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[B-Deep]

My contention is that Jay has a lot of growing up to do and he shouldn't be drinking. Because he has type1 instead of type2, I've lost an argument and I'm actually wrong?Wake up...

no one cares if he drinksi have heard that a few nfl players enjoy alcohol on occasion

I bet his doctor cares, his coaches, his trainers, his loved ones....Not all NFL players have diabetes, that's the difference.The guy has been labeled as a drinker/party-er for a reason. Not just because he "enjoys alcohol on occasion"

we have no idea if his doctors, trainers, or loved ones give a flying rats ###and quite frankly, it is not at all relevant for this forum, so again, take it to the no one cares forum please

Speak for yourself. This whole thread is useless anyways...But talking about Jay Cutler and his misgivings is part of it. I have just as much right to post in here as you do. If you don't want to hear about his misgivings then avoid any and all Cutler threads until the season starts because everyone I've seen is full of debate over McDaniels and Cutler.. wrong/vs./right.. it's here.. deal with it.

i want to read about him being a whiny tool, and about peoples thoughts on where he could go, and about if he is over rated or not. I just don't want to read the nonsense about drinking as it could not be any less relevant to the topic of the thread.

 

[Gopher State]

Cutler is going to end up like either like Jeff George or Tommy Krammer, which one who knows

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Yes, he was caught off guard blinking in a bar on all 3 pics.

Maybe there were 60 pictures taken, and maybe he blinked in these three. That's a pretty good percentage, actually.I love this story, and hope it doesn't go away, because that can only be bad for the Broncos.

But some of the arguments we have heard from the anti-Cutler crowd border on hilarious.

Let's see, we are now dissecting photos taken at an indeterminate time (But let's assume it was after he was diagnosed, right?), trying to determine exactly how drunk he is.

Too bad we don't have a few more pics, maybe you could tell us his blood/alcohol content.

The more hilarious part is... Last time I blinked in a photo, when the photo developed I was some how magically superimposed into a bar scene with alcohol in both hands too. Doesn't matter how drunk he is. With TypeII diabetes, he isn't supposed to be drinking at all... That goes along with a very restrictive diet he should be following also.

I looked up some dates for the photos...

Link #1 - photo was taken in march of 08

Link #2 - couldn't find date on this one (Photo by Deadspin)

Link #3 - was on September 19th 2006, there was actually 4 pics total taken on that night of Jay with drinks in his hands and showing signs of consumption... err I mean blinking .... (Photos by kissing suzy kolber)

And I found 3 other "Blinking/Drinking" photos of Cutler. One from '06' and two from '07'

Before you continue to spew fallacies as fact:1. Cutler has Type I Diabetes (not type II)

2. Type I Diabetics are allowed to drink alcohol. Not sure who instructed you that they aren't supposed to be drinking at all, but that is simply not true. It should definitely be in moderation and can put him at risk for problems down the road in his life if it's overdone, but to say "he isn't supposed to be drinking at all" is just over the top and simply not true.

3. Some diabetics do NOT need to be on a "very restrictive diet". Yes, there are guidelines that need to be followed and he needs to vigilant in monitoring his disease, but that does not necessarily include a "very restrictive diet".

You should at least do others the courtesy of checking up on stuff you're going to say and post with such authority when it's completely false and misleading.

4. Cutler announced his diagnoses in May of 2008, before the pictures were taken. So, by posting dates of the pics, Carolina Hustler has not been able to prove that Cutler is knowlingly drinking w/ diabetes.

May very well be.But don't mix up the date of his diagnosis with the date of this article. Which you obviously have done here. They diagnosed Jay before the start of the off season strength and conditioning practices in '08'. They run several test including a blood workup on each player before the first practice every season. That's when the found his blood sugars were 5 times higher than they should have been.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

i want to read about him being a whiny tool, and about peoples thoughts on where he could go, and about if he is over rated or not. I just don't want to read the nonsense about drinking as it could not be any less relevant to the topic of the thread.

That's your opinion. I have a right to voice my opinion too right?No offense intended..

 

[gianmarco]

Maybe there were 60 pictures taken, and maybe he blinked in these three. That's a pretty good percentage, actually.

I love this story, and hope it doesn't go away, because that can only be bad for the Broncos.

But some of the arguments we have heard from the anti-Cutler crowd border on hilarious.

Let's see, we are now dissecting photos taken at an indeterminate time (But let's assume it was after he was diagnosed, right?), trying to determine exactly how drunk he is.

Too bad we don't have a few more pics, maybe you could tell us his blood/alcohol content. :(

The more hilarious part is... Last time I blinked in a photo, when the photo developed I was some how magically superimposed into a bar scene with alcohol in both hands too. Doesn't matter how drunk he is. With TypeII diabetes, he isn't supposed to be drinking at all... That goes along with a very restrictive diet he should be following also.

I looked up some dates for the photos...

Link #1 - photo was taken in march of 08

Link #2 - couldn't find date on this one (Photo by Deadspin)

Link #3 - was on September 19th 2006, there was actually 4 pics total taken on that night of Jay with drinks in his hands and showing signs of consumption... err I mean blinking .... (Photos by kissing suzy kolber)

And I found 3 other "Blinking/Drinking" photos of Cutler. One from '06' and two from '07'

Before you continue to spew fallacies as fact:1. Cutler has Type I Diabetes (not type II)

2. Type I Diabetics are allowed to drink alcohol. Not sure who instructed you that they aren't supposed to be drinking at all, but that is simply not true. It should definitely be in moderation and can put him at risk for problems down the road in his life if it's overdone, but to say "he isn't supposed to be drinking at all" is just over the top and simply not true.

3. Some diabetics do NOT need to be on a "very restrictive diet". Yes, there are guidelines that need to be followed and he needs to vigilant in monitoring his disease, but that does not necessarily include a "very restrictive diet".

You should at least do others the courtesy of checking up on stuff you're going to say and post with such authority when it's completely false and misleading.

4. Cutler announced his diagnoses in May of 2008, before the pictures were taken. So, by posting dates of the pics, Carolina Hustler has not been able to prove that Cutler is knowlingly drinking w/ diabetes.

May very well be.But don't mix up the date of his diagnosis with the date of this article. Which you obviously have done here. They diagnosed Jay before the start of the off season strength and conditioning practices in '08'. They run several test including a blood workup on each player before the first practice every season. That's when the found his blood sugars were 5 times higher than they should have been.

More myths being passed on as facts. From the article:"The 25-year-old Cutler found out about two weeks ago that he was diabetic and needed daily insulin injections, Garafalo told The Associated Press."

Do you see now why you're being ripped to shreds and no one takes you seriously?

ETA---Still waiting for that ONE link that says Type I diabetics are not allowed to drink.

 

[moleculo]

The more hilarious part is... Last time I blinked in a photo, when the photo developed I was some how magically superimposed into a bar scene with alcohol in both hands too. :(

Doesn't matter how drunk he is. With TypeII diabetes, he isn't supposed to be drinking at all... That goes along with a very restrictive diet he should be following also.

I looked up some dates for the photos...

