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[thecardiackid]

The point stands that, aside from his antics, Cutler has shown he's an insanely talented QB that is almost guaranteed to put up #'s no matter where he ends up.

While I am generally on your side of this debate, I think this is overstatement here.Cutler has played two full seasons. In the first, he was QB11, with 3497/20/14 on 467 attempts. In the second, he was QB5, with 4526/25/18 on 616 attempts. He has not stood out from his peers in terms of any rate- or attempt-based metric, other than sack rating in 2008. He could easily go to another team without the caliber of targets he has had in Denver and/or get 500 or fewer attempts in any given season... in which case he could easily finish outside the top 10.

we can get into a chicken/egg discussion though - I would argue that the Broncos went so pass/heavy because they had Cutler. With Cutler at the helm, throwing often was their best chance for success. Another team might reach a similar conclusion.

MoleculoAnd C.H., sometimes it's just better to quit when you're behind (on this argument for example).

I'm not sure debating whether Cutler is a top 12/10/7/5 NFL QB is worth the effort.

 

[Tau837]

The point stands that, aside from his antics, Cutler has shown he's an insanely talented QB that is almost guaranteed to put up #'s no matter where he ends up.

While I am generally on your side of this debate, I think this is overstatement here.Cutler has played two full seasons. In the first, he was QB11, with 3497/20/14 on 467 attempts. In the second, he was QB5, with 4526/25/18 on 616 attempts. He has not stood out from his peers in terms of any rate- or attempt-based metric, other than sack rating in 2008. He could easily go to another team without the caliber of targets he has had in Denver and/or get 500 or fewer attempts in any given season... in which case he could easily finish outside the top 10.

we can get into a chicken/egg discussion though - I would argue that the Broncos went so pass/heavy because they had Cutler. With Cutler at the helm, throwing often was their best chance for success. Another team might reach a similar conclusion.

Maybe. Or maybe it was the combination of Cutler, a lot of high quality targets, a lousy defense, and low confidence in a running game that had so many injuries. I'm sure Cutler was part of it, but I'm not sure he was *the* reason as you imply here.

 

[gianmarco]

The point stands that, aside from his antics, Cutler has shown he's an insanely talented QB that is almost guaranteed to put up #'s no matter where he ends up.

While I am generally on your side of this debate, I think this is overstatement here.Cutler has played two full seasons. In the first, he was QB11, with 3497/20/14 on 467 attempts. In the second, he was QB5, with 4526/25/18 on 616 attempts. He has not stood out from his peers in terms of any rate- or attempt-based metric, other than sack rating in 2008. He could easily go to another team without the caliber of targets he has had in Denver and/or get 500 or fewer attempts in any given season... in which case he could easily finish outside the top 10.

First of all, I have him as QB11 and QB3 in those 2 years in all of my leagues, not QB5 as you stated. Secondly, aside from a few starts to end the year in 2006 as a rookie, those were his 1st 2 complete seasons in the league. QB11 and QB3 may not be THAT significant for a QB that's been in the league for a while, but a QB that STARTS his career with those finishes, count me a believer. And it's not as if he had the benefit to sit behind a QB and learn like Rivers or Rodgers did. Talent shines through in the NFL no matter where you are (obviously, there will always be a few exceptions to the rule). You can see the talent both on the field by just watching him play as well as with the #'s. Previously in this thread, there are comparisons to him and other elite QBs and how they started their careers and Cutler is right on par with them and ahead in almost all of the categories that were listed (yds, TDs, wins in first 30 games). Could he completely fall off if he goes elsewhere? Well sure, I guess it's possible. But it's not likely, IMO. I simply can't imagine a situation where Cutler ends up that he's not going to be consistently throwing for 3500 yds and 20 TDs. I just don't see it. Even in a place like Detroit. I can't imagine a team pursuing Cutler at this point in time and then limiting him to fewer than 500 passing attempts. That's like buying a Corvette to drive it 15mph around the track. If one of these teams makes a play at him, I'm quite sure they do so intending to put his talent to use. I was NOT a Cutler fan coming into the league. I wasn't a fan after his few starts in 2006. I wasn't even a fan after his 2007. But during and after 2008 and watching how he's continued to progress and improve, the talent is unquestionably there. I can count on one hand the # of starting QBs in the league right now that are more talented than him, IMO. This is why I think he'll do well no matter where he goes. It's the same way I feel about Adrian Peterson at RB or Fitzgerald at WR. Those guys could leave their respective ideal situations and thrive no matter where they go because talent shines through. Cutler has it. I don't have to like him as a person or think he's a leader or any of that stuff. But for fantasy purposes, I'm quite sure this guy will get it done for your team.

 

[Buffaloes]

 

[Tau837]

The point stands that, aside from his antics, Cutler has shown he's an insanely talented QB that is almost guaranteed to put up #'s no matter where he ends up.

While I am generally on your side of this debate, I think this is overstatement here.Cutler has played two full seasons. In the first, he was QB11, with 3497/20/14 on 467 attempts. In the second, he was QB5, with 4526/25/18 on 616 attempts. He has not stood out from his peers in terms of any rate- or attempt-based metric, other than sack rating in 2008. He could easily go to another team without the caliber of targets he has had in Denver and/or get 500 or fewer attempts in any given season... in which case he could easily finish outside the top 10.

First of all, I have him as QB11 and QB3 in those 2 years in all of my leagues, not QB5 as you stated.

OK, YMMV. FBG rankings had him as QB5.

I simply can't imagine a situation where Cutler ends up that he's not going to be consistently throwing for 3500 yds and 20 TDs.

Oh, well, when you used "insanely talented" and "guaranteed to put up #'s no matter where he ends up" I took that to mean stronger numbers than 3500/20. I agree he is likely to put up 3500/20 consistently, barring injury or an abnormally low number of attempts. Of course, there were 8 QBs who did that last season, and a few others were close. That's not a particularly high threshold.

