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[Cestode]

it doesn't matter, to say something is constant further back than you can prove it is constant is reaching...If you have no benchmark past 10,000 years, you can't age something more than 10,000 years...

This is why I refuse to believe in anything older than 32 years, 8 months and 8 days.

good job there... ignore what I say by taking it to the absolute opposite extreme...I really love how people who don't believe in Creation/Christianity just use sarcasm/insults to argue thier side and NEVER actually say anything and NEVER actually listen to a word that is said... I'd have a better conversation with a wall than most of the people in this thread...

This is seriously the best post I have ever seen in any thread, ever.

...I'll second that...I have a sneaking suspicion that larry is most likely E.O. Wilson... sitting at his computer...wearing an evil little grin...emitting an evil little snicker...It is a known fact, that when not studying modern day, transitional, and ancient species of lizards, he likes to relax in the Harvard Biology Dept. lounge and engage his colleagues in lively debates relating to the dept.'s fantasy football league...or as they call it, in jest of course, ...the Intelligent Designer's football league. E.O. has quite the sense of humor you see...

 

[shuke]

It's easier to be a non Christian.  No standards to adhere to.

That's ridiculous. Just because someone isn't a Christian doesn't mean they don't have standards.I suppose you believe that all non-Christians are lawless, morally bankrupt, lost souls living empty lives.If you've read any of GM's threads you'd know that wasn't the case.

Different set of standards. It is very easy for a non-rligious person to bait a religious person and then declare hypocrisy. This cannot be done in the same sense to folks of a non-religious nature. Your inference that she meant all non-religious people were immoral, lawless, etc. just goes to show you how impossible it is to achieve even footing in these types of conversations. You know darn well what she meant, but you took it to a ridiculous conclusion.

She said "no standards", so I don't think the reaction was that ridiculous.

 

[Jericho]

It's easier to be a non Christian.  No standards to adhere to.

That's ridiculous. Just because someone isn't a Christian doesn't mean they don't have standards.I suppose you believe that all non-Christians are lawless, morally bankrupt, lost souls living empty lives.If you've read any of GM's threads you'd know that wasn't the case.

Different set of standards. It is very easy for a non-rligious person to bait a religious person and then declare hypocrisy. This cannot be done in the same sense to folks of a non-religious nature. Your inference that she meant all non-religious people were immoral, lawless, etc. just goes to show you how impossible it is to achieve even footing in these types of conversations. You know darn well what she meant, but you took it to a ridiculous conclusion.

She said "no standards", so I don't think the reaction was that ridiculous.

A garden gnome with a computer, though, now that's ridiculous.

 

[larry_boy_44]

you still need to explain why modern lizards look and are built like dinosaurs...

What kind of lizard looks like a Triceratops? Or a Diplodocus?

I don't knowa bout those specifically, but let's start with these 5 thoughts:compare iguanas to iguanadons... (seriously)... imagine a little bigger and SLIGHTLY longer legs... }=O)compare anklyosaurus' to bearded dragons... compare chlamedosaurus to frilled dragons... (the spitters from JP, by the way...)compare a basilisk to a parasourolophus or a sailfin... (note the crest on the back of thier heads)how did turtles live through 100 million years of time if they were alive during dinosaur times?? look those ones up... }=O)

 

[Dickies]

what about brontosaurus?Is it a 500 year old giraffe?

 

[Vivian Darkbloom]

compare anklyosaurus' to bearded dragons...

To choose just one, these compare exceptionally well. Remind me again which one was the size of a dumptruck, had the armored shell, the horned growths all over its head and torso, the brain stem in its tail, and the distinctly bird-like hip structure, would you? Cuz' I can't tell the buggers apart.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I'm going because I accepted the free gift that Jesus offers to everyone.

It's not a free gift if you have to do stuff to get it.

You don't have to do anything but accept it.

Accepting it involves sacrifice. It's not like accepting a free toaster.