Link #1 - photo was taken in march of 08

Link #2 - couldn't find date on this one (Photo by Deadspin)

Link #3 - was on September 19th 2006, there was actually 4 pics total taken on that night of Jay with drinks in his hands and showing signs of consumption... err I mean blinking .... (Photos by kissing suzy kolber)

And I found 3 other "Blinking/Drinking" photos of Cutler. One from '06' and two from '07'

Before you continue to spew fallacies as fact:1. Cutler has Type I Diabetes (not type II)

2. Type I Diabetics are allowed to drink alcohol. Not sure who instructed you that they aren't supposed to be drinking at all, but that is simply not true. It should definitely be in moderation and can put him at risk for problems down the road in his life if it's overdone, but to say "he isn't supposed to be drinking at all" is just over the top and simply not true.

3. Some diabetics do NOT need to be on a "very restrictive diet". Yes, there are guidelines that need to be followed and he needs to vigilant in monitoring his disease, but that does not necessarily include a "very restrictive diet".

You should at least do others the courtesy of checking up on stuff you're going to say and post with such authority when it's completely false and misleading.

4. Cutler announced his diagnoses in May of 2008, before the pictures were taken. So, by posting dates of the pics, Carolina Hustler has not been able to prove that Cutler is knowlingly drinking w/ diabetes.

May very well be.But don't mix up the date of his diagnosis with the date of this article. Which you obviously have done here. They diagnosed Jay before the start of the off season strength and conditioning practices in '08'. They run several test including a blood workup on each player before the first practice every season. That's when the found his blood sugars were 5 times higher than they should have been.

I did not (obviously) mix anything up . I said he announced his diagnoses in May - I did not say he was diagnosed in May. Actually, reading the article I linked closer, we get this:

The 25-year-old Cutler found out about two weeks ago that he was diabetic and needed daily insulin injections, Garafalo told The Associated Press.

He said Cutler was managing his disease and "in no way is his football career jeopardized."

That puts the date of diagnoses in Mid April, after any of these pics were taken.

 

[B-Deep]

i want to read about him being a whiny tool, and about peoples thoughts on where he could go, and about if he is over rated or not. I just don't want to read the nonsense about drinking as it could not be any less relevant to the topic of the thread.

That's your opinion. I have a right to voice my opinion too right?No offense intended..

what do you think on my big ben postpretty shocking eh?heart disease is a killer

 

[moleculo]

i want to read about him being a whiny tool, and about peoples thoughts on where he could go, and about if he is over rated or not. I just don't want to read the nonsense about drinking as it could not be any less relevant to the topic of the thread.

That's your opinion. I have a right to voice my opinion too right?No offense intended..

by all means - please continue voicing your opinions. this is fun.

 

[Banger]

Yes, he was caught off guard blinking in a bar on all 3 pics.

Maybe there were 60 pictures taken, and maybe he blinked in these three. That's a pretty good percentage, actually.I love this story, and hope it doesn't go away, because that can only be bad for the Broncos.

But some of the arguments we have heard from the anti-Cutler crowd border on hilarious.

Let's see, we are now dissecting photos taken at an indeterminate time (But let's assume it was after he was diagnosed, right?), trying to determine exactly how drunk he is.

Too bad we don't have a few more pics, maybe you could tell us his blood/alcohol content. :(

The more hilarious part is... Last time I blinked in a photo, when the photo developed I was some how magically superimposed into a bar scene with alcohol in both hands too. Doesn't matter how drunk he is. With TypeII diabetes, he isn't supposed to be drinking at all... That goes along with a very restrictive diet he should be following also.

I looked up some dates for the photos...

Link #1 - photo was taken in march of 08

Link #2 - couldn't find date on this one (Photo by Deadspin)

Link #3 - was on September 19th 2006, there was actually 4 pics total taken on that night of Jay with drinks in his hands and showing signs of consumption... err I mean blinking .... (Photos by kissing suzy kolber)

And I found 3 other "Blinking/Drinking" photos of Cutler. One from '06' and two from '07'

Before you continue to spew fallacies as fact:1. Cutler has Type I Diabetes (not type II)

2. Type I Diabetics are allowed to drink alcohol. Not sure who instructed you that they aren't supposed to be drinking at all, but that is simply not true. It should definitely be in moderation and can put him at risk for problems down the road in his life if it's overdone, but to say "he isn't supposed to be drinking at all" is just over the top and simply not true.

3. Some diabetics do NOT need to be on a "very restrictive diet". Yes, there are guidelines that need to be followed and he needs to vigilant in monitoring his disease, but that does not necessarily include a "very restrictive diet".

You should at least do others the courtesy of checking up on stuff you're going to say and post with such authority when it's completely false and misleading.

why start now?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24420121/



ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - Jay Cutler realizes he should have recognized something was wrong last season when lost 35 pounds and some zip on his famous fastballs.

“I had no energy,” the Denver Broncos’ third-year quarterback said Friday. “We thought it might be stress and the grind of going through a whole season. But once I got back here and started working out again, I just wasn’t making any improvement. I wasn’t getting any stronger. I was still losing weight.”

Routine blood tests that are required before players participate in the team’s offseason strength and conditioning program revealed the answer: His sugars were about five times higher than normal.

Nothing I said was untrue

 

[Carolina Hustler]

i want to read about him being a whiny tool, and about peoples thoughts on where he could go, and about if he is over rated or not. I just don't want to read the nonsense about drinking as it could not be any less relevant to the topic of the thread.

That's your opinion. I have a right to voice my opinion too right?No offense intended..

what do you think on my big ben postpretty shocking eh?heart disease is a killer

Very clever... yet very insightfulMake sure you get your credit hear...

 

[Buffaloes]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24420121/



ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - Jay Cutler realizes he should have recognized something was wrong last season when lost 35 pounds and some zip on his famous fastballs.

“I had no energy,” the Denver Broncos’ third-year quarterback said Friday. “We thought it might be stress and the grind of going through a whole season. But once I got back here and started working out again, I just wasn’t making any improvement. I wasn’t getting any stronger. I was still losing weight.”

Routine blood tests that are required before players participate in the team’s offseason strength and conditioning program revealed the answer: His sugars were about five times higher than normal.

Nothing I said was untrue

You said he had type II diabetes...that was untrue, no?

 

[moleculo]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24420121/



ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - Jay Cutler realizes he should have recognized something was wrong last season when lost 35 pounds and some zip on his famous fastballs.

“I had no energy,” the Denver Broncos’ third-year quarterback said Friday. “We thought it might be stress and the grind of going through a whole season. But once I got back here and started working out again, I just wasn’t making any improvement. I wasn’t getting any stronger. I was still losing weight.”

Routine blood tests that are required before players participate in the team’s offseason strength and conditioning program revealed the answer: His sugars were about five times higher than normal.

Nothing I said was untrue

no, but your whole platform seems to be Cutler is irresponsible drinking w/ diabetes. The pictures, which you generously provided dates for, all pre-date his diagnosis. You have not provided one bit of evidence that Cutler drinks excessively since he was diagnosed. That makes your whole tirade a but mis-placed, no?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

More myths being passed on as facts. From the article:

"The 25-year-old Cutler found out about two weeks ago that he was diabetic and needed daily insulin injections, Garafalo told The Associated Press."

Do you see now why you're being ripped to shreds and no one takes you seriously?

ETA---Still waiting for that ONE link that says Type I diabetics are not allowed to drink.

