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Creation vs. Evolution (2 Viewers)

they'd also tell little Johnny in first grade that Chrsitianity is a lie and those who believe in Creation are dumb... well, in some places they do, at least... (unless no one uses those textbooks that are copywrited in the last few years)
Dear Larry,Please cut it out. I'm guessing that you might find one piece of anecdotal evidence to back up that post. Maybe one. And that's pushing it. You're blanket statement here doesn't apply to more than 99% of classrooms across the country. You're not going to be respected here because of stuff like this. More likely to be mocked and ridiculed.
Do you have any studies to back this up? Larry used the word "some". You used the figure "99%". Not that I disagree with you, just wanted to make sure you have something other than anecdotal evidence since you are a teacher.
 
This stuff is priceless.Makes me realise that I wasted most of my life studying, when I should have been reading the boards... :thumbup:
Much like the Great Library of Alexandria in ancient times this is the repository of all human knowledge.
The question is, is the board's fate destined to be the same?
 
How do I go about returning my degree?
Burn it in effigy, then notify the college that you don't believe in them anymore, they are not endorsed by Noodlefish Enterprises.The authorities will take care of the rest.
NOTHING burns like an effigy.
 
Why does this thread exist, and how the hell does it have 25 pages? Science has routinely bent over religion and made it it's ##### for thousands of years. When are you guys gonna finally say "No mas! No mas!"?
Scott... there are far more that believe not only in God, but in the Chritian God (in this country at least, and much of the world) then those who believe in all the science that tells us otherwise. I do not speak of the "idea" of God, but the literal Biblical character.We still probably have 500 years of this before the religions that already are losing touch finally lose their grip on socierty, so get used to it.
 
Maybe I can get it transmuted to a Theoretical-heretical psuedo-Scientific meta-Studies degree or something?
You can do that in the comfort of your own home for only $19.95. They send you some crystals and an incantation. Add on your horoscope for an extra $4.95!
 
they'd also tell little Johnny in first grade that Chrsitianity is a lie and those who believe in Creation are dumb...
Apologies if I'm wrong, but don't most public schools in this country still give Good Friday off?And don't they coordinate their spring break with the week after Easter?Those damn Athiests!
You are wrong. A lot of places took away Good Friday when they added Martin Luther King Day. And Spring breaks have nothing to do with Easter since the breaks are typically the same time each year and Easter can be anywhere from late March to late April.
I'm pretty sure I got Easter off as a kid. Maybe it's changed.
Nope. It hasn't changed. In all the school systems my sister and mother worked for in the past ... let me think ... twenty-five years they have had Good Friday and Easter (edit: of course b/c its on Sunday) off, and they have also coordinated Spring Break with the Easter holiday when possible.Most states have a mandatory number of days the kids have to be in school. I can see a school system doing as CE pointed out too. Add one day off (especially when it is mandated) and take away another as opposed to adding an extra day at the end of the year or something. That would kind of suck though. In Illinois, where my sister has worked, they get Pulaski day off!
Around here (long island), due to the Jewish holidays, they often have those days off as well in many districts. It comes down to local "custom" really. If 20% of your students are guaranteed to miss that day, then close down and hold class another day.
 
Why does this thread exist, and how the hell does it have 25 pages? Science has routinely bent over religion and made it it's ##### for thousands of years. When are you guys gonna finally say "No mas! No mas!"?
This isn't a submission match, it's Last Man Standing. Time to start warming up the finishing move, though.
I think this is going to end with the double KO chair shot
 
Job, Cont.

the second thing talked about is the Leviathon... There are some that think that the Leviathon is really a T-Rex.

v.8 - You can't beat him, if he sees you, you will die

v16-17 - he had scales

v.18 - when he "neezes" light shines... ("neezing" is kinda like "Sneezing" for real... its a mistranslation, just taken right into Englihs, that kinda thing)

v.20 - flames out of his mouth

v.34 - beholds all high things, the king of all prideful things

4 reasons to believe fire-breathing "dragon" or dinasour existed:

1. the Bible says it

2. the legends of fire-breathing dragons

3. it is possible (see: Bombadier Beetle)

4. the big crest int he back of some dinosaurs heads could have held the chemicals needed to breathe fire (see: bombadier beetle). Also, the "honeycomb"-like structure in the back of a T-Rex's head also could have contained the chemicals.

