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[FUBAR]

I hope the Lions trade their second first round pick for Cutler and Denver's second. Or, trade your #1 pick in the draft for Cutler and all of Denver's 1st and second round picks.

The Lions would be the greatest thieves since Robin Hood if they pulled that off.

 

[FUBAR]

McDaniels turned a guy that had never played a game since HS into a solid NFL QB.

I wouldn't be surprised if he could do the same with a much more talented, yet flawed QB in Matt Leniert.

I think you forgot that they had the best WR in the NFL, another very good WR, a very good line and arguably the best coach in the game and a solid defense. The same is not true in Denver.

3/5 ain't a bad start. (ok, Marshall isn't the best in the game, but he's in the upper echelon)

 

[Ozymandias]

LOL, I think you know that's impossible. Sometimes you have to read between the lines and when I do that, I get that he lied to Cutler. There was a link in which McDaniels refused to say whether or not he tried to trade Cutler, or some variation of that. I think refusals to clarify something like that mean that the person did it and doesn't want to admit it, but YMMV.

It seems like what the public hears and what goes on behind closed doors is expected to be 2 different things...McDaniels being evasive to the media in now way means he has lied to Cutler. That tact is used ALL THE TIME.

Lets stop saying Cutler was lied too unless someone can provide a link that actually says so.

Well, it may be a lot of things, but tact it ain't.

 

[Banger]

McDaniels turned a guy that had never played a game since HS into a solid NFL QB.

I wouldn't be surprised if he could do the same with a much more talented, yet flawed QB in Matt Leniert.

I think you forgot that they had the best WR in the NFL, another very good WR, a very good line and arguably the best coach in the game and a solid defense. The same is not true in Denver.

3/5 ain't a bad start. (ok, Marshall isn't the best in the game, but he's in the upper echelon)

I put Marshall on par with or a little above Welker. Royal is average at this point...NE's line>>Denver..so maybe 1/5.

 

[Yenrub]

I think the Carolina angle is the most interesting. I know NE is in a bid to get Peppers, but what about a Cutler/Scheffler for Peppers/Delhomme (+ maybe the appropriate draft picks swap)? CAR gets its next franchise QB and an established QB-TE hookup, and DEN dramatically improves its achilles' heel defense while maintaining a veteran presence @ QB. Why not?

it's an interesting trade, but i see 2 problems:1-i can't imagine there's any way that the broncos would trade cutler to a team that could win the SB (that's why the lions make sense to me).2-i don't think the broncos would care about getting delhomme back. it'd be easier to just sign garcia.

1. If the Broncos do trade him, I would imagine simply not having him in the AFC would be good enough2. You are right, but I know a few Panther fans that would love to get rid of Jake.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

LOL, I think you know that's impossible. Sometimes you have to read between the lines and when I do that, I get that he lied to Cutler. There was a link in which McDaniels refused to say whether or not he tried to trade Cutler, or some variation of that. I think refusals to clarify something like that mean that the person did it and doesn't want to admit it, but YMMV.

It seems like what the public hears and what goes on behind closed doors is expected to be 2 different things...McDaniels being evasive to the media in now way means he has lied to Cutler. That tact is used ALL THE TIME.

Lets stop saying Cutler was lied too unless someone can provide a link that actually says so.

Well, it may be a lot of things, but tact it ain't.

Call it what you will, It happens every day in the NFL, with teams, players, agents, and the media... the media does it the most...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think the Carolina angle is the most interesting. I know NE is in a bid to get Peppers, but what about a Cutler/Scheffler for Peppers/Delhomme (+ maybe the appropriate draft picks swap)? CAR gets its next franchise QB and an established QB-TE hookup, and DEN dramatically improves its achilles' heel defense while maintaining a veteran presence @ QB. Why not?

it's an interesting trade, but i see 2 problems:1-i can't imagine there's any way that the broncos would trade cutler to a team that could win the SB (that's why the lions make sense to me).2-i don't think the broncos would care about getting delhomme back. it'd be easier to just sign garcia.

1. If the Broncos do trade him, I would imagine simply not having him in the AFC would be good enough2. You are right, but I know a few Panther fans that would love to get rid of Jake.

Did I hear someone say my name? :X

 

[Rockchild]

McDaniels turned a guy that had never played a game since HS into a solid NFL QB.

I wouldn't be surprised if he could do the same with a much more talented, yet flawed QB in Matt Leniert.

He also had 3 years with very little pressure to turn this guy into a solid QB...for one season so far. The jury is still out on this QB.He has a talented QB there already but circumstances, with both sides guilty, have complicated the relationship to where all this speculation about who will be the new QB has arisen.

 

[massraider]

McDaniels turned a guy that had never played a game since HS into a solid NFL QB.

I wouldn't be surprised if he could do the same with a much more talented, yet flawed QB in Matt Leniert.

We have zero evidence of this.

 

[fatness]

New Broncos coach Josh McDaniels met with his team for the first time this morning as a group and addressed his ongoing feud with quarterback Jay Cutler, who did not attend the meeting and has asked to be traded.

"He said, "I'll take care of it,' and that's pretty much it," said defensive lineman Kenny Peterson.

Veteran cornerback Andre' Goodman, recently signed as a free agent, said McDaniels asked the players not to talk about what he said in the meeting about Cutler.

McDaniels told The Denver Post Sunday night that he wants to talk to Cutler further before considering a trade.

"I would like to talk to Jay before we go on and start to discuss some other type of alternative," McDaniels said. "In the last couple weeks, we've been all about trying to communicate and resolve his unhappiness with what happened — which we understand — and that's been our direction."