I'm still waiting on one that says Diabetics SHOULD drink alcohol.I didn't say "Not Allowed" I said Shouldn't.

That would be like saying they "aren't allowed" to stuff there faces with cupcakes... They shouldn't... but some do...

Doctors tell them what they should or shouldn't do. Obviously the responsibility and the repercussions are their own.

 

[rct]

Speak for yourself. This whole thread is useless anyways...

Unfortunately that didn't stop you posting once you realized this.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24420121/



ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - Jay Cutler realizes he should have recognized something was wrong last season when lost 35 pounds and some zip on his famous fastballs.

“I had no energy,” the Denver Broncos’ third-year quarterback said Friday. “We thought it might be stress and the grind of going through a whole season. But once I got back here and started working out again, I just wasn’t making any improvement. I wasn’t getting any stronger. I was still losing weight.”

Routine blood tests that are required before players participate in the team’s offseason strength and conditioning program revealed the answer: His sugars were about five times higher than normal.

Nothing I said was untrue

no, but your whole platform seems to be Cutler is irresponsible drinking w/ diabetes. The pictures, which you generously provided dates for, all pre-date his diagnosis. You have not provided one bit of evidence that Cutler drinks excessively since he was diagnosed. That makes your whole tirade a but mis-placed, no?

Excuse me, but I didn't start this tirade. I said... If you want to know what sparked this, Cutler has a lot of growing up to do. Which generated several posts disagreeing or at least clowning me for saying so...I think that is obvious. The kid needs better guidance and needs to make better decisions...

 

[moleculo]

link

...

When the blood work came back April 16, and the Broncos quarterback discovered he had Type 1 diabetes, his glucose count was at 411.

...

"Obviously, this is a serious disease," he said. "It's not going to change me on the field. I'll make lifestyle changes. But I'll probably be a better quarterback this year than I was last year."

interesting.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Speak for yourself. This whole thread is useless anyways...

Unfortunately that didn't stop you posting once you realized this.

I never told anyone not to post..Whats your point?

 

[moleculo]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24420121/



ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - Jay Cutler realizes he should have recognized something was wrong last season when lost 35 pounds and some zip on his famous fastballs.

“I had no energy,” the Denver Broncos’ third-year quarterback said Friday. “We thought it might be stress and the grind of going through a whole season. But once I got back here and started working out again, I just wasn’t making any improvement. I wasn’t getting any stronger. I was still losing weight.”

Routine blood tests that are required before players participate in the team’s offseason strength and conditioning program revealed the answer: His sugars were about five times higher than normal.

Nothing I said was untrue

no, but your whole platform seems to be Cutler is irresponsible drinking w/ diabetes. The pictures, which you generously provided dates for, all pre-date his diagnosis. You have not provided one bit of evidence that Cutler drinks excessively since he was diagnosed. That makes your whole tirade a but mis-placed, no?

Excuse me, but I didn't start this tirade. I said... If you want to know what sparked this, Cutler has a lot of growing up to do. Which generated several posts disagreeing or at least clowning me for saying so...I think that is obvious. The kid needs better guidance and needs to make better decisions...

there you go again...

 

[ScottyFargo]

link

...

When the blood work came back April 16, and the Broncos quarterback discovered he had Type 1 diabetes, his glucose count was at 411.

...

"Obviously, this is a serious disease," he said. "It's not going to change me on the field. I'll make lifestyle changes. But I'll probably be a better quarterback this year than I was last year."

interesting.

Well that is a pretty good quote.

 

[gianmarco]

More myths being passed on as facts. From the article:

"The 25-year-old Cutler found out about two weeks ago that he was diabetic and needed daily insulin injections, Garafalo told The Associated Press."

Do you see now why you're being ripped to shreds and no one takes you seriously?

ETA---Still waiting for that ONE link that says Type I diabetics are not allowed to drink.

I'm still waiting on one that says Diabetics SHOULD drink alcohol.I didn't say "Not Allowed" I said Shouldn't.

That would be like saying they "aren't allowed" to stuff there faces with cupcakes... They shouldn't... but some do...

Doctors tell them what they should or shouldn't do. Obviously the responsibility and the repercussions are their own.

I have a list of links to provide that say they can drink alcohol. When you say "he shouldn't drink alcohol", that means he's doing something wrong if he does. He's not. Diabetics that have their disease under control are most definitely allowed to drink as long as it's done in moderation. It is NOT discouraged. He is NOT doing something wrong if he has an alcoholic drink. So, when you say he shouldn't be drinking alcohol, then you are saying that when he does, he's doing something wrong. That is 100% incorrect. He most definitely CAN drink alcohol IF his diabetes is under good control (which you have no idea whether it is or now) and he is NOT wrong in doing so. Thus, your statement that he shouldn't be drinking is presumptuous on your part and flat out incorrect.

Not surprising you fail to see the difference here. When you say shouldn't, you're saying he's not allowed to drink (whether he does or doesn't is irrelevant to this point). I can guarantee you that his Dr. did not say "you shouldn't have another alcoholic drink in your life again". I can tell that he probably did say, when he was finally under good enough control, "sure, you're allowed to drink as long as it's limited to 2 drinks/day, it's accounted for, etc.".

Can't wait to see your reply that says "yeah, that's exactly what I was saying..."

 

[B-Deep]

More myths being passed on as facts. From the article:

"The 25-year-old Cutler found out about two weeks ago that he was diabetic and needed daily insulin injections, Garafalo told The Associated Press."

Do you see now why you're being ripped to shreds and no one takes you seriously?

ETA---Still waiting for that ONE link that says Type I diabetics are not allowed to drink.

I'm still waiting on one that says Diabetics SHOULD drink alcohol.I didn't say "Not Allowed" I said Shouldn't.

That would be like saying they "aren't allowed" to stuff there faces with cupcakes... They shouldn't... but some do...

Doctors tell them what they should or shouldn't do. Obviously the responsibility and the repercussions are their own.

no one should eat fast food either

 

[moleculo]

More myths being passed on as facts. From the article:

"The 25-year-old Cutler found out about two weeks ago that he was diabetic and needed daily insulin injections, Garafalo told The Associated Press."

Do you see now why you're being ripped to shreds and no one takes you seriously?

ETA---Still waiting for that ONE link that says Type I diabetics are not allowed to drink.

I'm still waiting on one that says Diabetics SHOULD drink alcohol.I didn't say "Not Allowed" I said Shouldn't.

That would be like saying they "aren't allowed" to stuff there faces with cupcakes... They shouldn't... but some do...

Doctors tell them what they should or shouldn't do. Obviously the responsibility and the repercussions are their own.

I have a list of links to provide that say they can drink alcohol. When you say "he shouldn't drink alcohol", that means he's doing something wrong if he does. He's not. Diabetics that have their disease under control are most definitely allowed to drink as long as it's done in moderation. It is NOT discouraged. He is NOT doing something wrong if he has an alcoholic drink. So, when you say he shouldn't be drinking alcohol, then you are saying that when he does, he's doing something wrong. That is 100% incorrect. He most definitely CAN drink alcohol IF his diabetes is under good control (which you have no idea whether it is or now) and he is NOT wrong in doing so. Thus, your statement that he shouldn't be drinking is presumptuous on your part and flat out incorrect.

