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Covid and School This Fall (2 Viewers)

It was in the article he posted. 

The Los Angeles Teacher’s Union is one of the largest in the state, and the “United Teachers Los Angeles” say public schools should not reopen unless their demands are met.

Then the union themselves referred to their paper as a 

groundbreaking research paper that outlines necessary conditions for safely reopening schools,  

those items were in their paper as part of 

It is time to take a stand against Trump’s dangerous, anti-science agenda that puts the lives of our members, our students, and our families at risk,

there is no other way to take what they have said. There are plenty of other news stories saying the exact same things. 
I'm not really in the mood to defend the LA teachers union, but I think there's a pretty obvious way to interpret what they said - by reading the words they actually said in the paper rather than someone else's summary of it.  The point being, the OP said the union demanded that the city defund the police before their teachers would go back to work, but the paper he linked to doesn't say that.  Maybe its a veiled threat to strike, but if that is the point, I'd expect them to say so.

 
need2know said:
Most likely get better and get back to work in 2 weeks. They are going to distance and wear masks.  Should all folks working in grocery stores stay home as well?
I understand the going back to work thing equating to going back to school. But School<<>>grocery store...at least where I live. I'm not spending most of the day sitting in my grocery store with the same large group of other people. 

shadyridr said:
I wish we had the option to choose. I'd definitely choose 100% in person learning. His education is much too important for such a miniscule risk and remote learning was a huge fail for him last year. He's going into junior high school and has an IEP.
Man, the IEP thing is a big problem area that I haven't seen well addressed yet. These kids need their aids to help their schooling. We've all seen the remote learning was far from optimal in the spring, and for these kids...damn- I can't imagine, shady.

shadyridr said:
Not according to our experience 
Our daughters 3rd grade teacher, who took over from her normal teacher who took maternity leave literally the day schools went remote, was new and I'll equipped to do this. It was a Trainwreck with my wife doing everything. Son's jr high teachers were amazing. Still far from optimal, but as good as could have been expected given the emergency situation.

I'm hoping they have a better grasp on how to teach remotely in the fall.

shadyridr said:
nurses, doctors, factory workers,  warehouses 

All still working 
Nurses and doctors are handling the pandemic and health crisis. Are factory and warehouse workers still at 100% without social distancing? Asking, not rhetorical.

shadyridr said:
I disagree with you on teaching can be done remotely. Maybe in college. Good luck doing it in elementary school where a lot of kids can't afford the technology and parents are working two jobs and do not have time to help their child.
NYC gave every student who applied the tech- our school was 100% covered (eventually). But the parent time with kids is dead on.

CletiusMaximus said:
We had a 1 hour zoom presentation today and I have to say I am extremely pleased with my son's school's response.  They will have a full schedule. It will be completely voluntary whether kids attend in school or from home.  The teachers are using something called Swivl technology to present lessons, with the kids at home being able to interact with kids in the classroom.  Mandatory masks which the school provides (no sharing, no masks from home), but there are outside areas where the kids can remove masks and of course they can remove them for lunch. They are cleaning every night with some kind of anti-viral machines (Titan?).  Social distancing in the building, etc.  Sports and other extras are still a complete crap-shoot, but they are starting fall tryouts next week.
This got covered and I can't erase your post from my phone. Swivl sounds great, as does private school. 

 
I want my kids back in school 100%...for the education as well as social emotional component.

I also want the covid numbers to retreat.

Don't see how to integrate the two right now, when back to normal behavior appears to have pushed the curve back up. 

It sucks on all levels, but until the virus is contained or mitigated (treatment/vaccine), I don't see how 100% back to normal schooling or otherwise is possible.

 
The Miami-Dade school district laid out out 8 criteria that must be satisfied before schools open in-person:

1. A sustained COVID-19 positivity rate of less than 10%, trending toward 5%, for 14 days. Miami-Dade County is currently over 30%; one month ago, that figure was 6%.

2. A steady reduction in number of individuals hospitalized.

3. A sustained reduction in ICU bed occupancy.

4. A continuous reduced viral burden for 14 days with a decrease of virus-positive individuals.

5. An increase in viral specific COVID-19 test availability with decreased wait time.

6. A turnaround time for test results less than 48 hours.

7. An increase in quantity and quality of contract tracing.

8. Ensuring vaccinations for school-aged children. Carvalho said many parents who would’ve taken children for regular immunizations have not done so. He said the district is launching an awareness campaign.

