Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
I will laugh hard if this dude turns out to be the next Charles Rogers.
$40 mil guaranteed...pfft.
$40 mil guaranteed...pfft.
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footballnerd
Footballguy
NFL Owners to Eugene Parker: "You've got to be the dumbest dealer in the history of the dope game!"derek19 said:
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Phase of the Game
Footballguy
Crabtree is looking foolish by everyone that knows anything about the NFL.two_dollars said:
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
Couldn't he just post a youtube video or something of a workout? Or maybe tweet his 'fans' that he will be at some school working out some weekend and he will sign autographs afterwards. Could a team get in trouble if he worked out in a public spot and they just happened to 'stumble by'?Twilight said:
Ugh! Not looking for pity since I knew of this situation beforehand, but I drafted this guy LATE in our dynasty draft hoping there would be some resolve to this. I don't like where this is going.
This isn't just to bash Crabree but I think top rookie players get paid WAY too much as it is. Are they even comparable to any other sport??? At your age you should be content with getting a million dollars for a season, let alone 30+ million dollar contracts...it's despicable in my opinion.
This isn't just to bash Crabree but I think top rookie players get paid WAY too much as it is. Are they even comparable to any other sport??? At your age you should be content with getting a million dollars for a season, let alone 30+ million dollar contracts...it's despicable in my opinion.
We should delete this thread because this guy deserves everything that he has coming to him. I hope he never plays a down in the NFL and is exiled to the CFL , UFL or Arena League. He was offered millions of dollars to play a game that is a privilege that doesn't come around every day to start with. Secondly why is he to good to fully participate in the combine. He was healthy there was no reason for him not to do all the activities at the NFL Combine. This guy is not coming off as somebody who wants to be a team player and be part of the 49ers system; his actions are those of one who is only looking out for himself and not the good of the team. Why would the 49ers want him in the locker room now he would only create problems and possibly be a greater cancer than Terrell Owens is.
Comer
Footballguy
He had a broken foot and decided to have it fixed before the combine so he could be ready for training camp. So he did the right thing to be ready for camp but, he just had done the wrong thing ever since. If he had to do it over again he probably would have just ran at the combine and took his chances.
Pooh Tong and Nemo
Footballguy
It appears to be unanimous that Crabtree is a world class idiot with the worst advisors of all time. If the dummy would have just put his ego aside he would realise that the 16 million was just a drop in the proverbial bucket. The ammount of money that he could have made in endorsements, being the dynamic young playmaker that he thinks he is beyond fathom and it would have been ALL GUARANTEED. Even if he signed tomorrow, his marketability is currently garbage. Image is what sells, and he has done an amazing job of ruining his before it all ever even started. He can kiss the ridiculous number of potential guaranteed millions goodbye, whereas a couple of months ago the Nike's, Underarmour's, and Gatorade's of the world would have probably been lined up with checks in hand. Far, far more than that "insulting" 16m.
As an NFL fan, I am glad the 49ers are holding firm to help restrict the rookie salaries. The salaries have jumped so high that it really is not fair to the veterans that have earned it. I hope a rookie cap goes into place next season, wouldn't that be a slap.
As a 49er fan, I am ashamed of the other niner fans that put down the Yorks for this ordeal, who are you to say they should just give away the fortune. They are doing this right and as I am unsure whether this hardball stance will help the league, it will definitely help the team with future deals. I personally believe:
Craptree doesn't fit the Singletary mode, he fixed Vernon but does a "me" player really fit his system...I don't think so.
I would never draft another player that has Parker as his agent
I would immediately pull the deal off of the table and wait to trade him before next year's draft...take what you can
Craptree is afraid that this will be his biggest contract, can you say self-esteem issuesI look everyday for updates on the situation but in honesty I truely hope that he never signs with the 49ers, or any other team. Hell with him!
As a 49er fan, I am ashamed of the other niner fans that put down the Yorks for this ordeal, who are you to say they should just give away the fortune. They are doing this right and as I am unsure whether this hardball stance will help the league, it will definitely help the team with future deals. I personally believe:
Craptree doesn't fit the Singletary mode, he fixed Vernon but does a "me" player really fit his system...I don't think so.