I can count on one hand the # of starting QBs in the league right now that are more talented than him, IMO... I don't have to like him as a person or think he's a leader or any of that stuff. But for fantasy purposes, I'm quite sure this guy will get it done for your team.

I think the person/leader part certainly is a risk. It may be a low risk, but it is not a non-existent risk. Certainly it would seem more likely at this point that Cutler gets benched at some point in the future for personality/leadership issues than all of the other QBs ranked around him.

 

[Silver & Black]

Dang In the end, I think this entire conversation is simply premature. I think it is clear that Cutler's got a lot of talent. He's young and has his whole career in front of him. But to draw any conclusions about just 2 years of data to draw from is, well, simply premature. I think he will shine wherever he goes. Once he matures and grows as a QB, his talents will shine through all the brighter, IMO. But I'm not ready to annoint him the next John Elway quite yet.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I think he will shine wherever he goes. Once he matures and grows as a QB, his talents will shine through all the brighter, IMO. But I'm not ready to annoint him the next John Elway quite yet.

That's OK, he's already annointed himself.

 

[massraider]

I think he will shine wherever he goes. Once he matures and grows as a QB, his talents will shine through all the brighter, IMO. But I'm not ready to annoint him the next John Elway quite yet.

That's OK, he's already annointed himself.

Let's see................plays for the Broncos.....

throws some stupid picks..........

Trying to force his way to a different team...........

hasn't won crap at this point in his career..............

I'd say he is well on his way.

 

[chook]

Great posts by Gianmarco and ScottyFargo...Carolina obviously has his opinion despite how incorrect and is trying to latch onto something. I think you're wasting your valuable knowledge.

It is actually quite comical how Carolina Hustler keeps trying to change his argument, every time his previous one gets blown out of the water.

This thread has actually become palatable once again after putting he and Twitch on ignore.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

What might be a better exercise is for you to list your 10-12 QBs you'd rank ahead of him for 2009. Should be interesting.

At this point, my '09' redraft rankings look like this: (as long as Cutler gets his act together and stays in Denver)Drew Brees Peyton Manning Tom Brady Philip Rivers Aaron RodgersKurt Warner Jay Cutler Tony Romo Matt Schaub Matt Ryan Donovan McNabb Matt Cassel Cutler slipped to seventh place in my rankings due to new coaching staff in Denver and anticipation that it will slow the entire offense (not just Cutler) to now learn a new scheme.The muddier the situation gets between McDaniels and Cutler, the lower he'll sink in my ranking. If the chemistry is bad then so will be production. He could stay in Denver and still rank lower for me if the team is in turmoil.My intention if Cutler were to move to a new team, depending on the situation would be to move him down anywhere between 3-5 spots. He'll have new WR's to learn on top of new coaching and a new offensive scheme.

 

[moleculo]

is there precedent for a pro-bowl, young QB switching teams? A QB whose skills are clearly on the upswing?

Brees maybe...he wasn't a pro-bowler, but he had some nice numbers in SD before they let him go. Who else?

 

[moleculo]

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Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

Several weeks ago, I called one of my NFL sources for information regarding the free agent market. I received what I expected, and something I didn't: a heads up about a "possible three-way trade in the near future."

I figured my source was talking about a deal outside of Denver; because clearly if they were holding a secret about a grain of salt in the Rocky Mountains my source would have spilled the beans even about that right then and there right?

Nope.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think that vague tip weeks ago was about Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, head coach Josh McDaniels, and the "Real World" episode airing about them daily on a television set now near you.

Unfortunately, the dots were finally connected for me in our conversation just (yes just) yesterday afternoon.

"Sorry, I'm so sorry Josina. I couldn't tell you at the time. [The secret trade talks] were too high up then. But, when I knew it was about to get out I tried to call you. Unfortunately I didn't have the phone with your number in it right then and there," my source explained pitifully.

Smile.

Clearly my source forgot about this radical invention called 411. You dial it on the phone nearest to you, and ask the operator to connect you to KDVR FOX 31 in Denver.

Lol.

After I finished yanking their chain for a good ten minutes over the phone, my source relented and revealed some rather interesting details about the now infamous Cutler trade that didn't materialize, and, their primary insight about Denver's A-list key players.

The first thing the source wanted to emphasize without hesitation was the fact that McDaniels definitely had his hand in the cookie jar.

Even though McDaniels characterized the Cutler trade talks as just “conversations,” in a recent interview with the NFL Network, and said that, “there wasn’t anything that we were trying to push hard to get through,” my source begged to differ in unbridled amusement.

"[Denver] was definitely negotiating. They were trying to get a trade in place and there is no doubt about that," said the league source.

“From Minnesota to Detroit to Tampa, although they got in the game late, Denver was trying to get something in place.”

As for why McDaniels was so hard pressed to roll Cutler out on the next Rocky Mountain train to “Anywhere but Here-land” my source (with primary knowledge of these conversations) said there were consistent themes in the coach’s concerns about Cutler.



(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)



The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

The source expanded their perspective of McDaniels’ concerns of Cutler learning and working in the Broncos’ new offensive scheme.



“This is a very complex situation. You have to be so smart to play his [McDaniels’] offense. [Tom] Brady and [Matt] Cassel are exceedingly smart quarterbacks. They are not the best athletes in the world but they both make really intelligent decisions. Cutler has a canon for an arm, but he doesn’t manage the game like those guys in critical situations. Brady and Cassel are workaholics. They have the stature, and they have the ability,” said the source.

Well everyone can argue about who they feel is the better quarterback between Cutler and Cassel now.

But at the end of the day, when it comes to the root of all of this drama in Denver, the source told FOX31 to point at New England and Kansas City.

