Let me guess! Guy is the conservative foil of the day, she's the progressive. She educates him with experience and empiricism rather than distant logic and deductions.I smell a sitcom!
Unfortunately, it was pretty mediocre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma_%26_GregI smell a sitcom!
We can do it better, now.Unfortunately, it was pretty mediocre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma_%26_Greg
That one and Home Improvement were the two I had in mind. I remember Dharma and Greg. That was sweet.Unfortunately, it was pretty mediocre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma_%26_Greg
That could work. Honestly, I just went for the classic Family Guy reference(the one where they move to Alabama in witness protection).Let me guess! Guy is the conservative foil of the day, she's the progressive. She educates him with experience and empiricism rather than distant logic and deductions.
Sign me up!
That just means your current morals and politics are inextricably linked. That isn't necessarily so for everybody. To be so definitive in an "Of course not" limits your capacity to grow, for debate, for questioning the fundamentals.Of course not. My politics are a direct result of my morals and my vision of the world.
Well, I'm divorced, so...I am. I'm conservative/independent, my wife is liberal. We are able to have debates/discussions without getting upset at each other. In many election years I would tell her we can stay home as our votes would cancel each other. With the current administration it has pushed me to her side more (don't believe/support free college and most all of the "fringe" beliefs) and although I'll hold my nose for who looks like the candidate will be I'll most likely vote D this year. Saying that, I'm definitely not committing to voting blue no matter who after this year.
Saying that I have no idea how the Conways stay together, that's pretty extreme...
This. A person's political beliefs do not exist in a vacuum. Those beliefs are generally forged from their core beliefs - and if our core beliefs were "totally opposite" I can't envision any type of meaningful relationship.Sure, but not values. If they prefer different approaches to, for example, funding public schools that would be fine and even healthy/helpful. But if they cheer this administration and those who march with it, our values are completely incompatible.
She's not very political at all but votes on state propositions and primaries? That seems like a pretty rare combination.I guess it depends, I don't think I could be married to a MAGA hat wearing, Qanan, its just a flu type person, but a Rockerfeller Republican who will not vote Trump? I dunno, I really need to know how hot and rich they are first. My wife is not very political at all, but she is more conservative than I am, which mainly translates to slight differences in how we vote on state propositions. We also voted for different primary candidates, but it is not something we really debated.
Well, you cannot chose your child, so I assume you would still invite them and do your best to work with them. They could still get uninvited if they are so far out there you no longer want to be around them (lets say hypothetically they become some alt righter and want to bring a nazi flag or something for an extreme example).So I guess the next thing to ask is how would you handle a child of yours being 100% opposite of your political views?
You have less choice here. Stop inviting to family gatherings? Try to change him or her? Accept it?
I'm glad you're back, GB.This. A person's political beliefs do not exist in a vacuum. Those beliefs are generally forged from their core beliefs - and if our core beliefs were "totally opposite" I can't envision any type of meaningful relationship.Sure, but not values. If they prefer different approaches to, for example, funding public schools that would be fine and even healthy/helpful. But if they cheer this administration and those who march with it, our values are completely incompatible.
Now, are you asking if I could marry a republican - sure. But, not one where we held totally opposite beliefs.
I also wonder how much of this would be influenced by which side you lean toward.Well, you cannot chose your child, so I assume you would still invite them and do your best to work with them. They could still get uninvited if they are so far out there you no longer want to be around them (lets say hypothetically they become some alt righter and want to bring a nazi flag or something for an extreme example).
It is different with your spouse because you have a choice. I recall my wife was like "isn't it odd how we both don't like to drink". I just mentioned that if one of us really liked drinking and going out to bars, and the other did not, we might not have got past a few dates, so by getting far enough to get married there is already a selection bias towards compatibility.
She just does not follow politics at all. At the primary in March, she was looking at the list and was like "who is Pete Buttigieg, is Warren winning, where is Kamala Harris" type stuff. She votes, but is not following the day to day or even month to month type of events.She's not very political at all but votes on state propositions and primaries? That seems like a pretty rare combination.
Meh, I think that's more of function of what's going on right now. Put in some hypothetical populist leftist firebrand and I think the right would be up in lather and say differently. That's basic human nature. Hypothetically...I also wonder how much of this would be influenced by which side you lean toward.