I would never draft another player that has Parker as his agent
I would immediately pull the deal off of the table and wait to trade him before next year's draft...take what you can
Craptree is afraid that this will be his biggest contract, can you say self-esteem issuesI look everyday for updates on the situation but in honesty I truely hope that he never signs with the 49ers, or any other team. Hell with him!
tim_whatley
Footballguy
Pretty sure that is incorrect. I believe he can host his own proday after a certain date passes.But either way, it is obviously not an ideal situation for the kid.
Did anybody catch the report that was done on the Crabtree holdout on ESPN Sunday. Its going to be a long time before he gets paid his guaranteed money.
FANATICS I am with you a 100 percent I am all done with these rookies who think they are God's gift to society. This Crabtree is only looking out for his best interest and not the interest of the Organization.
Then look at Mark Sanchez and his presser after the Titans victory where he said I didn't win; WE won this game as a team. He was humble and putting the team first. Kudos to Sanchez even though I'm sure his PR Coach has been working with him LOL...
FANATICS I am with you a 100 percent I am all done with these rookies who think they are God's gift to society. This Crabtree is only looking out for his best interest and not the interest of the Organization.
Then look at Mark Sanchez and his presser after the Titans victory where he said I didn't win; WE won this game as a team. He was humble and putting the team first. Kudos to Sanchez even though I'm sure his PR Coach has been working with him LOL...
Nope, he's property of the 49ers until the day of the 2010 draft.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
I like to come to FBGs to get good info about the NFL and fantasy football. This thread is one of the worst I have read. So much inaccurate information and speculation.
I am not really sure why there is so much angst about Crabtree. There have been longer holdouts in the NFL, and by draft picks.
If you would like to really have some sort of idea what is happening in these negotiations, please read the National Football Post. They have been covering this holdout extensively, and are providing great info on both sides of the story. To paraphrase one of their sources, "these things are never one sided."
I am not really sure why there is so much angst about Crabtree. There have been longer holdouts in the NFL, and by draft picks.
If you would like to really have some sort of idea what is happening in these negotiations, please read the National Football Post. They have been covering this holdout extensively, and are providing great info on both sides of the story. To paraphrase one of their sources, "these things are never one sided."
tim_whatley
Footballguy
Come on Sunshine, this isn’t fairytale land. Crabtree has every obligation to himself to negotiate the best possible contract and maximize this opportunity. Do you think the ‘9ers are looking out for anyone's "interests" but their own? Crabtree drew a line in the sand, the ‘9ers called his bluff, and now's he having to deal with the consequences.Crabtree wasn't a selfish guy in college. We all saw the highlights of his great catches and runs, but he was also a great blocker and overall good teammate.I don't believe Crabtree is a selfish guy, I think he has allowed his handlers/agents/people to convince him that he is being "disrepected" or even "victimized" by San Fran's offer. It's a ludicrous assessment, but one I think is more defendable than the label of selfish. In the end, I guess it doesn't really matter much, as the outcome and perception is the same.
Here is the problem and why CRABTREE has a tarnished image now in the eyes of the Football Public.There is a slotted salary system based on where you are drafted.He was the 2nd WR taken in the draft with the 10th pick. The 49ers offered him what is the slotted amount for that pick.He refuses that amount because he is told by his handlers or he perceives that he is the best WR in the draft and was supposed to be drafted ahead of BEY so he wants more money.If he just signed on the dotted line for the MILLIONS that go along with being the 10th pick there would be none of this going on right now. The only other player to hold out an entire year in the last 25 years has been Kelly Stouffer and he did not fair to well.
tim_whatley
Footballguy
QBs don't follow the slotted system.
I don't think Crabtree wasnts more than Bey, just as much or very close to it. I could be wrong there, but that was my understanding.
I don't think Crabtree wasnts more than Bey, just as much or very close to it. I could be wrong there, but that was my understanding.
tim_whatley
Footballguy
I also believe his people think that some of the later picks closer to #10 signed bad deals that forced Crabtree's slot down below marketvalue.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Didn't SF offer him DHB's salary minus $1?
They allegedly offered him a deal that could be worth $1 less than B.J. Raji's (pick #9) contract.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
As a Crab owner I'm now believing he's going to sit the season out - unbelievably, that appears to be the way it is
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Ummmm. Of course he is, it's a business. It's nothing personal.
huh?
