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Culpepper Visits Bucs? (1 Viewer)
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And then have another head coaching job before he gets to his car.Gruden is in panic mode! He's gonna get canned after this year.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Culpepper to Lions
JaxBill
Footballguy
ericttspikes
Footballguy
With all the QB's that went down last year, I think any team would be crazy not to consider rostering the guy. Culpepper was an elite QB just a few years ago.
Warpig
Footballguy
Overrated.But if Art Shell can get a HC job (last year), I guess Chucky could slide in somewhere and gradually turn the franchise into a bottomfeeder.And then have another head coaching job before he gets to his car.Gruden is in panic mode! He's gonna get canned after this year.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Maybe Alex Smith isn't working out as a TE and they need another one.
gump
Footballguy
No surprise.
What exactly does everyone think the Bucs will do in '08 and forward? Obviously Simms fits Gruden's offense like a square peg in a round hole. He'll be gone soon. Grads is nothing more than a backup, IMO. Certainly not someone who can carry a team. Culpepper OTH can when healthy, and is 7 years younger than Jeff Garcia.
Gruden is thinking about the future.
What exactly does everyone think the Bucs will do in '08 and forward? Obviously Simms fits Gruden's offense like a square peg in a round hole. He'll be gone soon. Grads is nothing more than a backup, IMO. Certainly not someone who can carry a team. Culpepper OTH can when healthy, and is 7 years younger than Jeff Garcia.
Gruden is thinking about the future.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Overrated.But if Art Shell can get a HC job (last year), I guess Chucky could slide in somewhere and gradually turn the franchise into a bottomfeeder.And then have another head coaching job before he gets to his car.
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Oakland Raiders 1998 8 8 0 Oakland Raiders 1999 8 8 0 Oakland Raiders 2000 12 4 0 Oakland Raiders 2001 10 6 0Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2002 12 4 0 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2003 7 9 0 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2004 5 11 0 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2005 11 5 0 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2006 4 12 0 Totals 77wins - 66losses 1 Super Bowl
To me his carreer record is much more impressive than a lot of the coaches currently coaching. Do you honestly believe that a there is any coach in the NFL that could have taken last years bucs to the playoffs?
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Warpig
Footballguy
No, nothing personal against Gruden, I just think he's starting to crack. And I'm not sold on his SuperBowl. Everybody knows that was Dungy's team he took to the Super Bowl.In my book, he's only slightly better than Jack Del Rio...whom I think is overrated as well (Jags fan).The Bucs made the playoffs two years ago.......You must just hate GrudenCode:Oakland Raiders 1998 8 8 0 Oakland Raiders 1999 8 8 0 Oakland Raiders 2000 12 4 0 Oakland Raiders 2001 10 6 0Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2002 12 4 0 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2003 7 9 0 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2004 5 11 0 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2005 11 5 0 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2006 4 12 0 Totals 77wins - 66losses 1 Super Bowl
gump
Footballguy
Jebus...not again.No, nothing personal against Gruden, I just think he's starting to crack. And I'm not sold on his SuperBowl. Everybody knows that was Dungy's team he took to the Super Bowl.Overrated.But if Art Shell can get a HC job (last year), I guess Chucky could slide in somewhere and gradually turn the franchise into a bottomfeeder.And then have another head coaching job before he gets to his car.Gruden is in panic mode! He's gonna get canned after this year.
The Bucs made the playoffs two years ago.......You must just hate GrudenCode:Oakland Raiders 1998 8 8 0 Oakland Raiders 1999 8 8 0 Oakland Raiders 2000 12 4 0 Oakland Raiders 2001 10 6 0Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2002 12 4 0 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2003 7 9 0 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2004 5 11 0 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2005 11 5 0 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2006 4 12 0 Totals 77wins - 66losses 1 Super BowlTo me his carreer record is much more impressive than a lot of the coaches currently coaching. Do you honestly believe that a there is any coach in the NFL that could have taken last years bucs to the playoffs?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I threw the Bucs into the mix on the FBG blog the other day:
Daunte Culpepper: Potential Landing Spots
Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Is there a QB Jon Gruden doesn’t want to take a look at? Culpepper could stay in Florida, play in a WCO, and has the mobility (when healthy) that Gruden covets. Not likely to happen, but certainly not illogical either.
Maybe I should've dropped that "not likely to happen" line
Daunte Culpepper: Potential Landing Spots
Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Is there a QB Jon Gruden doesn’t want to take a look at? Culpepper could stay in Florida, play in a WCO, and has the mobility (when healthy) that Gruden covets. Not likely to happen, but certainly not illogical either.
Maybe I should've dropped that "not likely to happen" line
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Does Joe pay you per sarcastic smilie?Culpepper to Lions
Great move by the Bucs IMO.
-I am hearing there is a possibility Simms starts on the PUP list
-All signs point to Plummer retireing, even though the jerk for some reason wont turn in his retirement papers
-That leaves us with Grads and Mcnown if Garcia is injured
-Tampa has used a backup QB every year since JG arrived even SB year, several years using all 3 QBs on roster
-Atlanta will probably bring in Culpeper, if anything we can drive up the price for our division rival
-I am hearing there is a possibility Simms starts on the PUP list
-All signs point to Plummer retireing, even though the jerk for some reason wont turn in his retirement papers
-That leaves us with Grads and Mcnown if Garcia is injured
-Tampa has used a backup QB every year since JG arrived even SB year, several years using all 3 QBs on roster
-Atlanta will probably bring in Culpeper, if anything we can drive up the price for our division rival
Futz
Footballguy
noCulpepper to Lions
Capella
Footballguy
You don't want to incur my wrath on this topic.
