Couldn't Denver do the honorable thing (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

This will happen as soon as the Pats forfeit the snow bowl.

What was the error in the Snow Bowl?

Walt Coleman is the only ref who wouldn't have called that a fumble. Fortunately for you, he was assigned to the game.

 

[Tigerpiper]

I wouldn't expect anything. This is the same city that refused to forfeit the 5th Down game to my beloved Tigers in 1990. They are a bunch of dishonorable cheaters, and I will not support them, unless there is tasty powder at Breckenridge.

Typical out of towner. There are multiple ski areas that have tastier powder than Breckenridge.

Breck? Really? You were thinking of the best CO ski resorts and Breck was the first to come to mind?Plus Boulder does not equal Denver. It is about 15-30 minutes Northwest depending on what part of the city you're in.

I was so blinded with rage, from 18 years ago, that I temporarily forgot about the difference between Boulder and Denver. But 30 miles is not so far when you're talking about dishonor.

 

[shredhead]

I wouldn't expect anything. This is the same city that refused to forfeit the 5th Down game to my beloved Tigers in 1990. They are a bunch of dishonorable cheaters, and I will not support them, unless there is tasty powder at Breckenridge.

Typical out of towner. There are multiple ski areas that have tastier powder than Breckenridge.

Breck? Really? You were thinking of the best CO ski resorts and Breck was the first to come to mind?Plus Boulder does not equal Denver. It is about 15-30 minutes Northwest depending on what part of the city you're in.

I was so blinded with rage, from 18 years ago, that I temporarily forgot about the difference between Boulder and Denver. But 30 miles is not so far when you're talking about dishonor.

That still doesn't explain the Breck comment.There is a reason the rest of the state refers to Boulder as the Peoples Republic of Boulder. The hippies, errr people of Boulder don't represent the otherwise normal people from the rest of the state. Aspen is a whole other animal too, but that is another story.

 

[PatsWillWin]

This will happen as soon as the Pats forfeit the snow bowl.

What was the error in the Snow Bowl?

Walt Coleman is the only ref who wouldn't have called that a fumble. Fortunately for you, he was assigned to the game.

Sorry statement about the NFL that only one ref is familiar with the definition of a fumble.

 

[captgus]

No way Denver should have forfeited. No way.

But I disagree with this:

Philip Rivers acted like a 3 year old brat child at the end of the game between SD and Den last season.

Hi Maurile,Can you elaborate on that? What's your take on what happened last year?

J

My understanding is that Cutler was talking smack the whole game to the defense.At the end of the game, Shaun Phillips and Rivers were on the sideline doing a little talking back. Rivers yelled "Atta baby!" He was not telling Cutler "Atta Baby," but was telling it to the Chargers' defense. It was meant to show up Cutler, but as part of the game. Sandlot talk. No cursing, no hard feelings, just having fun.

Thanks. I'd heard that. But I'd also heard other sides that put a lot more (all) the blame on Rivers. Either way, the handshake at midfield yesterday before the coin toss looked more forced than a Mangini - Belichick post game handshake. Pretty funny.J

Funny, both Cutler and Rivers strike me as mental midgets and I apologize in advance to any of the vertically challenged that may be offended by the term "mental midget".

 

[KoolKat]

No way Denver should have forfeited. No way.

But I disagree with this:

Philip Rivers acted like a 3 year old brat child at the end of the game between SD and Den last season.

Hi Maurile,Can you elaborate on that? What's your take on what happened last year?

J

My understanding is that Cutler was talking smack the whole game to the defense.At the end of the game, Shaun Phillips and Rivers were on the sideline doing a little talking back. Rivers yelled "Atta baby!" He was not telling Cutler "Atta Baby," but was telling it to the Chargers' defense. It was meant to show up Cutler, but as part of the game. Sandlot talk. No cursing, no hard feelings, just having fun.

Thanks. I'd heard that. But I'd also heard other sides that put a lot more (all) the blame on Rivers. Either way, the handshake at midfield yesterday before the coin toss looked more forced than a Mangini - Belichick post game handshake. Pretty funny.J

Funny, both Cutler and Rivers strike me as mental midgets and I apologize in advance to any of the vertically challenged that may be offended by the term "mental midget".

