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Countdown to Cutler (1 Viewer)
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Sarcasm going over a few people's heads.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
a much more informative thread about the topic: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=278760' date='Nov 5 2006, 07:33 PM' post='5854334']
Good info here.
Banger
Footballguy
In Joe's Upgrade/Downgrade email this morning he had this to say about Plummer...
After his clunker of a performance (less than 50% completion percentage, less than 200 passing yards, no TDs, and an INT) against the Chargers, the rumors are swirling again. The story now is that if Plummer stumbles against the Chiefs Thursday night, then HC Mike Shanahan will turn to rookie Jay Cutler. The talking point now is that the team will have nine days to get Cutler ready to roll against Seattle.
After his clunker of a performance (less than 50% completion percentage, less than 200 passing yards, no TDs, and an INT) against the Chargers, the rumors are swirling again. The story now is that if Plummer stumbles against the Chiefs Thursday night, then HC Mike Shanahan will turn to rookie Jay Cutler. The talking point now is that the team will have nine days to get Cutler ready to roll against Seattle.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
And Jake will have a healthy defense to deal with, as it sounds like Greg Wesley and Derrick Johnson will return from injuries.
That would be SWEET, to see KC up by 21 in the 4th knowing that Plummer is DONE as the starter.
I know its will be Thanksgiving and that sounds evil, but I will have 79K @ Arrowhead that agree with me Thursday night.
That would be SWEET, to see KC up by 21 in the 4th knowing that Plummer is DONE as the starter.
I know its will be Thanksgiving and that sounds evil, but I will have 79K @ Arrowhead that agree with me Thursday night.
Banger
Footballguy
From the Rocky Mountain news....
Krieger: Plummer better get going
The countdown begins.
Good Jake returns Thanksgiving night in Kansas City or rookie Jay Cutler becomes the Broncos starting quarterback 10 days later at home against Seattle.
Granted, it's a guess, but it's an educated guess. Let's look at the evidence and see if you agree, starting with the raw numbers.
This is not last year's Jake.
The Jake to whom Mike Shanahan became accustomed over the previous three seasons carried a passer rating of 88.1 into this season, best in Broncos history. This season, he has a passer rating of 69.7.
Last year, Plummer's rating of 90.2 ranked seventh in the NFL. This year, he ranks 29th.
In other words, a month from his 32nd birthday, Jake has gone backward in a big way. Why?
Two reasons: Opponents have adjusted. Jake has not.
By and large, opponents now take away the quarterback keeper. On defense, that requires people staying home on the edges to play the bootleg. In turn, that leaves them vulnerable in the middle.
This is why the Chargers gave up so many big chunks of yardage up the middle to the Broncos' ever-changing cast of running backs Sunday night. It was a war of attrition. The Broncos thought if they got enough big gainers up the middle, the Chargers would have to adjust, bringing help inside and opening up the quarterback keeper, which is Jake's strength.
The Chargers decided to take these punches up the gut and try to outscore the Broncos and ultimately force them out of their ground game. The Chargers won this game within the game. It's hard to get 35 points on the ground.
Jake can make defenses pay for this adjustment by dropping back in the traditional way and hitting targets down the middle of the field. Whether it is focus or confidence or nerves, his accuracy hasn't been adequate to the task.
The fact is, and there's no polite way to say this, Jake just doesn't work that hard. When you hear Shanahan marvel periodically at his week around Peyton Manning at the Pro Bowl last winter, it is clearly Manning's obsession with the game he covets.
Jake could spend day and night studying game tape and working with his receivers to sharpen the passing game. Instead, he looks forward to his day off.
Ask Jake almost any question a thoughtful quarterback could answer and Jake will tell you he doesn't think about that stuff, he just plays. After 3 1/2 years, the Broncos are ready for a quarterback who thinks a little bit.
Mike Shanahan will not quit on the season.
I first met Shanahan 22 years ago when Dan Reeves hired him as a young offensive assistant. I don't pretend to be his closest confidante, but I can tell you this: He has not given up on the season, nor will he until arithmetic makes him.
Shanahan often says 10 teams have a realistic chance every year of getting hot at the right time and going to the Super Bowl. He believes the Broncos are one this year. His job is to give them their best chance to do it.
He was not going to make a change at quarterback early in the season, when he - and more important, his team - felt Jake deserved a chance to find his footing. But we are now in the second half of the season. Jake's numbers remain dreadful.
