Cowboys Release TO (1 Viewer)

[Native]

Washington makes the most sense

1) They need a big WR to complement Moss

2) They love to spend money on big-name FA's

3) Owens would love to play Dallas (and Phili) twice a year

Chicago is my darkhorse team.

 

[Native]

Giants have "zero" interest in troubled WR Terrell Owens according to source

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...roubled_wr.html

 

[Avery]

Giants have "zero" interest in troubled WR Terrell Owens according to source

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...roubled_wr.html

Which emoticon do I use for "a huge sign of relief"?

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Once a problem, I'll give em a second chance. Twice a problem, I'll consider but be wary. Thrice a problem, not a chance.

This guy is a turd. Always was, always will be. SF, Phil, Dal.....I pity the next OC that has to game plan to keep this baby happy instead of game planning to win.

 

[Dexter Manley]

TO is good, but he was a cancer. Look for Dallas to come together and have great chemistry which should lead them well into the playoffs.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Giants have "zero" interest in troubled WR Terrell Owens according to source

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...roubled_wr.html

Which emoticon do I use for "a huge sign of relief"?

 

[Jeremy]

When he signed in Dallas the fans, almost with one voice proclaimed how it would be different there, and that anyone who said otherwise was a hater.Now I find no Dallas fans who even remember tht they had once said so.Predictable really, and not wholly unique to Dallas fans.

Yeah, Philly fans were the same way (although at that time he'd only destroyed the one team, so that can be forgiven). What's really funny is that it'll be the same thing again with the fans of wherever he ends up.

 

[qazqaz11]

As per PFT the Skins have no interest in TO either. Looks like TO's options just keep shrinking.

 

[Bankerguy]

When he signed in Dallas the fans, almost with one voice proclaimed how it would be different there, and that anyone who said otherwise was a hater.

Now I find no Dallas fans who even remember tht they had once said so.

Predictable really, and not wholly unique to Dallas fans.

I love that of all the speculation so far in this thread that I have seen no speculation that he might latch on with my favorite team.

Flat out BS statement.

 

[yoda]

No team is going to move quickly, who buys a stock during it's crash, (see citi group). After the usual suitors say no, look for a team with a solid coach and front office that can get to the SB in one year. I can only think of 1 team, NE.

 

[Gatorman]

No team is going to move quickly, who buys a stock during it's crash, (see citi group). After the usual suitors say no, look for a team with a solid coach and front office that can get to the SB in one year. I can only think of 1 team, NE.

I would not completely discount Miami from the conversation, either. Parcells knows how to deal with people. I am not hoping for this, simply saying I would not be shocked if TO ended up on south beach.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I haven't read every post in this thread, but anyone who thinks there's any chance he lands in Minny needs a reality check. That will happen about the same time I start dating Jessica Alba.

Wrt FF, that sound you hear is Romo's value crashing. While TO was obviously a cancer, no one on offense was close to being as valuable as TO outside of Romo. Witten's value takes a hit too, although he still has as good of shot as anyone at finishing TE1. Roy will put up much better #'s obviously, but he will be overvalued in most leagues. Expect the Cowboy's running game to take a hit too.

For those who disagree with my assessment, go back to weeks 16 and 17 in 2007 after TO got injured late in the 2nd quarter in the Carolina game. The offense basically shut down without TO. Teams will now primarily gameplan around stopping Witten and the running game. For all the negative behavior TO exhibited, he was still the most dangerous offensive weapon on the Cowboys. His presence opened that whole offense up. Unless Dallas makes a major move for another elite wr, I will be very surprised to see them end up in the top 10 in offense this season.

 

[Phurfur]

No team is going to move quickly, who buys a stock during it's crash, (see citi group). After the usual suitors say no, look for a team with a solid coach and front office that can get to the SB in one year. I can only think of 1 team, NE.

I would not completely discount Miami from the conversation, either. Parcells knows how to deal with people. I am not hoping for this, simply saying I would not be shocked if TO ended up on south beach.