We're not on track to meet those criteria by the schedule start of Aug 24, actually 1, 2, 3 and 4 are going in the wrong direction. The feds could help with  $$$ for better and more timely testing results, like they have for NBA players. 

 https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article244259577.html

 
One thing that needs to be put into any return to school plans is that all common teacher areas need to be shut down. No lounge. No lunchroom. No resource offices. 

The biggest risks will be teacher to teacher spreading. 

 
One thing that needs to be put into any return to school plans is that all common teacher areas need to be shut down. No lounge. No lunchroom. No resource offices. 

The biggest risks will be teacher to teacher spreading. 
They're way ahead of you on this one - those rooms would have other uses should a school open.

 
Ignoratio Elenchi said:
I saw an interesting suggestion somewhere recently.  Basically the idea was that all learning would be virtual, but if you need to send your kids to school you can, they'll be placed in a classroom and supervised while they do their virtual learning from there.  The actual teachers would teach remotely from their homes, while the school would be staffed with aides, etc. who maintain physical distancing and are just there to support and supervise the students.  That way no one has to go to the school if they don't feel safe doing so but it's still an option for families who need their kids to go to school so they can go back to work.  

I'm very fortunate that I can work from home indefinitely, and my wife and I are leaning towards keeping our kids (ages 6 and 9) home in the fall.  They did relatively well with at-home learning the last few months of the school year and they've maintained social activity through online video chats and small, safe-as-possible get togethers with friends. My wife is an elementary school teacher and she's nervous about going back to work in the fall, secretly hoping that they go entirely virtual to start the year but that seems unlikely.  It's really a tough decision for everyone involved. 
I'm going to try and get this ####show back on track...spit out the hook GB...you're just going to get "dunked on" hanging there   :lol:

To this post, our county is offering something like this, but in reverse.  The teacher is going to be in the classroom but the kids all at home.  I am sort of struggling to understand the point, but I guess this is a way for the teacher to be in the classroom using all the resources she normally would?  It doesn't solve the "parents who have to go to work" issue.  It DOES quell concern of teachers for it spreading to them.  Generally speaking though, it seems like the approach you lay out here is more advantageous.  

 
@Mr Anonymous and @parasaurolophus sorry I didn’t get back to you guys. 
The UTLA statement of policy never says that they won’t return it the police aren’t defunded (they also don’t define what that means) so as I wrote, the article that claims they do is slanted and wrong. 

That being said, if you want to argue that this particular teachers union is far to the left I would be forced to agree. But that doesn’t mean they’re wrong on the specific issue of refusing to return to work this fall. 

 
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I want my kids back in school 100%...for the education as well as social emotional component.

I also want the covid numbers to retreat.

Don't see how to integrate the two right now, when back to normal behavior appears to have pushed the curve back up. 

It sucks on all levels, but until the virus is contained or mitigated (treatment/vaccine), I don't see how 100% back to normal schooling or otherwise is possible.
Since you are in NYC, aren't your concerns about the covid numbers unwarranted?

 
I'm not really in the mood to defend the LA teachers union, but I think there's a pretty obvious way to interpret what they said - by reading the words they actually said in the paper rather than someone else's summary of it.  The point being, the OP said the union demanded that the city defund the police before their teachers would go back to work, but the paper he linked to doesn't say that.  Maybe its a veiled threat to strike, but if that is the point, I'd expect them to say so.
It's literally their list of demands if they're going to return to school and teach. Of course they're almost assuredly throwing a bunch of things in there that they are willing to drop. And the demand of police defunding is likely something they'd drop in a heartbeat if they got something else more important to them. The point is that these unions shouldn't have that kind of power to hold government hostage or dictate the use of taxpayer funds. No one should be okay with the LA Teacher's Union saying we'll return to work if you take taxpayer money from someone else and give it to us. What if the goofballs in government there say yes? 

 
@Mr Anonymous and @parasaurolophus sorry I didn’t get back to you guys. 
The UTLA statement of policy never says that they won’t return it the police aren’t defunded (they also don’t define what that means) so as I wrote, the article that claims they do is slanted and wrong. 