Denver Post

 

[Finless]

Cutler should know business is business, especially during the off-season. The goal of the coach is to put a winning team on the field and win games. Does Cutler think McDaniels was just picking on him and didn't think he was trying to improve the team? This isn't the first time something like this has happened. Cutler should have minded his own business and replied to the media with the canned response "It's a business I understand that. I just want to throw the ball around and win games". That would have been the end of it. Instead he wants to act as if he's the one of the best QBs in the history of the game. That he somehow has earned the right over years of leading his team to victories and Super Bowls to voice his opinion and discuss the affairs of the team as a whole. What a joke. He's a kid.

Dude is a whiner. He should have kept his trap shut. Maybe McDaniels saw this in Cutler. Lets take a look at the list of guys who "demand trades". They're always trouble makers. Then look at the guys who end up on the block and keep their mouths shut. If I was a GM thinking about Cutler his stock just dropped...big time.

 

[massraider]

Cutler should know business is business, especially during the off-season. The goal of the coach is to put a winning team on the field and win games. Does Cutler think McDaniels was just picking on him and didn't think he was trying to improve the team? This isn't the first time something like this has happened. Cutler should have minded his own business and replied to the media with the canned response "It's a business I understand that. I just want to throw the ball around and win games". That would have been the end of it. Instead he wants to act as if he's the one of the best QBs in the history of the game. That he somehow has earned the right over years of leading his team to victories and Super Bowls to voice his opinion and discuss the affairs of the team as a whole. What a joke. He's a kid.

Dude is a whiner. He should have kept his trap shut. Maybe McDaniels saw this in Cutler. Lets take a look at the list of guys who "demand trades". They're always trouble makers. Then look at the guys who end up on the block and keep their mouths shut. If I was a GM thinking about Cutler his stock just dropped...big time.

Ummm, this is his business. This is about who is playing QB for the Broncos this year. Jay Cutler held that job last year. I can't blame him for sticking his nose in here. Players that keep their trap shut don't get traded. You make your unhappiness known, that's how you get traded.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

LOL, I think you know that's impossible. Sometimes you have to read between the lines and when I do that, I get that he lied to Cutler. There was a link in which McDaniels refused to say whether or not he tried to trade Cutler, or some variation of that. I think refusals to clarify something like that mean that the person did it and doesn't want to admit it, but YMMV.

It seems like what the public hears and what goes on behind closed doors is expected to be 2 different things...McDaniels being evasive to the media in now way means he has lied to Cutler. That tact is used ALL THE TIME.Lets stop saying Cutler was lied too unless someone can provide a link that actually says so.

Sorry, I think he was lied to based on all the quotes and stories that have come out. You choose not to think that.

 

[Finless]

Cutler should know business is business, especially during the off-season. The goal of the coach is to put a winning team on the field and win games. Does Cutler think McDaniels was just picking on him and didn't think he was trying to improve the team? This isn't the first time something like this has happened. Cutler should have minded his own business and replied to the media with the canned response "It's a business I understand that. I just want to throw the ball around and win games". That would have been the end of it. Instead he wants to act as if he's the one of the best QBs in the history of the game. That he somehow has earned the right over years of leading his team to victories and Super Bowls to voice his opinion and discuss the affairs of the team as a whole. What a joke. He's a kid.

Dude is a whiner. He should have kept his trap shut. Maybe McDaniels saw this in Cutler. Lets take a look at the list of guys who "demand trades". They're always trouble makers. Then look at the guys who end up on the block and keep their mouths shut. If I was a GM thinking about Cutler his stock just dropped...big time.

Ummm, this is his business. This is about who is playing QB for the Broncos this year. Jay Cutler held that job last year. I can't blame him for sticking his nose in here. Players that keep their trap shut don't get traded. You make your unhappiness known, that's how you get traded.

He's being stubborn. Making a statement. I don't let things like this happen to ME and stick around. I'M JAY CUTLER GOSH DARN IT! If he was smart he would have been quiet about it. Do you think he's gaining the respect of any coaches or GMs out there? He being stubborn and it's going to bit him in the ###...or the wallet.eta

And when I say "quiet about it", I mean he could have talked to ownership without skipping meetings and making things public.

 

[moleculo]

an interesting post from Orangemane (Bronco homer message board) below. FYI: Dave Logan is the voice of the Broncos - he does the radio play by play, and therefore should be pretty close to the situation. Probably as close to first hand info as we will see.

Listening to Dave Logan on KOA. In the first hour he gave some comments and then had Adam Schefter on in the 2nd hour.

First Logan's comments:

Logan did say he talked to McDaniels 1/2 hour before the show. Logan said it is his opinion that it is "85/15" that Cutler does not play with the Broncos this year. He said this isn't what McDaniels told him - just Logan's opinion of the situation.

This is different than what was being reported on KOA this morning, where it was reported that Logan thought Cutler would be with the broncos qb this year.

Logan said that Cutler spent 10 days with the Broncos learning the new system last month. Two Fridays ago Cutler came to the Broncos office to talk to McDaniels, and McDaniels was on the phone. Cutler waited 30 to 40 minutes to talk to Josh and finally gave up and left, saying he'd catch up with Josh on Monday. That weekend the whole Cassell mess happened.

Logan also said "in all the years i have dealt with the nfl, both as a player and a broadcaster, Jay is the most head strong, stubborn guy I have ever been around." Logan said in his pregame show before the 1st san diego game he asked cutler about his feud with philip rivers the year before. Logan said he gave cutler an out, saying "you probably don't want to talk about this but I have to ask, any ill feelings between you and Rivers?" Cutler said "no no no it's ok to ask - it's not over and it'll never be over between me and Rivers!". This was told as an example of how Cutler holds a grudges. Logan thinks that Cutler feels McDaniels just doesn't want Jay as the qb.