Not surprising you fail to see the difference here. When you say shouldn't, you're saying he's not allowed to drink (whether he does or doesn't is irrelevant to this point). I can guarantee you that his Dr. did not say "you shouldn't have another alcoholic drink in your life again". I can tell that he probably did say, when he was finally under good enough control, "sure, you're allowed to drink as long as it's limited to 2 drinks/day, it's accounted for, etc.".

Can't wait to see your reply that says "yeah, that's exactly what I was saying..."

I'm still waiting for Carolina hustler to demonstrate that Cutler has been drinking heavily as a diabetic (i.e. after April 16, 2008) in the first place. Other than that, this whole tangent is based on hearsay and blind speculation.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Carolina Hustler-

Where are you going with this? He was at a bar and he was drinking...Pretty sure he won't be the first or last 20-something NFL QB who is caught drinking at a bar.

Earlier, I followed the post linking the article and the drinking pictures with a comment on Cutler having some growing up to do. Which I really believe. If he's diabetic and he's still out drinking when his job is based on physical ability then he needs to straighten out his priorities. MANY athletes need this, not just Cutler.. Many athletes are making bad decisions, but then again they aren't all diabetic. Most of us try to clean up our acts when real life starts after College or High school. I still drink from time to time, but I don't get hammered, I don't drink often, and I don't drink and drive. I've had my fair share of run ins growing up. Fights, arrests, mind altering substances. That's all behind me. Time to be a big boy now.I understand the kid is just 25. That alone would suggest he has growing up to do. But he's in the big leagues now, under scrutiny of millions and obligated to a MAJOR corporation under contract. If he's still running around, getting drunk, and partying after being diagnosed with typeII diabetes. That is pretty irresponsible and tells alot about his character and ability to make good decisions.

Debilities is a dangerous disease. And if you don't take care of yourself properly football will be the least of your worries.

gianmarco,Go find someone else to argue with....

 

[B-Deep]

Carolina Hustler-

Where are you going with this? He was at a bar and he was drinking...Pretty sure he won't be the first or last 20-something NFL QB who is caught drinking at a bar.

Earlier, I followed the post linking the article and the drinking pictures with a comment on Cutler having some growing up to do. Which I really believe. If he's diabetic and he's still out drinking when his job is based on physical ability then he needs to straighten out his priorities. MANY athletes need this, not just Cutler.. Many athletes are making bad decisions, but then again they aren't all diabetic. Most of us try to clean up our acts when real life starts after College or High school. I still drink from time to time, but I don't get hammered, I don't drink often, and I don't drink and drive. I've had my fair share of run ins growing up. Fights, arrests, mind altering substances. That's all behind me. Time to be a big boy now.I understand the kid is just 25. That alone would suggest he has growing up to do. But he's in the big leagues now, under scrutiny of millions and obligated to a MAJOR corporation under contract. If he's still running around, getting drunk, and partying after being diagnosed with typeII diabetes. That is pretty irresponsible and tells alot about his character and ability to make good decisions.

Debilities is a dangerous disease. And if you don't take care of yourself properly football will be the least of your worries.

gianmarco,Go find someone else to argue with....

if he is skydiving naked in greenland i thnk he needs to grow up toojust not sure that it is worth bringing up

 

[gianmarco]

More myths being passed on as facts. From the article:

"The 25-year-old Cutler found out about two weeks ago that he was diabetic and needed daily insulin injections, Garafalo told The Associated Press."

Do you see now why you're being ripped to shreds and no one takes you seriously?

ETA---Still waiting for that ONE link that says Type I diabetics are not allowed to drink.

I'm still waiting on one that says Diabetics SHOULD drink alcohol.I didn't say "Not Allowed" I said Shouldn't.

That would be like saying they "aren't allowed" to stuff there faces with cupcakes... They shouldn't... but some do...

Doctors tell them what they should or shouldn't do. Obviously the responsibility and the repercussions are their own.

I have a list of links to provide that say they can drink alcohol. When you say "he shouldn't drink alcohol", that means he's doing something wrong if he does. He's not. Diabetics that have their disease under control are most definitely allowed to drink as long as it's done in moderation. It is NOT discouraged. He is NOT doing something wrong if he has an alcoholic drink. So, when you say he shouldn't be drinking alcohol, then you are saying that when he does, he's doing something wrong. That is 100% incorrect. He most definitely CAN drink alcohol IF his diabetes is under good control (which you have no idea whether it is or now) and he is NOT wrong in doing so. Thus, your statement that he shouldn't be drinking is presumptuous on your part and flat out incorrect.

Not surprising you fail to see the difference here. When you say shouldn't, you're saying he's not allowed to drink (whether he does or doesn't is irrelevant to this point). I can guarantee you that his Dr. did not say "you shouldn't have another alcoholic drink in your life again". I can tell that he probably did say, when he was finally under good enough control, "sure, you're allowed to drink as long as it's limited to 2 drinks/day, it's accounted for, etc.".

Can't wait to see your reply that says "yeah, that's exactly what I was saying..."

I'm still waiting for Carolina hustler to demonstrate that Cutler has been drinking heavily as a diabetic (i.e. after April 16, 2008) in the first place. Other than that, this whole tangent is based on hearsay and blind speculation.

Apparently, it doesn't matter if it's heavily or not. Dr. Hustler says diabetics shouldn't drink at all. And to think all the recommendations out there for the limits that diabetics can drink out there really mean "you should never drink, but if you're going to, this is how you should do it".

Newsflash--If diabetics "shouldn't drink", they wouldn't even put out the lower limits of what is allowed. They would just say drinking is advised against in ANY amount. That's never been said for diabetics under good control.

 

[massraider]

I'm still waiting for Carolina hustler to demonstrate that Cutler has been drinking heavily as a diabetic (i.e. after April 16, 2008) in the first place. Other than that, this whole tangent is based on hearsay and blind speculation.

QFT.Man, if all this stuff about Cutler was true, I wonder how he is still alive, let alone throw for 4,000 yards.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Carolina Hustler-

Where are you going with this? He was at a bar and he was drinking...Pretty sure he won't be the first or last 20-something NFL QB who is caught drinking at a bar.

Earlier, I followed the post linking the article and the drinking pictures with a comment on Cutler having some growing up to do. Which I really believe. If he's diabetic and he's still out drinking when his job is based on physical ability then he needs to straighten out his priorities. MANY athletes need this, not just Cutler.. Many athletes are making bad decisions, but then again they aren't all diabetic. Most of us try to clean up our acts when real life starts after College or High school. I still drink from time to time, but I don't get hammered, I don't drink often, and I don't drink and drive. I've had my fair share of run ins growing up. Fights, arrests, mind altering substances. That's all behind me. Time to be a big boy now.I understand the kid is just 25. That alone would suggest he has growing up to do. But he's in the big leagues now, under scrutiny of millions and obligated to a MAJOR corporation under contract. If he's still running around, getting drunk, and partying after being diagnosed with typeII diabetes. That is pretty irresponsible and tells alot about his character and ability to make good decisions.

Debilities is a dangerous disease. And if you don't take care of yourself properly football will be the least of your worries.

gianmarco,Go find someone else to argue with....

if he is skydiving naked in greenland i thnk he needs to grow up toojust not sure that it is worth bringing up

Well pal, I wasn't the one who brought it up

 

[Carolina Hustler]

More myths being passed on as facts. From the article:

"The 25-year-old Cutler found out about two weeks ago that he was diabetic and needed daily insulin injections, Garafalo told The Associated Press."