That being said, if you want to argue that this particular teachers union is far to the left I would be forced to agree. But that doesn’t mean they’re wrong on the specific issue of refusing to return to work this fall. 
Then stick to the real reason you don't think it's a good idea to return. If it's safety, then say that and leave it there. Don't wield your power to dictate where taxpayer money goes. That union has a ton of pull over government in that state and they're exploiting it by demanding (yes it is a list of demands) things that they have no right to demand.

 
Then stick to the real reason you don't think it's a good idea to return. If it's safety, then say that and leave it there. Don't wield your power to dictate where taxpayer money goes. That union has a ton of pull over government in that state and they're exploiting it by demanding (yes it is a list of demands) things that they have no right to demand.
They have a right to demand whatever they want to demand. 
But I agree that other stuff had no place in that letter. It’s typical though. 

 
To this post, our county is offering something like this, but in reverse.  The teacher is going to be in the classroom but the kids all at home.  I am sort of struggling to understand the point, but I guess this is a way for the teacher to be in the classroom using all the resources she normally would?  It doesn't solve the "parents who have to go to work" issue.  It DOES quell concern of teachers for it spreading to them.  Generally speaking though, it seems like the approach you lay out here is more advantageous.  
Yeah someone posted your county's approach as a suggestion in our local FB group.  I don't quite get the point, it seems like the primary concern to address is parents who have to go to work.  I'm fortunate to not be in that boat and virtual learning works fine for me, but it seems like t a fully-virtual experience in the fall is a complete non-starter for many. 

I like the idea of letting those students go to the school and do their virtual learning from there.  Teachers and all other students who can stay home, will stay home.  All students get (roughly) the same virtual learning experience.  Teachers would obviously have access to the school and all the resources they need, but otherwise the school would be staffed with (presumably young, low-risk) volunteers to maintain physical distancing and supervise.  I'm sure people can shoot holes in it but it seemed like a creative solution to a no-win situation and I've only seen it suggested once anywhere. 

 
Yeah someone posted your county's approach as a suggestion in our local FB group.  I don't quite get the point, it seems like the primary concern to address is parents who have to go to work.  I'm fortunate to not be in that boat and virtual learning works fine for me, but it seems like t a fully-virtual experience in the fall is a complete non-starter for many. 

I like the idea of letting those students go to the school and do their virtual learning from there.  Teachers and all other students who can stay home, will stay home.  All students get (roughly) the same virtual learning experience.  Teachers would obviously have access to the school and all the resources they need, but otherwise the school would be staffed with (presumably young, low-risk) volunteers to maintain physical distancing and supervise.  I'm sure people can shoot holes in it but it seemed like a creative solution to a no-win situation and I've only seen it suggested once anywhere. 
I guess if they really wanted to get creative...the kids could come to school and the teachers be in a completely different room OR walled off completely by plexiglass in the same room (think recording studio)  :lol:  

 
Then stick to the real reason you don't think it's a good idea to return. If it's safety, then say that
They did.  Then they said:

Implementing even a portion of COVID-19 best practices would require additional funding. The American Association of School Administrators (AASA) and the Association of School Business Officials (ASBO) estimates that the average school district would need to spend an additional $1.8 million to safely reopen school sites.e Extrapolating using the figures from the AASA/ASBO analysis, LAUSD’s total additional expenses to restart physical schools could be nearly $250 million. These estimates do not take into account measures to address the increased need for mental health and social services, the educational needs of children who may have fallen behind in the shift to crisis distance learning, regular testing of students and staff, or the long-term effects on students that will need to be addressed over multiple years. Finally, these costs do not include investments into distance learning, which will continue to be provided, either to all students under a full distance learning or hybrid model, or to a significant subset of students even under a full-time return to schools model... There is money to safely restart schools, if federal, state, and local governments are willing to finally prioritize pupils over plutocrats.
And then they provided a long list of ways this could be achieved.  Obviously you're personally opposed to redirecting police funds to education, but don't pretend that agencies fighting over what to do with taxpayer funds is some leftist conspiracy, that's how government works all the time. 