This will NEVER happen. Are you forgetting why Parcells left Dallas?

 

[texasbirdfan]

When he signed in Dallas the fans, almost with one voice proclaimed how it would be different there, and that anyone who said otherwise was a hater.

Now I find no Dallas fans who even remember tht they had once said so.

Predictable really, and not wholly unique to Dallas fans.

I love that of all the speculation so far in this thread that I have seen no speculation that he might latch on with my favorite team.

Flat out BS statement.

BS agreed. Live here. Not a fan of the 'Boys though. There was a huge group including ex-players who felt disrespected when they signed Owens.

 

[Couch Potato]

All the guesses so far are wrong.

TO will end up with the Browns. Winslow is gone, and Braylon, who knows what's happening with him. There's no WR on the other side worth a diddle (Stallworth, Steptoe, Jurevivius, Cribbs etc.). New coach and GM want to turn things around and win now (as does owner Lerner). I'm sure they are full of themselves starting fresh with a new team.and believe thay can manage TO.

Is he a good fit with Mangini personality-wise? Hell no! That's what's gonna make it so much fun!

TO to Cleveland, mark it down.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Really looks like there aren't going to be many options for T.O. in the near future. I agree with the idea that NE could handle his personality, BB just seems to override everything there and has total control. NYG, Minnesota, Philly, San Fran, this guy has burnt a lot of bridges.

 

[Raider Nation]

It's official. Each of the other 31 teams have now been mentioned as potential T.O. suitors.

G'night everybody!

 

[parrot]

All the guesses so far are wrong.TO will end up with the Browns. Winslow is gone, and Braylon, who knows what's happening with him. There's no WR on the other side worth a diddle (Stallworth, Steptoe, Jurevivius, Cribbs etc.). New coach and GM want to turn things around and win now (as does owner Lerner). I'm sure they are full of themselves starting fresh with a new team.and believe thay can manage TO. Is he a good fit with Mangini personality-wise? Hell no! That's what's gonna make it so much fun!TO to Cleveland, mark it down.

Braylon and Owens might catch up a few extra catches on ricochets that go off the other guy's hands.

 

[Raider Nation]

Hahahahhaa

Edit by Jason Wood: Here is the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3953647

wow, just wow

Having a link in the OP is never a bad thing.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

It's official. Each of the other 31 teams have now been mentioned as potential T.O. suitors.

G'night everybody!

Pretty sure he'll resign with the Cowboys.

Fin

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Best spot for him as far as need would be Tennessee or Oakland.I wouldn't be surprised if the Raiders end up with him.

I think TO wants to win though and I think he's smart enough to know that it won't happen in Oakland. I look for him to go to a playoff team. It would also be a pretty typical Daniel Snyder move to overpay for a big name, so maybe Washington will be a factor.

You've also got to take the "cancer" aspect that TO brings.Dude has a lot of baggage, the very worst kind, imo.... total selfishness.Not many teams want to bring that noise into the locker room.

Terrell Owens-WR-Cowboys Mar. 5 - 10:57 am et After calling around the league, ESPN's Chris Mortensen says the Redskins, Vikings, and Ravens are all very unlikely to show interest in Terrell Owens.Mort was definitive with the Redskins, saying "No way." Owens clashed with Vikings coach Brad Childress in Philly, and Ravens coach John Harbaugh was there as well. Both saw how divisive Owens could be up close, and reportedly want no part of him. With early reports suggesting the New York teams as unlikely landing spots, Oakland looks like the most logical destination.

 

[Couch Potato]

I have a friend who is a scout with the Raiders.

I asked him a couple weeks ago whether the Raiders would be interested in TO if he was released by Dallas. In his opinion, the answer was a clear "NO" and it was not just his opinion, but that of the organization. Take it for what it's worth.

He mentioned the Moss situation a couple years ago, and Davis doesn't want another malcontented diva. And the Javon fiasco hasn't helped either.