Ya, most well spoken people who graduate from Vanderbilt are "mental midgets."

 

[Dexter Manley]

I feel bad for Chargers fans...until they overturn the OSU/UM game from 2002, I have to unfortunately go with the inadvertent whistle ruling. Did you get hosed? yes you did. Karma is a killer...I wouldn't want to be a Denver player the next few weeks, have a feeling the injury bug is going to be cast upon them by the FF Gods, just the gut talking, nothing more.

to a scientific journal stating the reality and proof of karma. Karma is no more real than psychics, astrology, or tarot readers. Just b/c an idea is comforting does not make it true.

There may be nothing more real than karma. Don't do bad things to find out.For example, Cutler owner in one of my leagues who needs help at RB started talking to me seriously about trading Cutler for either McFadden or Chris Johnson, and a qb. I started thinking about it seriously, then he starts laughing and heckling me about how he'll never trade Cutler. After that, I'll be surprised if he wins another game the rest of the year due to bad karma.

 

[KoolKat]

I feel bad for Chargers fans...until they overturn the OSU/UM game from 2002, I have to unfortunately go with the inadvertent whistle ruling. Did you get hosed? yes you did. Karma is a killer...I wouldn't want to be a Denver player the next few weeks, have a feeling the injury bug is going to be cast upon them by the FF Gods, just the gut talking, nothing more.

to a scientific journal stating the reality and proof of karma. Karma is no more real than psychics, astrology, or tarot readers. Just b/c an idea is comforting does not make it true.

There may be nothing more real than karma. Don't do bad things to find out.For example, Cutler owner in one of my leagues who needs help at RB started talking to me seriously about trading Cutler for either McFadden or Chris Johnson, and a qb. I started thinking about it seriously, then he starts laughing and heckling me about how he'll never trade Cutler. After that, I'll be surprised if he wins another game the rest of the year due to bad karma.

Anything that can be proven to exist is "more real" than karma. There is absolutely no reason to believe in a supernatural force for which there is absolutely no proof, none. Just b/c you think karma exists does not make it so. I can say that I think there is a giant diamond buried in my backyard, and I'd be suprised if I did not find one; but it has no relevance when talking about the truth of things.Bump this after that guy wins his next game. If he wins the championship, will you change your view, or come up with some convulated rationalization of why karma "decided" he should win?

 

[captgus]

Ya, most well spoken people who graduate from Vanderbilt are "mental midgets."

I wasn't aware that well spoken people use 'umm/uhh' every 7th word when interviewed.

 

[KoolKat]

I wasn't aware that well spoken people use 'umm/uhh' every 7th word when interviewed.

That is some good irony...A guy who can't even figure out how to quote someone on this board is criticizing a Vandy grads intelligence.Edited to say, I have talked to Cutler personally, when he did not have to analyze his thoughts so thoroughly, as to not have the media misconstrue them, and he is smart and well spoken.

 

[Gigantomachia]

It's called the human element.

How did this thread make it past this post?

 

[Keepers]

Titans should forfeit the music city miracle. And the Bucs should forfeit any fan revenues from the the 70s.

 

[Largent]

sure...I heard Bettis wants to give his ring to Shaun Alexander too.

 

[Novice2]

SD's fault they couldn't stop a 2point conversion~

or 4th and goal for that TD, or that denver ran the same play for the conversion and it executed twice, or didn't cover BMarsh, etc.....

Or a whistle happy ref....

 

[spacevan]

Ummm, Yeah. I'm going to need all of you that have posted these ridiculous comments to move your office down to the basement. I know thats where storage is but we really need the room. Oh and can we get that red stapler from you. Thanks.

 

[Naked]

The bad part about this whole thing is that it happened at the end of the game.

How many calls were missed that could have aided Denver and given them another score?

It was a horrible call, San Diego was screwed, but bad calls happen all the time.

Look at the Philly @ Dallas game right now. PI on Dallas when it was clearly Offensive PI.

If that Dallas PI call happened with 30 seconds left in the game down by 6, the Cowboy fans would have freaked, like the Charger fans are now.

The timing (late in the game) is what makes this situation so bad.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

How many calls were missed that could have aided Denver and given them another score?