 
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They did.  Then they said:

And then they provided a long list of ways this could be achieved.  Obviously you're personally opposed to redirecting police funds to education, but don't pretend that agencies fighting over what to do with taxpayer funds is some leftist conspiracy, that's how government works all the time. 
How government work yes, not at dictation of unions though. They are exploiting the power they have as major contributors to political campaigns. This isn't even complicated. You're defending the indefensible.

 
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I guess if they really wanted to get creative...the kids could come to school and the teachers be in a completely different room OR walled off completely by plexiglass in the same room (think recording studio)  :lol:  
I just don't get the need for teachers to be physically in the building in that scenario.  If they're going to be in a different room or whatever, what difference does it make if that room is in the school or in the teacher's home?  Obviously someone needs to be there to effectively babysit the kids, but that doesn't need to be the teachers.  I'm trying to think if there are specific resources the teacher needs to do virtual teaching that only exist in the school and can't be transported to or replicated in the home - like maybe a chemistry teacher needs to be in their lab to teach chemistry effectively or something?  Just seems for most classes, if the teacher is going to be physically separated from the students anyway they may as well just stay home. 

 
I guess if they really wanted to get creative...the kids could come to school and the teachers be in a completely different room OR walled off completely by plexiglass in the same room (think recording studio)  :lol:  
It’s a challenge to get kids to do their work, pay attention, not harass each other, etc when I can walk right up to them, tap them on the shoulder, have a 1 on 1 talk, nice around the room, etc. If I’m in a plexiglas room, forget it. The teens will run the show.

 
Since you are in NYC, aren't your concerns about the covid numbers unwarranted?
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Because our numbers are lower now? 

The behavior I'm seeing in my hood and while out running in the rest of lower Manhattan and small parts of brooklyn doesn't give me the jumpy and quo that things will stay this way. And until there's adequate treatment/vaccine, going back to normal invites the risk of spread...negating all the hard work and sacrifices we've all done over the last months. I haven't seen anything to convince me that that concern isn't warranted. 

 
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Because our numbers are lower now? 

The behavior I'm seeing in my hood and while out running in the rest of lower Manhattan and small parts of brooklyn doesn't give me the jumpy and quo that things will stay this way. And until there's adequate treatment/vaccine, going back to normal invites the risk of spread...negating all the hard work and sacrifices we've all done over the last months. I haven't seen anything to convince me that that concern isn't warranted. 
Yeah, Michigan was doing great a month ago and now Whitmer has warned us that we are quickly going backwards and it’s seriously putting in person school in jeopardy. I’m reducing my interactions even more this next month hoping to do my part but I feel rather pessimistic honestly.

 
@Mr Anonymous and @parasaurolophus sorry I didn’t get back to you guys. 
The UTLA statement of policy never says that they won’t return it the police aren’t defunded (they also don’t define what that means) so as I wrote, the article that claims they do is slanted and wrong. 

That being said, if you want to argue that this particular teachers union is far to the left I would be forced to agree. But that doesn’t mean they’re wrong on the specific issue of refusing to return to work this fall. 
They literally said they were necessary conditions. Although i guess in this world of freely redefining words, necessary might mean something else.

 
NYC just sent out another survey. We have until AUg 7 to determine if our student will be 100% remote or blended. I chose blended.

 
If schools go back and say you have 15 6th graders in a classroom, wearing masks with desks spaced 6 feet apart, and one kid tests positive, what happens? Of course that kid has to self-quarantine, but what about all the other kids in the classroom?  Do they have to go get tested and self-quarantine until the results come back?  And what if that Covid-positive student switches classes with a mix of students during the day? Now instead of 14 other kids, you have a multiple of that. How are schools proposing to handle the situation when students start testing positive?

 
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fwiw, here's the latest from the NYC DOE (emailed yesterday, 7/15): ( @shadyridr... they talk about IEPs, but not really clear)

they haven't addressed at all how they're dealing with Middle School and High School admissions for public schools- typically based on attendance, state test scores and grades (at a minimum). 