Logan said current staff looks at jay cutler and sees a good qb, not necessarily a franchise qb. "I don't think the current staff is certain that Cutler is the guy to lead the broncos in the future."

Logan said the team needs to find a resolution in the next week or so or the broncos will try to move Cutler.

Now some of you may say Logan is just a broadcaster so his opinion doesn't matter much. But he does have good contacts into the organization, he gave these opinions right after talking to Josh McDaniels, so I put alot of stock in what he says. Logan was careful not to share what he and McDaniels talked about, but still after that call it was Logan's opinion "85/15 chance Cutler is gone"

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Then Logan had Adam Schefter on. Schefter didn't say anything too revealing except this:

"The shelf life of this story runs through the nfl draft. Lets say the broncos don't deal him by the nfl draft, then he's not getting traded. The focus will then shift to the relationship between these two men. Whether they can get to that point is a different issue.

You are going to hear from now to the nfl draft what the broncos options are, what they can get for Cutler, etc.

Teams are out there sniffing and putting together packages - I know that, this is not even a guess. Is there a team out there that can put together an attractive enough package to make denver bite? - that's the question.

The problem is that the teams that need qb's don't have qb's - Denver will not be getting a qb in return. Who are the broncos taking into the season as starting qb?"

Schefter concluded by saying "all (trade) options are now in play. I

wouldn't have said that a week ago."

 

[Ghost Rider]

Management has also embarked on completely changing the system you work in, which had been highly successful.

17-20 is "highly successful"????

The Broncos offense is a system that has been highly successful for them over the past 14 years. In those 14 years, they have ranked in the top 10 in total offense 10 times, and the top 10 in scoring 10 times. To raise the bar, they have finished in the top 5 in total offense 9 times, and the top 5 in scoring 4 times. I would call that highly successful.

Cutler has played in Denver for 14 years?

No one said that he had. The comment was that he has been playing in a system that has been successful, and I simply pointed out how that system had been used in Denver for 14 years, the entire time Shanahan was the head coach.

Cutler being 17-15 the last two years with two of the worst defenses in the NFL is not a knock on him, it's more of a testement. Here are the records of the teams with the worst total defense rankings the last two years:0-162-148-8 (Denver 2008)2-147-93-131-154-129-7 (Denver 2007)As you can see, the ONLY teams that finished .500 with defenses ranked that lowly the last two years were each of the two Denver teams. Without Cutler the Broncos could easily be closer to the 2-14 teams than the 9-7/8-8 teams they had.Cutler's win percentage when the defense allows less than 23pts is better than Ben Roethlisberger's, and his win percentage when the defense allows 23-39 points is better than Ben Roethlisberger's. He just plays a lot higher percentage of his games in that second category than the first thanks to his defense (not to mention the games where the D gave up 40+). Now I'm not trying to argue that Cutler is a better QB than Roethlisberger in here by any means, but it's amazing how much a defense can change people's perception of how good or bad a QB is.With Cutler at the helm, the Broncos are 12-1 when the defense allows less than 23 points. 23! It's not his fault that teams are typically scoring 30+ against them.

(although Denver was 7-9 in '07, not 9-7)

 

[cstu]

Cutler should know business is business, especially during the off-season. The goal of the coach is to put a winning team on the field and win games. Does Cutler think McDaniels was just picking on him and didn't think he was trying to improve the team? This isn't the first time something like this has happened. Cutler should have minded his own business and replied to the media with the canned response "It's a business I understand that. I just want to throw the ball around and win games". That would have been the end of it. Instead he wants to act as if he's the one of the best QBs in the history of the game. That he somehow has earned the right over years of leading his team to victories and Super Bowls to voice his opinion and discuss the affairs of the team as a whole. What a joke. He's a kid.

Dude is a whiner. He should have kept his trap shut. Maybe McDaniels saw this in Cutler. Lets take a look at the list of guys who "demand trades". They're always trouble makers. Then look at the guys who end up on the block and keep their mouths shut. If I was a GM thinking about Cutler his stock just dropped...big time.

Elway? Eli?

 

[msommer]

Cutler should know business is business, especially during the off-season. The goal of the coach is to put a winning team on the field and win games. Does Cutler think McDaniels was just picking on him and didn't think he was trying to improve the team? This isn't the first time something like this has happened. Cutler should have minded his own business and replied to the media with the canned response "It's a business I understand that. I just want to throw the ball around and win games". That would have been the end of it. Instead he wants to act as if he's the one of the best QBs in the history of the game. That he somehow has earned the right over years of leading his team to victories and Super Bowls to voice his opinion and discuss the affairs of the team as a whole. What a joke. He's a kid.

Dude is a whiner. He should have kept his trap shut. Maybe McDaniels saw this in Cutler. Lets take a look at the list of guys who "demand trades". They're always trouble makers. Then look at the guys who end up on the block and keep their mouths shut. If I was a GM thinking about Cutler his stock just dropped...big time.

Elway? Eli?

(Young) Favre?

 

[simey]

2. You are right, but I know a few Panther fans that would love to get rid of Jake.

I'm not one of them. I think the Panthers need to start looking for someone to learn behind Jake, but I will take Jake and his great leadership skills and older arm over Jay Cutler and his immature behavior any day. Cutler won't be a Panther. He isn't the type of person Richardson, Hurney, and Fox seek to lead their team.

 

[Knight who says Ni]

It would be hilarious to see them trade Cutler for Tomlinson - that way Jay has to back up his good buddy Rivers ...