 

[Raider Nation]

Only question now is does he get Tim Brown's number?

 

[Jeremy]

All the guesses so far are wrong.TO will end up with the Browns. Winslow is gone, and Braylon, who knows what's happening with him. There's no WR on the other side worth a diddle (Stallworth, Steptoe, Jurevivius, Cribbs etc.). New coach and GM want to turn things around and win now (as does owner Lerner). I'm sure they are full of themselves starting fresh with a new team.and believe thay can manage TO. Is he a good fit with Mangini personality-wise? Hell no! That's what's gonna make it so much fun!TO to Cleveland, mark it down.

No team with a young and/or unproven QB is going to sign T.O. Are they really going to put Brady Quinn through that?

 

[fatness]

PFT's list of teams who say they are not interested in Owens. The current list:

The Dallas Cowboys. (Duh.)

The New York Giants.

The Washington Redskins.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Unless Owens somehow latches on to a team that ends up winning it all (although what contending team in their right mind would sign this cancer?), he can kiss the Hall of Fame goodbye. I don't care how good his numbers are...voters are not going to let a guy in who wore out his welcome with three different teams to the point where they all either released or traded him.

I'm not a hof voter but if I were I'd vote TO in without blinking an eyelash. He didn't cheat, and he didn't gamble, and he didn't do anything to make us as fans question the legitimacy of his numbers. Butkus and Sayers are the first to come to mind as examples of the PFHOF allowing for individual accomplishment to compensate for lackluster team achievement when taking into consideration the merits of a players hof credentials. TO's numbers are soo outstanding that disregarding them so as not to allow him entrance as a member because he may have had a detrimental effect on his teams performance marks the institution as illegitimate based on it's mission and historical record. I can't picture a scenario where TO is not voted into the HOF on his first try.

You're joking, right? Even if the voters do let Owens in, NO WAY does he made it in on his first try. They'll likely make him wait a long time before letting him in. Also, your Butkus and Sayers comparisons are not valid. People are not going to keep him out because of lack of team achievement; they are gonna keep him out because he has been a cancer in the locker room of every team he has ever played for. I just said that he could still make it if he ends up on a winning team, as that might take the negative team light off of him a bit for some, if he were to some day be a part of a SB-winning team. I can't see a real contender taking the chance of letting Owens destroy their chances, though. And remember: When it comes to the Hall of Fame, numbers are not everything.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Hahahahhaa



Edit by Jason Wood: Here is the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3953647

wow, just wow

I see this phrase all the time now at the Shark Pool. Does it rank up there with "It's just a ploy......to motivate....you know who?".

 

[Moe Green]

T.O. is a punk and a cancer but bottom line, the Cowboys are worse off without him.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Page 5 is probably too late for "suicide watch" jokes huh.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

All the guesses so far are wrong.TO will end up with the Browns. Winslow is gone, and Braylon, who knows what's happening with him. There's no WR on the other side worth a diddle (Stallworth, Steptoe, Jurevivius, Cribbs etc.). New coach and GM want to turn things around and win now (as does owner Lerner). I'm sure they are full of themselves starting fresh with a new team.and believe thay can manage TO. Is he a good fit with Mangini personality-wise? Hell no! That's what's gonna make it so much fun!TO to Cleveland, mark it down.

Braylon and Owens might catch up a few extra catches on ricochets that go off the other guy's hands.

Wait, are you insinuating that those two have good hands?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I have a friend who is a scout with the Raiders.I asked him a couple weeks ago whether the Raiders would be interested in TO if he was released by Dallas. In his opinion, the answer was a clear "NO" and it was not just his opinion, but that of the organization. Take it for what it's worth.He mentioned the Moss situation a couple years ago, and Davis doesn't want another malcontented diva. And the Javon fiasco hasn't helped either.

Actually I think how Moss flourished with Nee England after leaving Oaklandwill give Big Al some food for thought. Don't be surprised if he pulls the trigger on Owens.