Return to School 2020: Critical Information
Overall Guidance
 The 2020-21 school year will start in September 2020. We will announce details about the first day of
school in the coming weeks.
 NYC students will be learning 5 days a week, whether in-person in school buildings or remotely at
home.
 We are maximizing in-person instruction as much as possible given health and safety guidance, which
includes social distancing. Students will return in either a blended learning model (a combination of
remote learning from home, and in-person instruction in school buildings), or a fully remote learning
model from home, if you so choose.
 Health officials have made clear that following basic safety protocols are key to reducing the spread of
COVID-19: social distancing, face coverings (masks), handwashing, and staying home when sick.
Developing Your Child’s Schedule
As of now, given current health and safety guidance, we will not be able to have 100% of students present in a
school building on any given day. You should expect to hear from your school in August regarding your child’s
specific schedule.
Under the blended learning model, students will be taught on-site in school buildings for part of the week, and
will learn remotely from home on the other days of the week.
 Schools will choose a schedule from a limited number of models that take into account the space
constraints of their school buildings, and that prioritize consistency for parents and students in their
scheduling.
 You can expect your child or children to be in school one to two consistent days per week, with
additional in-person days on a rotating schedule based on groups or cohorts of students.
 Schools will make every effort to safely conduct as much instruction in-person as possible, and your
principal will communicate your child’s schedule with you in August.
We know that there are families who may not feel comfortable going back into school buildings in the fall. You
can elect to choose all-remote learning for your child; a web form will be shared with you on July 15 that will
allow you to select that preference by August 7.
Families who have chosen fully remote learning at the
beginning of the school year will be allowed to transition back into in-person instruction on a quarterly basis.
Once the school year begins, families can choose to go fully remote at any time.
New Health and Safety Protocols
 All people (including students and adults) in a school building should remain at least 6 feet apart at all
times, including in classrooms, common areas, and during lunch periods.

Face coverings will be required for all students, staff, and visitors while inside buildings. Disposable
face coverings will be provided to students and staff who need them.
o Exceptions will be made for those who cannot wear masks for developmental reasons, including
based on their age.


 Students and staff will have increased access to handwashing and sanitizer. Schools will be supplied
with additional cleaning supplies, including hand sanitizer and disinfectant wipes.
 All schools will identify a space to be equipped as an Isolation Room in the event a student or staff
member becomes ill while at school.
 Our buildings will be deep-cleaned on a nightly basis with electrostatic disinfectant sprayers, and HVAC
systems are being upgraded to ensure better ventilation.
Equity and Excellence: Our Continued Commitment
Our vision of educational equity and excellence for all students persists even during this time of crisis. We are
laser focused on helping your child achieve academic excellence by providing key academic, social-emotional,

and other supports to unlock their full potential to learn—no matter who they are. We remain focused on high-
quality, tailored instruction for every student. In addition, here is some of what we will do to help our children

reach their highest potential:
 We will allow time for students to readjust to being in school buildings, and to adapt to changes.
 We will integrate social-emotional learning and trauma-informed care into core academic instruction,
and all New York City public schools will prioritize access to mental health supports throughout the
2020-2021 school year.

 For students with IEPs, this fall we will continue to offer in-person services to all who opt to receive in-
person services to the greatest extent possible.


 Multilingual learners will receive an instructional program that will ensure continued progress in both
their language development and content area knowledge.
Keeping You Informed
As we finalize plans for a school year like no other in our history, we know how important it is that our
students, families, and staff have the information they need to prepare. We know that for each piece of
information we are providing, more questions can emerge. Please visit the Return to School 2020 webpage at
schools.nyc.gov/returntoschool2020 on a regular basis for the latest updates.
Throughout the summer we will continue to engage with families, students, and community leaders—both
centrally through the DOE and within each school community.
 Centrally, the DOE will host a series of online Family & Student Information Sessions to answer any
questions or concerns that families may have. The first of these will be held on July 16. More details and
a full calendar will be available at schools.nyc.gov/returntoschool2020.
 We will be convening community and advocate roundtable meetings, briefings with elected officials and
Community Education Council leaders, and more.
 Specific guidance will be coming soon for families with children enrolled in CBO-based early childhood
programs.

schools.nyc.gov/returntoschool2020
 
I just don't get the need for teachers to be physically in the building in that scenario.  If they're going to be in a different room or whatever, what difference does it make if that room is in the school or in the teacher's home?  Obviously someone needs to be there to effectively babysit the kids, but that doesn't need to be the teachers.  I'm trying to think if there are specific resources the teacher needs to do virtual teaching that only exist in the school and can't be transported to or replicated in the home - like maybe a chemistry teacher needs to be in their lab to teach chemistry effectively or something?  Just seems for most classes, if the teacher is going to be physically separated from the students anyway they may as well just stay home. 
I'm with you.  The only thing I can think of is perhaps they have some technology in the classroom that they'd like to utilize or even a black/white board etc?  The babysitters at that point could be just about anyone...substitutes, whatever.  So I sort of see that, but it's still exposing people..HEY LOOK!!!  We're (you and me) creating a hierarchy of "importance" :lmao:    It's a truly F'd up time we're living in.