Also, there are Japanese eggs painted in ancient times with fire-breathing T-Rex's on them. (well, what appears to be a T-Rex)
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: where the #### was I on this day. :wall:
Godzilla looked kinda like T-Rex and he breathed fire. This has been documented in several Soho films.
To be fair there is an actual theory that the extinction of dinosaurs was due to excess methane gas (they were farting a lot).Now if they walked by a small fire started by lightning and they happened to fart at that exact moment, well, you can imagine the flames that would jet out of their ###!

With the retelling of the stories over the centuries (can't trust a bard) we now have fire-breathing dragons instead of fire-farting dragons.

 
With the retelling of the stories over the centuries (can't trust a bard) we now have fire-breathing dragons instead of fire-farting dragons.
Who passed the stories on? A talkative gazelle? A vociferous lemur? Perhaps a verbose iguana?
 
they'd also tell little Johnny in first grade that Chrsitianity is a lie and those who believe in Creation are dumb... well, in some places they do, at least... (unless no one uses those textbooks that are copywrited in the last few years)
Dear Larry,Please cut it out. I'm guessing that you might find one piece of anecdotal evidence to back up that post. Maybe one. And that's pushing it. You're blanket statement here doesn't apply to more than 99% of classrooms across the country. You're not going to be respected here because of stuff like this. More likely to be mocked and ridiculed.
Do you have any studies to back this up? Larry used the word "some". You used the figure "99%". Not that I disagree with you, just wanted to make sure you have something other than anecdotal evidence since you are a teacher.
Nice. Give larry some more hope. Perhaps with your support he'll stick around to me made fun of for a few more days.
 
With the retelling of the stories over the centuries (can't trust a bard) we now have fire-breathing dragons instead of fire-farting dragons.
Who passed the stories on? A talkative gazelle? A vociferous lemur? Perhaps a verbose iguana?
Then how come a gazelle looks exactly like a bard? If a gazelle doesn't die, it just keeps growing, and adding purple velvet hats and lutes, until eventually it becomes a bard. This is proven.
 
With the retelling of the stories over the centuries (can't trust a bard) we now have fire-breathing dragons instead of fire-farting dragons.
Who passed the stories on? A talkative gazelle? A vociferous lemur? Perhaps a verbose iguana?
Then how come a gazelle looks exactly like a bard? If a gazelle doesn't die, it just keeps growing, and adding purple velvet hats and lutes, until eventually it becomes a bard. This is proven.
While that's certainly useful, it pales in comparison to the ability to wear a pancake on your head.
 
With the retelling of the stories over the centuries (can't trust a bard) we now have fire-breathing dragons instead of fire-farting dragons.
Who passed the stories on? A talkative gazelle? A vociferous lemur? Perhaps a verbose iguana?
Then how come a gazelle looks exactly like a bard? If a gazelle doesn't die, it just keeps growing, and adding purple velvet hats and lutes, until eventually it becomes a bard. This is proven.
While that's certainly useful, it pales in comparison to the ability to wear a pancake on your head.
Ah, but now you're talking evlolution again. The pancake-on-head is an acquired trait, developed during one's lifetime to protect one from downpours of maple syrup in IHOP rich environments.:lamarck:

 
there are more that believe in the Chritian God then those who believe in all the science that tells us otherwise.
Koya=Larry?
You caught me. :unsure: Now excuse me while I go feed my pet, Puff the Magic Dragon. :unsure: :unsure:
Yeah, go ahead and "Puff the Magic Dragon," Cheech. It'll just accelerate your train ride to hell. :devil:
Im Jewish. Therefor, since the religion we are born into is, 99% of the time, the correct (and only!) religion, there is no hell for me.Well, except when my Jewish Mother gets overbearing. Then its hell on earth. Even if Im 31. but i digress
 
Why does this thread exist, and how the hell does it have 25 pages? Science has routinely bent over religion and made it it's ##### for thousands of years. When are you guys gonna finally say "No mas! No mas!"?
Scott... there are far more that believe not only in God, but in the Chritian God (in this country at least, and much of the world) then those who believe in all the science that tells us otherwise. I do not speak of the "idea" of God, but the literal Biblical character.We still probably have 500 years of this before the religions that already are losing touch finally lose their grip on socierty, so get used to it.
Science tells us there is no God? Do tell, Koya. I am EXTREMELY interested in hearing how you back this argument up.
 