FavreCo
Footballguy
Ok, Eugene.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Why don't you try reading Andrew Brandt before being acting like a POS?Brandt may actually know a thing or two about this being that he'd negotiated on behalf of the Packers for about a decade, and has represented players before that. He actually helped negotiate Jeremy Maclin's deal this year. His opinion is its all about escalators. Look at it from the Parker/Crabtree side. The 49ers are accusing the Jets of tampering, and Deion Sanders has said its at least two teams. Rumors are swirling that Crabtree has been offered 40 Million by at least one of those teams, if not both. Those teams need to secure his rights to be able to do so obviously. Also, I don't think there is any question that there are teams with much better QBs out there (Jets), that would help him reach escalators in his contract much more easily than the run first 49ers.According to Brandt, the toughest part of doing these deals is escalators. Larry Fitzgerald, another Parker client, had such great escalators attached to his rookie deal that the Cards were basically forced to renegotiate early and give him 4 years 40 Million. Parker could very well be holding out over those very same types of escalators.Ok, Eugene.
What? I completely and totally understand people who don't want to pay Crabtree more than his slot, but I don't understand this line of thinking.So what if he's getting offered millions? It's still a business - do you hate every other player who has ever held out? Hold outs are fairly common tactics.
I'm a die hard Niners fan but even I won't hate Crabtree for looking out for himself over the team, and I can't imagine many other Niner fans would hate him for that either (though there are other reasons to hate the guy...). He's not even an official member of the team yet - can you honestly tell me why he SHOULD put the team first? It's not like he's on the field and causing problems like demanding the ball and putting personal stats over winning. This is a pure business decision.
As strange as this sounds, I actually somewhat admire this kid's idiotic decision. He believes (rightly or wrongly) that he is worth x amount, and he's sticking to it. My Niners haven't been a well run franchise in...how many years now? Frankly, if this were the Patriots, Ravens, or a handful of other teams making this move then they would receive the benefit of my doubt (deservedly so). But the Yorks have run this franchise into the ground the past few years and I won't give them a pass. I think some of you are forgetting how much the Yorks have really been screwing this franchise. They burned up any goodwill awhile back.
I will still be surprised if a deal doesn't get done at some point.
But if it doesn't, I will be one seriously pissed off Niner fan. They're going to give away the #10 overall pick over 4 million? That is completely and totally absurd. I am furious if we end up with NOTHING, when we could have snagged quite a few players that would help our football team (for the record, I wanted Oher since Raji didn't fall).
I'm certainly putting blame on Crabtree, his agent, and his idiot cousin/advisor for being fools, but imo more blame falls on SF - they either didn't see this coming so they should be blamed for not doing their homework, or they saw this coming and should be blamed for not believing it would actually happen.
So SF has allegedly offered up to $1 less than the pick before him. That is awfully petty just to make a point. I would be insulted if someone did that to me JUST to make a point. It's insulting. Would $5 more be too much for SF to bear?
The bottom line is IF Crabtree pans out like scouts expected, he's well worth the extra 4 million. And if he doesn't pan out he's not worth a darn thing.
Here's a Niners board with some interesting Crabtree takes (and lots of other SF opinions): http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/forum...prune=&f=20
***If these rumors are true and Parker really does have another offer I hope that team(s?) gets hit HARD by Goodell.
massraider
Footballguy
Two points regarding the bolded above:1. Not sure how anyone could predict that Crabtree would demand more than the #7 pick in the draft. AFAIK, there were no quotes from his agent or him before the draft that might have led anyone to predict he'd be a difficult signing.
2. $4 million isn't the issue. Money isn't the issue. It's the ability to sign players. If the 49ers break the slotting system, why should any player signed by the 49ers ever sign for the slotted salary ever again? If the 49ers draft Terrence Cody next year ith the 15th pick, and another DT went top 12, why shouldn't Cody demand the same money as the higher pick? The 49ers will have established that they 'overpay' according to the draft slot.
All I know is Crabtree is killing himself. He re enters the draft he likely won't go in the first 20 picks and will end up with much less money than Frisco is willing to pay right now!