 

[Bankerguy]

It's official. Each of the other 31 teams have now been mentioned as potential T.O. suitors.

G'night everybody!

Pretty sure he'll resign with the Cowboys.

Fin

So, we waste 9 million. Then pay another 600k to release him, all to re sign him at 5-7 million.Oh right. Thanks, that clears up everything.

 

[Jeremy]

T.O. is a punk and a cancer but bottom line, the Cowboys are worse off without him.

We'll see. It might make Romo a better QB. I remember when Sterling Sharpe suffered a career ending injury in his prime, and everyone thought the Packers had been dealt a crushing blow. Without him, Favre was forced to spread the ball around and that's when he really came into his own, and the Packers became a superbowl contender. The Giants got better after Shockey suffered his season ending injury the year they won the Superbowl. Sometimes not having that loadmouth demanding the ball all the time actually helps an offense.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

It's official. Each of the other 31 teams have now been mentioned as potential T.O. suitors.

G'night everybody!

Pretty sure he'll resign with the Cowboys.

Fin

So, we waste 9 million. Then pay another 600k to release him, all to re sign him at 5-7 million.Oh right. Thanks, that clears up everything.

In other news, the Cowboys also released Bankerguy's funny bone and sarcasm meter, all at a savings of $23.68 against the cap.

 

[Couch Potato]

I have a friend who is a scout with the Raiders.I asked him a couple weeks ago whether the Raiders would be interested in TO if he was released by Dallas. In his opinion, the answer was a clear "NO" and it was not just his opinion, but that of the organization. Take it for what it's worth.He mentioned the Moss situation a couple years ago, and Davis doesn't want another malcontented diva. And the Javon fiasco hasn't helped either.

Actually I think how Moss flourished with Nee England after leaving Oaklandwill give Big Al some food for thought. Don't be surprised if he pulls the trigger on Owens.

Good thing we have message board guys to lend a hand. I'll be sure to tell the Raiders scout and set him and the organization straight on how Al will think on this.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I have a friend who is a scout with the Raiders.I asked him a couple weeks ago whether the Raiders would be interested in TO if he was released by Dallas. In his opinion, the answer was a clear "NO" and it was not just his opinion, but that of the organization. Take it for what it's worth.He mentioned the Moss situation a couple years ago, and Davis doesn't want another malcontented diva. And the Javon fiasco hasn't helped either.

Actually I think how Moss flourished with Nee England after leaving Oaklandwill give Big Al some food for thought. Don't be surprised if he pulls the trigger on Owens.

Good thing we have message board guys to lend a hand. I'll be sure to tell the Raiders scout and set him straight on how Al will think on this.

The only food for thought that Al is having nowadays is about tapioca pudding.

 

[parrot]

All the guesses so far are wrong.TO will end up with the Browns. Winslow is gone, and Braylon, who knows what's happening with him. There's no WR on the other side worth a diddle (Stallworth, Steptoe, Jurevivius, Cribbs etc.). New coach and GM want to turn things around and win now (as does owner Lerner). I'm sure they are full of themselves starting fresh with a new team.and believe thay can manage TO. Is he a good fit with Mangini personality-wise? Hell no! That's what's gonna make it so much fun!TO to Cleveland, mark it down.

Braylon and Owens might catch up a few extra catches on ricochets that go off the other guy's hands.

Wait, are you insinuating that those two have good hands?

No, I was trying to make a joke about their hands. I think I failed horribly.

 

[fissure man]

I haven't read every post in this thread, but anyone who thinks there's any chance he lands in Minny needs a reality check. That will happen about the same time I start dating Jessica Alba.Wrt FF, that sound you hear is Romo's value crashing. While TO was obviously a cancer, no one on offense was close to being as valuable as TO outside of Romo. Witten's value takes a hit too, although he still has as good of shot as anyone at finishing TE1. Roy will put up much better #'s obviously, but he will be overvalued in most leagues. Expect the Cowboy's running game to take a hit too.For those who disagree with my assessment, go back to weeks 16 and 17 in 2007 after TO got injured late in the 2nd quarter in the Carolina game. The offense basically shut down without TO. Teams will now primarily gameplan around stopping Witten and the running game. For all the negative behavior TO exhibited, he was still the most dangerous offensive weapon on the Cowboys. His presence opened that whole offense up. Unless Dallas makes a major move for another elite wr, I will be very surprised to see them end up in the top 10 in offense this season.

