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Dallas Clark, Top 10 TE this yr? (1 Viewer)

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He was easly having a career yr last yr before he got injuried.

In 12 games, he had 30 catches for 367 yds and 4 TDs.

I believe he can easly go 50+ recs this yr w/ 600+ and about 6TDs, with Stokely now gone and the rook learning the new system; Clark should steal some slot recs along with his usual totals.

 
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How can he EASILY go over the numbers you talk about when he has never done such a thing in his life. You are way too excited as a Dallas Clark owner and should temper your expectations. I think you would be lucky to see 40 receptions, 500 yards and 5 TD's.

 
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No TE has had 50 receptions since Manning came to Indy. Top 10 is realistic, but his upside is limited.

 
I was thinking yes until they took Anthony Gonzalez. Clark was getting fat on lining up in the slot while Indy had no viable option there, but now they do.

 
I was thinking yes until they took Anthony Gonzalez. Clark was getting fat on lining up in the slot while Indy had no viable option there, but now they do.
I initially felt the same way. However, Gonzalez is only a rookie. Is he really that NFL-ready? Will the Colts really throw Gonzalez out there as a rookie when they have a perfectly viable option in Clark? I don't know.
 
I was thinking yes until they took Anthony Gonzalez. Clark was getting fat on lining up in the slot while Indy had no viable option there, but now they do.
I initially felt the same way. However, Gonzalez is only a rookie. Is he really that NFL-ready? Will the Colts really throw Gonzalez out there as a rookie when they have a perfectly viable option in Clark? I don't know.
I think it's realistic to expect that Gonzalez will get more than the 8 receptions Stokely did in 2006.
 
There are games where Clark looks like a complete stud (see vs. Cincy last year) and he seems to tease a lot come playoff time. But then he just disappears into the lineup. It seems like it just depends on how Indy is going to run their offense on any given day. When they are content to dink and dunk down the field, Dallas is your man.

 
There are games where Clark looks like a complete stud (see vs. Cincy last year) and he seems to tease a lot come playoff time. But then he just disappears into the lineup. It seems like it just depends on how Indy is going to run their offense on any given day. When they are content to dink and dunk down the field, Dallas is your man.
Clark always has a couple of big games..then disappears for weeks on end.
 
I agree with most on here that Gonzalez has reduced Clark's potential.

Isn't Utecht still there to steal grabs also?

Top 20 TE, yes

Top 10, I wouldn't bet on it.

 
When they are content to dink and dunk down the field, Dallas is your man.
This is the way defenses have forcing the Colts to play. They play deep zone and prefer the slow death of completions underneath to allowing Marvin and Wayne get behind them.Clark can be a very clutch recieving option at times and I do think the 2TE set is a formation that helps thier running game (especialy thier favorite run the streach play) as well as helps Manning read the defensive coverage pre-snap when they use shifting and motion. The 2TE formation also makes the defense think again about going into nickle packages because of greater threat of the run.All of these things work in Clarks favor and Clark has proven very capable of taking advantage when the matchup dictates.Last season was an ideal situation for him in that the Colts really had no 3rd WR that was reliable to work with. The also were working in a rookie RB so pass protection was a greater concern this leading to more 2 TE sets. Clark (or another TE) staying in to block does not help his fantasy success however.I expected Clark to do much more with this situation last year than he did. He was injured again and missed 4 games (25% of the season). What he ultimatly achieved was 30 catches 367 yards and 4 TD for the year.But that only tells half of the story...In the playoffs no other reciever gained as many yards as Dallas Clark. Not Marvin, not Wayne, not some other reciever from another playoffs team. Dallas Clark. And really it was not even close.Clark gained 317 yards on 21 catches over 4 games including the super bowl in the playoffs. Yes friends that is averaging 79 yards/game over 4 games. What if the Colts used him in this way during the 4 games of the season that he missed due to injury?Clark could have had a season of 51 catches 771 yards 4 TD. That being said the Colts seem to save Clark like a secret weapon for the playoffs when games matter most. I think his performance was also a product of matchups. His 9 catch game against Kansas City shows the weakness of the cover 2 defense (which Dungy taught Edwards) against the TE down the seam. Clarks other big game came against the Patriots Big but slower inside linebackers. Another matchup to exploit for the Colts by using Clark.So is it possible that Clarks playoff performance will carry over into the regular season and other mismatches like this will be exploited by using him? I think it certainly is. And if Clark can stay healthy perhaps he will have his best season to date in year 5 of his career. That may even propel him into the top 10 for TEs. However I do not think the drafting of Gonzalez should be underestimated either. The Colts clearly like to diversify thier offense using combinational 2TE and 3WR sets to keep the defense off balance. Gonzalez is a decent blocker in his own right amoung the other skills that he has. So having him in 3WR sets may not be as much of a liability for the run game as you might think. Also Addai has a year of experience now and may be counted on more to pick up blitz packages than they could rely on him as a rookie. Thus freeing up more 3WR possibilities.I see OC Moore and Manning as very crafty game planners. Always looking to stay a step ahead of what defenses may try to force them to do. While defenses will probobly continue to try to make the Colts move down the field in shorter incriments using cover 2 and zone packages to bracket the outside WRs thus giving matchup advantages to Clark. These defenses will also be attacked using 3 or 4 WR packages as well. Gonzo allows them to do this again.As an aside I see Gonzo working out of the slot for now while eventualy being groomed to replace Marvin Harrison once Harrison decides to retire. That will take time. Both Marvin and Wayne have taken awhile to refine thier games with the Colts. Steadily improving each year until reaching elite levels of performance. I think Gonzalez is the type of player who can follow thier path to success.
 