 
It’s a challenge to get kids to do their work, pay attention, not harass each other, etc when I can walk right up to them, tap them on the shoulder, have a 1 on 1 talk, nice around the room, etc. If I’m in a plexiglas room, forget it. The teens will run the show.
What?  I'm pretty confident that pounding on the glass and shaking your finger while yelling "Don't make me come in there!!!!" will do the trick...gotta give a little effort GB!!!

 
fwiw, here's the latest from the NYC DOE (emailed yesterday, 7/15): ( @shadyridr... they talk about IEPs, but not really clear)

they haven't addressed at all how they're dealing with Middle School and High School admissions for public schools- typically based on attendance, state test scores and grades (at a minimum). 
I just skimmed this, but I didn’t see anything about the protocols when an in-class student tests positive. 

 
If schools go back and say you have 15 6th graders in a classroom, wearing masks with desks spaced 6 feet apart, and one kid tests positive, what happens? Of course that kid has to self-quarantine, but what about all the other kids in the classroom?  Do they have to go get tested and self-quarantine until the results come back?  And what if that Covid-positive student switches classes with a mix of students during the day? Now instead of 14 other kids, you have a multiple of that. How are schools proposing to handle the situation when students start testing positive?
This is the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about.  I've had three separate conversations with the principal at my kids' school and they can't answer it.  What you outline above is what should absolutely happen and the kids should be provided their materials for those weeks so they don't fall behind.  If it gets bad enough the school needs to flip to "online only" and move forward the rest of the semester that way....all of this is IMO of course.

 
I'm going to try and get this ####show back on track...spit out the hook GB...you're just going to get "dunked on" hanging there   :lol:

To this post, our county is offering something like this, but in reverse.  The teacher is going to be in the classroom but the kids all at home.  I am sort of struggling to understand the point, but I guess this is a way for the teacher to be in the classroom using all the resources she normally would?  It doesn't solve the "parents who have to go to work" issue.  It DOES quell concern of teachers for it spreading to them.  Generally speaking though, it seems like the approach you lay out here is more advantageous.  
I personally think the teacher physically in class rather than an aide is a better use of limited resources.   If hypothetically 25% of kids need to come in you're literally going to need dozens of aides per school when your existing teachers can fill that role.  That might stretch them a little thin in the beginning, but hopefully once all the kinks get smoothed out and the kids get used to the routine, the kids can self manage for the most part and the teachers can just teach.  

 
I just skimmed this, but I didn’t see anything about the protocols when an in-class student tests positive. 
I can't find it or remember whether it came from our specific school or the DOE, but a previous email mentioned having an isolated refuge room dedicated to kids/staff showing symptoms during the school day. But that doesn't answer the other questions you raised about what happens to the classmates and staff exposed before the person is sent to the room.

Daughter's elem. School has a dedicated full service health clinic on site. Son's jr high doesn't even have a nurse in the building.

 
This is the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about.  I've had three separate conversations with the principal at my kids' school and they can't answer it.  What you outline above is what should absolutely happen and the kids should be provided their materials for those weeks so they don't fall behind.  If it gets bad enough the school needs to flip to "online only" and move forward the rest of the semester that way....all of this is IMO of course.
They understandably don't want to talk about it with the public, but I'd be shocked if there is not an action plan behind the scenes. And from what I've gleaned it's pretty much as both you and @bigbottom described - he from a procedural perspective and you from a preparedness (seamlessly flipping to online). Minimizing student movement throughout the day is being emphasized with this in mind, but middle and high school were not designed to keep students stationary. 