Every choice you make in life involves sacrifice. For every thing that you choose, there is something that you give up.What sacrifices involved in following Christ do you feel are too great?

I'm not too keen on making any sacrifices to follow Jesus. But that's not the point. My point was that your description of salvation as a "free gift" was inaccurate. It's more of a "limited time offer." You may think it's a great deal, but it isn't free.

It is a free gift. Plus if you accept Jesus now I'll throw in a toaster** Limited time only. Not to be combined with any other offer. Offer not valid in some states. Side affects may occur, consult your doctor.

 

[Jericho]

how did turtles live through 100 million years of time if they were alive during dinosaur times??

They had kids.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

what about brontosaurus?Is it a 500 year old giraffe?

No. The modern giraffe descends from the Zippysaurus.

 

[Noodlefish]

You guys are missing the pont about dinosaurs...No living creature has evolved from brontosaurs, anklyosaurs, triceratops, etc...It was an evolutionary dead-end (well, it was a line that was terminated by an external event - probably a meteorite strike). So nothing is related to them. From a taxonomic point of view, the common ancestor is much earlier...[forgive me if I'm a little rusty - I haven't done much evoluitonary paleantology since aboot 1995... ]

 

[CrossEyed]

So, did anyone see John Travolta on Dave Letterman last night?

 

[tangfoot]

Proposed Life-death-rebirth deities

Aboriginal mythology: Julunggul, Wawalag

Akkadian mythology : Tammuz, Ishtar

Aztec mythology: Xipe, Totec

Celtic mythology: Cernunnos

Christian mythology: Jesus Christ

Egyptian mythology: Isis, Osiris

Etruscan mythology: Atunis

Greek mythology: Adonis, Cronus, Cybele, Dionysus, Orpheus, Persephone

Hindu mythology: Vishnu, Siva

Khoikhoi mythology: Heitsi

Norse mythology: Baldur, Gullveig

Persian mythology: Mithras

Phrygian mythology: Attis

Roman mythology: Aeneas, Bacchus, Proserpina

Sumerian mythology: Damuzi, Inanna

You forgot to add Zoroaster.You can go ahead and consider Jesus to be New Zoroaster. Jesus basically completely stole Zoroaster's schtick and took it big time.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

It's easier to be a non Christian.  No standards to adhere to.

That's ridiculous. Just because someone isn't a Christian doesn't mean they don't have standards.I suppose you believe that all non-Christians are lawless, morally bankrupt, lost souls living empty lives.If you've read any of GM's threads you'd know that wasn't the case.

Different set of standards. It is very easy for a non-rligious person to bait a religious person and then declare hypocrisy. This cannot be done in the same sense to folks of a non-religious nature. Your inference that she meant all non-religious people were immoral, lawless, etc. just goes to show you how impossible it is to achieve even footing in these types of conversations. You know darn well what she meant, but you took it to a ridiculous conclusion.

She said "no standards", so I don't think the reaction was that ridiculous.

A garden gnome with a computer, though, now that's ridiculous.

We agree on something. Now I want to know, did the garden gnome evolve from the lawn jockey???

 

[dgreen]

What is }=O)?

 

[Gigantomachia]

Proposed Life-death-rebirth deities

Aboriginal mythology: Julunggul, Wawalag

Akkadian mythology : Tammuz, Ishtar

Aztec mythology: Xipe, Totec

Celtic mythology: Cernunnos

Christian mythology: Jesus Christ

Egyptian mythology: Isis, Osiris

Etruscan mythology: Atunis

Greek mythology: Adonis, Cronus, Cybele, Dionysus, Orpheus, Persephone

Hindu mythology: Vishnu, Siva

Khoikhoi mythology: Heitsi

Norse mythology: Baldur, Gullveig

Persian mythology: Mithras

Phrygian mythology: Attis

Roman mythology: Aeneas, Bacchus, Proserpina

Sumerian mythology: Damuzi, Inanna

You forgot to add Zoroaster.You can go ahead and consider Jesus to be New Zoroaster. Jesus basically completely stole Zoroaster's schtick and took it big time.