When they are content to dink and dunk down the field, Dallas is your man.
This is the way defenses have forcing the Colts to play. They play deep zone and prefer the slow death of completions underneath to allowing Marvin and Wayne get behind them.Clark can be a very clutch recieving option at times and I do think the 2TE set is a formation that helps thier running game (especialy thier favorite run the streach play) as well as helps Manning read the defensive coverage pre-snap when they use shifting and motion. The 2TE formation also makes the defense think again about going into nickle packages because of greater threat of the run.All of these things work in Clarks favor and Clark has proven very capable of taking advantage when the matchup dictates.Last season was an ideal situation for him in that the Colts really had no 3rd WR that was reliable to work with. The also were working in a rookie RB so pass protection was a greater concern this leading to more 2 TE sets. Clark (or another TE) staying in to block does not help his fantasy success however.I expected Clark to do much more with this situation last year than he did. He was injured again and missed 4 games (25% of the season). What he ultimatly achieved was 30 catches 367 yards and 4 TD for the year.But that only tells half of the story...In the playoffs no other reciever gained as many yards as Dallas Clark. Not Marvin, not Wayne, not some other reciever from another playoffs team. Dallas Clark. And really it was not even close.Clark gained 317 yards on 21 catches over 4 games including the super bowl in the playoffs. Yes friends that is averaging 79 yards/game over 4 games. What if the Colts used him in this way during the 4 games of the season that he missed due to injury?Clark could have had a season of 51 catches 771 yards 4 TD. That being said the Colts seem to save Clark like a secret weapon for the playoffs when games matter most. I think his performance was also a product of matchups. His 9 catch game against Kansas City shows the weakness of the cover 2 defense (which Dungy taught Edwards) against the TE down the seam. Clarks other big game came against the Patriots Big but slower inside linebackers. Another matchup to exploit for the Colts by using Clark.So is it possible that Clarks playoff performance will carry over into the regular season and other mismatches like this will be exploited by using him? I think it certainly is. And if Clark can stay healthy perhaps he will have his best season to date in year 5 of his career. That may even propel him into the top 10 for TEs. However I do not think the drafting of Gonzalez should be underestimated either. The Colts clearly like to diversify thier offense using combinational 2TE and 3WR sets to keep the defense off balance. Gonzalez is a decent blocker in his own right amoung the other skills that he has. So having him in 3WR sets may not be as much of a liability for the run game as you might think. Also Addai has a year of experience now and may be counted on more to pick up blitz packages than they could rely on him as a rookie. Thus freeing up more 3WR possibilities.I see OC Moore and Manning as very crafty game planners. Always looking to stay a step ahead of what defenses may try to force them to do. While defenses will probobly continue to try to make the Colts move down the field in shorter incriments using cover 2 and zone packages to bracket the outside WRs thus giving matchup advantages to Clark. These defenses will also be attacked using 3 or 4 WR packages as well. Gonzo allows them to do this again.As an aside I see Gonzo working out of the slot for now while eventualy being groomed to replace Marvin Harrison once Harrison decides to retire. That will take time. Both Marvin and Wayne have taken awhile to refine thier games with the Colts. Steadily improving each year until reaching elite levels of performance. I think Gonzalez is the type of player who can follow thier path to success.
excellent post . . .
 
When they are content to dink and dunk down the field, Dallas is your man.
Last season was an ideal situation for him in that the Colts really had no 3rd WR that was reliable to work with.I think his performance was also a product of matchups.
Exactly! Everything else you said was valid, but these are the 2 key points! Also remember, the Pats added A. Thomas to help bolster their linebacking corps.I'd rather see AT trying to drop into coverage against Gonzalez than shutting down the Stretch Play.
 