Do you see now why you're being ripped to shreds and no one takes you seriously?

ETA---Still waiting for that ONE link that says Type I diabetics are not allowed to drink.

I'm still waiting on one that says Diabetics SHOULD drink alcohol.I didn't say "Not Allowed" I said Shouldn't.

That would be like saying they "aren't allowed" to stuff there faces with cupcakes... They shouldn't... but some do...

Doctors tell them what they should or shouldn't do. Obviously the responsibility and the repercussions are their own.

I have a list of links to provide that say they can drink alcohol. When you say "he shouldn't drink alcohol", that means he's doing something wrong if he does. He's not. Diabetics that have their disease under control are most definitely allowed to drink as long as it's done in moderation. It is NOT discouraged. He is NOT doing something wrong if he has an alcoholic drink. So, when you say he shouldn't be drinking alcohol, then you are saying that when he does, he's doing something wrong. That is 100% incorrect. He most definitely CAN drink alcohol IF his diabetes is under good control (which you have no idea whether it is or now) and he is NOT wrong in doing so. Thus, your statement that he shouldn't be drinking is presumptuous on your part and flat out incorrect.

Not surprising you fail to see the difference here. When you say shouldn't, you're saying he's not allowed to drink (whether he does or doesn't is irrelevant to this point). I can guarantee you that his Dr. did not say "you shouldn't have another alcoholic drink in your life again". I can tell that he probably did say, when he was finally under good enough control, "sure, you're allowed to drink as long as it's limited to 2 drinks/day, it's accounted for, etc.".

Can't wait to see your reply that says "yeah, that's exactly what I was saying..."

I'm still waiting for Carolina hustler to demonstrate that Cutler has been drinking heavily as a diabetic (i.e. after April 16, 2008) in the first place. Other than that, this whole tangent is based on hearsay and blind speculation.

Apparently, it doesn't matter if it's heavily or not. Dr. Hustler says diabetics shouldn't drink at all. And to think all the recommendations out there for the limits that diabetics can drink out there really mean "you should never drink, but if you're going to, this is how you should do it".

Newsflash--If diabetics "shouldn't drink", they wouldn't even put out the lower limits of what is allowed. They would just say drinking is advised against in ANY amount. That's never been said for diabetics under good control.

There are limits for mercury, lead and radiation. But maybe you should go head and dose up as long as your under the limit.This whole argument started over an article written by some writer for Fox sports I believe. Suggesting he still had a drinking problem and thats why McDaniels considered moving him.

I said IF he did still have a problem then it showed irresponsibility on his part and poor decision making.

Having a drinking problem insinuates that it's more than what should be considered ok right?

But some how, now that everyone everywhere is talking about this article this woman wrote, I'm some how the target of attack because in a nut shell, I said if it's true that Cutler has a drinking problem....

Like I said, go argue with someone else. May be you can write the reporter a letter.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

More myths being passed on as facts. From the article:

"The 25-year-old Cutler found out about two weeks ago that he was diabetic and needed daily insulin injections, Garafalo told The Associated Press."

Do you see now why you're being ripped to shreds and no one takes you seriously?

ETA---Still waiting for that ONE link that says Type I diabetics are not allowed to drink.

I'm still waiting on one that says Diabetics SHOULD drink alcohol.I didn't say "Not Allowed" I said Shouldn't.

That would be like saying they "aren't allowed" to stuff there faces with cupcakes... They shouldn't... but some do...

Doctors tell them what they should or shouldn't do. Obviously the responsibility and the repercussions are their own.

I have a list of links to provide that say they can drink alcohol. When you say "he shouldn't drink alcohol", that means he's doing something wrong if he does. He's not. Diabetics that have their disease under control are most definitely allowed to drink as long as it's done in moderation. It is NOT discouraged. He is NOT doing something wrong if he has an alcoholic drink. So, when you say he shouldn't be drinking alcohol, then you are saying that when he does, he's doing something wrong. That is 100% incorrect. He most definitely CAN drink alcohol IF his diabetes is under good control (which you have no idea whether it is or now) and he is NOT wrong in doing so. Thus, your statement that he shouldn't be drinking is presumptuous on your part and flat out incorrect.

Not surprising you fail to see the difference here. When you say shouldn't, you're saying he's not allowed to drink (whether he does or doesn't is irrelevant to this point). I can guarantee you that his Dr. did not say "you shouldn't have another alcoholic drink in your life again". I can tell that he probably did say, when he was finally under good enough control, "sure, you're allowed to drink as long as it's limited to 2 drinks/day, it's accounted for, etc.".

Can't wait to see your reply that says "yeah, that's exactly what I was saying..."

I'm still waiting for Carolina hustler to demonstrate that Cutler has been drinking heavily as a diabetic (i.e. after April 16, 2008) in the first place. Other than that, this whole tangent is based on hearsay and blind speculation.

Never said he was... I said, IF he was...Read it again, little slower this time...

 

[rct]

Speak for yourself. This whole thread is useless anyways...

Unfortunately that didn't stop you posting once you realized this.

I never told anyone not to post..Whats your point?

You continued to post on what you considered a useless thread. I don't know what the point of that was unless you have absolutely nothing better to do with your time.

 

[moleculo]

What Myths? You are wrong my friend.

Facts are facts...

The guy has Diabetes (Type1)

The guy likes to Drink

Guys with Diabetes shouldn't drink

A mild case of diabetes would be type2 and could be controlled by proper diet and exercise.

Type1 is more serious and requires insulin.

You can ask a doctor about any of it.....

"if"?it's layed out pretty clearly here that your original point was not hypothetical. Pls don't backtrack and hide behind an "if". After all, facts are facts.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Speak for yourself. This whole thread is useless anyways...

Unfortunately that didn't stop you posting once you realized this.

I never told anyone not to post..Whats your point?

You continued to post on what you considered a useless thread. I don't know what the point of that was unless you have absolutely nothing better to do with your time.

Whats it to you... My time right?

 

[gianmarco]

I'm still waiting on one that says Diabetics SHOULD drink alcohol.

I didn't say "Not Allowed" I said Shouldn't.

That would be like saying they "aren't allowed" to stuff there faces with cupcakes... They shouldn't... but some do...

Doctors tell them what they should or shouldn't do. Obviously the responsibility and the repercussions are their own.

I have a list of links to provide that say they can drink alcohol. When you say "he shouldn't drink alcohol", that means he's doing something wrong if he does. He's not. Diabetics that have their disease under control are most definitely allowed to drink as long as it's done in moderation. It is NOT discouraged. He is NOT doing something wrong if he has an alcoholic drink. So, when you say he shouldn't be drinking alcohol, then you are saying that when he does, he's doing something wrong. That is 100% incorrect. He most definitely CAN drink alcohol IF his diabetes is under good control (which you have no idea whether it is or now) and he is NOT wrong in doing so. Thus, your statement that he shouldn't be drinking is presumptuous on your part and flat out incorrect.