Nietzsche, is that you

 

[tangfoot]

Nietzsche, is that you

No. I'm Strauss. I like to Waltz.

 

[CrossEyed]

You know, John Travolta, the Scientologist?

 

[tangfoot]

You know John Travolta, the Scientologist?

Never met him.

 

[Vivian Darkbloom]

What is }=O)?

I think it's a penis running into a trampoline.

 

[Bubba]

What is }=O)?

looks satanic...

 

[dickey moe]

you still need to explain why modern lizards look and are built like dinosaurs...

What kind of lizard looks like a Triceratops? Or a Diplodocus?

Evolutionists argue that modern day lizards and other reptiles are quite divergent from "the dinosaurs." The closest living relatives of the typical Jurrassic era dinosaurs are birds, which are considered actually to be dinosaurs by systematists using cladistic analysis (study of lineages and evolutionary relationships).

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

What is }=O)?

I think it's a penis running into a trampoline.

Diaphragm???

 

[shining path]

it doesn't matter, to say something is constant further back than you can prove it is constant is reaching...If you have no benchmark past 10,000 years, you can't age something more than 10,000 years...

This is why I refuse to believe in anything older than 32 years, 8 months and 8 days.

good job there... ignore what I say by taking it to the absolute opposite extreme...I really love how people who don't believe in Creation/Christianity just use sarcasm/insults to argue thier side and NEVER actually say anything and NEVER actually listen to a word that is said... I'd have a better conversation with a wall than most of the people in this thread...

This is seriously the best post I have ever seen in any thread, ever.

...I'll second that...I have a sneaking suspicion that larry is most likely E.O. Wilson... sitting at his computer...wearing an evil little grin...emitting an evil little snicker...It is a known fact, that when not studying modern day, transitional, and ancient species of lizards, he likes to relax in the Harvard Biology Dept. lounge and engage his colleagues in lively debates relating to the dept.'s fantasy football league...or as they call it, in jest of course, ...the Intelligent Designer's football league. E.O. has quite the sense of humor you see...

THIS is the best post I've seen in any thread, ever.

 

[Jericho]

THIS is the best post I've seen in any thread, ever.

Even better than Amoeba Knievel?

 

[Statorama]

I believe that none of you actually exist, and this is all just a very bad dream I'm having.If you believe this also, you can call yourself a Statoramatist (although others will likely call you much worse).

 

[ScottNorwood]

I believe that none of you actually exist, and this is all just a very bad dream I'm having.If you believe this also, you can call yourself a Statoramatist (although others will likely call you much worse).

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

 

[Jericho]

I believe that none of you actually exist, and this is all just a very bad dream I'm having.If you believe this also, you can call yourself a Statoramatist (although others will likely call you much worse).

Do I have to believe that you're part of a really bad dream that I'm having, or that I'm part of a really bad dream that you're having?

 

[Statorama]

I believe that none of you actually exist, and this is all just a very bad dream I'm having.If you believe this also, you can call yourself a Statoramatist (although others will likely call you much worse).

Do I have to believe that you're part of a really bad dream that I'm having, or that I'm part of a really bad dream that you're having?

I've already subconsciously had a tiger attack Roy Horn in my dream, don't make me do it again.

 

[Hov34]

If you believe this also, you can call yourself a Statoramatist

I used to play this when I was a kid, always trying to roll a 1 and a 5 to get a homerun - Great game!!!

 

[Jericho]

I believe that none of you actually exist, and this is all just a very bad dream I'm having.If you believe this also, you can call yourself a Statoramatist (although others will likely call you much worse).

Do I have to believe that you're part of a really bad dream that I'm having, or that I'm part of a really bad dream that you're having?

I've already subconsciously had a tiger attack Roy Horn in my dream, don't make me do it again.

THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!

 

[CrossEyed]

If you believe this also, you can call yourself a Statoramatist

I used to play this when I was a kid, always trying to roll a 1 and a 5 to get a homerun - Great game!!!

APBA was better.

 

[Jayrok]

I'm going because I accepted the free gift that Jesus offers to everyone.

It's not a free gift if you have to do stuff to get it.

You don't have to do anything but accept it.

The free gift of salvation.. Do you have to believe Jesus was resurrected and is the son of God to qualify for this free gift? or is it just free to everyone?because for some people, although they would love to go to heaven, it is just hard to believe in something like that.. I think that's what fatguy means by the "stuff you have to do" for this free gift. Even believing in something isn't as easy as it seems..

 

[larry_boy_44]

how did turtles live through 100 million years of time if they were alive during dinosaur times??

They had kids.

how did they survive when pretty much everything was dead for millions of years? what happened between dinosaurs and 10,000 BC???

 

[larry_boy_44]

You guys are missing the pont about dinosaurs...No living creature has evolved from brontosaurs, anklyosaurs, triceratops, etc...It was an evolutionary dead-end (well, it was a line that was terminated by an external event - probably a meteorite strike). So nothing is related to them. From a taxonomic point of view, the common ancestor is much earlier...[forgive me if I'm a little rusty - I haven't done much evoluitonary paleantology since aboot 1995... ]

the question is why do a number of modern lizards look EXACTLY like miniature versions of dinosaurs then? Wouldn't that support the thought that dinosaurs didn't live millions of years ago???

 

[larry_boy_44]

What is }=O)?

a smiley face... kinda like the emoticons, but only I use it...}=O)

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Do you have to believe Jesus was resurrected and is the son of God to qualify for this free gift? or is it just free to everyone?because for some people, although they would love to go to heaven, it is just hard to believe in something like that.. I think that's what fatguy means by the "stuff you have to do" for this free gift. Even believing in something isn't as easy as it seems..

Mostly I was talking about giving up sodomy.

 

[Bubba]

how did turtles live through 100 million years of time if they were alive during dinosaur times??

They had kids.

how did they survive when pretty much everything was dead for millions of years? what happened between dinosaurs and 10,000 BC???

nothing, because it's all fake.go burn your galileo action figure.

 

[larry_boy_44]

you still need to explain why modern lizards look and are built like dinosaurs...

What kind of lizard looks like a Triceratops? Or a Diplodocus?

Evolutionists argue that modern day lizards and other reptiles are quite divergent from "the dinosaurs." The closest living relatives of the typical Jurrassic era dinosaurs are birds, which are considered actually to be dinosaurs by systematists using cladistic analysis (study of lineages and evolutionary relationships).

HOW?!?!I thought all dinosaurs DIED, not became smaller and evolved to birds...if the meteor that hit the earth (or whatever the theory is now) destroyed life on earth, how did the dinosaurs survive to become birds? I thought they all died...

 

[ScottNorwood]

You guys are missing the pont about dinosaurs...No living creature has evolved from brontosaurs, anklyosaurs, triceratops, etc...It was an evolutionary dead-end (well, it was a line that was terminated by an external event - probably a meteorite strike). So nothing is related to them. From a taxonomic point of view, the common ancestor is much earlier...[forgive me if I'm a little rusty - I haven't done much evoluitonary paleantology since aboot 1995... ]

the question is why do a number of modern lizards look EXACTLY like miniature versions of dinosaurs then? Wouldn't that support the thought that dinosaurs didn't live millions of years ago???

He doesn't really believe this. He's just stirring the pot.

