Currently, who are the 10 best receiving RB's, and who are the 10 best dump-off QB's? (1 Viewer)

[TheWinz]

Rather than make this a poll, I decided to let everyone come up with their own lists. Whatcha got?

 

[Long Ball Larry]

10 off the top of my head in no particular order

Barkley
Mccaffrey
Etienne
Gainwell
Swift
Aaron jones
Ekeler
Kamara
Bijan
Hines

 

[Mister CIA]

I have Stevenson and Gibbs in my top-5.

 

[Tau837]

Gotta mention Breece Hall here. PFF graded 44 RBs with 30+ targets in 2023 (regular season and postseason). Among them, Hall was:

• #2 in targets (90)
• #2 in receptions (76)
• #2 in receiving yards (591)
• #12 in YPR (7.8)
• #2 in YPRR (1.76)
• #2 in YAC (642)
• #18 in YAC/reception (8.4)
• #2 in first downs (28)
• Tied for #3 in receiving TDs (4)
• #12 in passer rating when targeted (104.2)
• #1 in missed tackles forced (31)
• #1 in PFF receiving grade (88.6)

 

[travdogg]

Dumpoffs are somewhat of an interesting thing to me, because I think they are often dependent on who you are dumping off to, and the offensive system. For example, I think Kirk Cousins is absolutely a dumpoff QB, however, his dumpoffs have historically been to TEs (Hockenson/Reed) who tend to operate closer to the line of scrimmage. That really isn't Pitts game, so I think those could go to Bijan (an excellent receiving RB) now, but I don't think that changes who Cousins is so to speak.

I'll bold QB/RB teammates

Anyway, in no particular order my top-10 dumpoff QBs are:
Kirk Cousins
Jared Goff
Matthew Stafford
Gardner Minshew (that could absolutely be Bowers)
Derek Carr
Aaron Rodgers
Tua Tagovailoa (he hits lots of big plays as his weapons do a lot RAC wise, but he throws a lot of shorties too)
Brock Purdy (some of those are to Deebo as well)
Baker Mayfield
Will Levis (which I think we will see a lot more of with Henry gone and Callahan on board)

My top-10 receiving RBs, again in no real order:
Bijan Robinson
Christian McCaffrey
Breece Hall
Alvin Kamara
Jahmyr Gibbs
Aaron Jones
Jaylen Warren (who I think could lose some targets, especially if/when Fields gets in the lineup)
Isiah Pacheco (I've always liked him as a receiver, they just liked McKinnon there, with him gone, I think Pacheco could get 60+ catches, especially if Rice is out)
De'Von Achane
Josh Jacobs (underused almost his entire career as a pass catcher, and may continue to be)

Just to address some names I left off:
Kyren Williams, I think Stafford is great for receiving RBs (Bush, Bell, Riddick) but I don't think that's a huge part of McVay's offense.
Saquon Barkley, I think he's always been slightly overrated (as a pass catcher, and overall) he got funneled lots of targets because he was on teams with horrible weapons. He'll be no higher than 4th in Philly, and playing with a QB who doesn't check down (unless Hurts goes down, and Pickett takes over)
D'Andre Swift, I think he played with 2 really good checkdown QBs in Stafford and Goff. Another overrated talent, though he's certainly better at pass catching (not running) than Herbert.
Rhamondre Stevenson, little but like Barkley, where I think his targets were inflated by lack of other options. 2022 is likely an outlier. I do like him as a player though.
Austin Ekeler, this one pains me, as I have been a big fan since 2018. I think I was in denial a bit for much of last season, but he looks close to done to me. Combine that with a non-checkdown QB, and a non-checkdown OC (things he's never had before) and I think he's off the list.

 

[miqws]

Top sixteen RBs by receiving yardage last year. Surprises for me were Perine, Washington RB total, J. Ford TDs, and no Saquon. I’ll be getting a lot of Blake Watson in rookie drafts as a late round dart throw.