“[bill] Belichick had first round offers and then some for Cassel. Believe me, a lot of people knew that was on the table. But look at what Matt ended up going to Kansas City for nothing. (Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel went to the Chiefs in exchange for a 2009 second round draft pick.) Trust me Bill wanted to pull the trigger on this one sooner rather than later. Then [scott] Pioli [the Chiefs new General Manager and former Patriots personnel executive] was scared [edit]-less that he wasn’t going to end up with Cassel for a moment there because before he left [New England] Scott was [edit] sure he was going to get Matt-that’s why I feel he took the job in Kansas City. I am convinced it was [belichick’s and Pioli’s master plan for [Pioli] to get Cassel all along when you watch how this played out.”

As for why Belichick ended up giving the Chiefs and Pioli such a sweetheart deal, the source opined some more.



“At the time all of this was going down, there’s was a part of me that felt like Belichick really wanted to take credit for Cassel. You see, I think if Matt goes to Kansas City, there is a chance he won’t be as good in the Chiefs’ system. Obviously if Cassel ended up in Denver, McDaniels can take more ownership of Matt’s success.”

But the league source told FOX31 sports that in his opinion Belichick took a lesser deal for Cassel in part to disassociate McDaniels’ work in Cassel’s accomplishments.

“I think Bill wants people to know that Brady and Cassel are successes because of his system. You see every other coach that left the Patriots has basically fallen flat on their face.”

As for who McDaniels will scout to replace Cutler if the Pro Bowl quarterback leaves?

“It will definitely have to be somebody who is smart enough to understand the intricacies of his system.”

And if Cutler is smart enough, he’ll make sure he convinces McDaniels he’s the guy not just physically but mentally as well.

“McDaniels has all the leverage he needs because Cutler is under contract, period. If Cutler tries to force his way out of there, plays for another team and performs poorly after all of this drama, his value will tank tremendously. Hopefully he decides to go back, but right now he is looking like an [edit].”

interestingly, the green portion has been removed from the original blog post.

 

[massraider]

Man, that was a real interesting read. Thanks.

 

[Donnybrook]

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Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

Entertaining for sure. But frankly, if you believe any of this crap, you will believe anything. Bellicheck did not take a lesser pick because he is an egomaniac. Bellicheck traded Cassell for a second round pick because that was the best offer on the table when he made the deal.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

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Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

Entertaining for sure. But frankly, if you believe any of this crap, you will believe anything. Bellicheck did not take a lesser pick because he is an egomaniac. Bellicheck traded Cassell for a second round pick because that was the best offer on the table when he made the deal.

Wasn't the 3 way trade offer on the table when he made the deal? That was a better offer....

 

[Donnybrook]

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Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

Entertaining for sure. But frankly, if you believe any of this crap, you will believe anything. Bellicheck did not take a lesser pick because he is an egomaniac. Bellicheck traded Cassell for a second round pick because that was the best offer on the table when he made the deal.

Wasn't the 3 way trade offer on the table when he made the deal? That was a better offer....

Not according to Belicheck:

On why he didn't wait longer to make the trade:

Belichick: "We pretty much had the deal done with Kansas City because there really wasn't any interest. And some of the teams said a three-way trade and that kind of thing, and those teams -- and I don't want to get into specifics -- but believe me, those teams I had contact with 24-48 hours before confirmation of the trade with Kansas City and those teams said they had no interest in the player. And you know, all of a sudden, we've got a situation at the last minute, 'Well, we would have done this, we would have done that.' There was no offer. I think there's speculation as to what a team might have been willing to trade.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...ht_from_be.htmlYou can choose not to believe him but this story seems more sensible to me than the notion that little Bill secretly needs to prove his superiority by trading a player for less than he is worth. He doesn't strike me as a guy that is that insecure.

 

[cstu]

The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

Worked out fine for Favre.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

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Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

Entertaining for sure. But frankly, if you believe any of this crap, you will believe anything. Bellicheck did not take a lesser pick because he is an egomaniac. Bellicheck traded Cassell for a second round pick because that was the best offer on the table when he made the deal.

Wasn't the 3 way trade offer on the table when he made the deal? That was a better offer....

Not according to Belicheck:

On why he didn't wait longer to make the trade:

Belichick: "We pretty much had the deal done with Kansas City because there really wasn't any interest. And some of the teams said a three-way trade and that kind of thing, and those teams -- and I don't want to get into specifics -- but believe me, those teams I had contact with 24-48 hours before confirmation of the trade with Kansas City and those teams said they had no interest in the player. And you know, all of a sudden, we've got a situation at the last minute, 'Well, we would have done this, we would have done that.' There was no offer. I think there's speculation as to what a team might have been willing to trade.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...ht_from_be.htmlYou can choose not to believe him but this story seems more sensible to me than the notion that little Bill secretly needs to prove his superiority by trading a player for less than he is worth. He doesn't strike me as a guy that is that insecure.

That does make more sense

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

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Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)



The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

Drinking, drunk, drunk.A friend of mine used to bartend in Denver for a few years before she moved to San Diego a little over a year ago. She said Jay was in her bar all the time. (I don't remember the name of the bar. I can ask . . .)

 

[Carolina Hustler]

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Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)



The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

Drinking, drunk, drunk.A friend of mine used to bartend in Denver for a few years before she moved to San Diego a little over a year ago. She said Jay was in her bar all the time. (I don't remember the name of the bar. I can ask . . .)

The kid definitely has a lot of growing up to do...

 

[Buffaloes]

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Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)



The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

Drinking, drunk, drunk.A friend of mine used to bartend in Denver for a few years before she moved to San Diego a little over a year ago. She said Jay was in her bar all the time. (I don't remember the name of the bar. I can ask . . .)

Looks like he had a few in that middle pic.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

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Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)



The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

Drinking, drunk, drunk.A friend of mine used to bartend in Denver for a few years before she moved to San Diego a little over a year ago. She said Jay was in her bar all the time. (I don't remember the name of the bar. I can ask . . .)