Shanahan is not particularly confident of a rookie's ability to command an NFL playbook, particularly the Broncos playbook. This season, only five quarterbacks have passer ratings lower than Plummer's. Two of them are Vince Young and Matt Leinart, Cutler's 2006 draft classmates.
Inserting a rookie, clearly, does not guarantee improvement. But Shanahan has benched a starting tackle, running back and tight end in recent days to shake up his offense. He will not hesitate to bench a quarterback once he likes his chances better with somebody else.
A quarterback can make a big difference.
Exhibits A and B this season are Tony Romo in Dallas and Philip Rivers in San Diego, quarterbacks without previous NFL experience who currently rank second and third in the league, just behind Manning.
The difference is Romo has been around the Cowboys since 2003 and Rivers around the Chargers since 2004. Cutler hasn't had that time to learn.
He's had half a season and precious few practice repetitions.
Moreover, Cutler is not exactly risk-free. The scouting report says he has so much confidence in his arm he will try to fit balls into places they will not fit. In the NFL, that's a dangerous inclination.
Shanahan believes a young quarterback needs two years to be ready for command of an NFL team. He would prefer that Plummer play as well as he did last year and let Cutler learn, as Rivers did behind Drew Brees.
But if Plummer looks as shaky in Kansas City as he did Sunday, it will be time to make a change. Cutler would have 10 days to prepare for his first start, which is as good as it gets at this point in the season.
And the Broncos would still have a chance to make a run, on a prayer and a rocket arm.
Krieger: Plummer better get going
The countdown begins.
Good Jake returns Thanksgiving night in Kansas City or rookie Jay Cutler becomes the Broncos starting quarterback 10 days later at home against Seattle.
Granted, it's a guess, but it's an educated guess. Let's look at the evidence and see if you agree, starting with the raw numbers.
This is not last year's Jake.
The Jake to whom Mike Shanahan became accustomed over the previous three seasons carried a passer rating of 88.1 into this season, best in Broncos history. This season, he has a passer rating of 69.7.
Last year, Plummer's rating of 90.2 ranked seventh in the NFL. This year, he ranks 29th.
In other words, a month from his 32nd birthday, Jake has gone backward in a big way. Why?
Two reasons: Opponents have adjusted. Jake has not.
By and large, opponents now take away the quarterback keeper. On defense, that requires people staying home on the edges to play the bootleg. In turn, that leaves them vulnerable in the middle.
This is why the Chargers gave up so many big chunks of yardage up the middle to the Broncos' ever-changing cast of running backs Sunday night. It was a war of attrition. The Broncos thought if they got enough big gainers up the middle, the Chargers would have to adjust, bringing help inside and opening up the quarterback keeper, which is Jake's strength.
The Chargers decided to take these punches up the gut and try to outscore the Broncos and ultimately force them out of their ground game. The Chargers won this game within the game. It's hard to get 35 points on the ground.
Jake can make defenses pay for this adjustment by dropping back in the traditional way and hitting targets down the middle of the field. Whether it is focus or confidence or nerves, his accuracy hasn't been adequate to the task.
The fact is, and there's no polite way to say this, Jake just doesn't work that hard. When you hear Shanahan marvel periodically at his week around Peyton Manning at the Pro Bowl last winter, it is clearly Manning's obsession with the game he covets.
Jake could spend day and night studying game tape and working with his receivers to sharpen the passing game. Instead, he looks forward to his day off.
Ask Jake almost any question a thoughtful quarterback could answer and Jake will tell you he doesn't think about that stuff, he just plays. After 3 1/2 years, the Broncos are ready for a quarterback who thinks a little bit.
Mike Shanahan will not quit on the season.
I first met Shanahan 22 years ago when Dan Reeves hired him as a young offensive assistant. I don't pretend to be his closest confidante, but I can tell you this: He has not given up on the season, nor will he until arithmetic makes him.
Shanahan often says 10 teams have a realistic chance every year of getting hot at the right time and going to the Super Bowl. He believes the Broncos are one this year. His job is to give them their best chance to do it.
He was not going to make a change at quarterback early in the season, when he - and more important, his team - felt Jake deserved a chance to find his footing. But we are now in the second half of the season. Jake's numbers remain dreadful.
