007. I just think that there are always going to be a ton of variables, and you just can't get into picking apart guy's stats and not counting certain years because of outside factors. If we did that for everyone, we'd be throwing out a lot of numbers for a lot of players. At the end of the day, all we can look at are the final numbers, and we have two years in a row that are very similar (and still very good, mind you...just not first-round worthy) and one that looks like an anomaly at this point. The elite players seem to succeed despite different schemes, injuries on their team, supporting cast, etc.

 

[Matt Waldman]

It's a good point, but I remember Marshall Faulk started his career gangbusters then wasn't so good. He had some injury issues that he played through (like Gore) and was criticized for him disparaging his o-line play in the media before the Colts drafted Manning. He was a good soldier that year and had a strong season statistically. Then he went to the Rams and blew up behind a very good o-line and great receivers.

For me, I find it difficult not to look at how the team decides they are going to run the football doesn't impact the player. Especially if Gore was still a top 15 back when the team wasn't running a scheme that maximized his skills. That to me screams that he's a top-10 back when the team decides to use him as such.

At the same time, I don't think Gore is a top-five player unless he's in a great offense or behind a great line. Faulk wasn't until he was a Ram. I'm not sure Peterson would be a lock if not for that great line behind him. Alexander wasn't. Neither was James. Would Tomlinson? He wasn't when he first arrived in SD. Eventually as they built their line, he went from Gore-like numbers of 2007 to LT like numbers that we came to revere. Emmitt Smith? Great o-line. O.J. Simpson? The electric company. John Riggins?

The only player two runners I remember who played on sub par lines and produced amazing numbers were Walter Payton and Gale Sayers. Even Earl Campbell had a decent line.

I guess you can look at all the numbers and downplay guys because you are basing it off what they've done in the past. However, I'd prefer to look at certain players, not all players, but certain players like Gore, who have shown the skill to produce at a higher rate and see if there's something happening in the present that might impact the future.

Otherwise, I'd just condemn players to perform like they did from the previous year. We know that doesn't happened, especially with the huge turnover of RBs in the top 12 every year.

 

[barista]

I chase him down in any PPR league but considering SF went passing-bananas, playing from behind so often, Gore's rushing numbers were lower than they could be. It's a floor assumption. 9ers played LOTS of games from behind last year. This year maybe a few less... Gore's rushing numbers go up a few.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

That's easy.

Name 11 guys guys you would take before him.

ADPMJD

Steven Jackson

DeAngelo Williams

Turner

LT

Forte

Jacobs

Steve Slaton

Chris Johnson

Portis

Moss

Fitzgerald

I'd also seriously consider AJ and Calvin Johnson over him. The bottom line is that, again, I feel like you can pick up Ronnie Brown, Moreno, Grant, Barber, or Pierre Thomas in the 2nd (or even early 3rd) and get pretty similar value to Gore.

Edited to add Michael Turner -- thanks millertyme1.

First of all i'm tryin to decide if I should destroy the author of this thread or give him advice, hmmmmm.....I'll do both----

You say you need convincing, so your telling all the world that you cant decide how to run or draft your team yourself that you need advice!

The fact that you need convincing of (when healthy) a solid runner is crazy!

ATT Yrds TD Fum Rec Yrds TD's

2008 240 1036 6 ... 3 ... 43 373 2

2007 260 1102 5 ... 3 ... 53 436 1

2006 313 1695 8 ... 6 ... 61 485 1

2005 128 613 3 ... 2 ... 15 131 0

What is the key to fantasy wins, OPPORTUNITY!

He has first round capability, potential, and the carries! Not to mention the downhill between the tackle ability that Sings loves.

So you would take Slaton...who is a Texan mind you that played only one year, and Portis whos wheels WIIIILLLLLLL fall off every year, his track record proves it.....over Gore?

If its a PPR, to be honest I'll also take him over Jacobs, LT, Moss, MJD (for some reason everyone love the guy who has never took the bulk of the carries yet ends up with a bumb leg every yea) and DWill.....

Plus Sings came out and publicly said he is gonna be a run heavy team!

So u can be like the peeps in my league and let him fall to #25, I'm sure anyone will be happy with him!

P.S......If your draftin the guys in the bolded line in the 2nd, PLEASE JOIN ALLLLLLLLLLL OF MY LEAGUES!!!!

