Cutler or Orton, who is the better QB (1 Viewer)

[LHUCKS]

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Orton and it isn't even close.

 

[two_dollars]

Cutler hands down. He can make the throws Orton only dreams of. Orton is a system QB, Cutler has the ability to be great anywhere.

 

[cvnpoka]

ty for the post. pretty sure this isnt being discussed in enough threads.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Cutler hands down. He can make the throws Orton only dreams of. Orton is a system QB, Cutler has the ability to be great anywhere.

Are you talking about interceptions?

 

[whitem0nkey]

again?

 

[LHUCKS]

again?

link to recent poll??

 

[doomsdaydoc]

Cutler is clearly more physically talented. however his decision making skills are not up to par. He holds the ball too long and is always trying to make a big play when sometimes a little play is better. Orton at least has better judgement and makes the most of his talents.

 

[Cassius]

Orton. By a mile.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Orton 31-21, Cutler 27-30 with the same two teams. Easy choice.

I'm guessing the folks taking Cutler because of his tools also thought Jeff George was a great QB.

 

[two_dollars]

Orton 31-21, Cutler 27-30 with the same two teams. Easy choice. I'm guessing the folks taking Cutler because of his tools also thought Jeff George was a great QB.

Could be worse.. we could be stuck with Garrard.

 

[Cassius]

Orton 31-21, Cutler 27-30 with the same two teams. Easy choice. I'm guessing the folks taking Cutler because of his tools also thought Jeff George was a great QB.

Could be worse.. we could be stuck with Garrard.

At least JAC didn't spend two 1st round picks to downgrade at quarterback.

 

[Donsmith753]

I'm going go sit on the fence and say it depends entirely on wha kind of offense you want to run.

 

[switz]

Cutler hands down. He can make the throws Orton only dreams of. Orton is a system QB, Cutler has the ability to be great anywhere.

Orton won more games in Chicago than Cutler has. Orton actually has won more games in fewer starts than Cutler has, and Cutler was in a much better situation for MOST of his career.It's not about what throw you can make, it's about the throws you actually do make. Orton makes better decisions, by far.

 

[LHUCKS]

Cutler hands down. He can make the throws Orton only dreams of.

Jamarcus Russel can make all the throws...just sayin.

 

[cvnpoka]

Orton 31-21, Cutler 27-30 with the same two teams. Easy choice.

I'm guessing the folks taking Cutler because of his tools also thought Jeff George was a great QB.

blatantly incorrect.

 

[cvnpoka]

I'm going go sit on the fence and say it depends entirely on wha kind of offense you want to run.

this is proly the best answer. i have a hard time believing cutler would be better in the current denver offense. however, i think for most nfl teams cutler would be better, including the current chicago team.

 

[two_dollars]

Cutler hands down. He can make the throws Orton only dreams of. Orton is a system QB, Cutler has the ability to be great anywhere.

Orton won more games in Chicago than Cutler has. Orton actually has won more games in fewer starts than Cutler has, and Cutler was in a much better situation for MOST of his career.It's not about what throw you can make, it's about the throws you actually do make. Orton makes better decisions, by far.

Who has put up more points per game in Chicago? Cutler doesn't play defense.Here's a hint.. in Orton's 1st season with Chicago he averaged 16.25 pts/game, in Cutler's 1st season with Chicago he averaged 20.4 pts/game

 

[GloryDaze]

I got mocked mercilessly for championing Orton last year.

 

[eurotrashman]

Orton is a system QB, Cutler has the ability to be great anywhere.

0 for 2 at this point, right?

 

[MDSkinner]

I'm going go sit on the fence and say it depends entirely on wha kind of offense you want to run.

this is proly the best answer. i have a hard time believing cutler would be better in the current denver offense. however, i think for most nfl teams cutler would be better, including the current chicago team.

I tend to agree with this. But then again, I may just be being hopeful at this point.What I do know is that Orton was always good in Chicago, but he was never close to great. He could not be relied upon to make big plays, but he could be relied upon to never make big plays for the other team (Cutler seems to be able to do each very well). I will take Cutler for the potential that I think is much higher than Orton's, but in terms of a guy that will come in and get the job done every week (albeit in unspectacular fashion historically...this year may be different) Orton is as good as anyone and always was.

 

[moleculo]

I like the one that didn't pout his way out of town.

 

[switz]

Cutler hands down. He can make the throws Orton only dreams of. Orton is a system QB, Cutler has the ability to be great anywhere.