A Redskins fan predicting doom and gloom for the Cowboys. Shocking.And you've been one of the more biased Redskin fans over the years. Get outta here with that trash.

 

[puckalicious]

Unless Owens somehow latches on to a team that ends up winning it all (although what contending team in their right mind would sign this cancer?), he can kiss the Hall of Fame goodbye. I don't care how good his numbers are...voters are not going to let a guy in who wore out his welcome with three different teams to the point where they all either released or traded him.

I'm not a hof voter but if I were I'd vote TO in without blinking an eyelash. He didn't cheat, and he didn't gamble, and he didn't do anything to make us as fans question the legitimacy of his numbers. Butkus and Sayers are the first to come to mind as examples of the PFHOF allowing for individual accomplishment to compensate for lackluster team achievement when taking into consideration the merits of a players hof credentials. TO's numbers are soo outstanding that disregarding them so as not to allow him entrance as a member because he may have had a detrimental effect on his teams performance marks the institution as illegitimate based on it's mission and historical record. I can't picture a scenario where TO is not voted into the HOF on his first try.

You're joking, right? Even if the voters do let Owens in, NO WAY does he made it in on his first try. They'll likely make him wait a long time before letting him in. Also, your Butkus and Sayers comparisons are not valid. People are not going to keep him out because of lack of team achievement; they are gonna keep him out because he has been a cancer in the locker room of every team he has ever played for. I just said that he could still make it if he ends up on a winning team, as that might take the negative team light off of him a bit for some, if he were to some day be a part of a SB-winning team. I can't see a real contender taking the chance of letting Owens destroy their chances, though. And remember: When it comes to the Hall of Fame, numbers are not everything.

Seeing as how TO's (regular season) career blows Irvin's out of the water, and Irvin had WAY more off-field issues, it's pretty obvious TO is a lead pipe lock to make it in the HOF. First ballot? Maybe not, but I'm pretty sure it'll be quicker than Irvin's 3rd year of eligibility.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Unless Owens somehow latches on to a team that ends up winning it all (although what contending team in their right mind would sign this cancer?), he can kiss the Hall of Fame goodbye. I don't care how good his numbers are...voters are not going to let a guy in who wore out his welcome with three different teams to the point where they all either released or traded him.

I'm not a hof voter but if I were I'd vote TO in without blinking an eyelash. He didn't cheat, and he didn't gamble, and he didn't do anything to make us as fans question the legitimacy of his numbers. Butkus and Sayers are the first to come to mind as examples of the PFHOF allowing for individual accomplishment to compensate for lackluster team achievement when taking into consideration the merits of a players hof credentials. TO's numbers are soo outstanding that disregarding them so as not to allow him entrance as a member because he may have had a detrimental effect on his teams performance marks the institution as illegitimate based on it's mission and historical record. I can't picture a scenario where TO is not voted into the HOF on his first try.

You're joking, right? Even if the voters do let Owens in, NO WAY does he made it in on his first try. They'll likely make him wait a long time before letting him in. Also, your Butkus and Sayers comparisons are not valid. People are not going to keep him out because of lack of team achievement; they are gonna keep him out because he has been a cancer in the locker room of every team he has ever played for. I just said that he could still make it if he ends up on a winning team, as that might take the negative team light off of him a bit for some, if he were to some day be a part of a SB-winning team. I can't see a real contender taking the chance of letting Owens destroy their chances, though. And remember: When it comes to the Hall of Fame, numbers are not everything.