 

[Banger]

2. You are right, but I know a few Panther fans that would love to get rid of Jake.

I'm not one of them. I think the Panthers need to start looking for someone to learn behind Jake, but I will take Jake and his great leadership skills and older arm over Jay Cutler and his immature behavior any day. Cutler won't be a Panther. He isn't the type of person Richardson, tjtHurney, and Fox seek to lead their team.

All this leadership stuff is too much. Has there been any indication from his prior coach, teammates, anyone, that Cutler has leadership issues? I've been following him very closely since he was drafted (and prior to that) and have never heard anything of the sort from any source, in fact I've read a number of things to the contrary. Now all the sudden a new coach comes in and makes an absolute mess and Cutler doesn't trust or want to play for that coach and now he has leadership issues? Delhomme isn't in Cutlers league in terms of QB abilities.

 

[simey]

2. You are right, but I know a few Panther fans that would love to get rid of Jake.

I'm not one of them. I think the Panthers need to start looking for someone to learn behind Jake, but I will take Jake and his great leadership skills and older arm over Jay Cutler and his immature behavior any day. Cutler won't be a Panther. He isn't the type of person Richardson, tjtHurney, and Fox seek to lead their team.

All this leadership stuff is too much. Has there been any indication from his prior coach, teammates, anyone, that Cutler has leadership issues? I've been following him very closely since he was drafted (and prior to that) and have never heard anything of the sort from any source, in fact I've read a number of things to the contrary. Now all the sudden a new coach comes in and makes an absolute mess and Cutler doesn't trust or want to play for that coach and now he has leadership issues? Delhomme isn't in Cutlers league in terms of QB abilities.

Cutler isn't in Delhomme's league in terms of being a solid mature person or a leader, and someone who doesn't bad mouth other players in the league or the organization you work for.

 

[BassNBrew]

It would be hilarious to see them trade Cutler for Tomlinson - that way Jay has to back up his good buddy Rivers ...

You think this has any chance of happening or did you post this for another reason?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

LOL, I think you know that's impossible. Sometimes you have to read between the lines and when I do that, I get that he lied to Cutler. There was a link in which McDaniels refused to say whether or not he tried to trade Cutler, or some variation of that. I think refusals to clarify something like that mean that the person did it and doesn't want to admit it, but YMMV.

It seems like what the public hears and what goes on behind closed doors is expected to be 2 different things...McDaniels being evasive to the media in now way means he has lied to Cutler. That tact is used ALL THE TIME.Lets stop saying Cutler was lied too unless someone can provide a link that actually says so.

Sorry, I think he was lied to based on all the quotes and stories that have come out. You choose not to think that.

I'm just looking for one credible link... I know it has been said a thousand times in this thread, but all it seems to take for some of the sheep around here is to read it in a post. I'd just like to see where it's coming from. I haven't seen a credible source say "McDaniels lied to Cutler". I've seen plenty that would indicate he was shopping Cutler without his knowledge but thats as far as it goes. Everything else has been spin.....

 

[Banger]

LOL, I think you know that's impossible. Sometimes you have to read between the lines and when I do that, I get that he lied to Cutler. There was a link in which McDaniels refused to say whether or not he tried to trade Cutler, or some variation of that. I think refusals to clarify something like that mean that the person did it and doesn't want to admit it, but YMMV.

It seems like what the public hears and what goes on behind closed doors is expected to be 2 different things...McDaniels being evasive to the media in now way means he has lied to Cutler. That tact is used ALL THE TIME.Lets stop saying Cutler was lied too unless someone can provide a link that actually says so.

Sorry, I think he was lied to based on all the quotes and stories that have come out. You choose not to think that.

I'm just looking for one credible link... I know it has been said a thousand times in this thread, but all it seems to take for some of the sheep around here is to read it in a post. I'd just like to see where it's coming from. I haven't seen a credible source say "McDaniels lied to Cutler". I've seen plenty that would indicate he was shopping Cutler without his knowledge but thats as far as it goes. Everything else has been spin.....

it's kind of hard to get a link to a private conversation between 2 people. All you can do is look at the result of the meeting and Cutler's actions and what he's saying since the meeting.

 

[gianmarco]

It seems like what the public hears and what goes on behind closed doors is expected to be 2 different things...

McDaniels being evasive to the media in now way means he has lied to Cutler. That tact is used ALL THE TIME.

Lets stop saying Cutler was lied too unless someone can provide a link that actually says so.

Sorry, I think he was lied to based on all the quotes and stories that have come out. You choose not to think that.

I'm just looking for one credible link... I know it has been said a thousand times in this thread, but all it seems to take for some of the sheep around here is to read it in a post. I'd just like to see where it's coming from. I haven't seen a credible source say "McDaniels lied to Cutler". I've seen plenty that would indicate he was shopping Cutler without his knowledge but thats as far as it goes. Everything else has been spin.....

Cutler/McDaniels

"I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco," Cutler said. "We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy. He admitted he wanted Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a quarterback.

When you "admit" something, it's usually because you were not forthcoming to begin with. That's the whole point of "admitting".Another Cutler/McDaniels link

And today, the Denver Post's Mike Klis writes that there's more. (Of course there is.)

[Cutler] will meet with McDaniels next week, the team announced Tuesday.

According to a source close to Cutler, the quarterback is not upset because McDaniels tried to trade him last week to Tampa Bay in a three-team deal that would have brought quarterback Matt Cassel to Denver. He's upset because he doesn't believe McDaniels' claim [that] the trade proposal was initiated by other clubs.