2023	Player	GP	Rec	Targets	Yds	Avg	TD	Yds/game
1	B. Hall	17	76	95	591	7.78	4	34.76
2	C. McCaffrey	16	67	83	564	8.42	7	35.25
3	R. White	17	64	70	549	8.58	3	32.29
4	B. Robinson	17	58	86	487	8.40	4	28.65
5	T. Etienne Jr	17	58	73	476	8.21	1	28.00
6	A. Kamara	13	75	86	466	6.21	1	35.85
7	S. Perine	17	50	56	455	9.10	0	26.76
8	J. Cook	17	44	54	445	10.11	4	26.18
9	A. Ekeler	14	51	74	436	8.55	1	31.14
10	A. Gibson	16	48	59	389	8.10	2	24.31
11	T. Spears	17	52	70	385	7.40	1	22.65
12	J. Mixon	17	52	64	376	7.23	3	22.12
13	J. Warren	17	61	74	370	6.07	0	21.76
14	B. Robinson Jr	15	36	43	368	10.22	4	24.53
15	J. Ford	17	44	63	319	7.25	5	18.76
16	J. Gibbs	15	52	71	316	6.08	1	21.07

 

[BobbyLayne]

YRR (rr)
min 27 targets - Top 43 sample size

1. 2.09 Samaje Perine (218)
2. 1.76 Breece Hall (336)
3. 1.73 Alvin Kamara (269)
4. 1.68 Brian Robinson (219)
5. 1.63 Jaleel McLaughlin (98)
6. 1.45 James Cook (308)
6. 1.45 Jaylen Warren (256)
8. 1.40 Aaron Jones (167)
9. 1.35 Christian McCaffrey (417)
10.1.34 Javonte Williams (170)
11. 1.30 Kenneth Walker III (200)
12 1.27 Ezekiel Elliott (247)
12. 1.27 Tyjae Spears (303)
14. 1.25 Austin Ekeler (349)
15. 1.24 Josh Jacobs (238)
16. 1.22 Derrick Henry (175)
16. 1.22 Antonio Gibson (318)
16. 1.22 Rachaad White (451)
19. 1.18 Travis Etienne Jr (404)
20. 1.16 Bijan Robinson (421)
21. 1.12 De'Von Achane (172)
22. 1.10 Jerick McKinnon (175)
22. 1.10 Roschon Johnson (190)
24. 1.01 Joe Mixon (373)
25. 1.00 Jerome Ford (320)
26. 0.97 Jahmyr Gibbs (325)
27. 0.95 Rhamondre Stevenson (251)
28. 0.92 Saquon Barkley (306)
29. 0.91 Isiah Pacheco (268)
30. 0.88 Justice Hill (233)
31. 0.85 Najee Harris (201)
32. 0.82 James Conner (201)

routes run

1. 451 Rachaad White
2. 421 Bijan Robinson
3. 417 Christian McCaffrey
4. 404 Travis Etienne Jr.
5. 401 Tony Pollard
6. 373 Joe Mixon
7. 349 Austin Ekeler
8. 336 Breece Hall
9. 325 Jahmyr Gibbs
10. 323 Kyren Williams
11. 320 Jerome Ford
12. 318 Antonio Gibson
13. 308 James Cook
14. 306 Saquon Barkley
15. 303 Tyjae Spears
16. 295 Devin Singletary
16. 295 Chuba Hubbard
18. 279 D'Andre Swift
19. 278 Alexander Mattison
20. 276 Zach Charbonnet
21. 269 Alvin Kamara
22. 268 Isiah Pacheco
23. 256 Jaylen Warren
24. 251 Rhamondre Stevenson
25. 247 Ezekiel Elliott
26. 238 Josh Jacobs
27. 233 Zack Moss
27. 233 Justice Hill
29. 225 Kenneth Gainwell
30. 219 Brian Robinson
31. 218 Samaje Perine
32. 211 Miles Sanders

Slot snaps

1. 93 Bijan Robinson
2. 89 Christian McCaffrey
3. 63 De'Von Achane
4. 43 Rachaad White
5. 38 Saquon Barkley
6. 36 Jahmyr Gibbs
7. 33 Tyjae Spears
8. 32 Tony Pollard
9. 30 James Cook
10. 29 Ezekiel Elliott
11. 27 Devin Singletary
11. 27 D'Andre Swift
11. 27 Travis Etienne Jr.
14. 26 Kenneth Walker III
14. 26 Rhamondre Stevenson
16. 25 Jaylen Warren
17. 22 Zach Charbonnet
18. 21 Kenneth Gainwell
18. 21 Kyren Williams
18. 21 Austin Ekeler

Slot %

1. 34.8% De'Von Achane
2. 18.7% Bijan Robinson
3. 18.4% Christian McCaffrey
4. 10.2% Jaleel McLaughlin
5. 9.8% Kenneth Walker III
6. 9.4% Jahmyr Gibbs
7. 9.0% Saquon Barkley
8. 8.9% Ezekiel Elliott
9. 8.4% Rhamondre Stevenson
10. 8.2% James Cook
11. 8.1% Tyjae Spears
12. 8.0% D'Andre Swift
13. 7.8% Rachaad White
14. 7.4% Jaylen Warren
15. 7.1% Devin Singletary
16. 7.0% Kenneth Gainwell
17 6.3% Zach Charbonnet
18. 6.0% Miles Sanders
18. 6.0% Tony Pollard
20. 5.8% Aaron Jones