Seeing as how TO's (regular season) career blows Irvin's out of the water, and Irvin had WAY more off-field issues, it's pretty obvious TO is a lead pipe lock to make it in the HOF. First ballot? Maybe not, but I'm pretty sure it'll be quicker than Irvin's 3rd year of eligibility.

I am not an Irvin fan, but...Irvin was considered an important team leader on a team that won three Super Bowls. Owens has never won anything. Irvin's off the field issues didn't destroy three locker rooms. Big, big, HUGE difference!

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Unless Owens somehow latches on to a team that ends up winning it all (although what contending team in their right mind would sign this cancer?), he can kiss the Hall of Fame goodbye. I don't care how good his numbers are...voters are not going to let a guy in who wore out his welcome with three different teams to the point where they all either released or traded him.

I'm not a hof voter but if I were I'd vote TO in without blinking an eyelash. He didn't cheat, and he didn't gamble, and he didn't do anything to make us as fans question the legitimacy of his numbers. Butkus and Sayers are the first to come to mind as examples of the PFHOF allowing for individual accomplishment to compensate for lackluster team achievement when taking into consideration the merits of a players hof credentials. TO's numbers are soo outstanding that disregarding them so as not to allow him entrance as a member because he may have had a detrimental effect on his teams performance marks the institution as illegitimate based on it's mission and historical record. I can't picture a scenario where TO is not voted into the HOF on his first try.

You're joking, right? Even if the voters do let Owens in, NO WAY does he made it in on his first try. They'll likely make him wait a long time before letting him in. Also, your Butkus and Sayers comparisons are not valid. People are not going to keep him out because of lack of team achievement; they are gonna keep him out because he has been a cancer in the locker room of every team he has ever played for. I just said that he could still make it if he ends up on a winning team, as that might take the negative team light off of him a bit for some, if he were to some day be a part of a SB-winning team. I can't see a real contender taking the chance of letting Owens destroy their chances, though. And remember: When it comes to the Hall of Fame, numbers are not everything.

Seeing as how TO's (regular season) career blows Irvin's out of the water, and Irvin had WAY more off-field issues, it's pretty obvious TO is a lead pipe lock to make it in the HOF. First ballot? Maybe not, but I'm pretty sure it'll be quicker than Irvin's 3rd year of eligibility.

I am not an Irvin fan, but...Irvin was considered an important team leader on a team that won three Super Bowls. Owens has never won anything. Irvin's off the field issues didn't destroy three locker rooms. Big, big, HUGE difference!

 

[ScottyFargo]

Unless Owens somehow latches on to a team that ends up winning it all (although what contending team in their right mind would sign this cancer?), he can kiss the Hall of Fame goodbye. I don't care how good his numbers are...voters are not going to let a guy in who wore out his welcome with three different teams to the point where they all either released or traded him.

I'm not a hof voter but if I were I'd vote TO in without blinking an eyelash. He didn't cheat, and he didn't gamble, and he didn't do anything to make us as fans question the legitimacy of his numbers. Butkus and Sayers are the first to come to mind as examples of the PFHOF allowing for individual accomplishment to compensate for lackluster team achievement when taking into consideration the merits of a players hof credentials. TO's numbers are soo outstanding that disregarding them so as not to allow him entrance as a member because he may have had a detrimental effect on his teams performance marks the institution as illegitimate based on it's mission and historical record. I can't picture a scenario where TO is not voted into the HOF on his first try.

You're joking, right? Even if the voters do let Owens in, NO WAY does he made it in on his first try. They'll likely make him wait a long time before letting him in. Also, your Butkus and Sayers comparisons are not valid. People are not going to keep him out because of lack of team achievement; they are gonna keep him out because he has been a cancer in the locker room of every team he has ever played for. I just said that he could still make it if he ends up on a winning team, as that might take the negative team light off of him a bit for some, if he were to some day be a part of a SB-winning team. I can't see a real contender taking the chance of letting Owens destroy their chances, though. And remember: When it comes to the Hall of Fame, numbers are not everything.