You shouldn't post stuff like this, Maurile. Jason Woods will inform you that it is not "germane" to the discussion. Things like character have nothing to do with this...

 

[moleculo]

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Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)



The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

Drinking, drunk, drunk.A friend of mine used to bartend in Denver for a few years before she moved to San Diego a little over a year ago. She said Jay was in her bar all the time. (I don't remember the name of the bar. I can ask . . .)

The kid definitely has a lot of growing up to do...

he certainly wouldn't be the first QB to toss a few back though.

 

[massraider]

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Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)



The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

Drinking, drunk, drunk.A friend of mine used to bartend in Denver for a few years before she moved to San Diego a little over a year ago. She said Jay was in her bar all the time. (I don't remember the name of the bar. I can ask . . .)

The kid definitely has a lot of growing up to do...

he certainly wouldn't be the first QB to toss a few back though.

Or blink when someone takes a picture.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

What are you, massraider, his lawyer?

 

[gianmarco]

What are you, massraider, his lawyer?

More quality posting in the Shark Pool.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

What are you, massraider, his lawyer?

More quality posting in the Shark Pool.

Yeah, because we all know that the "blinking when someone takes a picture" thing was so important to his defense. I mean that, that was "quality posting" right there.And the irony in your need to post that is not lost.

 

[massraider]

What are you, massraider, his lawyer?

Looks to me like his eyes are closed. I am not just going to pick up a torch because the rest of the lynch mob is having fun. Those pics are evidence of a drinking problem? Not from where I sit.My thinking throughout this entire mess is that Cutler is an ascending talent, and the Broncos should be looking to build around him. I think there's a good chance he's a ########, as well. But no one ever said D-bags can't win football games. And players rally around guys that can play well. And Cutler can play well. He has some decision-making problems, but so did Elway in the early years. Heck, Favre had them throughout his entire Hall of Fame career.

As much as Cutler is being a baby, he can fix it in a week. All he has to do is show up for camp, say the right things, and throw for another 4,000 yards. Fans will cheer for him. If TO can have Cowboy fans cheer for him, then anyone saying that Cutler has damaged his relationship with the fans doesn't know their NFL history.

I don't think McDaniels has the same margin for error. And I think he is making a mistake the way he is handling this, all the way down the line. If Cutler doesn't want to play good soldier, and just fall in lockstep with the new coach, McD should have anticipated that. The reality is, if Cutler is the QB this year, his performance is going to directly affect McDaniels' job security.

I think people are confusing what Cutler should do, with what people would like him to do, or how they imagine pro athletes should behave.

There's a lot of people round here, that resent the money these guys make, and can't stand to hear any complaining from an NFL player. It's not a realistic point of view, IMO.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

You shouldn't post stuff like this, Maurile. Jason Woods will inform you that it is not "germane" to the discussion. Things like character have nothing to do with this...

Getting caught being drunk in front of a camera a few times really has more entertainment value than true probative value regarding his QB skillz. The pics are just kind of for fun. (After all, there are some pretty funny Drunk Eli pics out there as well, but dude has a ring.)On the other hand, rightly or wrongly, partying hard too publicly doesn't send a message that you're all that serious about being the best QB you can be. (Ask Matt Leinart's critics.)Alcohol and other drugs can be problematic. I don't know if Cutler's got a problem, but it's not a good sign that he still drinks after he's been diagnosed as a Type I diabetic. I think alcohol is generally contraindicated in that situation. It's also not a good sign that the coach (who probably has information from others in the organization) may be worried about it. In addition, I'd heard before any of this stuff that Cutler is a regular in the Denver bar scene.It's not like other QBs haven't been successfully while partying it up throughout their careers, though. Ken Stabler comes to mind right away, with Joe Namath perhaps not far behind. I guess Brett Favre liked to party early in his career. And Kerry Collins, I suppose, although he's not as good an example of success.Anyway, I guess my point here is that the drinking could easily be overblown. Or it could be a problem. Who knows? But if the coach is worried about it that's not a good sign. And even aside from any issues with alcohol, Cutler still doesn't seem like he's got the attitude and mentality of a team leader, IMO, but obviously a lot of people disagree.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

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Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)



The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

Drinking, drunk, drunk.A friend of mine used to bartend in Denver for a few years before she moved to San Diego a little over a year ago. She said Jay was in her bar all the time. (I don't remember the name of the bar. I can ask . . .)

The kid definitely has a lot of growing up to do...

he certainly wouldn't be the first QB to toss a few back though.

I'm sure he isn't... LOLBut still has a lot of growing up to do. I could have put it differently. But it is obvious.

Anything negative posted about Cutler seems to invoke a blinded defense...

OK, I give up... Cutler is the second coming.... Anything he does regardless of how that behavior would be looked upon otherwise is now the new standard for perfect.

No disrespect intended moleculo. This certainly isn't directed solely at you. But my god, you have to admit the kid has faults right?

 

[gump]

I wonder if Cutler may have gotten wind of McDaniels concern over his personal life...something Cutler doesn't think is an issue...and if THAT could be what he is so pi$$ed about...and why he may not be willling to repair the relationship.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

You shouldn't post stuff like this, Maurile. Jason Woods will inform you that it is not "germane" to the discussion. Things like character have nothing to do with this...

Getting caught being drunk in front of a camera a few times really has more entertainment value than true probative value regarding his QB skillz. The pics are just kind of for fun. (After all, there are some pretty funny Drunk Eli pics out there as well, but dude has a ring.)On the other hand, rightly or wrongly, partying hard too publicly doesn't send a message that you're all that serious about being the best QB you can be. (Ask Matt Leinart's critics.)Alcohol and other drugs can be problematic. I don't know if Cutler's got a problem, but it's not a good sign that he still drinks after he's been diagnosed as a Type I diabetic. I think alcohol is generally contraindicated in that situation. It's also not a good sign that the coach (who probably has information from others in the organization) may be worried about it. In addition, I'd heard before any of this stuff that Cutler is a regular in the Denver bar scene.It's not like other QBs haven't been successfully while partying it up throughout their careers, though. Ken Stabler comes to mind right away, with Joe Namath perhaps not far behind. I guess Brett Favre liked to party early in his career. And Kerry Collins, I suppose, although he's not as good an example of success.Anyway, I guess my point here is that the drinking could easily be overblown. Or it could be a problem. Who knows? But if the coach is worried about it that's not a good sign. And even aside from any issues with alcohol, Cutler still doesn't seem like he's got the attitude and mentality of a team leader, IMO, but obviously a lot of people disagree.