With the retelling of the stories over the centuries (can't trust a bard) we now have fire-breathing dragons instead of fire-farting dragons.
Who passed the stories on? A talkative gazelle? A vociferous lemur? Perhaps a verbose iguana?
No silly...snakes! We know from the bible that snakes can talk.
 
With the retelling of the stories over the centuries (can't trust a bard) we now have fire-breathing dragons instead of fire-farting dragons.
Who passed the stories on? A talkative gazelle? A vociferous lemur? Perhaps a verbose iguana?
No silly...snakes! We know from the bible that snakes can talk.
Not all snakes can talk, but a subset of snakes can talk (that subset would include those that can speak miraculously or those that were an assumed form of Satan). A subset of donkies can also talk (biblically supported).The problem is that miracles are supernatural (or is it supra- I can never remember). You can prove that snakes can't talk, but it is impossible to prove trhat certain snakes did not talk.
 
Why does this thread exist, and how the hell does it have 25 pages? Science has routinely bent over religion and made it it's ##### for thousands of years. When are you guys gonna finally say "No mas! No mas!"?
Scott... there are far more that believe not only in God, but in the Chritian God (in this country at least, and much of the world) then those who believe in all the science that tells us otherwise. I do not speak of the "idea" of God, but the literal Biblical character.We still probably have 500 years of this before the religions that already are losing touch finally lose their grip on socierty, so get used to it.
Science tells us there is no God? Do tell, Koya. I am EXTREMELY interested in hearing how you back this argument up.
Koya is making no sense. Many people believe in God (Christian God, Jewish God, etc) and also believe in evolution.
 
Why does this thread exist, and how the hell does it have 25 pages?  Science has routinely bent over religion and made it it's ##### for thousands of years.  When are you guys gonna finally say "No mas! No mas!"?
Scott... there are far more that believe not only in God, but in the Chritian God (in this country at least, and much of the world) then those who believe in all the science that tells us otherwise. I do not speak of the "idea" of God, but the literal Biblical character.We still probably have 500 years of this before the religions that already are losing touch finally lose their grip on socierty, so get used to it.
Science tells us there is no God? Do tell, Koya. I am EXTREMELY interested in hearing how you back this argument up.
Koya is making no sense. Many people believe in God (Christian God, Jewish God, etc) and also believe in evolution.
There are scientists that believe there could be a God as well.
 
they'd also tell little Johnny in first grade that Chrsitianity is a lie and those who believe in Creation are dumb... well, in some places they do, at least... (unless no one uses those textbooks that are copywrited in the last few years)
Dear Larry,Please cut it out. I'm guessing that you might find one piece of anecdotal evidence to back up that post. Maybe one. And that's pushing it. You're blanket statement here doesn't apply to more than 99% of classrooms across the country. You're not going to be respected here because of stuff like this. More likely to be mocked and ridiculed.
Do you have any studies to back this up? Larry used the word "some". You used the figure "99%". Not that I disagree with you, just wanted to make sure you have something other than anecdotal evidence since you are a teacher.
Nice. Give larry some more hope. Perhaps with your support he'll stick around to me made fun of for a few more days.
Well, maybe Larry will finally cite us the textbooks that teach that "Christianity is a lie". I'm still waiting...
 
Who passed the stories on?  A talkative gazelle?  A vociferous lemur?  Perhaps a verbose iguana?
I think it may have been a loquacious llama.
You sure it wasn't a chatty catfish?
A chatty chinchilla fits better with the alliteration.
Alliteration was never my theme. "Vociferous lemur" is hardly alliterative. "Verbose iguana" no more so. And "talkative gazelle" just craps all over any alliterative intent.However, if tangfoot pressed the issue, I had "clamorous clam" holstered and ready to be unleashed on an unsuspecting populous.
 
Who passed the stories on?  A talkative gazelle?  A vociferous lemur?  Perhaps a verbose iguana?
I think it may have been a loquacious llama.
You sure it wasn't a chatty catfish?
A chatty chinchilla fits better with the alliteration.
Ah! Another appreciator of alliterative allusions.
That's not alliteration, you ninny, that's assonance. Alliteration is repetition of initial consonant sounds.
 
Who passed the stories on?  A talkative gazelle?  A vociferous lemur?  Perhaps a verbose iguana?
I think it may have been a loquacious llama.
You sure it wasn't a chatty catfish?
A chatty chinchilla fits better with the alliteration.
Ah! Another appreciator of alliterative allusions.
That's not alliteration, you ninny, that's assonance. Alliteration is repetition of initial consonant sounds.
assonance is assinine.
 