Grant, Thomas (I CANT BELIEVE A PERSON WHO PLAYS FANTASY WOULD EVEN CONSIDER TAKING HIM THIS EARLY), and Brown can be had much later!

 

[jurb26]

The only player two runners I remember who played on sub par lines and produced amazing numbers were Walter Payton and Gale Sayers. Even Earl Campbell had a decent line.

Ummm, Barry down?

 

[Biabreakable]

and Portis whos wheels WIIIILLLLLLL fall off every year, his track record proves it.....over Gore?

Come again?

 

[fsufan]

and Portis whos wheels WIIIILLLLLLL fall off every year, his track record proves it.....over Gore?

Come again?

he played in all 16 games in 2008, 2007, 2005 and 2002missed 2 games in 2003missed 1 game in 2004missed 8 games in 2006solid very solid

 

[Gargoylez]

and Portis whos wheels WIIIILLLLLLL fall off every year, his track record proves it.....over Gore?

Come again?

he played in all 16 games in 2008, 2007, 2005 and 2002missed 2 games in 2003missed 1 game in 2004missed 8 games in 2006solid very solid

And take into account the guy is almost always top 5 in carries is pretty impressive, IMO.

 

[Manster]

the fact that we're even discussing Gore maybe not being a 1st rounder means he's gonna have some value this yr, imo.

Gore is easily one of the best natural runners in the NFL. injuries are a concern. but the guy will get tons of touches.

my only question is about the O-line, and this other RB they drafted. i havent paid attention to the niners this off season. homers???

imo, if Gore can avoid major injury he'll be a top 10 FF RB. 1st round performance in the 2nd round if he falls to you.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

and Portis whos wheels WIIIILLLLLLL fall off every year, his track record proves it.....over Gore?

Come again?

he played in all 16 games in 2008, 2007, 2005 and 2002missed 2 games in 2003missed 1 game in 2004missed 8 games in 2006solid very solid

And take into account the guy is almost always top 5 in carries is pretty impressive, IMO.

Then Do me a favor, play him in the playoff weeks of your league!Dies down like this every year, or do u want me to post every season, or look for urself!!!Week-Carries-Yards-TD's1 23 84 0 2 21 96 2 3 21 68 1 4 21 121 0 5 29 145 1 6 21 129 2 7 27 175 1 8 24 126 0 9 13 51 010 Bye 11 15 68 0 12 29 143 0 13 11 22 0 14 11 32 0 15 25 77 0 16 22 70 1 CONCLUSION = WHEELS FELL OFF!!!8 straight weeks with out a TD for ur squad including the bye, Yeah I'll take him before Gore at with Portis now being 1 year older and 300 more carries to his number after last year!Look at what matters, if you were makin a playoff run he would of been a great option......NOT!!!I had him last year and benched him for Rhodes and won the title, but what do I know!

 

[fsufan]

and Portis whos wheels WIIIILLLLLLL fall off every year, his track record proves it.....over Gore?

Come again?

he played in all 16 games in 2008, 2007, 2005 and 2002missed 2 games in 2003missed 1 game in 2004missed 8 games in 2006solid very solid

And take into account the guy is almost always top 5 in carries is pretty impressive, IMO.

Then Do me a favor, play him in the playoff weeks of your league!Dies down like this every year, or do u want me to post every season, or look for urself!!!1 23 84 0 2 21 96 2 3 21 68 1 4 21 121 0 5 29 145 1 6 21 129 2 7 27 175 1 8 24 126 0 9 13 51 010 Bye 11 15 68 0 12 29 143 0 13 11 22 0 14 11 32 0 15 25 77 0 16 22 70 1 CONCLUSION = WHEELS FELL OFF!!!Look at what matters, if you were makin a playoff run he would of been a great option......NOT!!!I had him last year and benched him for Rhodes and won the title, but what do I know!

but the first goal is to make the playoffs

 

[JuSt CuZ]

but the first goal is to make the playoffs

U seen my squad, Don't Worry I will!!!!

 

[Biabreakable]

and Portis whos wheels WIIIILLLLLLL fall off every year, his track record proves it.....over Gore?

Come again?

he played in all 16 games in 2008, 2007, 2005 and 2002missed 2 games in 2003missed 1 game in 2004missed 8 games in 2006solid very solid

And take into account the guy is almost always top 5 in carries is pretty impressive, IMO.