Maurile, my initial response was only a tongue-in-cheek reply, by the way. I was alluding to a story I relayed earlier here about Cutler getting kicked out of his Country Club in Denver...for good. As in, they revoked his membership. Some here discarded that, which is fine. However, my point was that, take it or leave it, it is at least worth mentioning -- it's just a messageboard. Regardless, I'll move on...Personally, I'm actually onboard with the (your) thinking that he has a serious attitude problem; and possibly more. In my mind, none of this mess would have started if there wasn't more under the surface. Denver brass is just not that dumb, no way. That's exactly why I believe that stories like yours (and mine) indeed have merit; or at least some. Cutler-backers like to easily dismiss such stories as hearsay and whatnot, and do so without batting an eye. And in some instances, rightfully so. But this is, in fact, not a courtroom, and I think it's okay at this point, to speculate some. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I think he will shine wherever he goes. Once he matures and grows as a QB, his talents will shine through all the brighter, IMO. But I'm not ready to annoint him the next John Elway quite yet.

That's OK, he's already annointed himself.

Let's see................plays for the Broncos.....

throws some stupid picks..........

Trying to force his way to a different team...........

hasn't won crap at this point in his career..............

I'd say he is well on his way.

At least he didn't cry when he got drafted.He saved those tears for when he realized his new coach didn't have a man crush on him.

 

[candymanvandyfan]

Jay's 2008 season has him at 10th place on the all-time NFL single season passes completed list. Only one other player age 25 or younger appears in the top ten. That's pretty good, right? Even with the beer...

It's not like Jay saw a lot of 8 in the box. Everybody knew Denver was throwing the ball.

There's no telling what Jay Cutler could do at a place like Minnesota or Chicago.

 

[JamesTheScot]

What are you, massraider, his lawyer?

Looks to me like his eyes are closed. I am not just going to pick up a torch because the rest of the lynch mob is having fun. Those pics are evidence of a drinking problem? Not from where I sit.My thinking throughout this entire mess is that Cutler is an ascending talent, and the Broncos should be looking to build around him. I think there's a good chance he's a ########, as well. But no one ever said D-bags can't win football games. And players rally around guys that can play well. And Cutler can play well. He has some decision-making problems, but so did Elway in the early years. Heck, Favre had them throughout his entire Hall of Fame career.

As much as Cutler is being a baby, he can fix it in a week. All he has to do is show up for camp, say the right things, and throw for another 4,000 yards. Fans will cheer for him. If TO can have Cowboy fans cheer for him, then anyone saying that Cutler has damaged his relationship with the fans doesn't know their NFL history.

I don't think McDaniels has the same margin for error. And I think he is making a mistake the way he is handling this, all the way down the line. If Cutler doesn't want to play good soldier, and just fall in lockstep with the new coach, McD should have anticipated that. The reality is, if Cutler is the QB this year, his performance is going to directly affect McDaniels' job security.

I think people are confusing what Cutler should do, with what people would like him to do, or how they imagine pro athletes should behave.

There's a lot of people round here, that resent the money these guys make, and can't stand to hear any complaining from an NFL player. It's not a realistic point of view, IMO.

A couple of points...First, you're right that all Cutler has to do is get into camp, say the right things and then throw for 4000 yards. And he could do all of that right now. All he had to do is say he doesn't want a trade and then show up the the voluntary activities so he can start learning the new system so he can throw for 4,000 yards this season. Too bad he didn't do that - instead he wants a trade because he isn't reassured that he's McDaniels's guy.

Second, I think McDaniels did anticipate how Cutler could be...so he tried to trade him. And he tried to keep him from knowing that he had tried to trade him. That adds up to McDaniels knowing what he has in Cutler and maybe not being enthralled -or at least wanting what Cassell has to offer more.

How do we know he isn't Jeff George instead of Brett Favre?

 

[massraider]

A couple of points...First, you're right that all Cutler has to do is get into camp, say the right things and then throw for 4000 yards. And he could do all of that right now. All he had to do is say he doesn't want a trade and then show up the the voluntary activities so he can start learning the new system so he can throw for 4,000 yards this season. Too bad he didn't do that - instead he wants a trade because he isn't reassured that he's McDaniels's guy.

This sort of creates the impression that Cutler has passed some point of no return. I don't happen to think that. It's March. It's not even mini-camp yet. He missed voluntary workouts. They haven't even installed the offense yet.

Second, I think McDaniels did anticipate how Cutler could be...so he tried to trade him. And he tried to keep him from knowing that he had tried to trade him. That adds up to McDaniels knowing what he has in Cutler and maybe not being enthralled -or at least wanting what Cassell has to offer more.

Well, McDaniels now is saying Cutler is his QB, and he wants him to be there. What does that tell us? Either McDaniels actually believes in Cutler, or he is lying. Again.

 

[Tau837]

Jay's 2008 season has him at 10th place on the all-time NFL single season passes completed list. Only one other player age 25 or younger appears in the top ten. That's pretty good, right? Even with the beer... It's not like Jay saw a lot of 8 in the box. Everybody knew Denver was throwing the ball. There's no telling what Jay Cutler could do at a place like Minnesota or Chicago.