Now, no one is saying it's a FACT that McDaniels was the instigator in the trade talks. However, NO ONE except a few closely involved knows the truth to this. Some are believing the Denver side in that they simply fielded calls and Cutler is overreacting. Others, such as myself, believe that McDaniels DID try to instigate the trade talks and then denied that fact to Cutler. Regardless of who is right, this is what JAY CUTLER believes, at least so he says. But, that's all we have to go by.So no, it's not just a post here and sheep flocking to that idea. This is what Jay has been saying in his interviews and I happen to believe that's how it went down. I think McDaniels did more than just field phone calls and then tried to cover that part up. And I didn't get that opinion from what I read on these boards.

At this point, it's nothing more than he-said, she-said in a your-word-against-mine battle of Cutler vs. McDaniels. Cutler says he did, McDaniels said he didn't. You're asking for one credible link that proves McDaniels lied to Cutler. I'll ask you for one credible link that proves he didn't. One doesn't exist on either side or this debate would be over and we'd know who is telling the truth. As of right now, we don't know who is telling the truth, but the idea that Cutler was lied to was not instigated on this forum. It's come straight from Cutler's mouth in several interviews. Given the course of actions so far and McDaniels handling of the situation, I think it's the more common sense explanation. You don't have to agree.

 

[Billsfan1969]

I just heard that his agen Buss Cook was in Buffalo over the weekend. Could Cutler become the next Buffalo Bill? This would be a real big trade if he does.

Keep your eyes on this situation.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

LOL, I think you know that's impossible. Sometimes you have to read between the lines and when I do that, I get that he lied to Cutler. There was a link in which McDaniels refused to say whether or not he tried to trade Cutler, or some variation of that. I think refusals to clarify something like that mean that the person did it and doesn't want to admit it, but YMMV.

It seems like what the public hears and what goes on behind closed doors is expected to be 2 different things...McDaniels being evasive to the media in now way means he has lied to Cutler. That tact is used ALL THE TIME.

Lets stop saying Cutler was lied too unless someone can provide a link that actually says so.

Sorry, I think he was lied to based on all the quotes and stories that have come out. You choose not to think that.

I'm just looking for one credible link... I know it has been said a thousand times in this thread, but all it seems to take for some of the sheep around here is to read it in a post. I'd just like to see where it's coming from. I haven't seen a credible source say "McDaniels lied to Cutler". I've seen plenty that would indicate he was shopping Cutler without his knowledge but thats as far as it goes. Everything else has been spin.....

The HEADLINE of this story on ESPN is "Cutler says he can't trust McDaniels".http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

There have been many other reports out there with similar details. Cutler says McDaniels lied to him. Whether you believe Cutler or not is up to you, but I think it's fairly obvious that CUTLER believes it.

What are you looking for? I deposition from McDaniels asserting "I lied to Jay Cutler."? You aren't going to get it, or anything like it. All you are going to get is what McDaniels is saying to the press (which isn't much), and what Cutler/Cook are saying to the press. That's all you ever get in situations like this. Demanding a "link" is just silly.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Cutler/McDaniels

"I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco," Cutler said. "We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy. He admitted he wanted Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a quarterback.

When you "admit" something, it's usually because you were not forthcoming to begin with. That's the whole point of "admitting".Another Cutler/McDaniels link

And today, the Denver Post's Mike Klis writes that there's more. (Of course there is.)

[Cutler] will meet with McDaniels next week, the team announced Tuesday.

According to a source close to Cutler, the quarterback is not upset because McDaniels tried to trade him last week to Tampa Bay in a three-team deal that would have brought quarterback Matt Cassel to Denver. He's upset because he doesn't believe McDaniels' claim [that] the trade proposal was initiated by other clubs.

Now, no one is saying it's a FACT that McDaniels was the instigator in the trade talks. However, NO ONE except a few closely involved knows the truth to this. Some are believing the Denver side in that they simply fielded calls and Cutler is overreacting. Others, such as myself, believe that McDaniels DID try to instigate the trade talks and then denied that fact to Cutler. Regardless of who is right, this is what JAY CUTLER believes, at least so he says. But, that's all we have to go by.So no, it's not just a post here and sheep flocking to that idea. This is what Jay has been saying in his interviews and I happen to believe that's how it went down. I think McDaniels did more than just field phone calls and then tried to cover that part up. And I didn't get that opinion from what I read on these boards.

Great post. The other thing I'll add, as I've said before, is that it isn't very much of a leap of faith to believe this account. It's a well known M.O. that coaches from the Parcells "tree" like to bring in their own guys when they get a new job. They've all done that, and Mangini is continuing that in CLE. On top of that, we've already seen McDaniels bring in other Patriots. So why is it so strange that he would have been the one to call around and try to work out a deal to get Cassel? I think it's almost certain that it happened that way. The mistake was then lying about it to Cutler and to the general public, as he continues to do, per the Peter King interview. Given some of the negatives that we're starting to hear about Cutler, outside of this situation, it might have been a reasonable thing to do and Bowlen might well have approved. But once you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, you have to come clean.

 

[Jason Wood]

McDaniels turned a guy that had never played a game since HS into a solid NFL QB.I wouldn't be surprised if he could do the same with a much more talented, yet flawed QB in Matt Leniert.

Let's be careful with selective memory here. The Patriots turned Matt Cassel into a successful NFL QB last year. I think based on what we've seen of Belichick's assistants when they leave the nest, McDaniels has a LOT to prove before any of us should heap much responsibility for any of the Pats' success on his shoulders. I also think we should wait and see how Cassel plays outside of New England before we label him a "solid NFL QB."To my mind what Cassel did last year was surprising and impressive. And I certainly can't rule out McDaniels having NFL success. But it's way too early to extrapolate 2008 into 2009 and beyond given the vastly different variables at play.