Not surprising you fail to see the difference here. When you say shouldn't, you're saying he's not allowed to drink (whether he does or doesn't is irrelevant to this point). I can guarantee you that his Dr. did not say "you shouldn't have another alcoholic drink in your life again". I can tell that he probably did say, when he was finally under good enough control, "sure, you're allowed to drink as long as it's limited to 2 drinks/day, it's accounted for, etc.".

Can't wait to see your reply that says "yeah, that's exactly what I was saying..."

I'm still waiting for Carolina hustler to demonstrate that Cutler has been drinking heavily as a diabetic (i.e. after April 16, 2008) in the first place. Other than that, this whole tangent is based on hearsay and blind speculation.

Apparently, it doesn't matter if it's heavily or not. Dr. Hustler says diabetics shouldn't drink at all. And to think all the recommendations out there for the limits that diabetics can drink out there really mean "you should never drink, but if you're going to, this is how you should do it".

Newsflash--If diabetics "shouldn't drink", they wouldn't even put out the lower limits of what is allowed. They would just say drinking is advised against in ANY amount. That's never been said for diabetics under good control.

There are limits for mercury, lead and radiation. But maybe you should go head and dose up as long as your under the limit.This whole argument started over an article written by some writer for Fox sports I believe. Suggesting he still had a drinking problem and thats why McDaniels considered moving him.

I said IF he did still have a problem then it showed irresponsibility on his part and poor decision making.

Having a drinking problem insinuates that it's more than what should be considered ok right?

But some how, now that everyone everywhere is talking about this article this woman wrote, I'm some how the target of attack because in a nut shell, I said if it's true that Cutler has a drinking problem....

Like I said, go argue with someone else. May be you can write the reporter a letter.

Like I said, was just a matter of time until you changed your tune.Yes, if he has a drinking problem, that is not ok. That is a COMPLETELY different story than your statements several times over "he shouldn't be drinking". If you had clarified that earlier as what you meant, then it would have been over a while ago. But instead, you continued trying to explain how Type I is worst than Type II and he shouldn't be drinking. You even asked me to ask a doctor if he should be drinking. If what you meant was he shouldn't be out getting loaded, then why didn't you say so a good page or so ago? Maybe it's because that's not what you originally meant but now it's convenient to change to?

Anyway, it's been fun watching you flounder from post to post. It is interesting how you post so confidently about stuff that is so obviously wrong and not once can admit to being incorrect. It's ok to be incorrect. We all are at times. It's the refusal to acknowledge that that has fueled this fire against you. Maybe you can somehow realize that. I doubt you can, though.

ETA--As posted just 2 posts up, you listed as a "fact" that "Guys with Diabetes shouldn't drink". Are you still sticking by this as a fact or might you have been wrong?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

What Myths? You are wrong my friend.

Facts are facts...

The guy has Diabetes (Type1)

The guy likes to Drink

Guys with Diabetes shouldn't drink

A mild case of diabetes would be type2 and could be controlled by proper diet and exercise.

Type1 is more serious and requires insulin.

You can ask a doctor about any of it.....

"if"?it's layed out pretty clearly here that your original point was not hypothetical. Pls don't backtrack and hide behind an "if". After all, facts are facts.

I still stand behind my original statement...What exactly are you saying this post proves?

Nothing there detracts from my original post.

I think every post you make in this thread is another slight towards me or anyone pointing towards imperfection on Cutlers part. You like to fight I guess. I'm not interested. You'll find I won't respond to another of your posts. Go argue with someone else.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Like I said, was just a matter of time until you changed your tune.Yes, if he has a drinking problem, that is not ok. That is a COMPLETELY different story than your statements several times over "he shouldn't be drinking". If you had clarified that earlier as what you meant, then it would have been over a while ago. But instead, you continued trying to explain how Type I is worst than Type II and he shouldn't be drinking. You even asked me to ask a doctor if he should be drinking. If what you meant was he shouldn't be out getting loaded, then why didn't you say so a good page or so ago? Maybe it's because that's not what you originally meant but now it's convenient to change to?Anyway, it's been fun watching you flounder from post to post. It is interesting how you post so confidently about stuff that is so obviously wrong and not once can admit to being incorrect. It's ok to be incorrect. We all are at times. It's the refusal to acknowledge that that has fueled this fire against you. Maybe you can somehow realize that. I doubt you can, though.ETA--As posted just 2 posts up, you listed as a "fact" that "Guys with Diabetes shouldn't drink". Are you still sticking by this as a fact or might you have been wrong?

Didn't change my tune, my original statement is all there in black and white. Read it for yourself.

 

[gianmarco]

Never said he was... I said, IF he was..

Read it again, little slower this time...

What Myths? You are wrong my friend.

Facts are facts...

The guy has Diabetes (Type1)

The guy likes to Drink

Guys with Diabetes shouldn't drink

A mild case of diabetes would be type2 and could be controlled by proper diet and exercise.

Type1 is more serious and requires insulin.

You can ask a doctor about any of it.....

Hmmm

 

[Carolina Hustler]

ETA--As posted just 2 posts up, you listed as a "fact" that "Guys with Diabetes shouldn't drink". Are you still sticking by this as a fact or might you have been wrong?

Maybe it's just the opinion of most doctors. Certainly my uncles doctor that was dealing with his Kidney and Liver failure.Certainly my friends doctor, my friend who would go out to the clubs with us and never drank.

 

[gianmarco]

ETA--As posted just 2 posts up, you listed as a "fact" that "Guys with Diabetes shouldn't drink". Are you still sticking by this as a fact or might you have been wrong?

Maybe it's just the opinion of most doctors. Certainly my uncles doctor that was dealing with his Kidney and Liver failure.Certainly my friends doctor, my friend who would go out to the clubs with us and never drank.

It's not the opinion of most doctors. Your uncle having kidney and liver failure is a COMPLETELY different story. HE should not be drinking at all. Just because your friend decided not to drink does NOT mean he was told he shouldn't. So, might you have been wrong in saying Type 1 Diabetics shouldn't drink as you claimed earlier on more than one occasion?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Never said he was... I said, IF he was..

Read it again, little slower this time...

What Myths? You are wrong my friend.

Facts are facts...

The guy has Diabetes (Type1)

The guy likes to Drink

Guys with Diabetes shouldn't drink

A mild case of diabetes would be type2 and could be controlled by proper diet and exercise.

Type1 is more serious and requires insulin.

You can ask a doctor about any of it.....

Hmmm

And that has been documented... The guy likes to drink...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

ETA--As posted just 2 posts up, you listed as a "fact" that "Guys with Diabetes shouldn't drink". Are you still sticking by this as a fact or might you have been wrong?

Maybe it's just the opinion of most doctors. Certainly my uncles doctor that was dealing with his Kidney and Liver failure.Certainly my friends doctor, my friend who would go out to the clubs with us and never drank.

It's not the opinion of most doctors. Your uncle having kidney and liver failure is a COMPLETELY different story. HE should not be drinking at all. Just because your friend decided not to drink does NOT mean he was told he shouldn't. So, might you have been wrong in saying Type 1 Diabetics shouldn't drink as you claimed earlier on more than one occasion?

Now how would you know that?If I was basing everything upon your opinion I'd be wrong.

In my opinion and every person I've talked to about it before now, I'm right.

FYI, My uncles Kidney and Liver failure were a result of mixing his drinking with his disease..