Well, to balance that, consider that instead of Shanahan, Marshall, Royal, and Scheffler, he'd have:- Childress, Berrian, Rice, and Shiancoe in Minnesota- Lovie Smith, Hester, Bennett, and Olsen in Chicago :X I think that offsets some of the benefit you are implying he would get with a better running game...

 

[ScottyFargo]

Jay's 2008 season has him at 10th place on the all-time NFL single season passes completed list. Only one other player age 25 or younger appears in the top ten. That's pretty good, right? Even with the beer... It's not like Jay saw a lot of 8 in the box. Everybody knew Denver was throwing the ball. There's no telling what Jay Cutler could do at a place like Minnesota or Chicago.

Well, to balance that, consider that instead of Shanahan, Marshall, Royal, and Scheffler, he'd have:- Childress, Berrian, Rice, and Shiancoe in Minnesota- Lovie Smith, Hester, Bennett, and Olsen in Chicago :X I think that offsets some of the benefit you are implying he would get with a better running game...

Ah! But don't forget defense. Also I think Cutler / Berrian and Shaincoe could make some nice music, but I might be biased.

 

[thecardiackid]

link

Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)



The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

Drinking, drunk, drunk.A friend of mine used to bartend in Denver for a few years before she moved to San Diego a little over a year ago. She said Jay was in her bar all the time. (I don't remember the name of the bar. I can ask . . .)

Denverites?(left to right)

The Church (pretty sure)

Cherry Cricket (kinda sure)

Dunno (looks like LODO w/ the ceilings)

And that's from a guy who doesn't drink anymore, and hasn't been out @ a bar in about 2 yrs.

Also, please relax - those of you judging this 25 yr. old for being out partying. Like none of us did ANYTHING like that... hard to imagine that the Broncos brass might leak some less than flattering "news" to somehow make their side of this mess look a little better.

When he shows up tanked @ team meetings/practice, then we can talk about his *problem*.

 

[rascal]

link

Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)



The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

Drinking, drunk, drunk.A friend of mine used to bartend in Denver for a few years before she moved to San Diego a little over a year ago. She said Jay was in her bar all the time. (I don't remember the name of the bar. I can ask . . .)

Lame. It's illegal for a 25 year old to have fun in this country.And for the record...those pictures were taken before he was diagnosed.

Not to mention I love journalism where everything is "source said this source said that" with nothing to back it up.

Well I have a source who told me that Obama is in fact white, gay, and a republican but wanted to play a practical joke on America. It's obviously true.

 

[tex]

link

Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)



The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

Drinking, drunk, drunk.A friend of mine used to bartend in Denver for a few years before she moved to San Diego a little over a year ago. She said Jay was in her bar all the time. (I don't remember the name of the bar. I can ask . . .)

The kid definitely has a lot of growing up to do...

he certainly wouldn't be the first QB to toss a few back though.

I'm sure there are a few HOF QB's who not only "tossed back a few" but probably played the game not quite sober.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I'm sure there are a few HOF QB's who not only "tossed back a few" but probably played the game not quite sober.

Stabler played some of his best games hungover, if not still drunk.Fascinating autobiography, by the way.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Cutler hurting more than Broncos with behavior

By Charles Robinson

March 25, 2009

This can’t go on forever, this little game of text messages and pleas and ignored olive branches. Denver Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels knows it, even if his quarterback, Jay Cutler, doesn’t.

So when Tuesday came and McDaniels sat down with the media at the NFL’s annual meetings, his most expansive moments since his fallout with Cutler were spent fortifying his position. In nearly an hour of questioning, and at a table that looked like it was hosting a town-hall meeting, McDaniels reiterated that Cutler is Denver’s quarterback until he isn’t. In mostly even tones and in an environment that never really got testy, the Broncos coach subtly put the ball in Cutler’s court, stating that the team would do what it could to repair the relationship. But McDaniels also admitted the franchise hadn’t actually moved off the stance that had agitated its Pro Bowl quarterback in the first place – that if something better comes along for the Broncos, his quarterback can be had, just like anyone else.

Whether Cutler likes it or not, all his consternation in recent weeks hasn’t made him any more untouchable.

“I think I would be contradicting myself if I said that,” McDaniels said. “Like I said, he’s our quarterback, we’re committed to him, and – and – we will always do what’s in the best interest of our team. That’s why we’re talking about this right now – because there was a scenario that was presented that was considered. I’m not going to fall back from that.”

In essence, what Tuesday amounted to was McDaniels firmly reasserting his line of defense in a situation in which Cutler and his agent, Bus Cook, have done most of the talking in recent weeks. He acknowledged that the Broncos seriously entertained a three-way trade that would have sent Cutler to Tampa Bay and delivered New England’s Matt Cassel to Denver. And he even went as far as to say that it was timing, as much as anything, that scuttled the deal. But McDaniels also once again said he now wants to move forward with Cutler, alternating between both a soft approach (“He’s a very good player”) and a more firm stance (“He’s under contract. He’s our quarterback.”)

Interestingly, McDaniels said he still wants a one-on-one meeting with Cutler and gave the impression that such a meeting would cure some of the problems. It came off as a shot across the bow of Cook, who has been painted as a villain in the whole standoff in some media circles. Certainly, McDaniels didn’t do anything to indicate that Cook was helping to solve the current problem, and even said that Cook shouldn’t be involved in the talk that the coach wants to have with Cutler.

“It’s not an issue for an agent,” McDaniels said. “That’s all I’ll say. We’re not talking about contracts. It’s not an issue for an agent. That’s why I want to speak with the player.”

Cook hasn’t returned several calls seeking his comment. But as a practical matter, it’s unknown how many other concrete avenues are available to resolve the situation. While there have been a litany of media reports about the other NFL teams interested in Cutler, the validity of such interest hasn’t been fleshed out very well. McDaniels said he hasn’t been approached this week by other teams, even though this is typically a time when teams begin to put their heads together on potential predraft deals.

