Could Team X beat Team Y? (1 Viewer)

[AB in DC]

We've had a couple of threads here recently that discussed some hypothetical match-ups:

1) Would the 2007 Dolphins beat the 1960s Packers?

Answer: Absolutely, the differences in size/speed/strategy are enormous

2) Would a top 2007 college team (e.g. USC) beat the 2007 Dolphins?

Answer: No chance -- USC has at most twenty NFL-caliber players, but the Dolphins have fifty.

So this got me to thinking about a completely different hypothetical:

Would the current NCAA Champion beat the 1960s Packers?

 

[Keys Myaths]

This is interesting.

 

[phthalatemagic]

What year? If it's 1967, then the Gators aren't even alive. If it's 2006, the Packers are too old to play.

 

[TLEF316]

What year? If it's 1967, then the Gators aren't even alive. If it's 2006, the Packers are too old to play.

and for the record, i say yes. It would be a rout. WAAAAAAY too much size and speed. Gator offensive and defensive scheme would be like nothing the packers had ever seen.Honestly, i think florida by at least 4 TDs.Same thing would happen in a basketball game with similar participants. In fact, hoops would probably be uglier.

 

[s_ezy]

they had a center from back then on Mike and Mike this morning, his playing weight was 245.

245 lbs. playing at center... the gators in a blowout

 

[Fallerjw]

they had a center from back then on Mike and Mike this morning, his playing weight was 245. 245 lbs. playing at center... the gators in a blowout

Not to mention the speed. Big blowout.

 

[GregR_2]

they had a center from back then on Mike and Mike this morning, his playing weight was 245. 245 lbs. playing at center... the gators in a blowout

Not to mention the speed. Big blowout.

Not to mention that the Packers would have no clue about how to defense the offensive system used by the Gators, while the Gators would have little problem coming up with a decent gameplan against the Packers.

 

[Godsbrother]

We've had a couple of threads here recently that discussed some hypothetical match-ups:

1) Would the 2007 Dolphins beat the 1960s Packers?

Answer: Absolutely, the differences in size/speed/strategy are enormous

I voted for the '60s Packers to beat the '07 Dolphins...

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

Under what rules? These no-pass-defense, holding-allowed, Dline-in-the-neutral-zone, don't-touch-the-QB-or-WRs nonsense that we have now -- that allowed john elway into the HOF and the mediocre-defensed Patriots to turn the league into a travesty?

Bart Starr and crew would rip them up in either case.

 

[Sabertooth]

We've had a couple of threads here recently that discussed some hypothetical match-ups:

1) Would the 2007 Dolphins beat the 1960s Packers?

Answer: Absolutely, the differences in size/speed/strategy are enormous

I voted for the '60s Packers to beat the '07 Dolphins...

I did as well.

 

[MOAT]

Under what rules? These no-pass-defense, holding-allowed, Dline-in-the-neutral-zone, don't-touch-the-QB-or-WRs nonsense that we have now -- that allowed john elway into the HOF and the mediocre-defensed Patriots to turn the league into a travesty?Bart Starr and crew would rip them up in either case.

This was my question too. And are they using leather helmets and small, thin pads? I'm not sure I would ever cheer for the Packers but it would be interesting.

 

[Sabertooth]

For these fool thinking the Gators would have a chance, where do you put the cutoff? 1970, 1980, 1990, 2000?

 

[AB in DC]

Bump for the offseason crowd.

Results from December:

2006 NCAA Champion [ 19 ] ** [54.29%]

1966 NFL Champion [ 14 ] ** [40.00%]

Too close to call [ 2 ] ** [5.71%]

 

[SSOG]

Under what rules? These no-pass-defense, holding-allowed, Dline-in-the-neutral-zone, don't-touch-the-QB-or-WRs nonsense that we have now -- that allowed john elway into the HOF and the mediocre-defensed Patriots to turn the league into a travesty?Bart Starr and crew would rip them up in either case.

Let them jam all they want. Outside of Adderly, the '60s Packers would be giving up 30 pounds and 6 inches on Florida's WRs, and you don't even want to know what kind of speed difference there'd be. You think even Adderly would be fast enough to run with Percy Harvin or Andre Caldwell? It'd be like when Bob Hayes first burst onto the scene and defenses had to come up with an entirely new scheme to defend him because he was just too fast... except Bob Hayes wouldn't join the league for another 3-5 years, and the '60s Green Bay Packers wouldn't know a zone defense if they saw one, which would leave them pretty much helpless against Florida's spread.Today's elite college football players are bigger, stronger, and faster than the pros of the '60s. If one team is bigger, stronger, and faster than another, it's usually going to win unless the other team has a decided schematic advantage, and the '60's Packers would actually be operating at a schematic DISadvantage.

 

[encaitar]

For these fool thinking the Gators would have a chance, where do you put the cutoff? 1970, 1980, 1990, 2000?