 

[renesauz]

McDaniels turned a guy that had never played a game since HS into a solid NFL QB.

I wouldn't be surprised if he could do the same with a much more talented, yet flawed QB in Matt Leniert.

Let's be careful with selective memory here. The Patriots turned Matt Cassel into a successful NFL QB last year. I think based on what we've seen of Belichick's assistants when they leave the nest, McDaniels has a LOT to prove before any of us should heap much responsibility for any of the Pats' success on his shoulders. I also think we should wait and see how Cassel plays outside of New England before we label him a "solid NFL QB."To my mind what Cassel did last year was surprising and impressive. And I certainly can't rule out McDaniels having NFL success. But it's way too early to extrapolate 2008 into 2009 and beyond given the vastly different variables at play.

Let's ALSO not forget that Cassel backed up two Heismann trophy winners in college and the guy many (most?) consider the best QB in the NFL. It's entirely possible that he was always as good as he looked last year and simply never had the chance. IE: Cassel may very well have helped make McDaniels look good, not the other way around!

 

[twitch]

This is one of the more pitiful stories Ive heard in a long, long time. Cutler is making TO look like a model of maturity at this stage. Cry me a freakin' river. What a cry baby. "Whaaa. I cant trust my coach any more. Somebody give me a new deal with $30mil extra guaranteed before I call my mommy". Weak. The guy is weak. What GOOD team wants that guy QBing their franchise?

 

[ScottyFargo]

This is one of the more pitiful stories Ive heard in a long, long time. Cutler is making TO look like a model of maturity at this stage. Cry me a freakin' river. What a cry baby. "Whaaa. I cant trust my coach any more. Somebody give me a new deal with $30mil extra guaranteed before I call my mommy". Weak. The guy is weak. What GOOD team wants that guy QBing their franchise?

I think Cutler's doing the right thing. He's looking out for himself, and what's more, how idiotic would Denver be to trade him away instead of placating him somehow? They are in control, and if they deal him it shows they botched this thing, not Cutler.

 

[twitch]

This is one of the more pitiful stories Ive heard in a long, long time. Cutler is making TO look like a model of maturity at this stage. Cry me a freakin' river. What a cry baby. "Whaaa. I cant trust my coach any more. Somebody give me a new deal with $30mil extra guaranteed before I call my mommy". Weak. The guy is weak. What GOOD team wants that guy QBing their franchise?

I think Cutler's doing the right thing. He's looking out for himself, and what's more, how idiotic would Denver be to trade him away instead of placating him somehow? They are in control, and if they deal him it shows they botched this thing, not Cutler.

I think the one real asset benefitting Denver in this situation is actually Bowlens's patience. I mean, obviously the man wants to win. He's seen his team play in several SBs. He's a winner and a great owner. But when he cut loose Shanahan, he was signing on for a re-building basically. He may just be willing to sit on Cutler until the maximum deal is presented. And if that doesnt happen, I wonder if he'd be willing to just call Cutler's bluff and make him stew all year. Pick up Leftwich or another vet, ride the season out and make the most of it, and look to add Bradford, McCoy or Tebow next year. Just a thought. Cutler's crapped on the wrong guy right now in Bowlen, though. Worst thing he could have possibly done.

 

[Banger]

Cutler's crapped on the wrong guy right now in Bowlen, though. Worst thing he could have possibly done.

I'm not sure I understand why.

 

[moleculo]

Cutler's crapped on the wrong guy right now in Bowlen, though. Worst thing he could have possibly done.

I'm not sure I understand why.

because Bowlen is the only guy who could direct McDaniels to play nice? If Bowlen is on Cutlers side, this may play out differently.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Patriots fans are an interesting bunch...at least the ones in this thread.

Remember guys, this is just business...Cutler is merely playing with the cards McDaniels and the Broncos dealt him. The kid has a smart agent...Cutler isn't looking perfect through all this but he's coming through a lot cleaner than if he'd held out and whined about his contract and he probably has a better chance to hit the jackpot.

If I were a young qb I'd certainly think about making Bus my agent.

 

[Jason Wood]

I don't want to pigeonhole any set of posters as everyone has their own views worth sharing.

But certainly if you're a Broncos fan, and by chance are on McDaniels' side. Can I ask you if you were an Elway fan?

*** John Elway's career passer rating = 79.9

*** John Elway refused to play for the Colts in spite of being drafted 1st overall by them. He demanded a trade rather than accepting it was a "business"

Point being, it gets back to what I said a few pages ago. History will write who was right and wrong in this debacle. Broncos fans universally forgave Elway's immature selfishness and also seemingly forgot how maddeningly uneven his play was at times.

 

[Phurfur]

Cutler is just another athlete who thinks he is bigger than the organization. You can't let the inmates run the asylum.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

because Bowlen is the only guy who could direct McDaniels to play nice? If Bowlen is on Cutlers side, this may play out differently.

That seems to be contrary since the front office was involved in trade discussions with Cutler. It would make sense that the Broncos front office had discussions with Bowlen (prior to talks w/ TB and NE) since it would involve players/contracts/draft picks and would not have gone anywhere if there were any red flags involving Cutler.

 

[twistd]

This is one of the more pitiful stories Ive heard in a long, long time. Cutler is making TO look like a model of maturity at this stage. Cry me a freakin' river. What a cry baby. "Whaaa. I cant trust my coach any more. Somebody give me a new deal with $30mil extra guaranteed before I call my mommy". Weak. The guy is weak. What GOOD team wants that guy QBing their franchise?

