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Creepier Belief system (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter ScottNorwood
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Nope, nobody can.
You just asked that. Part of the Theory of Relativity explains gravity. And it's still not provable.
No, they really aren't.
We know evolution's not provable. No scientific theory is. But the evidence supporting it is overwhelming. And no, I'm not going to list it all here for you.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
oh yeah, go read it again now...I fixed it... and again... I want to point out that you know exactly what I meant...
I honestly don't understand how anyone who lives in the year 2004 can attempt to take your side of the argument.So no, I don't know what you are saying. I don't know what you have been saying. I don't really even know if you believe what you are writing.
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larry_boy_44
Footballguy
but all science has is faith, too...evolution is UNPROVABLE therefore it requires faith to believe it heppened...
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CrossEyed
Guest
Mmmmmm, pie. Maybe some popcorn.I'd invite him in for pie. War is hungry business.You've got a deal.
Not really. The chances of life appearing in the first place may be slim, based on the specific conditions required to start the process, but once it's there, if it's susceptible to minor changes ('mutations') and has variable environmental conditions then evolution is an inevitability.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Boy, was I wrong.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
that isn't proof of how the world came to be...that is proof that evolution occurs WITHIN A SPECIESnot evolution from one species to another...
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
how did the eye evolve? It would have been totally useless what, the first 50 evolutions? Seriously, too much is EXACTLY how it needs to be to work for life to be by chance...
pantagrapher
Footballguy
I think the people who are arguing against the probability of evolution have very little understanding of the immense size of the universe. Not to mention the age of the universe.Obviously, evolution would be very far-fetched to someone who believes the earth is a few thousand years old.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Oh really? Well I am referring to accounts from the Bible of the risen Christ that were (oddly) not refuted by contemporaries odf the Gospel writers. In fact two early Jewish writers (Josephus and the other name escapes me) attest to the historical Jesus. Now, certainly, the Jews and the Romans had an interest in quashing any of this resurrection nonsense to keep the early Christians under foot. Yet, we have this phenomenon where people were willing to lay down their life due to what they had seen and believed. Nobody dies for what they know is a lie.The proof to me is the empty tomb.
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CrossEyed
Guest
Isn't that where they're filming the next Survivor?
New species are evolving every day. Some are man-made (new species of plants and some biomedical genetic advances), and some are random (mutation of a gene through exposure to solar radiation).You've just admitted the existence of evolution. Therefore, you've voided your argument that evolution does not and cannot exist.
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CrossEyed
Guest
Amen, brother.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Again, not a new-earther here, but how old would the planet earth have to be to account for the vast number of plants and animals either in existence today or already extinct. I would think that the earth would have to be unimaginably old to support evolution from one source out of the primordial ooze into the vast compilation of flora and fauna we have today.
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CrossEyed
Guest
Then you're not looking very close.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
because most creatures have eyes, genious...my question wasn't where sight came from... its where the eye came form...why do many many creatures have them? How do they work? Where'd they come from? How is having a huge useless bulge on your face attractive to the opposite sex? I mean, really...
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
:bluedjinn:
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
this is where we differ...are wolves and dogs different species? I say, no...do you say yes?what about a Lion and a housecat? Jaguar?What about a horse, mule, donkey, & Zebra?what about big/small mouth basses?granny-smith apple tree vs. red delicious apple tree?those are the SAME SPECIES, just different types of that species....
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Does about 4.5 billion years old work for you?
No, it really wouldn't.Start with light receptive cells, by fluke. Just a cell that can sense light sources. That one becomes a cluster. Then a membrane grows over the cluster. The cluster recedes back into the head, slowly changing shape, becoming more concave. The membranes become thicker. They start to refract light, focuing it. Those that focus best survive. Muscles develop that let the thickness of what is now the lens be changed. An outer flap starts to develop to control the amount of light. And a thicker membrane develops to cover everything.The organ is useful at every step of that development.
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CrossEyed
Guest
That's not the point. The early disciples lived with Jesus. Several of them were there when He was crucified. Several helped to bury the body. If the resurrection was a scam, they would only have been willing to go so far with it. If they knew it was a scam they wouldn't have died a martyrs death.I might die for something if I didn't realize it was a lie, but not if I knew it was a lie.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
And taste identical.
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CrossEyed
Guest
You are absolutely wrong on this. I once dated a girl whose father raised wolves that were 90%-95% pure wolf. That means at some point they had to have been bred with some type of dog.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
So you need an EEG for a man who was beaten beyond recognition and who had his pleural cavity lanced with a spear after hanging nailed to a cross for 3 + hours to prove he was dead? Interesting. Since EEG are a relatively modern invention, does that mean no one died before their invention? Please you can do better than this.As for insurrectiuon, check again, there was active persecution of early Christians from the time of Christ until Constantine (and then again up through modern day in some cultures).These were first-hand accounts, BTW, and I will grant that they were written down some 20 - 120 years after Christ died, probably from a source called Q. Which predated the 4 synoptic gospels (this is speculative). However, who is to say we won't discover writings that bring us closer and closer to the time of Christ? There is no doubt that he was a historical figure. There is no doubt that his followers were actively persecuted. Why would this be?
This is splitting hairs.Millions of Nazis and Communists believed they were right and were willing to die for the cause that they believed.Millions of Christians and Muslims have died because they believed their religion was "right".I see no difference between the disciples and those who KNEW that the earth was flat. Information came out later that invalidated their claim.After all, humans once KNEW that the universe rotated around the earth.We KNEW that heavier-than-air travel was impossible.We KNEW that gods existed
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
No, Captain Condescending, that's not what I'm talking about.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Do tell....
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
The more the creationists post, the closer they get to scientology in the poll. :rotflmao:
Both sides need to stop asking for proof. Neither side can ever provide any so it's foolish to ask for some. Even if God came down today and said "Hi, I'm God, I created the Universe", that's still not proof (just very strong evidence). Everybody really needs to get off of this obsession with 'proof' because nobody seems to understand what the word means.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Link to definitive information that Jesus was not the Son of God please?
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
You tell me, how many years would it take to arrive at the number and variety of plants and animals that we have now?We have evidenced some evolution within our own lifetiome, but certainly nothing on a spectacular scale. Humans have been the same for roughly the last 10,000 years or so (as far as science can tell). I am just curious to how long each iteration takes to lead to so many divergent paths.
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MelvinTScupper
Guest
so, you're saying you can't prove ****.Got it.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
He is the one claiming later information invalidated their claim. I would like to see it.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
The proof is in the pudding!