 

[Despyzer]

I'd just like to say, as someone who was previously really enjoying the Cutler meltdown... CH, please stop. You're looking really bad in here, and making the rest of us who root against Cutler bad by association.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I'd just like to say, as someone who was previously really enjoying the Cutler meltdown... CH, please stop. You're looking really bad in here, and making the rest of us who root against Cutler bad by association.

lol

 

[ScottyFargo]

ETA--As posted just 2 posts up, you listed as a "fact" that "Guys with Diabetes shouldn't drink". Are you still sticking by this as a fact or might you have been wrong?

Maybe it's just the opinion of most doctors. Certainly my uncles doctor that was dealing with his Kidney and Liver failure.Certainly my friends doctor, my friend who would go out to the clubs with us and never drank.

Cutler likes to have more fun than your friend. Is your friend from Utah? It's a dry state I hear.

 

[moleculo]

What Myths? You are wrong my friend.

Facts are facts...

The guy has Diabetes (Type1)

The guy likes to Drink

Guys with Diabetes shouldn't drink

A mild case of diabetes would be type2 and could be controlled by proper diet and exercise.

Type1 is more serious and requires insulin.

You can ask a doctor about any of it.....

"if"?it's layed out pretty clearly here that your original point was not hypothetical. Pls don't backtrack and hide behind an "if". After all, facts are facts.

I still stand behind my original statement...What exactly are you saying this post proves?

Nothing there detracts from my original post.

I think every post you make in this thread is another slight towards me or anyone pointing towards imperfection on Cutlers part. You like to fight I guess. I'm not interested. You'll find I won't respond to another of your posts. Go argue with someone else.

I do like to fight. Like I said in the other Cutler thread, I think that's why they invented the internet. More importantly though, I like sound arguments and facts, which seem to be pretty scarce sometimes.You have painted me twice now as a Cutler supporter - I am not. I support McD in this whole fiasco. I agree completely that Cutler is being a baby, and his lack of maturity brought this whole thing on himself. Of course, like most fights, no one is 100% guilt free - McD shares culpability as well.

What I don't agree with is you claiming that Cutlers stats were inflated due to mop-up time (previously debunked), and I watched nearly every game last year, and know that wasn't true. I also don't agree with you continuing to rail on Cutlers alleged drinking problem, without allowing for the possibility that he has curbed said behavior since he was diagnosed (as he claimed he did).

I also do like to watch your arguments twist and bend to adapt to how you are being shown to be wrong though...it's quite commendable

 

[gianmarco]

ETA--As posted just 2 posts up, you listed as a "fact" that "Guys with Diabetes shouldn't drink". Are you still sticking by this as a fact or might you have been wrong?

Maybe it's just the opinion of most doctors. Certainly my uncles doctor that was dealing with his Kidney and Liver failure.Certainly my friends doctor, my friend who would go out to the clubs with us and never drank.

It's not the opinion of most doctors. Your uncle having kidney and liver failure is a COMPLETELY different story. HE should not be drinking at all. Just because your friend decided not to drink does NOT mean he was told he shouldn't. So, might you have been wrong in saying Type 1 Diabetics shouldn't drink as you claimed earlier on more than one occasion?

Now how would you know that?

If I was basing everything upon your opinion I'd be wrong.

In my opinion and every person I've talked to about it before now, I'm right.

FYI, My uncles Kidney and Liver failure were a result of mixing his drinking with his disease..

Let's just say I "know" that.But even if you want to assume your knowledge about diabetes is superior to mine (although I can assure you it's not), why not take a quick gander at the ADA page (that stands for American Diabetes Association, btw).

ADA statement on Alcohol

Alcohol is everywhere - when the family gathers, at cookouts, after the softball game, at parties. "What will you have?" someone asks. If you have diabetes, what do you say?

It all depends. Start by asking yourself three basic questions:

1. Is my diabetes under control?

2. Does my health care provider agree that I am free from health problems that alcohol can make worse-for example, diabetic nerve damage or high blood pressure?

3. Do I know how alcohol can affect me and my diabetes?



If you said "yes" to all three, it's OK to have an occasional drink. But what does occasional mean? The American Diabetes Association suggests that you have no more than two drinks a day if you are a man and no more than one drink a day if you are a woman. This recommendation is the same for people without diabetes.

Now, unless the ADA is in the habit of going against the opinion of most doctors, which would be odd since those recommendations come from doctors, then I would have to say that I would be correct in saying that most doctors do not feel that way and that you are indeed wrong. Of course, further below, it states how "Some people with diabetes should not drink alcohol. Alcohol can make some diabetic problems worse." So clearly, there are times that it is recommended that diabetics do NOT drink. However, for the most part, a diabetic, particularly one like Jay Cutler who is otherwise healthy and is almost assuredly keeping his glucose under control (or else he wouldn't be able to play football) can drink alcohol just like non-diabetics. Do you feel foolish now that you didn't even bother to look at the ADA page's stance on alcohol before spouting off what the opinion of "most doctors" are?

So...........

I'll ask you again: You listed as a "fact" that "Guys with Diabetes shouldn't drink". Are you still sticking by this as a fact or might you have been wrong?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Now, unless the ADA is in the habit of going against the opinion of most doctors, which would be odd since those recommendations come from doctors, then I would have to say that I would be correct in saying that most doctors do not feel that way and that you are indeed wrong.

Of course, further below, it states how "Some people with diabetes should not drink alcohol. Alcohol can make some diabetic problems worse." So clearly, there are times that it is recommended that diabetics do NOT drink. However, for the most part, a diabetic, particularly one like Jay Cutler who is otherwise healthy and keeps his glucose under control can drink alcohol just like non-diabetics. Do you feel foolish now that you didn't even bother to look at the ADA page's stance on alcohol before spouting off what the opinion of "most doctors" are?

1) I never said Jay still drinks. I said, he likes to drink (which has been documented) and I said If

he's still out partying and getting drunk (If he still has a drinking problem) then shows bad decision making and

irresponsibility.

2) there are 2 things wrong with your bolded text

a) you assume that Jay's condition is "otherwise healthy and keeps his glucose under control."

You wouldn't know that.

b) You won't find documentation anywhere that says any diabetic can "drink alcohol just like

non-diabetics". That isn't even close to what is said, even in the document you're quoting.

Like I've stated, repeated, and reposted several times now. If he's still out partying and getting drunk, then thats a problem. ADA says, and I had already stated, that if a diabetic has his blood sugar levels under control he can have up to 2 drinks a day. I'm not sure how that is measured by you. But I'd imagine that if Cutler was out partying and getting drunk, it would take a lot more than 2 drinks.

 

[gianmarco]

Now, unless the ADA is in the habit of going against the opinion of most doctors, which would be odd since those recommendations come from doctors, then I would have to say that I would be correct in saying that most doctors do not feel that way and that you are indeed wrong.

Of course, further below, it states how "Some people with diabetes should not drink alcohol. Alcohol can make some diabetic problems worse." So clearly, there are times that it is recommended that diabetics do NOT drink. However, for the most part, a diabetic, particularly one like Jay Cutler who is otherwise healthy and keeps his glucose under control can drink alcohol just like non-diabetics. Do you feel foolish now that you didn't even bother to look at the ADA page's stance on alcohol before spouting off what the opinion of "most doctors" are?