Wide snaps

1. 62 Rachaad White
2. 55 Bijan Robinson
3. 46 Christian McCaffrey
4. 44 Travis Etienne Jr.
4. 44 Jahmyr Gibbs
6. 43 Breece Hall
7. 42 D'Andre Swift
8. 39 Tony Pollard
9. 37 Kenneth Gainwell
9. 37 Tyjae Spears
11. 36 Saquon Barkley
12. 35 Miles Sanders
12. 35 James Cook
14. 31 Kenneth Walker III
14. 31 Austin Ekeler
16. 27 James Conner
16. 27 Jaleel McLaughlin
16. 27 Devin Singletary
19. 25 Rhamondre Stevenson
20. 22 De'Von Achane
20. 22 Zach Charbonnet
20. 22 Antonio Gibson
20. 22 Ezekiel Elliott
20. 22 Joe Mixon

Wide %

1. 25.0% Jaleel McLaughlin
2. 13.2% Miles Sanders
3. 12.5% D'Andre Swift
4. 12.4% Kenneth Gainwell
5. 12.2% De'Von Achane
6. 11.7% Kenneth Walker III
7. 11.5% Jahmyr Gibbs
8. 11.3% Rachaad White
9. 11.0% Bijan Robinson
10. 10.5% Breece Hall
11. 10.0% James Conner
12. 9.6% James Cook
13 9.5% Christian McCaffrey
14 9.1% Tyjae Spears
15 8.9% Aaron Jones
16 8.5% Saquon Barkley
17 8.1% Rhamondre Stevenson
18 8.0% Travis Etienne Jr.
19 7.4% Austin Ekeler
20 7.3% Tony Pollard

Edit - formatting

 

[BobbyLayne]

Screen plays for qualifying RBs - top 24 by screen targets

					screen	Scr	Rec	Screen	Screen	Screen	Screen	Screen	Scr C	Screen	Screen	Screen	Screen	Screen	Screen	Screen	Scr Trgt
player	pos	team	game	targets	ADoT	MTF	grade	Trgt	Trgt %	snaps	RR	RR %	rate	rec	Yds	Y/Rec	Y/RR	TD	YAC	YAC Avg	QB rtng
Breece Hall	HB	NYJ	17	90	-3.7	9	98.2	30	33.3	58	53	91.4	93.3	28	167	6.0	3.15	1	268	9.6	101.0
Jaylen Warren	HB	PIT	18	74	-3.5	12	96.6	29	39.2	41	38	92.7	86.2	25	179	7.2	4.71	0	270	10.8	92.4
Tyjae Spears	HB	TEN	17	67	-4.3	17	99.9	29	43.3	51	44	86.3	86.2	25	195	7.8	4.43	1	303	12.1	91.8
Travis Etienne Jr.	HB	JAX	17	67	-4.6	5	93.1	27	40.3	68	62	91.2	85.2	23	153	6.7	2.47	0	259	11.3	90.3
Ezekiel Elliott	HB	NE	17	61	-3.5	4	76.9	26	42.6	44	44	100.0	96.2	25	135	5.4	3.07	0	222	8.9	88.3
Christian McCaffrey	HB	SF	19	104	-4.0	6	99.0	25	24.0	68	67	98.5	92.0	23	177	7.7	2.64	3	269	11.7	135.8
De'Von Achane	HB	MIA	12	43	-4.3	7	98.7	24	55.8	45	45	100.0	87.5	21	138	6.6	3.07	2	228	10.9	118.4
Joe Mixon	HB	CIN	17	62	-3.2	10	99.8	23	37.1	62	57	91.9	91.3	21	208	9.9	3.65	0	274	13.0	86.2
Alvin Kamara	HB	NO	13	86	-4.1	3	90.6	22	25.6	35	35	100.0	90.9	20	95	4.8	2.71	0	182	9.1	84.7
Jahmyr Gibbs	HB	DET	18	83	-5.5	6	71.8	20	24.1	53	49	92.5	80.0	16	114	7.1	2.33	0	198	12.4	90.4
Isiah Pacheco	HB	KC	18	62	-5.3	2	92.7	20	32.3	75	58	77.3	95.0	19	78	4.1	1.34	1	179	9.4	99.6
Austin Ekeler	HB	LAC	14	69	-5.9	6	90.3	19	27.5	41	40	97.6	84.2	16	152	9.5	3.8	1	250	15.6	95.6
Bijan Robinson	HB	ATL	17	83	-4.3	10	92.7	19	22.9	49	47	95.9	84.2	16	102	6.4	2.17	2	168	10.5	102.2
Jaleel McLaughlin	HB	DEN	16	36	-5.8	8	97.8	18	50.0	33	33	100.0	88.9	16	87	5.4	2.64	2	181	11.3	123.8
Tony Pollard	HB	DAL	18	76	-3.5	2	90.0	17	22.4	37	36	97.3	94.1	16	68	4.3	1.89	0	120	7.5	83.3
Aaron Jones	HB	GB	13	47	-3.6	4	91.8	17	36.2	37	34	91.9	82.4	14	116	8.3	3.41	0	169	12.1	95.1
Jerome Ford	HB	CLV	18	64	-2.8	1	27.0	16	25.0	35	31	88.6	75.0	12	31	2.6	1.0	0	64	5.3	77.1
Rachaad White	HB	TB	19	78	-5.3	7	97.9	16	20.5	52	51	98.1	100.0	16	165	10.3	3.24	3	250	15.6	149.2
Derrick Henry	HB	TEN	17	31	-5.1	3	99.4	16	51.6	41	34	82.9	93.8	15	150	10.0	4.41	0	232	15.5	105.7
Kyren Williams	HB	LA	13	48	-6.0	1	47.2	15	31.3	38	35	92.1	86.7	13	74	5.7	2.11	2	152	11.7	126.8
D'Andre Swift	HB	PHI	17	51	-3.6	3	79.2	15	29.4	49	46	93.9	100.0	15	91	6.1	1.98	0	145	9.7	91.9
Antonio Gibson	HB	WAS	16	57	-5.3	7	25.9	14	24.6	30	26	86.7	78.6	11	99	9.0	3.81	0	155	14.1	96.1
James Cook	HB	BUF	19	62	-4.4	2	45.4	14	22.6	53	50	94.3	92.9	13	48	3.7	0.96	0	107	8.2	81.0
Devin Singletary	HB	HST	19	45	-5.6	2	91.7	14	31.1	48	41	85.4	100.0	14	68	4.9	1.66	0	147	10.5	86.9