 

[larry_boy_44]

The free gift of salvation.. Do you have to believe Jesus was resurrected and is the son of God to qualify for this free gift? or is it just free to everyone?because for some people, although they would love to go to heaven, it is just hard to believe in something like that.. I think that's what fatguy means by the "stuff you have to do" for this free gift. Even believing in something isn't as easy as it seems..

its "free" because you don't have to pay for it...its "free" because it was payed for already...The reason Christians say it is a "free gift of salvation" is not because it costs you anything here on earth... It does cost things... We need to repent... repentance is turning away from teh sin that is in our lives.... that is a cost...The reason it is "Free" however, is because the price of sin is death... That death is payed for in full through Christ's death...That is why salvation is a "free gift"... it is free in a different sense than what it is being spoken of as....

 

[larry_boy_44]

You guys are missing the pont about dinosaurs...No living creature has evolved from brontosaurs, anklyosaurs, triceratops, etc...It was an evolutionary dead-end (well, it was a line that was terminated by an external event - probably a meteorite strike). So nothing is related to them. From a taxonomic point of view, the common ancestor is much earlier...[forgive me if I'm a little rusty - I haven't done much evoluitonary paleantology since aboot 1995... ]

the question is why do a number of modern lizards look EXACTLY like miniature versions of dinosaurs then? Wouldn't that support the thought that dinosaurs didn't live millions of years ago???

He doesn't really believe this. He's just stirring the pot.

will I get an answer to teh question?*doubts it*

 

[Jayrok]

Nobody dies for what they know is a lie.

Many millions of people have died for what we NOW KNOW to be a lie.

That's not the point. The early disciples lived with Jesus. Several of them were there when He was crucified. Several helped to bury the body. If the resurrection was a scam, they would only have been willing to go so far with it. If they knew it was a scam they wouldn't have died a martyrs death.I might die for something if I didn't realize it was a lie, but not if I knew it was a lie.

The disciples scattered when Jesus was arrested.. The only one noted to be at the actual crucifixion is John.. at least that is what it says in his gospel. He was there with Jesus' mother. Matthew reports that only Joseph of Arimathea buried Jesus.. no mention of any disciples of Jesus helping with the burial.

Mark reports the same Joseph burying Jesus. One thing interesting about Mark is that he says Joseph rolled the stone over the entrance to the tomb when he was done.

I thought the stone was too heavy for someone to roll it away? If he could roll it, is it not possible for someone else, say a disciple or two to roll it away in the night?

Luke reports that Joseph buried Jesus. The two Mary's watched him.

John reports that Joseph buried Jesus with the help of Nicodemus.. also according to John, this tomb was new and no one had ever been placed there..

The only odd thing about this is that it is claimed that Jesus is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53.. but in Isaiah 53:9 it says:

"They buried him with the wicked,

threw him in a grave with a rich man,

Even though he'd never hurt a soul

or said one word that wasn't true. - The Message

"He was assigned a grave with the wicked,

and with the rich in his death,

though he had done no violence,

nor was any deceit in his mouth. " - NIV

If Jesus was the guy in Isaiah 53 (which is paramount to christianity), then he was supposed to be buried with wicked men. The gospels say he was buried alone in a new tomb.

Did the NT writers overlook this small detail?

 

[Jericho]

how did turtles live through 100 million years of time if they were alive during dinosaur times??

They had kids.

how did they survive when pretty much everything was dead for millions of years? what happened between dinosaurs and 10,000 BC???

I wish to unsubscribe from your newsletter.

 

[Jericho]

You guys are missing the pont about dinosaurs...No living creature has evolved from brontosaurs, anklyosaurs, triceratops, etc...It was an evolutionary dead-end (well, it was a line that was terminated by an external event - probably a meteorite strike). So nothing is related to them. From a taxonomic point of view, the common ancestor is much earlier...[forgive me if I'm a little rusty - I haven't done much evoluitonary paleantology since aboot 1995... ]

the question is why do a number of modern lizards look EXACTLY like miniature versions of dinosaurs then? Wouldn't that support the thought that dinosaurs didn't live millions of years ago???