1) I never said Jay still drinks. I said, he likes to drink (which has been documented) and I said If

he's still out partying and getting drunk (If he still has a drinking problem) then shows bad decision making and

irresponsibility.

2) there are 2 things wrong with your bolded text

a) you assume that Jay's condition is "otherwise healthy and keeps his glucose under control."

You wouldn't know that.

b) You won't find documentation anywhere that says any diabetic can "drink alcohol just like

non-diabetics". That isn't even close to what is said, even in the document you're quoting.

Like I've stated, repeated, and reposted several times now. If he's still out partying and getting drunk, then thats a problem. ADA says, and I had already stated, that if a diabetic has his blood sugar levels under control he can have up to 2 drinks a day. I'm not sure how that is measured by you. But I'd imagine that if Cutler was out partying and getting drunk, it would take a lot more than 2 drinks.

#1 above is irrelevant to what I posted. Notice the end of my post. You stated as a fact that diabetics should not drink. I showed you definitive proof that they can indeed drink under direct acknowledgment from the ADA that it is ok to do so. You trying to backpedal into something else doesn't change your original statement that started this all off with you. When are you finally going to acknowledge that your statement is wrong? It is wrong. There is no gray area to it. Yet you keep changing what you "meant" to say when it's CLEAR AS DAY what you DID say. You made a statement that diabetics shouldn't drink. There is a direct link to the ADA stating otherwise. So are you wrong or is the ADA wrong?#2 above is not anything wrong with my bolded section. I am assuming Jay is otherwise healthy and keeps his glucose under control because he is an NFL player that puts his body under considerably more stress than the average person (and diabetic). If he were not otherwise healthy and if he wasn't keeping his glucose under control, not only would his doctors not allow him on the field but he wouldn't be able to function on the field as a QB in the NFL for a full 16 game season + practices. That's just common sense. Can I say the above with 100% absolute certainty? No, but pretty darn close to it.

For the second portion, there is NO medical advice anywhere that recommends or states "it's ok" to drink more than 2 drinks at a time. That will never be condoned or sanctioned by any medical professional. Now, we all know it happens. The dangers of doing so by a diabetic are multiplied many fold as compared to a non-diabetic if they do so. But, the recommendations for alcohol consumption for a diabetic (with good control) vs. a non-diabetic are IDENTICAL. Or are you going to refute that statement as well?

So, for a running tally:

1. Cutler does well in mop-up time and that's why his stats are inflated: myth

2. Cutler has been out drinking since his diagnosis of DMI as proved by those pictures: myth

3. Diabetics shouldn't drink alcohol: myth

4. Your story has stayed consistent and true this entire thread: myth

Are you done yet?

 

[ScottyFargo]

So, for a running tally:1. Cutler does well in mop-up time and that's why his stats are inflated: myth2. Cutler has been out drinking since his diagnosis of DMI as proved by those pictures: myth3. Diabetics shouldn't drink alcohol: myth4. Your story has stayed consistent and true this entire thread: mythAre you done yet?

I wasn't sure to start, but now man, he's gotta be fishing. There's no dirt left in that hole he's digging.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Now, unless the ADA is in the habit of going against the opinion of most doctors, which would be odd since those recommendations come from doctors, then I would have to say that I would be correct in saying that most doctors do not feel that way and that you are indeed wrong.

Of course, further below, it states how "Some people with diabetes should not drink alcohol. Alcohol can make some diabetic problems worse." So clearly, there are times that it is recommended that diabetics do NOT drink. However, for the most part, a diabetic, particularly one like Jay Cutler who is otherwise healthy and keeps his glucose under control can drink alcohol just like non-diabetics. Do you feel foolish now that you didn't even bother to look at the ADA page's stance on alcohol before spouting off what the opinion of "most doctors" are?

1) I never said Jay still drinks. I said, he likes to drink (which has been documented) and I said If

he's still out partying and getting drunk (If he still has a drinking problem) then shows bad decision making and

irresponsibility.

2) there are 2 things wrong with your bolded text

a) you assume that Jay's condition is "otherwise healthy and keeps his glucose under control."

You wouldn't know that.

b) You won't find documentation anywhere that says any diabetic can "drink alcohol just like

non-diabetics". That isn't even close to what is said, even in the document you're quoting.

Like I've stated, repeated, and reposted several times now. If he's still out partying and getting drunk, then thats a problem. ADA says, and I had already stated, that if a diabetic has his blood sugar levels under control he can have up to 2 drinks a day. I'm not sure how that is measured by you. But I'd imagine that if Cutler was out partying and getting drunk, it would take a lot more than 2 drinks.

#1 above is irrelevant to what I posted. Notice the end of my post. You stated as a fact that diabetics should not drink. I showed you definitive proof that they can indeed drink under direct acknowledgment from the ADA that it is ok to do so. You trying to backpedal into something else doesn't change your original statement that started this all off with you. When are you finally going to acknowledge that your statement is wrong? It is wrong. There is no gray area to it. Yet you keep changing what you "meant" to say when it's CLEAR AS DAY what you DID say. You made a statement that diabetics shouldn't drink. There is a direct link to the ADA stating otherwise. So are you wrong or is the ADA wrong?#2 above is not anything wrong with my bolded section. I am assuming Jay is otherwise healthy and keeps his glucose under control because he is an NFL player that puts his body under considerably more stress than the average person (and diabetic). If he were not otherwise healthy and if he wasn't keeping his glucose under control, not only would his doctors not allow him on the field but he wouldn't be able to function on the field as a QB in the NFL for a full 16 game season + practices. That's just common sense. Can I say the above with 100% absolute certainty? No, but pretty darn close to it.

For the second portion, there is NO medical advice anywhere that recommends or states "it's ok" to drink more than 2 drinks at a time. That will never be condoned or sanctioned by any medical professional. Now, we all know it happens. The dangers of doing so by a diabetic or multiplied many fold as compared to a non-diabetic if they do so. But, the recommendations for alcohol consumption for a diabetic (with good control) vs. a non-diabetic are IDENTICAL. Or are you going to refute that statement as well?

So, for a running tally:

1. Cutler does well in mop-up time and that's why his stats are inflated: myth

2. Cutler has been out drinking since his diagnosis of DMI as proved by those pictures: myth

3. Diabetics shouldn't drink alcohol: myth

4. Your story has stayed consistent and true this entire thread: myth

Are you done yet?

maybe I'm confusedMy point is that Cutler shouldn't be out getting drunk, and if he is, as the fox news reporter has stated, he's acting irresponsibly. Do you disagree with me there? That was my intent. It's obvious when you read the post... If you agree with that statment then we have nothing left to argue about.

I don't understand why you'd want to argue with me on whether it's type1 or type2, or how many doctors say it's ok for a Diabetic to drink.

The original statement you jumped up my ### about stated nothing other than, IF he's still out partying, then he's acting irresponsibly.

There are no laws for Diabetics. There are only consequences. A Diabetic cutting alcohol out of his life is going to do less damage to his liver and kidneys and is expected to live longer. Diabetes is already affecting the liver, and most times there are other problems that follow, like high blood pressure and high cholesterol. And for that reason, Diabetics shouldn't drink.

My original statement was right except for which type of Diabetes I thought Cutler had.