Who passed the stories on?  A talkative gazelle?  A vociferous lemur?  Perhaps a verbose iguana?
I think it may have been a loquacious llama.
You sure it wasn't a chatty catfish?
A chatty chinchilla fits better with the alliteration.
Ah! Another appreciator of alliterative allusions.
Articulate aardvark? Longwinded Lemur? Softspoken Salamander? Gossipping gorilla?
 
However, if tangfoot pressed the issue, I had "clamorous clam" holstered and ready to be unleashed on an unsuspecting populous.
Can't speak for everybody, but I would have swooned. Along with my garrulous gorilla.
 
Interesting, Bueno. I've heard that elephant story my whole life, and not once has it come capped with the moral of theological disputes (but that's probably because i went to public schools). Kinda like the teaching of Thanksgiving or Christmas these days.I like it; thanks for posting.
It's a great poem if you're a gnostic.Reminds you that we are like the blind man: finite beings trying to understand the infinite.
 
I still don't get what the dragons have to do with anything.Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the comedy, just not making the connection of dragons to Jesus.:shuke:

 
I still don't get what the dragons have to do with anything.Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the comedy, just not making the connection of dragons to Jesus.:shuke:
I would have to scroll way back into the thread to confirm, but I think the idea is that, because the earth isn't billions of years old, and because god created all animals first, then man and dinosaurs must have co-existed. Larry Boy then speculates that myths of fire-breathing dragons might really be stories regarding sightings of fire-breathing dinosaurs. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
 
Why does this thread exist, and how the hell does it have 25 pages?  Science has routinely bent over religion and made it it's ##### for thousands of years.  When are you guys gonna finally say "No mas! No mas!"?
Scott... there are far more that believe not only in God, but in the Chritian God (in this country at least, and much of the world) then those who believe in all the science that tells us otherwise. I do not speak of the "idea" of God, but the literal Biblical character.We still probably have 500 years of this before the religions that already are losing touch finally lose their grip on socierty, so get used to it.
Science tells us there is no God? Do tell, Koya. I am EXTREMELY interested in hearing how you back this argument up.
What I meant was the literal interpretation of a being, having a son in the form of Christ, with a heaven and hell and all that is in the Bible. What I speak of are those who continue to believe in a world created in 7 days, and not by forces that science has explained and proven to develop of billions of years.I was not implying science has proven there is no god. What I meant was science has shown us that MUCH of the religious aspect of Judeo Christian thought, when looked at objectively, is myth.If you wish to believe otherwise, you are entitled. If you wish to believe Noah saved all the worlds creatures, so be it. If you wish to believe women are made from a man's rib, so be it.Personally, science sheds more and more light on the questions that spur our need for a Godly explaination - yet people still hold true to beliefs that are more appropriate for 300, 500, 1000, 5000 years ago, then they are today.Our religions are "explanations" that are thousands of years old based upon no evidence. Mostly based upon myth. However, we have cleared up a lot of what needed splainin' over the last couple hundred years (i.e. evolution). Therefor, it is my opinion (opinion) that our religions are already antiquated. However, they have SUCH a strong pull for so many, it will take a LONG time for our belief systems to catch up with our new knowledge base and what science has proven to be true.Our 5000/1800 year old religion has served its time. Like every religion before it in Western history, it shall give way to a new belief system - one better suited to our time, our base of knowledge and understanding of the world and our individual and group place in that world - and the universe.
 
Why does this thread exist, and how the hell does it have 25 pages?  Science has routinely bent over religion and made it it's ##### for thousands of years.  When are you guys gonna finally say "No mas! No mas!"?
Scott... there are far more that believe not only in God, but in the Chritian God (in this country at least, and much of the world) then those who believe in all the science that tells us otherwise. I do not speak of the "idea" of God, but the literal Biblical character.We still probably have 500 years of this before the religions that already are losing touch finally lose their grip on socierty, so get used to it.
Science tells us there is no God? Do tell, Koya. I am EXTREMELY interested in hearing how you back this argument up.
Koya is making no sense. Many people believe in God (Christian God, Jewish God, etc) and also believe in evolution.
Perhaps I was not clear enough.However, many people, over time, will believe less and less in religion, as science gives us a clearer understanding of many of the "fundamental" questions.This will, however, take a long, long time. I never meant that there are not people who believe in both God and science, but rather our concept of God is an antiquated one better suited for life up to a hundred years ago, then it is for society from here, forward.
 