 
They understandably don't want to talk about it with the public, but I'd be shocked if there is not an action plan behind the scenes. And from what I've gleaned it's pretty much as both you and @bigbottom described - he from a procedural perspective and you from a preparedness (seamlessly flipping to online). Minimizing student movement throughout the day is being emphasized with this in mind, but middle and high school were not designed to keep students stationary. 
Agreed...and to the bold, my kids' school is K-8.  It is all the same three buildings, but ht elementary kids don't change classrooms already unless it's going to art, music, PE etc.  It's different for my oldest.  He moves from one class to the next.  I haven't been to the school to see for myself yet, but they say they have "one direction" halls for them to navigate to try and mitigate the risk.  Of course my son's first question was "what happens if I have a class two doors down to the right and I can only make a left out of my classroom...do I have to go all the way around the loop?"  Kid's pretty intuitive :lol:  

 
Agreed...and to the bold, my kids' school is K-8.  It is all the same three buildings, but ht elementary kids don't change classrooms already unless it's going to art, music, PE etc.  It's different for my oldest.  He moves from one class to the next.  I haven't been to the school to see for myself yet, but they say they have "one direction" halls for them to navigate to try and mitigate the risk.  Of course my son's first question was "what happens if I have a class two doors down to the right and I can only make a left out of my classroom...do I have to go all the way around the loop?"  Kid's pretty intuitive :lol:  
This reminds me, won't be the case everywhere but unless you've already received information related to it I think it'd be wise to prepare as if these will not be a part of the 2020-21 curriculum. The reason the public doesn't know about it is likely because those actual teachers don't know yet.

 
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This reminds me, won't be the case everywhere but unless you've received information to the contrary it'd be wise to prepare as if these will not be a part of the 2020-21 curriculum. The reason the public doesn't know about it is likely because those actual teachers don't know yet.
Stinks, but probably best to scrap those.   Could use those teachers as aides if they went with the model of certain kids coming in that can't do virtual learning.   

 
Stinks, but probably best to scrap those.   Could use those teachers as aides if they went with the model of certain kids coming in that can't do virtual learning.   
In the bubbles that I am connected with there will be an effort to retain them in some manner and that specific idea is on the table. The adapted model will be the biggest factor in determining their specific role, but operating within budget constraints will be a deal breaker for a meaningful numbers of schools.

 
This reminds me, won't be the case everywhere but unless you've received information to the contrary it'd be wise to prepare as if these will not be a part of the 2020-21 curriculum. The reason the public doesn't know about it is likely because those actual teachers don't know yet.
Stinks, but probably best to scrap those.   Could use those teachers as aides if they went with the model of certain kids coming in that can't do virtual learning.   
Hadn't considered it, but not doing them would free up a good bit of teaching space at my kids' school.  They are heavily invested in many different classes kids can take outside of reading, writing and math.  If they didn't do anything but the "basics" they'd free up close to half the classrooms in the school (my estimate).

 
If schools go back and say you have 15 6th graders in a classroom, wearing masks with desks spaced 6 feet apart, and one kid tests positive, what happens? Of course that kid has to self-quarantine, but what about all the other kids in the classroom?  Do they have to go get tested and self-quarantine until the results come back?  And what if that Covid-positive student switches classes with a mix of students during the day? Now instead of 14 other kids, you have a multiple of that. How are schools proposing to handle the situation when students start testing positive?
Not sure what the in-school policies will be, but more and more kids are testing positive in our district since sports started back up. When someone tests positive, they send out letters to everyone on the team and that sport shuts down and its recommended that all the kids quarantine. The kids are not required to get tested. Seems about half do and half dont. 

As you can imagine in today's world, word spreads like wildfire when a HS kid tests positive. I guess this could be viewed as a good thing in this case.  :shrug:

 
CIF announcement regarding their decision on the sports schedule is coming out on Monday - some "leaks" indicate that they most likely plan that is going to be announced is a push back of all sports with a heavily modified schedule -  Essentially all fal lsports would be played January-February - league only, heavily reduced Section/State playoffs is any at all, Winter sports would run March-April, same limitations, then Spring Sports run May-June.

 
Not sure what the in-school policies will be, but more and more kids are testing positive in our district since sports started back up. When someone tests positive, they send out letters to everyone on the team and that sport shuts down and its recommended that all the kids quarantine. The kids are not required to get tested. Seems about half do and half dont. 