“They’ve never done it – zero,” McDaniels said. “Nobody has approached me, called me – I don’t know if they’re afraid of me or if this thing is really silly. Nobody’s talked to me, nobody’s tried to communicate with me indirectly or directly. I know that people have briefly expressed interest to [broncos general manager] Brian Xanders, but again, I’ll reiterate, there’s not any decision that’s going to happen in our organization relative to our football team without going through me.”

But after talking to a variety of personnel sources over the past 10 days, a handful of facts have emerged:

• Before Tampa was involved in a potential three-way trade for Cutler, Minnesota was actually the first team to become engaged in talks for the quarterback. McDaniels acknowledged Tuesday that another team had inquired about Cutler prior to Tampa Bay’s interest, but he declined to name that team. A personnel source confirmed it was the Vikings. According to two league sources, the Vikings would have shipped draft picks to Denver for Cutler, and Denver would have turned around and sent picks to New England for Cassel. However, the deal fell apart early on, after some elements in the Minnesota coaching staff weren’t entirely sold on Cutler.

• At some point in the process, the Detroit Lions and Chicago Bears also expressed interest in Cutler. The depth of that interest is unknown, but both teams are still thought to be in play if Cutler once again becomes available.

• While the New York Jets have also been tabbed as a potential destination for Cutler, Jets head coach Rex Ryan spent much of Tuesday talking up his own quarterbacks and seemingly trying to extricate himself from the Cutler talk. But when cornered about what he would do if an opportunity presented itself for a veteran quarterback, Ryan left the door open, saying, “You consider all the options.”

Yet the longer Cutler’s standoff with the Broncos continues, the more damage he may be doing to his own value. Clearly, the situation has fostered some negative impressions of him in other organizations. One high-ranking NFC personnel man said last week that the public nature of Cutler’s problems with Denver is definitely sending a message.

“It’s human nature to form opinions, especially when you are reading [Cutler’s] own words,” he said. “Not being on the inside of it, it seems pretty immature. But, you know, how you conduct yourself when you’re not happy says something about you. … He seems like an emotional guy – just volatile emotionally.”

And while coaches and executives can’t talk in specifics about players on other rosters, a handful pointed at emotions as a primary part of what separates quarterbacks. Houston Texans coach Gary Kubiak spoke about the importance of the bond and trust that has to exist between a quarterback and his head coach. Kansas City Chiefs coach Todd Haley took it a step further, suggesting that mental maturity is a key long-term factor.

“If you’re sensitive and you’re not mentally tough, you’re not going to have a great chance to succeed,” Haley said, speaking in generalities about quarterbacks. “Some of these guys, Kurt Warner and Tony Romo, some of these guys that weren’t ‘the guy’ and had to go through these trials and tribulations – like Matt Cassel, who’s been told ‘you’re not good enough’ for how many years? – you develop that shell that gives you a chance to overcome adversity. I think if you don’t have that or if that’s not your mental makeup, that’s probably a problem.”

So here the Broncos are, with a player who continues to insist he no longer wants to play for them, yet they continue to dig in and push for a resolution without actually changing their approach. McDaniels said he believes Cutler will still be the team’s quarterback five weeks from now; that he has confidence Cutler will show up for Denver’s first mandatory camp for veterans next month; and that Cutler will ultimately succeed in the new scheme. But every day, damage is being done, both in terms of perception and preparation.

“Obviously, the days that are missed relative to installation and opportunity for any player to learn our system, it will obviously hinder our development in what we’re doing,” McDaniels said. “But that’s part of coaching. … This isn’t necessarily an ideal situation, but you’ve got to work with whatever time you have. You do what you can do within the system if a player doesn’t have great understanding of something at some point.”

For now, it’s an awkward stance – hoping for the best and preparing to make do with the worst. But Denver’s attitude has appeared to solidify: It’s Cutler’s move, and ultimately he’s the one who will have to adjust.

“I can’t convince anybody of anything if they don’t want to believe it,” McDaniels said. “I think part of it is, like I said, we want him to be here, we’re committed to him, and I think it’s got to be two ways. I think that’s the biggest thing – if he wants to commit to us, then I think there are some certain things that he’s going to have to get over personally. And that’s a challenge for him. It’s a challenge in this whole situation.”

 

[zdaddy]

A friend of mine used to bartend in Denver for a few years before she moved to San Diego a little over a year ago. She said Jay was in her bar all the time. (I don't remember the name of the bar. I can ask . . .)

The kid definitely has a lot of growing up to do...

he certainly wouldn't be the first QB to toss a few back though.

I'm sure there are a few HOF QB's who not only "tossed back a few" but probably played the game not quite sober.

One by the name of John Elway. You could always tell when he was playin' while hangin', those were tough games to watch.

 

[Tau837]

Cutler hurting more than Broncos with behavior

...

But after talking to a variety of personnel sources over the past 10 days, a handful of facts have emerged:

• Before Tampa was involved in a potential three-way trade for Cutler, Minnesota was actually the first team to become engaged in talks for the quarterback. McDaniels acknowledged Tuesday that another team had inquired about Cutler prior to Tampa Bay’s interest, but he declined to name that team. A personnel source confirmed it was the Vikings. According to two league sources, the Vikings would have shipped draft picks to Denver for Cutler, and Denver would have turned around and sent picks to New England for Cassel. However, the deal fell apart early on, after some elements in the Minnesota coaching staff weren’t entirely sold on Cutler.

Interesting.

 

[Donnybrook]

Cutler hurting more than Broncos with behavior

...

But after talking to a variety of personnel sources over the past 10 days, a handful of facts have emerged:

• Before Tampa was involved in a potential three-way trade for Cutler, Minnesota was actually the first team to become engaged in talks for the quarterback. McDaniels acknowledged Tuesday that another team had inquired about Cutler prior to Tampa Bay’s interest, but he declined to name that team. A personnel source confirmed it was the Vikings. According to two league sources, the Vikings would have shipped draft picks to Denver for Cutler, and Denver would have turned around and sent picks to New England for Cassel. However, the deal fell apart early on, after some elements in the Minnesota coaching staff weren’t entirely sold on Cutler.