The Bears, and this Bear Fan.

 

[Banger]

This is one of the more pitiful stories Ive heard in a long, long time. Cutler is making TO look like a model of maturity at this stage. Cry me a freakin' river. What a cry baby. "Whaaa. I cant trust my coach any more. Somebody give me a new deal with $30mil extra guaranteed before I call my mommy". Weak. The guy is weak. What GOOD team wants that guy QBing their franchise?

The Bears, and this Bear Fan.

The Vikings, Tampa, Jets, Dolphins, Carolina,.....

 

[Ghost Rider]

McDaniels turned a guy that had never played a game since HS into a solid NFL QB.I wouldn't be surprised if he could do the same with a much more talented, yet flawed QB in Matt Leniert.

Let's be careful with selective memory here. The Patriots turned Matt Cassel into a successful NFL QB last year. I think based on what we've seen of Belichick's assistants when they leave the nest, McDaniels has a LOT to prove before any of us should heap much responsibility for any of the Pats' success on his shoulders. I also think we should wait and see how Cassel plays outside of New England before we label him a "solid NFL QB."To my mind what Cassel did last year was surprising and impressive. And I certainly can't rule out McDaniels having NFL success. But it's way too early to extrapolate 2008 into 2009 and beyond given the vastly different variables at play.

You are absolutely correct. I think many are forgetting how awful Cassel was at the beginning of the season. Yes, he got better as the season went on, but I never watched him and play and thought, "Man, this guy is good." He became a QB who was capable of putting up halfway decent numbers in an offense that was the greatest ever the previous season with a great QB. It was a great situation he walked into last season, but there were no expectations for him at all. Things will be different in KC where he will be the big money QB expected to do well. I think he has Scott Mitchell written all over him. Time will tell.

 

[omally]

2. You are right, but I know a few Panther fans that would love to get rid of Jake.

I'm not one of them. I think the Panthers need to start looking for someone to learn behind Jake, but I will take Jake and his great leadership skills and older arm over Jay Cutler and his immature behavior any day. Cutler won't be a Panther. He isn't the type of person Richardson, tjtHurney, and Fox seek to lead their team.

All this leadership stuff is too much. Has there been any indication from his prior coach, teammates, anyone, that Cutler has leadership issues? I've been following him very closely since he was drafted (and prior to that) and have never heard anything of the sort from any source, in fact I've read a number of things to the contrary. Now all the sudden a new coach comes in and makes an absolute mess and Cutler doesn't trust or want to play for that coach and now he has leadership issues? Delhomme isn't in Cutlers league in terms of QB abilities.

Delhomme, who wasn't even drafted, led the Panthers to the Super Bowl his first year as a starting QB. He has led them to two NFC Championship games, and to the playoffs 3 seasons. It more than likely would have been more than that if Carolina hadn't been stricken with so many injuries over the last several years. Delhomme is several years older than Cutler now, and has had major surgery to his throwing arm, so of course Cutler is better than Delhomme in QB abilities, and Delhomme has never had a throwing arm like Cutler, but he has always had the ability to make the Panthers believe they can win. Cutler is nothing close to being the leader that Delhomme is. I also can't imagine Delhomme ever saying that he has a better arm than another QB in the NFL, and especially one that was so popular in the same organization. I can't imagine Delhomme putting down another player in the NFL let alone saying it to the press. I can't imagine Delhomme throwing a complete fit about anything related to the Panthers and their decisions. He certainly gets fiery on the field sometimes with the refs calls, but he never disrespects players or coaches, and he always takes accountability for things that go wrong. He might not be at the peak of his career anymore, but he is still a class act.

 

[twitch]

This is one of the more pitiful stories Ive heard in a long, long time. Cutler is making TO look like a model of maturity at this stage. Cry me a freakin' river. What a cry baby. "Whaaa. I cant trust my coach any more. Somebody give me a new deal with $30mil extra guaranteed before I call my mommy". Weak. The guy is weak. What GOOD team wants that guy QBing their franchise?

The Bears, and this Bear Fan.

The Vikings, Tampa, Jets, Dolphins, Carolina,.....

Is it me, or am I not seeing any of those teams lining up for that knucklehead right now? Someone really thinks Parcells wants any part of that nightmare? No. And Cutler with that thin skin in NY?? Following the Favre nightmare? Are you serious? MN obviously seems willing to settle with their situation. I'll scratch them off as well. Tampa and Carolina make sense, but Carolina doesnt have a 1st. Tampa? Somebody make that call. Chicago makes more sense than any of these teams. I agree with the Bears fan, here. And I didnt mean to insult your franchise, but I wasnt thinking Chicago when I posed that question.

 

[thatguythere]

2. You are right, but I know a few Panther fans that would love to get rid of Jake.

I'm not one of them. I think the Panthers need to start looking for someone to learn behind Jake, but I will take Jake and his great leadership skills and older arm over Jay Cutler and his immature behavior any day. Cutler won't be a Panther. He isn't the type of person Richardson, tjtHurney, and Fox seek to lead their team.

All this leadership stuff is too much. Has there been any indication from his prior coach, teammates, anyone, that Cutler has leadership issues? I've been following him very closely since he was drafted (and prior to that) and have never heard anything of the sort from any source, in fact I've read a number of things to the contrary. Now all the sudden a new coach comes in and makes an absolute mess and Cutler doesn't trust or want to play for that coach and now he has leadership issues? Delhomme isn't in Cutlers league in terms of QB abilities.

Exactly. Why did his teammates vote him as a Team Captain if they didn't think he was a leader?