Seeing as how TO's (regular season) career blows Irvin's out of the water, and Irvin had WAY more off-field issues, it's pretty obvious TO is a lead pipe lock to make it in the HOF. First ballot? Maybe not, but I'm pretty sure it'll be quicker than Irvin's 3rd year of eligibility.

I am not an Irvin fan, but...Irvin was considered an important team leader on a team that won three Super Bowls. Owens has never won anything. Irvin's off the field issues didn't destroy three locker rooms. Big, big, HUGE difference!

Owens never slashed anybody across the neck with a pair of scissors.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Unless Owens somehow latches on to a team that ends up winning it all (although what contending team in their right mind would sign this cancer?), he can kiss the Hall of Fame goodbye. I don't care how good his numbers are...voters are not going to let a guy in who wore out his welcome with three different teams to the point where they all either released or traded him.

I'm not a hof voter but if I were I'd vote TO in without blinking an eyelash. He didn't cheat, and he didn't gamble, and he didn't do anything to make us as fans question the legitimacy of his numbers. Butkus and Sayers are the first to come to mind as examples of the PFHOF allowing for individual accomplishment to compensate for lackluster team achievement when taking into consideration the merits of a players hof credentials. TO's numbers are soo outstanding that disregarding them so as not to allow him entrance as a member because he may have had a detrimental effect on his teams performance marks the institution as illegitimate based on it's mission and historical record. I can't picture a scenario where TO is not voted into the HOF on his first try.

You're joking, right? Even if the voters do let Owens in, NO WAY does he made it in on his first try. They'll likely make him wait a long time before letting him in. Also, your Butkus and Sayers comparisons are not valid. People are not going to keep him out because of lack of team achievement; they are gonna keep him out because he has been a cancer in the locker room of every team he has ever played for. I just said that he could still make it if he ends up on a winning team, as that might take the negative team light off of him a bit for some, if he were to some day be a part of a SB-winning team. I can't see a real contender taking the chance of letting Owens destroy their chances, though.

And remember: When it comes to the Hall of Fame, numbers are not everything.

Seeing as how TO's (regular season) career blows Irvin's out of the water, and Irvin had WAY more off-field issues, it's pretty obvious TO is a lead pipe lock to make it in the HOF. First ballot? Maybe not, but I'm pretty sure it'll be quicker than Irvin's 3rd year of eligibility.

I am not an Irvin fan, but...Irvin was considered an important team leader on a team that won three Super Bowls.

Owens has never won anything.

Irvin's off the field issues didn't destroy three locker rooms. Big, big, HUGE difference!

Owens never slashed anybody across the neck with a pair of scissors.

True. TO tends to prefer to stab in the back using journalists, and Owens targeted team leaders and not rookies trying to make the team. Regardless, despite that incident, Irvin was still regarded as more of a leader and a better teammate than Owens. That should tell you something right there.

 

[silentmark]

TO is good, but he was a cancer. Look for Dallas to come together and have great chemistry which should lead them well into the playoffs.

Exactly. Who else are they going to blame now ? The problem is the QB, choker, EOS ...TO to ............................... the Raiders ?

 

[phillyphan07]

2. Chargers - I see the Chargers as making a big 1 year push for the SB. Usually teams have a 1 year Honeymoon with T.O.

This would be my dark horse candidate.

I could see this...a coach on the perennial hot seat...a crazy GMplus Norv was Michael Irvin's OC... so I could see AJ smith talking himself into Norv's ability to handle a diva WR

 

[puckalicious]

Unless Owens somehow latches on to a team that ends up winning it all (although what contending team in their right mind would sign this cancer?), he can kiss the Hall of Fame goodbye. I don't care how good his numbers are...voters are not going to let a guy in who wore out his welcome with three different teams to the point where they all either released or traded him.