Interesting.

Maybe I am confused on the timeline of events but doesn’t this revelation weaken McDaniels position.

On Tuesday, McDaniels said that he had never even contemplated trading Cutler or trying to acquire Cassel until a team called the Broncos making a serious offer just as free agency was beginning. Although the talks never got far, McDaniels said he was obligated to consider the offer.

So, according to the Yahoo story, both the Vikings and Tampa made offers for Cutler prior to Cassel being traded. How did both teams know Cutler was available if McDaniels wasn’t actively shopping him? I wonder if McDaniels took a long look at Denver’s defense and said to himself we need to rebuild it from scratch and we need a ton of draft picks to do it. Who can I trade for a boatload of draft picks? Do I need a QB? Well, Brady was a 6th round pick and Cassel was a 7th rounder - maybe I can find sleeper as well.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Cutler hurting more than Broncos with behavior

...

But after talking to a variety of personnel sources over the past 10 days, a handful of facts have emerged:

• Before Tampa was involved in a potential three-way trade for Cutler, Minnesota was actually the first team to become engaged in talks for the quarterback. McDaniels acknowledged Tuesday that another team had inquired about Cutler prior to Tampa Bay’s interest, but he declined to name that team. A personnel source confirmed it was the Vikings. According to two league sources, the Vikings would have shipped draft picks to Denver for Cutler, and Denver would have turned around and sent picks to New England for Cassel. However, the deal fell apart early on, after some elements in the Minnesota coaching staff weren’t entirely sold on Cutler.

Interesting.

Maybe I am confused on the timeline of events but doesn’t this revelation weaken McDaniels position.

On Tuesday, McDaniels said that he had never even contemplated trading Cutler or trying to acquire Cassel until a team called the Broncos making a serious offer just as free agency was beginning. Although the talks never got far, McDaniels said he was obligated to consider the offer.

So, according to the Yahoo story, both the Vikings and Tampa made offers for Cutler prior to Cassel being traded. How did both teams know Cutler was available if McDaniels wasn’t actively shopping him? I wonder if McDaniels took a long look at Denver’s defense and said to himself we need to rebuild it from scratch and we need a ton of draft picks to do it. Who can I trade for a boatload of draft picks? Do I need a QB? Well, Brady was a 6th round pick and Cassel was a 7th rounder - maybe I can find sleeper as well.

I really think it should be clear to everyone by now that McDaniels WAS shopping Cutler. Maybe it was because of what you suggest, which isn't a bad idea. Or maybe it was because he heard Cutler was a drunk jackass. Either way, continuing to pretend that McDaniels got some calls about Cutler out of the blue is folly.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

link

Blog entry from the chick who broke the water pill story - she seems to have inside info....interesting.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)



The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

Drinking, drunk, drunk.A friend of mine used to bartend in Denver for a few years before she moved to San Diego a little over a year ago. She said Jay was in her bar all the time. (I don't remember the name of the bar. I can ask . . .)

Lame. It's illegal for a 25 year old to have fun in this country.And for the record...those pictures were taken before he was diagnosed.

Not to mention I love journalism where everything is "source said this source said that" with nothing to back it up.

Well I have a source who told me that Obama is in fact white, gay, and a republican but wanted to play a practical joke on America. It's obviously true.

How would you know when the pics were taken?

 

[JamesTheScot]

A couple of points...First, you're right that all Cutler has to do is get into camp, say the right things and then throw for 4000 yards. And he could do all of that right now. All he had to do is say he doesn't want a trade and then show up the the voluntary activities so he can start learning the new system so he can throw for 4,000 yards this season. Too bad he didn't do that - instead he wants a trade because he isn't reassured that he's McDaniels's guy.

This sort of creates the impression that Cutler has passed some point of no return. I don't happen to think that. It's March. It's not even mini-camp yet. He missed voluntary workouts. They haven't even installed the offense yet.

Second, I think McDaniels did anticipate how Cutler could be...so he tried to trade him. And he tried to keep him from knowing that he had tried to trade him. That adds up to McDaniels knowing what he has in Cutler and maybe not being enthralled -or at least wanting what Cassell has to offer more.

Well, McDaniels now is saying Cutler is his QB, and he wants him to be there. What does that tell us? Either McDaniels actually believes in Cutler, or he is lying. Again.

First, I implied no such thing. The point was that Cutler can fix things, with which I don't disagree. I'm merely saying he's not ready to do that yet, apparently, and who knows how long his temper will last. Maybe the next one-on-one will fix things. Who knows.As for McDaniels saying Cutler is his QB...of course Cutler is his QB. Since the Cassell deal fell through, has you heard anything else from the front office? Do you think McDaniels has changed his position that every player on the roster is tradeable? I don't and I'm guessing he'll reinforce that at the next press conference. So all that means is that he wants Cutler over what his other current options are. That's not a lie, it's simply a statement about the market. Cutler is still tradeable if the right deal comes along.But the Broncos have been saying they didn't intend to move Cutler once the Cassell deal fell through. Just wait until the next time someone asks McDaniels about trading Cutler. You're going to get something along the lines of "We want Cutler here as our QB". What you aren't going to hear is "Jay Cutler is untradeable". The two are not mutually exclusive statements.

 

[fatness]

he certainly wouldn't be the first QB to toss a few back though.

The old QB's were talked about fondly for doing so. Kilmer and Jurgensen with the Redskins are still admired for it.But see, it's March in the Shark Pool. And since the draft isn't close yet, and training camps are far away, the forum scope expands to include NFL talk, fantasy talk, and moral indignation. So you'll be seeing plenty more of this.