 

[BobbyLayne]

Slot plays for qualifying RBs - top 24 by slot targets

					Slot	Slot	Rec	Slot	Slot	Slot	Slot	Slot	Slot C	Slot	Slot	Slot	Slot	Slot	Slot	Slot	Slot Trgt
player	pos	team	game	targets	ADoT	MFT	Grade	Trgt	Trgt %	snaps	RR	RR %	Rate	Rec	Yds	Y/Rec	Y/RR	TD	YAC	YAC Avg	QB Rtng
Christian McCaffrey	HB	SF	19	104	2.0	2	85.1	22	21.2	103	96	93.2	86.4	19	163	8.6	1.7	2	137	7.2	127.8
De'Von Achane	HB	MIA	12	43	-1.8	6	80.2	21	48.8	68	64	94.1	76.2	16	114	7.1	1.78	0	172	10.8	88.2
Bijan Robinson	HB	ATL	17	83	0.0	3	59.5	19	22.9	93	87	93.5	63.2	12	80	6.7	0.92	0	99	8.3	50.3
Raheem Mostert	HB	MIA	16	31	-0.2	5	44.6	14	45.2	56	55	98.2	78.6	11	67	6.1	1.22	1	90	8.2	80.7
Alvin Kamara	HB	NO	13	86	0.4	0	75.6	12	14.0	18	17	94.4	66.7	8	28	3.5	1.65	0	29	3.6	70.1
Tyjae Spears	HB	TEN	17	67	-1.4	11	83.7	12	17.9	33	32	97.0	83.3	10	106	10.6	3.31	1	146	14.6	131.3
Saquon Barkley	HB	NYG	14	58	7.3	0	65.8	11	19.0	38	37	97.4	54.5	6	72	12.0	1.95	0	41	6.8	36.9
Jaylen Warren	HB	PIT	18	74	-2.9	4	69.2	11	14.9	26	23	88.5	90.9	10	35	3.5	1.52	0	60	6.0	79.9
Salvon Ahmed	HB	MIA	8	21	1.7	0	54.8	10	47.6	30	29	96.7	70.0	7	22	3.1	0.76	0	43	6.1	33.3
Ezekiel Elliott	HB	NE	17	61	-1.6	0	70.9	9	14.8	29	29	100.0	77.8	7	34	4.9	1.17	0	54	7.7	82.4
D'Andre Swift	HB	PHI	17	51	-2.8	0	50.2	8	15.7	30	27	90.0	87.5	7	48	6.9	1.78	0	76	10.9	91.7
Latavius Murray	HB	BUF	18	27	2.3	1	54.9	8	29.6	36	32	88.9	75.0	6	52	8.7	1.63	0	36	6.0	91.7
Tony Pollard	HB	DAL	18	76	4.9	0	47.0	7	9.2	37	33	89.2	57.1	4	35	8.8	1.06	0	33	8.3	70.5
Jahmyr Gibbs	HB	DET	18	83	0.9	1	66.7	7	8.4	40	39	97.5	42.9	3	23	7.7	0.59	0	15	5.0	51.5
Rachaad White	HB	TB	19	78	2.7	0	64.3	6	7.7	48	42	87.5	66.7	4	17	4.3	0.4	0	24	6.0	70.1
Travis Etienne Jr.	HB	JAX	17	67	-4.8	1	69.6	6	9.0	27	25	92.6	100.0	6	21	3.5	0.84	0	50	8.3	81.3
Kyren Williams	HB	LA	13	48	7.2	0	30.1	5	10.4	24	24	100.0	20.0	1	7	7.0	0.29	0	7	7.0	0.0
James Cook	HB	BUF	19	62	-1.4	0	40.3	5	8.1	33	31	93.9	80.0	4	19	4.8	0.61	0	27	6.8	82.5
Kyle Juszczyk	FB	SF	20	20	5.0	0	55.7	5	25.0	75	70	93.3	100.0	5	49	9.8	0.7	0	24	4.8	107.5
Jerome Ford	HB	CLV	18	64	2.2	1	57.3	5	7.8	15	15	100.0	80.0	4	21	5.3	1.4	1	15	3.8	123.8
Aaron Jones	HB	GB	13	47	-2.8	1	72.7	5	10.6	14	13	92.9	100.0	5	36	7.2	2.77	0	50	10.0	96.7
Devin Singletary	HB	HST	19	45	4.5	0	60.0	4	8.9	30	30	100.0	75.0	3	34	11.3	1.13	0	18	6.0	100.0