I don't think there is a "cutoff" so to speak. When comparing two teams, you compare those two teams, not which decade they came from. Today's Florida Gators are bigger, stronger, and faster at EVERY position on the football field. Their linebackers are bigger than the 66' Packers olinemen, but are faster than the Packers RBs and WRs. You can argue rule changes all you want. The NFL in the 1960s allowed a lot more physicality. If you use these rules, it's going to favor the team with the most size and strength. The Florida Gators in this case. Today's rules put more emphasis on speed and agility. Once again favoring the Gators. And like others have mentioned, the Pack never saw anything like a spread offense in the 1960s. They would be extremely disadvantaged by this. I think these "fools" thinking the 66 Packers would defeat the 07 Gators need to have a pushing match with a man 70 pounds heavier than them, or a foot race with someone twice as fast as them. Maybe then they'll understand the physical difference between football today and football 40 years ago.

 

[kethnaab]

for the sake of perspective, we'll go 10 years later and look at the sizes of the physically dominating Pittsburgh Steelers.

Remember, these guys were able to physically overwhelm their opponents.

1975 Pittsburgh Steelers:

Center - Mike Webster - 6'1, 252

Guard - Sam Davis - 6'1, 255

Guard - Gerry Mullins - 6'3, 240

Tackle - Gordon Gravelle - 6'5, 250

Tackle - Jon Kolb - 6'2, 260

TE - Larry Brown - 6'4, 220

DT - Ernie Holmes - 6'2, 260

DT - Joe Greene - 6'4, 275

DE - L.C. Greenwood - 6'5, 245

DE - Dwight White - 6'4, 255

MLB - Jack Lambert - 6'4, 215

OLB - Jack Ham - 6'1, 220

OLB - Andy Russel - 6'2, 225

The lineman weigh close to what Ben Roethlisberger weighs. Jack Lambert was about 5-10 lbs heavier than Fast Willie Parker. The entire Steel Curtain and the entire offensive line, aside from Joe Greene, was smaller than Brandon Jacobs

 

[SSOG]

For comparison purposes, here are the measurables of some of Florida's key contributors. All of these measurements were taken after their Senior year of high school, remember, so they were undoubtedly bigger and stronger by the time the Championship game rolled around.

OL Carlton Medder, Clermont (Florida) South Lake) (6' 4", 327 lbs)

OL Steve Rissler, Sarasota Riverview (6' 3", 315 lbs)

OL Drew Miller, Sarasota Riverview (6' 6", 305 lbs)

OL Jim Tartt, Crawfordville (Florida) Wakulla (6' 4", 310 lbs)

OL Phil Trautwein, Voorhees (New Jersey) Eastern (6' 7", 310 lbs)

DL Joe Cohen, Palm Bay, Florida (6' 2", 240, 4.47 forty)

DL Jarvis Moss, Denton (Texas) Ryan (6' 7", 220 lbs, 4.48 forty)

DL Marcus Thomas, Jacksonville Mandarin (6' 4", 285 lbs)

DE Derrick Harvey, Greenbelt (Maryland) Eleanor Roosevelt (6' 5", 235 lbs, 4.7 forty)

LB Brandon Siler, Orlando Evans (6' 3", 220 lbs, 4.52 forty)

LB Brandon Spikes, Shelby (North Carolina) Crest (6' 4", 235 lbs, 4.76 forty)

WR Andre Caldwell, Tampa Jefferson (6' 2", 180 lbs, 4.39 forty)

DB Reggie Nelson, Palm Bay, Florida (6' 0", 175 lbs, 4.37 forty)

QB Tim Tebow, St. Augustine Nease (6' 3", 217 lbs, 4.69 forty)

The lightest offensive lineman was 305 pounds. The shortest was 6'3". Everyone else was comparable in size to the guys in the '60s, but most likely much faster. Yes, craftiness and experience count for something, but speed counts for more. Jerry Rice was plenty crafty as a 43-year old trying to make the Denver Broncos, but he got cut from the squad because the younger players were simply so much faster that they could close and make the play after Jerry Rice beat them with his craftiness. Florida had two D-linemen running sub-4.5 forties. They had a free safety and a WR running a sub-4.4. Their freshman backup QB wouldn't have looked out of place lining up at LB for the 1976 Pittsburgh Steelers.

 

[Steady Mooobin]

We've had a couple of threads here recently that discussed some hypothetical match-ups:

1) Would the 2007 Dolphins beat the 1960s Packers?

Answer: Absolutely, the differences in size/speed/strategy are enormous

I voted for the '60s Packers to beat the '07 Dolphins...

I did as well.

I think you guys discount the amount of HOF'ers on those Packers teams.

This is purely a hypothetical, but you're going to have to give some type of conditions. Are we playing in the past or present? Are the Pack allowed to have used today's training methods? How much time do they have to prepare?