I see it far more likely that a liberal would not date a conservative, where as a conservative would be far more tolerant of a liberal.
I think it is equally as unlikely that someone would date someone with polar opposite political views.I see it far more likely that a liberal would not date a conservative, where as a conservative would be far more tolerant of a liberal.
Yeah I'm not sure I agree with you on thatI think it is equally as unlikely that someone would date someone with polar opposite political views.
Now, if someone is middle of the road republican, or democrat, then the opposite isn't really all that different
Guessing a marriage would not work out for us thenYeah I'm not sure I agree with you on that
Wanna make out anyway?Guessing a marriage would not work out for us then
Heterosexual male conservatives sometimes date heterosexual female liberals. Because of numbers.I also wonder how much of this would be influenced by which side you lean toward.
I see it far more likely that a liberal would not date a conservative, where as a conservative would be far more tolerant of a liberal.
I’m feeling conflicted about this. On one hand what he hold to be truth or what we hold to be most important are going to absolutely inform our politics, especially when it comes to how much weight we put on one thing over another. On the other hand I think that when you really get to the root of things most people across the political spectrum value the same things, they just see different ways of achieving those things.That just means your current morals and politics are inextricably linked. That isn't necessarily so for everybody. To be so definitive in an "Of course not" limits your capacity to grow, for debate, for questioning the fundamentals.
Yeah, it depends how specified your morals are and how you value differing opinions on values that aren't core. That's why I wrote this in my first response: I said that it was [difficult], at times when my girlfriend and I were dating, but we shared similar backgrounds and basic core values of freedom and equality, so that how to get there didn't interfere with our coupling.I’m feeling conflicted about this. On one hand what he hold to be truth or what we hold to be most important are going to absolutely inform our politics, especially when it comes to how much weight we put on one thing over another. On the other hand I think that when you really get to the root of things most people across the political spectrum value the same things, they just see different ways of achieving those things.
For instance, I don’t think that most free market supporters hate poor people and support the free market just to enrich themselves. I think most believe that the free market ultimately gives the biggest benefit to society as a whole. And I don’t think most supporters of socialism are totalitarians or actively hate the wealthy, they just see the plight of the poor and believe that this is the best way to provide for them. Both sides ultimately want the best for as many people as possible, it’s just two completely different visions of how to get there. Unfortunately we tend to place the worst possible motives on those we disagree with.
Of course not. My politics are a direct result of my morals and my vision of the world.
This is where Im at now with my current significant other. We often have to just bite our lip lest one or the other of us gets bent then it all goes to ####. She is a foxnews consumer and I usually just leave the room when she turns on TheFive cuz if I dont I will inevitably and uncontrollably chortle which will lead to a convo we may not want to have. Its a challenge for both of us at times but we do try to respect each other and we also enjoy the rest of who we are together so it works right now.voted yes. come to find out, the last 5 years or so, i pretty much am.
all views are certainly not opposite, but some major differences, and as the OP opined, it is tough at times.
the relationship is so much more than political views of course, but we both know to just be quiet about politics if we are smart. and i know we have less respect for one another due to doubts about the others intelligence, self-honesty, values and really, sanity at times.
so that's not good.
on the plus side, we're both deeply distrustful and disdainful of government, so we've got that going for us.
just to give you a very general idea, she tends to be more nationalist, me globalist. i find trump horribly malignant and revolting and while she says she doesn't like him and tries to pay no attention (at this point) to politics, she has admired his genius.
an example of our difficulties: (and to get in my little immature dig) back when trump typed hamberders in a tweet, and i was stupid and petty enough to mention this to her, her reply was "he's not stupid, it's some kind of code".
in the end, one has to laugh, well smile anyway.
Without trying to fan flames, they have done social media studies on political unfriending and the left unfriends people on the right for holding political views much more than the other way around. I've found this to be the same in my experience, though my experience has always seen the dominant or majoritarian side as Democratic or left-leaning. Perhaps this simple majoritarian explanation is why I've always felt Republican or conservative views were marginalized. Add in academia to the mix, and you've got a whole grievance fest on the conservative end of things. I used to not blame them one iota.I also wonder how much of this would be influenced by which side you lean toward.
I see it far more likely that a liberal would not date a conservative, where as a conservative would be far more tolerant of a liberal.