 

[Banger]

2. You are right, but I know a few Panther fans that would love to get rid of Jake.

I'm not one of them. I think the Panthers need to start looking for someone to learn behind Jake, but I will take Jake and his great leadership skills and older arm over Jay Cutler and his immature behavior any day. Cutler won't be a Panther. He isn't the type of person Richardson, tjtHurney, and Fox seek to lead their team.

All this leadership stuff is too much. Has there been any indication from his prior coach, teammates, anyone, that Cutler has leadership issues? I've been following him very closely since he was drafted (and prior to that) and have never heard anything of the sort from any source, in fact I've read a number of things to the contrary. Now all the sudden a new coach comes in and makes an absolute mess and Cutler doesn't trust or want to play for that coach and now he has leadership issues? Delhomme isn't in Cutlers league in terms of QB abilities.

Delhomme, who wasn't even drafted, led the Panthers to the Super Bowl his first year as a starting QB. He has led them to two NFC Championship games, and to the playoffs 3 seasons. It more than likely would have been more than that if Carolina hadn't been stricken with so many injuries over the last several years. Delhomme is several years older than Cutler now, and has had major surgery to his throwing arm, so of course Cutler is better than Delhomme in QB abilities, and Delhomme has never had a throwing arm like Cutler, but he has always had the ability to make the Panthers believe they can win. Cutler is nothing close to being the leader that Delhomme is. I also can't imagine Delhomme ever saying that he has a better arm than another QB in the NFL, and especially one that was so popular in the same organization. I can't imagine Delhomme putting down another player in the NFL let alone saying it to the press. I can't imagine Delhomme throwing a complete fit about anything related to the Panthers and their decisions. He certainly gets fiery on the field sometimes with the refs calls, but he never disrespects players or coaches, and he always takes accountability for things that go wrong. He might not be at the peak of his career anymore, but he is still a class act.

I don't debate that Jake is a class act but I absolutely think Cutler could lead a team as good/better than Jake if he had the defense that the Panthers did those years.

 

[Banger]

This is one of the more pitiful stories Ive heard in a long, long time. Cutler is making TO look like a model of maturity at this stage. Cry me a freakin' river. What a cry baby. "Whaaa. I cant trust my coach any more. Somebody give me a new deal with $30mil extra guaranteed before I call my mommy". Weak. The guy is weak. What GOOD team wants that guy QBing their franchise?

The Bears, and this Bear Fan.

The Vikings, Tampa, Jets, Dolphins, Carolina,.....

Is it me, or am I not seeing any of those teams lining up for that knucklehead right now? Someone really thinks Parcells wants any part of that nightmare? No. And Cutler with that thin skin in NY?? Following the Favre nightmare? Are you serious? MN obviously seems willing to settle with their situation. I'll scratch them off as well. Tampa and Carolina make sense, but Carolina doesnt have a 1st. Tampa? Somebody make that call. Chicago makes more sense than any of these teams. I agree with the Bears fan, here. And I didnt mean to insult your franchise, but I wasnt thinking Chicago when I posed that question.

LOL, was he a knucklehead last year? If you think teams wouldn't line up for this kid you're mistaken. The NY radio stations were flipping out this morning at the thought that he was available.

 

[twitch]

2. You are right, but I know a few Panther fans that would love to get rid of Jake.

I'm not one of them. I think the Panthers need to start looking for someone to learn behind Jake, but I will take Jake and his great leadership skills and older arm over Jay Cutler and his immature behavior any day. Cutler won't be a Panther. He isn't the type of person Richardson, tjtHurney, and Fox seek to lead their team.

All this leadership stuff is too much. Has there been any indication from his prior coach, teammates, anyone, that Cutler has leadership issues? I've been following him very closely since he was drafted (and prior to that) and have never heard anything of the sort from any source, in fact I've read a number of things to the contrary. Now all the sudden a new coach comes in and makes an absolute mess and Cutler doesn't trust or want to play for that coach and now he has leadership issues? Delhomme isn't in Cutlers league in terms of QB abilities.

Exactly. Why did his teammates vote him as a Team Captain if they didn't think he was a leader?

And you know what? I kindof feel a little bad for those teammates right now. They respected that guy enough to make him a captain. And now, he's completely bailing on them. Some captain. Not much of a leader if you ask me.

 

[twitch]

This is one of the more pitiful stories Ive heard in a long, long time. Cutler is making TO look like a model of maturity at this stage. Cry me a freakin' river. What a cry baby. "Whaaa. I cant trust my coach any more. Somebody give me a new deal with $30mil extra guaranteed before I call my mommy". Weak. The guy is weak. What GOOD team wants that guy QBing their franchise?

The Bears, and this Bear Fan.

The Vikings, Tampa, Jets, Dolphins, Carolina,.....

Is it me, or am I not seeing any of those teams lining up for that knucklehead right now? Someone really thinks Parcells wants any part of that nightmare? No. And Cutler with that thin skin in NY?? Following the Favre nightmare? Are you serious? MN obviously seems willing to settle with their situation. I'll scratch them off as well. Tampa and Carolina make sense, but Carolina doesnt have a 1st. Tampa? Somebody make that call. Chicago makes more sense than any of these teams. I agree with the Bears fan, here. And I didnt mean to insult your franchise, but I wasnt thinking Chicago when I posed that question.

LOL, was he a knucklehead last year? If you think teams wouldn't line up for this kid you're mistaken. The NY radio stations were flipping out this morning at the thought that he was available.

Banger. New York talk radio?? Seriously? What do you think that desperate group of fans are gonna do? You dont think they did the exact same thing for Favre last year? Who cares what the fans on talk radio have to say? That's just hilarious.