Kenneth Walker III	HB	SEA	15	33	-5.8	2	63.3	4	12.1	26	23	88.5	100.0	4	16	4.0	0.7	0	39	9.8	83.3
Joe Mixon	HB	CIN	17	62	-1.8	0	70.7	4	6.5	16	15	93.8	100.0	4	27	6.8	1.8	1	34	8.5	134.4

 

[BobbyLayne]

When I have time tomorrow or later in the week I'll post RB depth of target data - Behind LOS, Short (0-9), Intermediate (10-19), Deep (20+)

 

[Soulfly3]

using saquon's data from NYG is basically using trash.

he's easily a top 3 receiving back, all you need to do is watch

 

[BobbyLayne]

using saquon's data from NYG is basically using trash.

he's easily a top 3 receiving back, all you need to do is watch

Barkley forced 31 missed tackles as a receiver in his rookie season. It was truly historic production for a RB: 91/114 - 721 - 4, receiving grade of 85.2, NFL passer rating 101.1.

Barkley forced 36 missed tackles as a receiver over the 5 seasons since. In virtually every stable metric, efficiency or counting stat, 2018 remains his zenith.

 

[TheWinz]

I am comparing RB usage from their college years to their NFL careers. Very few RB's are used the same, as most are used sparingly as receivers in college. Researching the stats is fun, and sometimes shocking, when you chart it out. For example, I had no idea Jaleel McLaughlin was such a rushing monster in college. He racked up a whopping 1250 rushes, but only 66 receptions.

 

[eighsse2]

I am comparing RB usage from their college years to their NFL careers. Very few RB's are used the same, as most are used sparingly as receivers in college. Researching the stats is fun, and sometimes shocking, when you chart it out. For example, I had no idea Jaleel McLaughlin was such a rushing monster in college. He racked up a whopping 1250 rushes, but only 66 receptions.

This is a good observation.

 

[Ilov80s]

using saquon's data from NYG is basically using trash.

he's easily a top 3 receiving back, all you need to do is watch

I am not sure we are going to see that really unlocked with Hurts either.

 

[Soulfly3]

using saquon's data from NYG is basically using trash.

he's easily a top 3 receiving back, all you need to do is watch

I am not sure we are going to see that really unlocked with Hurts either.

very possible... but his pass catching ability as a RB is elite. if you've watched him, you've seen it...
his usage doesn't correlate to the talent