Then Do me a favor, play him in the playoff weeks of your league!Dies down like this every year, or do u want me to post every season, or look for urself!!!Week-Carries-Yards-TD's1 23 84 0 2 21 96 2 3 21 68 1 4 21 121 0 5 29 145 1 6 21 129 2 7 27 175 1 8 24 126 0 9 13 51 010 Bye 11 15 68 0 12 29 143 0 13 11 22 0 14 11 32 0 15 25 77 0 16 22 70 1 CONCLUSION = WHEELS FELL OFF!!!8 straight weeks with out a TD for ur squad including the bye, Yeah I'll take him before Gore at with Portis now being 1 year older and 300 more carries to his number after last year!Look at what matters, if you were makin a playoff run he would of been a great option......NOT!!!I had him last year and benched him for Rhodes and won the title, but what do I know!

Frank Gore 2008:1 09/07 ARI L 13-23 1 1 14 96 6.9 41T 1 4 55 13.8 22 0 1 0 2 09/14 @ SEA W 33-30 1 1 19 61 3.2 23 1 5 38 7.6 17 0 1 1 3 09/21 DET W 31-13 1 1 27 130 4.8 33 1 4 32 8.0 11 0 -- -- 4 09/28 @ NO L 17-31 1 1 16 82 5.1 11 0 2 31 15.5 24 0 -- -- 5 10/05 NE L 21-30 1 1 12 54 4.5 16 0 4 24 6.0 16T 1 -- -- 6 10/12 PHI L 26-40 1 1 19 101 5.3 25 1 3 16 5.3 9 0 -- -- 7 10/19 @ NYG L 17-29 1 1 11 11 1.0 5 0 3 50 16.7 26 0 -- -- 8 10/26 SEA L 13-34 1 1 18 94 5.2 29 0 7 65 9.3 24 0 -- -- 9 Bye -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 10 11/10 @ ARI L 24-29 1 1 23 99 4.3 20 0 1 6 6.0 6 0 -- -- 11 11/16 STL W 35-16 1 1 18 106 5.9 37 2 2 8 4.0 8 0 1 1 12 11/23 @ DAL L 22-35 1 1 14 26 1.9 7 0 1 6 6.0 6 0 -- -- 13 11/30 @ BUF W 10-3 1 1 24 66 2.8 12 0 3 23 7.7 9 0 2 1 14 12/07 NYJ W 24-14 1 1 14 52 3.7 12 0 3 13 4.3 6 1 -- -- 15 12/14 @ MIA L 9-14 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 16 12/21 @ STL W 17-16 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 17 12/28 WAS W 27-24 1 1 11 58 5.3 11 0 1 6 6.0 6 0 1 0 Looks like the wheels fell off for him then too.

 

[iSnitch]

That's easy.

Name 11 guys guys you would take before him.

ADPMJD

Steven Jackson

DeAngelo Williams

Turner

LT

Forte

Jacobs

Steve Slaton

Chris Johnson

Portis

Moss

Fitzgerald

I'd also seriously consider AJ and Calvin Johnson over him. The bottom line is that, again, I feel like you can pick up Ronnie Brown, Moreno, Grant, Barber, or Pierre Thomas in the 2nd (or even early 3rd) and get pretty similar value to Gore.

Edited to add Michael Turner -- thanks millertyme1.

First of all i'm tryin to decide if I should destroy the author of this thread or give him advice, hmmmmm.....I'll do both----

You say you need convincing, so your telling all the world that you cant decide how to run or draft your team yourself that you need advice!

The fact that you need convincing of (when healthy) a solid runner is crazy!

ATT Yrds TD Fum Rec Yrds TD's

2008 240 1036 6 ... 3 ... 43 373 2

2007 260 1102 5 ... 3 ... 53 436 1

2006 313 1695 8 ... 6 ... 61 485 1

2005 128 613 3 ... 2 ... 15 131 0

What is the key to fantasy wins, OPPORTUNITY!

He has first round capability, potential, and the carries! Not to mention the downhill between the tackle ability that Sings loves.

So you would take Slaton...who is a Texan mind you that played only one year, and Portis whos wheels WIIIILLLLLLL fall off every year, his track record proves it.....over Gore?

If its a PPR, to be honest I'll also take him over Jacobs, LT, Moss, MJD (for some reason everyone love the guy who has never took the bulk of the carries yet ends up with a bumb leg every yea) and DWill.....