As you can imagine in today's world, word spreads like wildfire when a HS kid tests positive. I guess this could be viewed as a good thing in this case.  :shrug:
Except those rumors are often inaccurate.  A member of my son's football team was found to have had close contact with a positive person (turns out it was the kids father), and they shut down the workouts.  Within a half hour of the news that practices were cancelled for the week, my son heard 4 different names of who it supposedly was...one of the names was him.

 
Regarding return to school, it's obvious that the older you get , the more difficult to establish something that allows social distancing and also the variety of classes/course levels.

Talking with some administrators recently (high school level), and one major issue they are running into is with any sort of approach where some kids are online, some are at school and any semblance of social distancing/reducing class sizes is in place, it is critical that they know what students will be onsite, etc. It would be difficult to do something like work out schedules where say freshman only are on campus at certain times, sophomores at a different time etc.,  because you may have for example an AP History class comprised of Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors - and you need to know of the students taking that class, am I figuring out how to accommodate 30 students on campus, 8 students on campus, how many online, etc. -all of those affect what days/times students would need to be on campus and also staffing plans (on site teacher, online teacher, etc.)

I do not envy the position they are in.  Definitely a bit easier to devise plans for elementary students where for the most part they are not changing classrooms, a bit more difficult but likely feasible at a junior high where there is still classroom changing but a lot fewer moving parts than a high school.

 
Except those rumors are often inaccurate.  A member of my son's football team was found to have had close contact with a positive person (turns out it was the kids father), and they shut down the workouts.  Within a half hour of the news that practices were cancelled for the week, my son heard 4 different names of who it supposedly was...one of the names was him.
And those rumors spread almost as fast, if not faster and just as inaccurately,  through the Karen's..... I mean parents....

 
I personally think the teacher physically in class rather than an aide is a better use of limited resources.   If hypothetically 25% of kids need to come in you're literally going to need dozens of aides per school when your existing teachers can fill that role.  
I was admittedly thinking of this in the context of elementary schools, where (at least here) there are already a bunch of aides employed in the school.  They could retain their positions by volunteering to supervise the students that opt for in-school virtual learning.  But I guess that's not applicable to the higher grades.  You could potentially retain / hire from the pool of lunch ladies, substitutes, (possibly furloughed) art, music, PE teachers, etc.  Dunno, it's not a foolproof solution but it's an attempt to find a middle ground where students AND staff who want or need to go to the school can, while the rest don't have to, and allows teachers to provide a single cohesive educational experience for all students.  

 
I was admittedly thinking of this in the context of elementary schools, where (at least here) there are already a bunch of aides employed in the school.  They could retain their positions by volunteering to supervise the students that opt for in-school virtual learning.  But I guess that's not applicable to the higher grades.  You could potentially retain / hire from the pool of lunch ladies, substitutes, (possibly furloughed) art, music, PE teachers, etc.  Dunno, it's not a foolproof solution but it's an attempt to find a middle ground where students AND staff who want or need to go to the school can, while the rest don't have to, and allows teachers to provide a single cohesive educational experience for all students.  
Yeah,   I see what you're saying at the elementary level.   The more I think about it and the more I read what other's are saying here, the more I think going all virtual is probably the best way to go.    Once someone brought up the inevitable of a kid testing positive, you're pretty much going all virtual for a couple of weeks at that point and the chances of that happening repeatedly are pretty high.   Use the schools and whatever mixture of people to act as aides for those people that have no other option but to send their kids in.   

 
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Yeah,   I see what you're saying at the elementary level.   The more I think about it and the more I read what other's are saying here, the more I think going all virtual is probably the best way to go.    Once someone brought up the inevitable of a kid testing positive, you're pretty much going all virtual for a couple of weeks at that point and the chances of that happening repeatedly are pretty high.   Use the schools and whatever mixture of people to acts as aids for those people that have no other option but to send their kids in.   
I still stand by all virtual for something like middle and high school. Then use all resources to try to provide safe in person school for the younger kids. 

 
I still stand by all virtual for something like middle and high school. Then use all resources to try to provide safe in person school for the younger kids. 
I can see the benefits of that.   Much easier to separate those kids into their own groups so if one gets sick you don't have to quarantine the whole school.   You could probably use some of the middle and high school space to provide betting social distancing.   Those kids are probably the most demanding on parents in regards to managing their virtual routine at home.   

 

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