UNLESS - he is banking on the no salary cap thing for next year. Though I am unsure the ruling as to how that effects rookie deals.
UNLESS - he is banking on the no salary cap thing for next year. Though I am unsure the ruling as to how that effects rookie deals.
DoubleG
Footballguy
The flaw in the Crabtree camp is the thought that, if that IS their line of thinking, his value remains constant. His value (or at least perspective salary) goes down as time passes and he doesn't play. College WRs showcasing their talent in games, bowl games and at the combine will cause their values to rise in value as the 2010 draft gets closer - not the value of someone who hasn't played football in over a year and has had no opportunity to "remind" everyone how good he used to be. Even if the salary cap gets negotiated out of the CBA, doesn't mean that the restriction will make rookies more highly paid - and even if it did, that doesn't mean Crabtree would be. In fact there have been discussions about rookie salary caps, etc.I don't begrudge someone for looking out for themselves. I don't even have a problem with him holding out (which he technically isn't, becuase holding out conotes someone not playing up to their contract) if he thinks he isn't being offered a fair amount. I think not signing before the November deadline would be a horrific mistake on his part, however.The Moz said:
In regards to teams "promising" to pay him "$X for Y number of years" - none of that means squat until a contract is presented and signed. Teams often say one thing and do another. Heck, if I was Arizona or Seattle and thought I had a shot at the NFC West, I'd tell Crabtree anything he wants to hear to keep him from signing with a division rival too...which is why the tampering rules are in effect too. Parker and Crabtree should know that. They should also know that telling the press/49ers that teams have offered larger amounts, while seemingly helping their attempt at gaining leverage, also was the grounds for the tampering charge against the Jets.
The Lions have a new GM now.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
BINGO!massraider said:
tim_whatley
Footballguy
Don't kid yourself and think Crabtree won't be a top pick next year if he runs and works out well.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
He can't run or workout for any team except the 9ers unless they allow it. That's one of the problems with holding out till the next draft.
The_Underachiever
Footballguy
Can this thread PLEASE be deleted. Enough already.
Ignore this thread if you don't like it.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
How can he be? How can any team guarantee that they'll be able to take him? That doesn't doesn't even know where it drafts next year, so they obviously can't know if a team in front of them will take Crabtree first.
TitusIII
Footballguy
Just my opinion, of course, but all it takes is some representative from the Colts, for example, saying they will give Crabtree what he wants in 2010, even if he slips to the late twenties. If some team takes him earlier, so be it, but you can be assured the team that takes him also knows/and is willing to give Crabtree what he wants to avoid another debacle.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
You mean like the 49ers this year? This whole argument is absurd. One team or two teams or five teams telling him what they'll do IF they can draft him is pointless because he can't know who's going to draft him. No one can offer these promises.
massraider
Footballguy
Naive?You think a player would give up a year based on a promise? He can't make up that money next year. He loses salary for this year, plus one year towards free agency. Meaning he would have to wait another year to get to FA, and sign the 2nd deal, with the bigger money. If he sits out this entire year, I will take anyone's bet that not only will he drop in the draft, but that he will get paid less money.
Kleck
Footballguy
If the CBA doesn't get extended, he may lose another year on top of that since whatever team he goes to will own his rights for 6 years. IIRC...
Yeah, I don't believe for one second this holdout is based upon some promise of him getting more money from another team next year. Parker has been pretty good about getting his players lots of money so it doesn't seem he's a bad agent. If that rumor is even true I can't believe he would throw everything away in exchange for a behind doors verbal promise.
Papa Georgio
Footballguy
I know it has been said before but I'd laugh if the 49ers drafted him again next year. It's one of those deals with no winners.
5Rings
Lurker
Here's his chance; I hope Brandon Jones steps up.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
This cannot happen. The only team that can't draft him if he re-enters the draft is the 49ers. Also another interested team could trade for Crabtree between March and the draft. The contract stuff gets pretty messy there with the rookie pool etc, but I am quite sure that Eugene Parker has a plan in that scenario. Speaking of Parker, by all accounts he is a very good agent. He's gotten very good deals with his clients in the past, and I think assuming that the Crabtree camp are a bunch of idiots is just convenient for some around here.