I'm not a hof voter but if I were I'd vote TO in without blinking an eyelash. He didn't cheat, and he didn't gamble, and he didn't do anything to make us as fans question the legitimacy of his numbers. Butkus and Sayers are the first to come to mind as examples of the PFHOF allowing for individual accomplishment to compensate for lackluster team achievement when taking into consideration the merits of a players hof credentials. TO's numbers are soo outstanding that disregarding them so as not to allow him entrance as a member because he may have had a detrimental effect on his teams performance marks the institution as illegitimate based on it's mission and historical record. I can't picture a scenario where TO is not voted into the HOF on his first try.

You're joking, right? Even if the voters do let Owens in, NO WAY does he made it in on his first try. They'll likely make him wait a long time before letting him in. Also, your Butkus and Sayers comparisons are not valid. People are not going to keep him out because of lack of team achievement; they are gonna keep him out because he has been a cancer in the locker room of every team he has ever played for. I just said that he could still make it if he ends up on a winning team, as that might take the negative team light off of him a bit for some, if he were to some day be a part of a SB-winning team. I can't see a real contender taking the chance of letting Owens destroy their chances, though.

And remember: When it comes to the Hall of Fame, numbers are not everything.

Seeing as how TO's (regular season) career blows Irvin's out of the water, and Irvin had WAY more off-field issues, it's pretty obvious TO is a lead pipe lock to make it in the HOF. First ballot? Maybe not, but I'm pretty sure it'll be quicker than Irvin's 3rd year of eligibility.

I am not an Irvin fan, but...Irvin was considered an important team leader on a team that won three Super Bowls.

Owens has never won anything.

Irvin's off the field issues didn't destroy three locker rooms. Big, big, HUGE difference!

Owens never slashed anybody across the neck with a pair of scissors.

True. TO tends to prefer to stab in the back using journalists, and Owens targeted team leaders and not rookies trying to make the team. Regardless, despite that incident, Irvin was still regarded as more of a leader and a better teammate than Owens. That should tell you something right there.

All good points. We'll just have to wait 5+ years and get out our

 

[Tau837]

Unless Owens somehow latches on to a team that ends up winning it all (although what contending team in their right mind would sign this cancer?), he can kiss the Hall of Fame goodbye. I don't care how good his numbers are...voters are not going to let a guy in who wore out his welcome with three different teams to the point where they all either released or traded him.

Completely disagree with this. Owens is a HOF lock, and deservedly so. I don't like him, but there are not many WRs in NFL history who have dominated the WR position like he has.

 

[One]

Unless Owens somehow latches on to a team that ends up winning it all (although what contending team in their right mind would sign this cancer?), he can kiss the Hall of Fame goodbye. I don't care how good his numbers are...voters are not going to let a guy in who wore out his welcome with three different teams to the point where they all either released or traded him.

Completely disagree with this. Owens is a HOF lock, and deservedly so. I don't like him, but there are not many WRs in NFL history who have dominated the WR position like he has.

Zero chance of TO missing the HOF.

 

[Jason Wood]

No disrespect to Ghost Rider, but I genuinely believe TO is a mortal HOF lock no matter what he does from here. I will concede that I don't see him getting in on the 1st or 2nd try, but that's as much about his contemporaries [Harrison, Moss] being eligible at roughly the same time as anything having to do with the voters holding something against him personally.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Unless Owens somehow latches on to a team that ends up winning it all (although what contending team in their right mind would sign this cancer?), he can kiss the Hall of Fame goodbye. I don't care how good his numbers are...voters are not going to let a guy in who wore out his welcome with three different teams to the point where they all either released or traded him.

Completely disagree with this. Owens is a HOF lock, and deservedly so. I don't like him, but there are not many WRs in NFL history who have dominated the WR position like he has.

Completely disagree. Looking at just his numbers, they are awesome, yes, but was there ever really a long stretch where he was undoubtedly considered the best WR in the league? That would make him dominant. The answer is no. More often than not, Randy Moss and/or Marvin Harrison were considered as good or better than Owens. Kinda hard to dominate the WR position in the sense that you are talking about when you were hardly ever the unquestioned best in the league.