Plus Sings came out and publicly said he is gonna be a run heavy team!

So u can be like the peeps in my league and let him fall to #25, I'm sure anyone will be happy with him!

P.S......If your draftin the guys in the bolded line in the 2nd, PLEASE JOIN ALLLLLLLLLLL OF MY LEAGUES!!!!

Grant, Thomas (I CANT BELIEVE A PERSON WHO PLAYS FANTASY WOULD EVEN CONSIDER TAKING HIM THIS EARLY), and Brown can be had much later!

Your posts always make my head hurt. Stop with the whole OMG JOIN MY LEAGUE!!!11!! N00BS!! LOLZ. People rank players differently - and you know something? Sometimes the ones we laugh at end up winning it all...carry on a discussion without being an obnoxious tool. TIAFYI, Singletary said he wants to be able to run the ball whenever he wants...but that doesn't mean he WILL run the ball every down.

 

[Sweet Love]

I think people need to take a step back when evaluating whether Gore is an injury risk or not. Too often (and in this thread too), people point to games missed as to whether the player is healthy or not. Well, Lav Coles has missed only 4 games in the last 8 YEARS, but only a fool would say he is healthy all the time. Guys like Gore and Coles are constantly banged up, but go out there and play like "warriors" and pull 75 yards in a gutsy effort. They are much more valuable to their NFL team than my fantasy team. Last time I checked, very few FF scoring systems gave points for game winning 3rd down conversions (the specialty of the aforementioned). Would I take Gore in a 12 team redraft in the 1st round? maybe as pick #11 0r 23, but not sooner and I still may not see my value in that pick.

 

[Tanner9919]

The only real questions I have about Gore is regarding his health. I like what he brings to the table otherwise.

Frank Gore has missed three games in three years. People who worry about his health more than they should about ANY rb just haven't paid attention to this guy's durability.

he usually kills the NFC West, so he's worth a high pick just for the 6 games he plays within the div every year!300/1260/7, 4.2 per carry45/390/3I think they'll lean on him quite a bit, to hide their lack of a decent QB..

 

[iSnitch]

I think people need to take a step back when evaluating whether Gore is an injury risk or not. Too often (and in this thread too), people point to games missed as to whether the player is healthy or not. Well, Lav Coles has missed only 4 games in the last 8 YEARS, but only a fool would say he is healthy all the time. Guys like Gore and Coles are constantly banged up, but go out there and play like "warriors" and pull 75 yards in a gutsy effort. They are much more valuable to their NFL team than my fantasy team. Last time I checked, very few FF scoring systems gave points for game winning 3rd down conversions (the specialty of the aforementioned). Would I take Gore in a 12 team redraft in the 1st round? maybe as pick #11 0r 23, but not sooner and I still may not see my value in that pick.

Gore plays a position that requires him to get smashed by 300+ pound guys on a regular basis. What rb doesn't get banged up?If you're going to start avoiding guys that get beat up during a 16 game schedule but don't miss games, then more power to you. I can't think of anyone at this position that is a lock to stay ding free. He's had some good games while playing banged up and he's had some lousy games while playing banged up. He's had some good games while playing healthy and he's had some lousy games while playing healthy.

Every single rb in the league is an injury risk - it's just the nature of the position. I don't deny Gore will play through minor injuries but he's hardly the only rb to do that. But he is no more of an injury concern than any other rb.

 

[iSnitch]

Following a recent minicamp practice, 49ers RB Frank Gore not only complimented the new style of running called for in the new scheme, but also said that he was not told he would be sharing carries this season. "I haven't heard that we're going to take some of the load off of me," Gore said. "I know the coach has been telling me that I have to be in tip-top shape and I have to be ready to take the load, and that's what I'm going to do. ... I feel like the more I'm in the game, the more I touch the ball, the better player I am."

 

[barista]

I know the coach has been telling me that I have to be in tip-top shape and I have to be ready to take the load, and that's what I'm going to do. ... I feel like the more I'm in the game, the more I touch the ball, the better player I am."

I just picture Michael Scott reading this...

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I know the coach has been telling me that I have to be in tip-top shape and I have to be ready to take the load, and that's what I'm going to do. ... I feel like the more I'm in the game, the more I touch the ball, the better player I am."

I just picture Michael Scott reading this...