None?As objective as I can be, I remember four really bad calls:1. The "interception" when Bailey stripped the ball from Chambers after he was down.2. The non-call when Jamal Williams was blatently held on Pittman's short TD run.3. The phantom hold on Chambers that called back Sproles' long run.4. The "incomplete pass" at the end of the game that should have been ruled a fumble.

 

[OddibeMcD]

Did I miss something? Is Vandy a good school? Ryan Fitzpatrick laughs somewhere.

 

[rascal]

This thread is dumber than Desean Jackson.

 

[PatrickT]

I feel bad for Chargers fans...until they overturn the OSU/UM game from 2002, I have to unfortunately go with the inadvertent whistle ruling. Did you get hosed? yes you did. Karma is a killer...I wouldn't want to be a Denver player the next few weeks, have a feeling the injury bug is going to be cast upon them by the FF Gods, just the gut talking, nothing more.

to a scientific journal stating the reality and proof of karma. Karma is no more real than psychics, astrology, or tarot readers. Just b/c an idea is comforting does not make it true.

There may be nothing more real than karma. Don't do bad things to find out.For example, Cutler owner in one of my leagues who needs help at RB started talking to me seriously about trading Cutler for either McFadden or Chris Johnson, and a qb. I started thinking about it seriously, then he starts laughing and heckling me about how he'll never trade Cutler. After that, I'll be surprised if he wins another game the rest of the year due to bad karma.

Anything that can be proven to exist is "more real" than karma. There is absolutely no reason to believe in a supernatural force for which there is absolutely no proof, none. Just b/c you think karma exists does not make it so. I can say that I think there is a giant diamond buried in my backyard, and I'd be suprised if I did not find one; but it has no relevance when talking about the truth of things.Bump this after that guy wins his next game. If he wins the championship, will you change your view, or come up with some convulated rationalization of why karma "decided" he should win?

It's entirely possible you're taking the whole "karma" talk just a tad too seriously. This is football, not philosophy or theology.HTH

 

[Charlie Harper]

I feel bad for Chargers fans...until they overturn the OSU/UM game from 2002, I have to unfortunately go with the inadvertent whistle ruling. Did you get hosed? yes you did. Karma is a killer...I wouldn't want to be a Denver player the next few weeks, have a feeling the injury bug is going to be cast upon them by the FF Gods, just the gut talking, nothing more.

to a scientific journal stating the reality and proof of karma. Karma is no more real than psychics, astrology, or tarot readers. Just b/c an idea is comforting does not make it true.

There may be nothing more real than karma. Don't do bad things to find out.For example, Cutler owner in one of my leagues who needs help at RB started talking to me seriously about trading Cutler for either McFadden or Chris Johnson, and a qb. I started thinking about it seriously, then he starts laughing and heckling me about how he'll never trade Cutler. After that, I'll be surprised if he wins another game the rest of the year due to bad karma.

Anything that can be proven to exist is "more real" than karma. There is absolutely no reason to believe in a supernatural force for which there is absolutely no proof, none. Just b/c you think karma exists does not make it so. I can say that I think there is a giant diamond buried in my backyard, and I'd be suprised if I did not find one; but it has no relevance when talking about the truth of things.Bump this after that guy wins his next game. If he wins the championship, will you change your view, or come up with some convulated rationalization of why karma "decided" he should win?

It's entirely possible you're taking the whole "karma" talk just a tad too seriously. This is football, not philosophy or theology.HTH

My Name is Earl down?

 

[-baller]

I feel bad for Chargers fans...until they overturn the OSU/UM game from 2002, I have to unfortunately go with the inadvertent whistle ruling. Did you get hosed? yes you did. Karma is a killer...I wouldn't want to be a Denver player the next few weeks, have a feeling the injury bug is going to be cast upon them by the FF Gods, just the gut talking, nothing more.

to a scientific journal stating the reality and proof of karma. Karma is no more real than psychics, astrology, or tarot readers. Just b/c an idea is comforting does not make it true.

There may be nothing more real than karma. Don't do bad things to find out.For example, Cutler owner in one of my leagues who needs help at RB started talking to me seriously about trading Cutler for either McFadden or Chris Johnson, and a qb. I started thinking about it seriously, then he starts laughing and heckling me about how he'll never trade Cutler. After that, I'll be surprised if he wins another game the rest of the year due to bad karma.