Orton won more games in Chicago than Cutler has. Orton actually has won more games in fewer starts than Cutler has, and Cutler was in a much better situation for MOST of his career.It's not about what throw you can make, it's about the throws you actually do make. Orton makes better decisions, by far.

Who has put up more points per game in Chicago? Cutler doesn't play defense.Here's a hint.. in Orton's 1st season with Chicago he averaged 16.25 pts/game, in Cutler's 1st season with Chicago he averaged 20.4 pts/game

Do you really think a pretty raw rookie is a good comparison to a 4 year vet? Come on, when you start with propositions like that, it's not even worth continuing to discuss things with you.

 

[switz]

I got mocked mercilessly for championing Orton last year.

Me too.

 

[gigantor]

we gonna do this every year?

Last year at this point everyone was loving Orton because the Broncos were winning..then they stopped winning

 

[two_dollars]

Orton is a system QB, Cutler has the ability to be great anywhere.

0 for 2 at this point, right?

2 for 2 in my book. Everyone knew Denver's D was a sieve when Cutler was there. Should I pull up threads talking about starting multiple running backs from the same team vs Denver in 2008?

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Jay Cutler will never lead a team to a super bowl win. Kyle Orton probably won't either.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Jay Cutler will never lead a team to a super bowl win. Kyle Orton probably won't either.

He may lead the NFL in interceptions.

 

[two_dollars]

Jay Cutler will never lead a team to a super bowl win. Kyle Orton probably won't either.

Rex Grossman almost did.. anything is possible.

 

[switz]

we gonna do this every year?Last year at this point everyone was loving Orton because the Broncos were winning..then they stopped winning

Last year Orton still ended up with more yards, better TD/INT %, better comp %, better pass rating. Cutler threw 6 more TDs, but they were negated in leagues where INTs count against by throwing 14 more INTs.Not sure where you're going with this... pretty sure last year all season long the Orton owners were pretty happy with Orton, and neutral bystanders saw them as even at worst.This year Orton looks even better than last.

 

[two_dollars]

we gonna do this every year?

Last year at this point everyone was loving Orton because the Broncos were winning..then they stopped winning

Last year Orton still ended up with more yards, better TD/INT %, better comp %, better pass rating. Cutler threw 6 more TDs, but they were negated in leagues where INTs count against by throwing 14 more INTs.Not sure where you're going with this... pretty sure last year all season long the Orton owners were pretty happy with Orton, and neutral bystanders saw them as even at worst.

This year Orton looks even better than last.

And Cutler looks so bad? Orton is a better decision maker? Who has the higher QB rating?

 

[gigantor]

we gonna do this every year?

Last year at this point everyone was loving Orton because the Broncos were winning..then they stopped winning

Last year Orton still ended up with more yards, better TD/INT %, better comp %, better pass rating. Cutler threw 6 more TDs, but they were negated in leagues where INTs count against by throwing 14 more INTs.Not sure where you're going with this... pretty sure last year all season long the Orton owners were pretty happy with Orton, and neutral bystanders saw them as even at worst.

This year Orton looks even better than last.

And Cutler looks so bad? Orton is a better decision maker? Who has the higher QB rating?

no facts please

 

[GloryDaze]

And Cutler looks so bad? Orton is a better decision maker? Who has the higher QB rating?

Yes. Yes. Cutler

 

[joffer]

Cutler>Orton>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>monkey throwing feces>>>>>Leinart

 

[two_dollars]

And Cutler looks so bad? Orton is a better decision maker? Who has the higher QB rating?

Yes. Yes. Cutler

Then I guess I'll take "looks bad" with a 102.2 qb rating.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

I'm going go sit on the fence and say it depends entirely on wha kind of offense you want to run.

I like to run the kind where my qb doesn't throw a lot of ints.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

I got mocked mercilessly for championing Orton last year.

you were right, the rest of us were wrong. way wrong

 

[gigantor]

I'm going go sit on the fence and say it depends entirely on wha kind of offense you want to run.

I like to run the kind where my qb doesn't throw a lot of ints.

well they both have 3 soooooo

 

[switz]

we gonna do this every year?

Last year at this point everyone was loving Orton because the Broncos were winning..then they stopped winning

Last year Orton still ended up with more yards, better TD/INT %, better comp %, better pass rating. Cutler threw 6 more TDs, but they were negated in leagues where INTs count against by throwing 14 more INTs.Not sure where you're going with this... pretty sure last year all season long the Orton owners were pretty happy with Orton, and neutral bystanders saw them as even at worst.