Interesting, Bueno. I've heard that elephant story my whole life, and not once has it come capped with the moral of theological disputes (but that's probably because i went to public schools). Kinda like the teaching of Thanksgiving or Christmas these days.I like it; thanks for posting.
It's a great poem if you're a gnostic.Reminds you that we are like the blind man: finite beings trying to understand the infinite.
Indeed, we are.It is better to know that we probably dont know it all, or even most of "it" - then to assume we do know it all and when asked for reason simply say "thats how it is" or "thats how God made it"
 
I still don't get what the dragons have to do with anything.Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the comedy, just not making the connection of dragons to Jesus.:shuke:
I would have to scroll way back into the thread to confirm, but I think the idea is that, because the earth isn't billions of years old, and because god created all animals first, then man and dinosaurs must have co-existed. Larry Boy then speculates that myths of fire-breathing dragons might really be stories regarding sightings of fire-breathing dinosaurs. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
But if dragons are dinosaurs, then dinosaurs and humans had to co-exist. Saint Peter of Yarrow and Saint Lenny of Lipton wouldn't lie to us would they?
Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called HONALEE, Little Jackie Paper loved that rascal Puff and brought him strings and sealing wax and other fancy stuff.Oh, Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called HONALEE, Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called HONALEE.Together they would travel on a boat with billowed sail, Jackie kept a look out perched on Puff's gigantic tail. Noble Kings and princes would bow whene'er they came, pirate ships would lower their flag when Puff roared out his name.Oh, Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called HONALEE, Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called HONALEE.A dragon lives forever, but not so little boys painted wings and giant's rings make way for other toys. One grey night it happened Jackie Paper came no more and Puff that Mighty Dragon, he ceased his fearless roar.His head was bent in sorrow, green scales fell like rain, Puff no longer went to play along the cherry lane. Without his life-long friend, Puff could not be brave so Puff that Mighty Dragon sadly slipped into his cave.Oh, Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called HONALEE, Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called HONALEE
 
Our religions are "explanations" that are thousands of years old based upon no evidence. Mostly based upon myth. However, we have cleared up a lot of what needed splainin' over the last couple hundred years (i.e. evolution). Therefor, it is my opinion (opinion) that our religions are already antiquated. However, they have SUCH a strong pull for so many, it will take a LONG time for our belief systems to catch up with our new knowledge base and what science has proven to be true.
Religion as a means to explain physical phenomena are basically obsolete. But that's not the only thing that religion does for people.
 
Interesting, Bueno. I've heard that elephant story my whole life, and not once has it come capped with the moral of theological disputes (but that's probably because i went to public schools). Kinda like the teaching of Thanksgiving or Christmas these days.I like it; thanks for posting.
It's a great poem if you're a gnostic.Reminds you that we are like the blind man: finite beings trying to understand the infinite.
The blind man/elephant parallel is currently being used in advanced theoretical physics in attempts at unification. Theory dualities are being explored. For example, instead of being thought of as incompatible theories, things like Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are now being thought of as "different parts of the same elephant". It's leading to some interesting developments. At least, according to Ed Whitten it is. And he's pretty bright.
 
Interesting, Bueno.  I've heard that elephant story my whole life, and not once has it come capped with the moral of theological disputes (but that's probably because i went to public schools).  Kinda like the teaching of Thanksgiving or Christmas these days.I like it; thanks for posting.
It's a great poem if you're a gnostic.Reminds you that we are like the blind man: finite beings trying to understand the infinite.
The blind man/elephant parallel is currently being used in advanced theoretical physics in attempts at unification. Theory dualities are being explored. For example, instead of being thought of as incompatible theories, things like Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are now being thought of as "different parts of the same elephant". It's leading to some interesting developments. At least, according to Ed Whitten it is. And he's pretty bright.
Link? Not being sarcastic. I find the thought interesting.
 
At least in my case, I don't view my Bible as my science textbook. If you are addressing the fact that as more scientific discoveries are made, people who view the Bible as a scientific textbook will have to readdress their fundamental beliefs; then I can agree with you. This in no way make my faith in God obsolete. I would argue that the advancement in science makes me marvel at just how awesome God's creation truely is (admittedly I approach this from the viewpoint of a believer).One commonly used argument is how Europe has moved away from its religious past. I don't think that is necessarily a good thing. There are plenty of swell people in Europe, but I don't aspire to be European.

 

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