Anything that can be proven to exist is "more real" than karma. There is absolutely no reason to believe in a supernatural force for which there is absolutely no proof, none. Just b/c you think karma exists does not make it so. I can say that I think there is a giant diamond buried in my backyard, and I'd be suprised if I did not find one; but it has no relevance when talking about the truth of things.Bump this after that guy wins his next game. If he wins the championship, will you change your view, or come up with some convulated rationalization of why karma "decided" he should win?

no, it means dexter has bad karma.

 

[SSOG]

It's called the human element.

:IBTL:

I can accept the human element when it comes to refs getting in the way of a defender and a guy goes for a touchdown. But an obvious blown call deciding the outcome of a game is inexcusable. This is why we have instant replay. Get the call right!

No one's disputing how bad of a call it was. But to expect the NFL to overrule and give the Chargers a win is a bit Pollyanna-ish.

I don't know that I expect the NFL to give the Chargers a win. But let's put it another way... If the NFL did overturn the outcome of the game and awarded SD with the win, would anyone be upset? (other than Denver fans of course) I would imagine even Denver homers know that they really lost that game.

I'm a Denver homer, and I would be irate if the league overturned the outcome of the game... but not because it meant another loss for Denver. I fully accept that Denver should have lost that game, deserved to lose that game, and only had it handed to them by an officiating error. I'd be just fine with a 1 in the loss column right now. What I would *NOT* be just fine with would be the league setting a precedent that they could change results after the fact.Every week, coaches send the league a list of complaints about the officiating. Every week, the coaches make their case that those mistakes cost them the game, and it's inexcusable. The league issues a lot of official apologies over the course of the year... but they don't change any results that are final. If the floodgates have been opened, if the precedent has been set, then there's a wickedly slippery slope there. Every team that gets an official apology is going to want the result overturned. Sometimes the mistakes might have changed the outcome of the game, sometimes they might not have... but unless the league hires Miss Cleo as an independent contractor in the clink, how the hell are they supposed to know for sure which mistakes were really game-changing? It's nothing but a series of minor concessions until the league is overturning results based on mistakes made in the first quarter.

I suppose you could try to set the rule so that results are only overturned if the mistake occurs at the very end of the game, but then the Denver/SD game doesn't fall under the rule's purview. Cutler fumbled with over a minute left, and Denver still had 2 timeouts. Even with the fumble, Denver could have still possibly gotten a stop, forced a punt, and either returned it for a score or tossed a Hail Mary. Likely? No freaking way, but POSSIBLE. Unless you want to replay those final 2 minutes (a ludicrous suggestion), you can't mark it as a loss for Denver when there was even a POSSIBILITY of them still winning. Period.

This will happen as soon as the Pats forfeit the snow bowl.

What was the error in the Snow Bowl?

Walt Coleman is the only ref who wouldn't have called that a fumble. Fortunately for you, he was assigned to the game.

Sorry statement about the NFL that only one ref is familiar with the definition of a fumble.

I suspect the other refs were familiar with the definition of a fumble, they just didn't enforce the rule for the sake of consistency. Like the sideline rule on kickoff returns. Every time a kickoff goes for a score, look at the sidelines 60 yards from the end zone and you'll see players and coaches creeping onto the field to get a better view. It happens every time. The action will already be 40 yards past them, so there's no conceivable way that they impact the play. Technically, as written, it's a penalty that should call the return back... but I've only ever heard of it being called ONCE (and as I said, it happens on EVERY long return). All of the refs probably know the rule, but they also know that it's a stupid rule, and no one calls it... so they don't call it.I don't care if refs decide to stop enforcing certain rules in certain situations, so long as they're CONSISTENT about it. Some refereeing crews only call the most blatant holds. Others really crack down on defensive backfields with lots of PI hankies. As long as they're enforcing the rules the same from game to game and (most importantly) from team to team, then so be it. As long as holding for Team A is still holding for Team B, then the game is fair.

Did I miss something? Is Vandy a good school? Ryan Fitzpatrick laughs somewhere.

Vandy's a VERY good school. It's why they always suck so hard at football.

 

[jwojdylo]

of course Denver will never give the game back and it would be unprecedented for them to do anything but the leave the outcome as it is, but I think everyone knows who won that game...