This year Orton looks even better than last.

And Cutler looks so bad? Orton is a better decision maker? Who has the higher QB rating?

no facts please

More yards - OrtonBetter comp % - Orton

TDs - tied

INTs - tied

Higher Passer rating - Cutler

Fewer Fumbles - Orton

Just stating facts.

 

[two_dollars]

I'm going go sit on the fence and say it depends entirely on wha kind of offense you want to run.

I like to run the kind where my qb doesn't throw a lot of ints.

Then you'd have a pretty tough time deciding between Orton and Cutler this year.. and you'd take either of them before you'd take Rodgers, Rivers, or Schaub.

 

[DoubleG]

Cutler hands down. He can make the throws Orton only dreams of. Orton is a system QB, Cutler has the ability to be great anywhere.

Are you talking about interceptions?

Since Cutler is 11th among active QBs in QB rating and Orton is 21st, I'll take Cutler, thanks.

 

[gigantor]

we gonna do this every year?

Last year at this point everyone was loving Orton because the Broncos were winning..then they stopped winning

Last year Orton still ended up with more yards, better TD/INT %, better comp %, better pass rating. Cutler threw 6 more TDs, but they were negated in leagues where INTs count against by throwing 14 more INTs.Not sure where you're going with this... pretty sure last year all season long the Orton owners were pretty happy with Orton, and neutral bystanders saw them as even at worst.

This year Orton looks even better than last.

And Cutler looks so bad? Orton is a better decision maker? Who has the higher QB rating?

no facts please

More yards - OrtonBetter comp % - Orton

TDs - tied

INTs - tied

Higher Passer rating - Cutler

Fewer Fumbles - Orton

Just stating facts.

73 more attempts might play into this ? just a little? seriously?

 

[switz]

no facts please

More yards - OrtonBetter comp % - OrtonTDs - tiedINTs - tiedHigher Passer rating - CutlerFewer Fumbles - OrtonJust stating facts.

73 more attempts might play into this ? just a little? seriously?

73 more attempts leads to a better completion percentage? 73 more attempts leads to 4 fewer fumbles?

 

[gigantor]

no facts please

More yards - OrtonBetter comp % - OrtonTDs - tiedINTs - tiedHigher Passer rating - CutlerFewer Fumbles - OrtonJust stating facts.

73 more attempts might play into this ? just a little? seriously?

73 more attempts leads to a better completion percentage? 73 more attempts leads to 4 fewer fumbles?

are you serious? keep picking out the stats, that's fine.

 

[switz]

no facts please

More yards - OrtonBetter comp % - OrtonTDs - tiedINTs - tiedHigher Passer rating - CutlerFewer Fumbles - OrtonJust stating facts.

73 more attempts might play into this ? just a little? seriously?

73 more attempts leads to a better completion percentage? 73 more attempts leads to 4 fewer fumbles?

are you serious? keep picking out the stats, that's fine.

I quoted the stats initially, you're the one who wants to discard some based on number of attempts. Goodness, if Culter had 73 more attempts I wonder how many more INTs he'd throw.You can't have it both ways ...

 

[GloryDaze]

It's ok if the Ctler lovers only toss out passer rating as a stat, but you get all bent out of shape if other things are looked at?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Cutler hands down. He can make the throws Orton only dreams of. Orton is a system QB, Cutler has the ability to be great anywhere.

Are you talking about interceptions?

Since Cutler is 11th among active QBs in QB rating and Orton is 21st, I'll take Cutler, thanks.

That is a great way to pick which QB you want.

 

[gigantor]

73 more attempts. Sure Cutler would have more INTs but he'd also have at least 4 TDs more than Orton.

Where's this going again? You point out Orton has more Yards on 73 more attempts. Well no ####

 

[two_dollars]

I'm going go sit on the fence and say it depends entirely on wha kind of offense you want to run.

I like to run the kind where my qb doesn't throw a lot of ints.

Then you'd have a pretty tough time deciding between Orton and Cutler this year.. and you'd take either of them before you'd take Rodgers, Rivers, or Schaub.

Your ideal QB is Mark Sanchez!

 

[GloryDaze]

All I hear about Cutler is excuses why he stinks up the place. No running game. OL woes. Bad Defense. Bad WRs.

One of these years ya'll will stop being fooled by whatever it is you're looking at that makes you think he's good.