Shanahan is not particularly confident of a rookie's ability to command an NFL playbook, particularly the Broncos playbook. This season, only five quarterbacks have passer ratings lower than Plummer's. Two of them are Vince Young and Matt Leinart, Cutler's 2006 draft classmates.
Inserting a rookie, clearly, does not guarantee improvement. But Shanahan has benched a starting tackle, running back and tight end in recent days to shake up his offense. He will not hesitate to bench a quarterback once he likes his chances better with somebody else.
A quarterback can make a big difference.
Exhibits A and B this season are Tony Romo in Dallas and Philip Rivers in San Diego, quarterbacks without previous NFL experience who currently rank second and third in the league, just behind Manning.
The difference is Romo has been around the Cowboys since 2003 and Rivers around the Chargers since 2004. Cutler hasn't had that time to learn.
He's had half a season and precious few practice repetitions.
Moreover, Cutler is not exactly risk-free. The scouting report says he has so much confidence in his arm he will try to fit balls into places they will not fit. In the NFL, that's a dangerous inclination.
Shanahan believes a young quarterback needs two years to be ready for command of an NFL team. He would prefer that Plummer play as well as he did last year and let Cutler learn, as Rivers did behind Drew Brees.
But if Plummer looks as shaky in Kansas City as he did Sunday, it will be time to make a change. Cutler would have 10 days to prepare for his first start, which is as good as it gets at this point in the season.
And the Broncos would still have a chance to make a run, on a prayer and a rocket arm.
Banger
Footballguy
Ok, it looks like the Cutler era is going to be starting. I really didn't think this time would come this year but I didn't expect Plummer to implode either.
I'm not a big college football guy but obviously he did a good enough job at Vandy to have the Bronc's move up for him in the 1st. I remember prior to the draft teams were really falling in love with the guy and he kept moving up the draft charts. So what are his strengths/weakness's? What are the expectations from here on out?
I'm not a big college football guy but obviously he did a good enough job at Vandy to have the Bronc's move up for him in the 1st. I remember prior to the draft teams were really falling in love with the guy and he kept moving up the draft charts. So what are his strengths/weakness's? What are the expectations from here on out?
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
here's our preseason rookie report:3. Jay Cutler - Vanderbilt Commodores - 6’3” 223 lbs.Season Comp Att Yds TDs INTs Rush Yds TDs 2005 273 462 3073 21 9 106 215 1 2004 147 241 1844 10 5 109 349 6 2003 187 327 2347 18 13 115 299 1 2002 103 212 1433 10 9 123 393 9 2001 (redshirt) - - - - - - - - PositivesJay Cutler is a tough, well built athlete with a great will to win. Cutler was sacked 64 times in the last 3 years, yet has only missed 3 quarters of one game and 1 quarter of another due to injury. He has a nice quick release and is very adept at hitting his receivers in stride. He excels at short area passing but can take shots down the field when necessary. He has good mobility in the pocket and shows good quickness in his 3,5, and 7 step drops. He can elude the rush and make plays with either his feet or his arm. He has quick feet and a good initial burst when he decides to scramble.NegativesCutler can be forced into making bad decisions. Part of this has to do with the shoddy protection he received while in college. He tends to lock onto his initial target, although he has shown some improvement in this area last season. He must learn how to anticipate his receivers better as he saw 74 passes broken up by defensive backs in 2005. He needs to step into his long throws to make the most of his arm strength.Numbers Games45 - Jay Cutler started every single game he ever played for Vanderbilt.NFL ComparisonDavid CarrSummaryJay Cutler is an intelligent field general that can move the chains. He has a dedicated work ethic and spends a lot of time in the film room. A student of the game, Cutler is known to be a quick study, which will surely help him in the NFL.From interviewing him and being around him during the draft/preseason/press conferences/etc, I can say that he is a quiet leader that has great character. He has enough athletic ability to make plays when things break down. He has a great arm and is fairly accurate. A great kid.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
They were 7-15 his last 2 years at Vanderbilt. His "will" didn't get much of a workout, I guess.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
-Negatives-Has a really goofy haircut and is a mouth-breather.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Lame. Can his will play defense?
BigRed
Footballguy
You guys don't know what you're talking about. Next thing you'll deny Manning can't win the big one blah blah
The Duff Man
Footballguy
He should sue his mom?
-OZ-
Footballguy
The guys insulting Cutler are probably on the USC bandwagon.Conference means nothing, right?