Warpig
Footballguy
Culpepper's quick decision making would make him an ideal WCO QB.I threw the Bucs into the mix on the FBG blog the other day:
Daunte Culpepper: Potential Landing Spots
Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Is there a QB Jon Gruden doesn’t want to take a look at? Culpepper could stay in Florida, play in a WCO, and has the mobility (when healthy) that Gruden covets. Not likely to happen, but certainly not illogical either.
Maybe I should've dropped that "not likely to happen" line
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
You mean that same team that Dungy couldn't take to the Super Bowl?Gruden took over a good team and made them a SB winner. This isn't like Barry Switzer coming in and taking a back to back SB winner to the SB with the exact same team 2 years later. Maybe that's taking someone else's team to the SB.So do you discount Bellichick for taking Parcells (or Pete Carroll's) team to the Super Bowl? They didn't have a losing record from Parcells '96 SB team until '01 when Belichick took over. It's not like they were an all new team either. McGinnest, Law, Milloy and Bruschi all played for that '96 team.
Gruden took over an excellent team, I think good is understating it. FWIW I do think there is something to the "Dungy's team" stuff but not as harsh as some make it out to be. I was a huge fan of Dungy's team's mindset when he was in Tampa and also think Gruden inheritted a nice nice staff too. So IMO Gruden got them "over a hump" that Dungy could not do and didn't do in Indy for years, BUT Dungy did put his stamp all over that team.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Where would 27-37 fit into your lexicon?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Fair point.In all seriousness Cappy, how do you look at this QB situation? It seems Gruden is clearly looking for a change (trading for Plummer, bringing in Garcia, bringing in Culpepper for an interview), so then why not go ahead and cut ties to Simms, Gradkowski, McCown, etc...?I don't believe I've called Gruden 'excellent' recently either.Jason Wood said:Where would 27-37 fit into your lexicon?Capella said:
Capella
Footballguy
I don't know what he's doing. I hated the Garcia signing as I thought Simms had some potential and this pretty much kills it...but he's also 37 and has no long-term future with the team. I just hate the play for now, damn tomorrow approach.I wouldn't be upset with Culpepper though. He's at least still young and has had somewhat recent NFL success. With Jeff around this year, they could give him another season to rehab up and compete in 08 for the job. I think Simms is gone this off-season and Gradkowski will remain the third-stringer. McCown probably doesn't make it out of camp, unless they PUP Simms.
In Grudens defense, he hasn't really had too many options. This was a bad year for FA QBs, and we missed out on Jamarcus Russell. We can all agree Brady would have been a big reach at #4, and I wouldn't want Trent Green either. Garcia was the best option, and to be honest I have wanted him for several years. I was calling Garcia to Tampa in late November (pat myself on the back).Last year was a better year for FA QBs, but we couldn't afford Breeze. It would have been nice to keep Griese, but we couldn't afford him at the time. The only criticism I have for TB regarding QBs is why they even gave Simms the contract they didFair point.In all seriousness Cappy, how do you look at this QB situation? It seems Gruden is clearly looking for a change (trading for Plummer, bringing in Garcia, bringing in Culpepper for an interview), so then why not go ahead and cut ties to Simms, Gradkowski, McCown, etc...?I don't believe I've called Gruden 'excellent' recently either.Jason Wood said:Where would 27-37 fit into your lexicon?Capella said:
It's beginning to look pretty stupid now with the rumors he may go on PUP. Cappy, I know you think Garcia is a quick fix, but what better option was there this off-season? I guess they could have drafted a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round, but you can't bank on those guys either.As far as cutting ties, see my post above about the Buc's needing to use 2nd & 3rd string QBs every year Gruden has been here. We are going to need 4 capable QBs headed into training camp. History has shown 1 will get hurt during camp, and at least 1 will get hurt or pulled by JG during the first 4 games of the season.
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Capella
Footballguy
Well in light of the evidence that Simms may not be ready for the season, I guess there wasn't one. Back in February, everybody thought he'd be ok. Fwiw, I'd rather have Brady Quinn over Gaines Adams at this point. Everything I've read about Gaines makes me think he has huge bust potential. Lazy, unmotivated, didn't play well in big games in college. Hope I'm wrong.
me eitherI don't believe I've called Gruden 'excellent' recently either.Jason Wood said:Where would 27-37 fit into your lexicon?Capella said:
You snipped my reply to a previous post and now we've come full circle. I don't believe we're disagreeing
I would agree if Brady would have been drafted in the top 15, but he dropped pretty far. I am a little weary about Gaines Adams as well, but I am feeling better after the Dwight Freeny deal. DE's are becoming like OT, they are premium players that teams don't let go. And he does come across as lazy, maybe he is still smoking the kush.
JaxBill
Footballguy
FWIW, on his weekly radio show tonight, Jack Del Rio said that the Jags signing Culpepper is basically dead. Jags want to sign him as a backup.
No link yet, but there's discussion on the Jags MB:
http://mb.jaguars.com/Topic284065-6-1.aspx
No link yet, but there's discussion on the Jags MB:
http://mb.jaguars.com/Topic284065-6-1.aspx
gump
Footballguy
He won't get that from anyone.