He doesn't really believe this. He's just stirring the pot.

will I get an answer to teh question?*doubts it*

The answer is because it's an efficient body shape for accomplishing certain tasks if you're a reptile. It therefore gets preferentially selected over time.

 

[Jayrok]

The free gift of salvation.. Do you have to believe Jesus was resurrected and is the son of God to qualify for this free gift? or is it just free to everyone?because for some people, although they would love to go to heaven, it is just hard to believe in something like that.. I think that's what fatguy means by the "stuff you have to do" for this free gift. Even believing in something isn't as easy as it seems..

its "free" because you don't have to pay for it...its "free" because it was payed for already...The reason Christians say it is a "free gift of salvation" is not because it costs you anything here on earth... It does cost things... We need to repent... repentance is turning away from teh sin that is in our lives.... that is a cost...The reason it is "Free" however, is because the price of sin is death... That death is payed for in full through Christ's death...That is why salvation is a "free gift"... it is free in a different sense than what it is being spoken of as....

the payment for this free gift is your belief in the whole thing. Otherwise, everyone would be saved and there would be no point in debating any of this.

 

[larry_boy_44]

You guys are missing the pont about dinosaurs...No living creature has evolved from brontosaurs, anklyosaurs, triceratops, etc...It was an evolutionary dead-end (well, it was a line that was terminated by an external event - probably a meteorite strike). So nothing is related to them. From a taxonomic point of view, the common ancestor is much earlier...[forgive me if I'm a little rusty - I haven't done much evoluitonary paleantology since aboot 1995... ]

the question is why do a number of modern lizards look EXACTLY like miniature versions of dinosaurs then? Wouldn't that support the thought that dinosaurs didn't live millions of years ago???

He doesn't really believe this. He's just stirring the pot.

will I get an answer to teh question?*doubts it*

The answer is because it's an efficient body shape for accomplishing certain tasks if you're a reptile. It therefore gets preferentially selected over time.

but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...and it isn't always the same shape... there are multiple examples of this (I gave 4 earlier in the thread.... either no one noticed it or no one could answer it...)its not like all 4 of those reptiles look alike (I think none of them really look alike), but they all look like different dinosaurs... how does this happen?How does the whole of reptiles somehow evolve itself into miniature versions of itself 100,000,000 years after they go extint in huge forms?

 

[larry_boy_44]

The free gift of salvation..  Do you have to believe Jesus was resurrected and is the son of God to qualify for this free gift?  or is it just free to everyone?because for some people, although they would love to go to heaven, it is just hard to believe in something like that.. I think that's what fatguy means by the "stuff you have to do" for this free gift.  Even believing in something isn't as easy as it seems..

its "free" because you don't have to pay for it...its "free" because it was payed for already...The reason Christians say it is a "free gift of salvation" is not because it costs you anything here on earth... It does cost things... We need to repent... repentance is turning away from teh sin that is in our lives.... that is a cost...The reason it is "Free" however, is because the price of sin is death... That death is payed for in full through Christ's death...That is why salvation is a "free gift"... it is free in a different sense than what it is being spoken of as....

the payment for this free gift is your belief in the whole thing. Otherwise, everyone would be saved and there would be no point in debating any of this.

is the belief really a payment?

 

[Jayrok]

Do you have to believe Jesus was resurrected and is the son of God to qualify for this free gift? or is it just free to everyone?because for some people, although they would love to go to heaven, it is just hard to believe in something like that.. I think that's what fatguy means by the "stuff you have to do" for this free gift. Even believing in something isn't as easy as it seems..

Mostly I was talking about giving up sodomy.

well if it's with the wife, I don't know that it's taboo..

 

[Jericho]

How does the whole of reptiles somehow evolve itself into miniature versions of itself 100,000,000 years after they go extint in huge forms?

Now we're at the entire reptile world? What happened to 4?

 

[ScottNorwood]

but they're not just similar... they are EXACT, just smaller...

:rotflmao: You're just wrong. You can argue any point if you make stuff up.