I think the presence of the rookie Gonzalez in the slot will INCREASE Dallas Clark's opportunities. He's just got to stay un-concussed and injury free.

 
Utecht is the sleeper TE on the Colts. :excited:

The shark pool has been informed...again. :brandonjackson:

 
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Didn't Utecht and Fletcher see their playing time increase when Stokely and Proehl couldn't get the job done in the slot?
Yes, and let's not pretend Clark is an iron man. Utecht is a great late round TE flyer in deep leagues.
 
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I think the presence of the rookie Gonzalez in the slot will INCREASE Dallas Clark's opportunities. He's just got to stay un-concussed and injury free.
What makes you think this? Clark has NEVER had more than 5 TDs, even when Manning passed for 49 with a healthy Stokley running in the slot.This looks like an uninformed analysis to me. But, you are a Bears fan. :excited: This is like saying Kyle Orton is a better option than Rex Grossman for the Bears, right? ;)
 
Didn't Utecht and Fletcher see their playing time increase when Stokely and Proehl couldn't get the job done in the slot?
Yes, and let's not pretend Clark is an iron man. Utecht is a great late round TE flyer in deep leagues.
I think the TEs will ahve a tough time of it this season, but Utecht did outproduce Clark in catches and yards last season. He came on as a tough blocking TE with good hands.
 
No.

Gonzales and Moorehead make a nice 3 and 4 WR.

Utech is underrated as a TE and will cut into Clark's production.

Mark me down as a naysayer.

TE #12-16 numbers would exceed my expectations.

 
If healthy, mark me down for a big yes. But I'm an Iowa homer. I just think health has been the thing holding him back from being a very good producer at the TE position.

 
I was thinking yes until they took Anthony Gonzalez. Clark was getting fat on lining up in the slot while Indy had no viable option there, but now they do.
:banned: Exactly. When Stokely went down Indy had no R3, and couldn't find a suitable substitute R3, even begged Ricky Proehl out of retirement in desperation. Clark was essentially their R3 slot receiver in the playoffs.That won't happen again.
 
And yet they won a Super Bowl using this formation very successfully.

Why would you mess with something that helped you overcome a huge stigma, just because you draft a rookie. Add in the faith that Peyton will have in Dallas Clark.

Probably just top 10 but there is a chance for top 5 in a prolific passing attack. All matters what defences want to take away in any given week, will determine how Clark does from week to week

 
There is no real sleeper for TE on the Colts. The Colts have too many options on offense to start a TE consistently.

If you want a solid TE, look for teams that don't have so many options and look to their TE as one of their primary passing options.

 
Remember this post and I was blasted for it..... hes top 5 right now in PPR week 2 standings for TEs.

 
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Remember this post and I was blasted for it..... hes top 5 right now in PPR week 2 standings for TEs.
Uuum....it's week 2. Matt Spaeth is a top 10 TE at this point. Clark had a pretty big game yesterday, but week one he only had 2 catches. I wouldn't schedule the ticker tape parade just yet.I like Clark, I just think it's a bit premature to gloat.
 
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:fishing:How can he EASILY go over the numbers you talk about when he has never done such a thing in his life. You are way too excited as a Dallas Clark owner and should temper your expectations. I think you would be lucky to see 40 receptions, 500 yards and 5 TD's.
:goodposting: Wow boom goes the Dallas Clark Dynomite!!! What a bunch of crap! The guy has a good week on a team that spreads the balls more than Jenna Jameson and every gets a chubby! I guess I'm a week late to start the Jason Witten for MVP after one good week!!! Oh well I'll start this one early...Tony Gonzalez has a great week and has been nominated for an emmy for his role in sex in the city!!!40 catches and 500yds would be DC dream come true this year!!! :pokey: :sarcasm: :thanks:
 
Remember this post and I was blasted for it..... hes top 5 right now in PPR week 2 standings for TEs.
Uuum....it's week 2. Matt Spaeth is a top 10 TE at this point. Clark had a pretty big game yesterday, but week one he only had 2 catches. I wouldn't schedule the ticker tape parade just yet.I like Clark, I just think it's a bit premature to gloat.
Don't you know? After 1/8th of the season is over it's your legal responsibility to call everyone out that you can. The pool is pretty thin by week 16/17 so less people to brag about your genius pick about, especially if it crashed and burned by then.
 
Its a little quiet in this thread............ guess all the doubters went away.
:bag: Its week 2. Jordan is also the #1 RB
so you don't think Clark will be top 10 PPR TE this YR?
If he comes up with 600 yards and 5 TDs, he'll be in the top 10. It certainly seems like he'll manage that. But it doesn't really matter that much; what's interesting is whether he'll differentiate himself from the pack of TEs; only 24 points separated #12 and #6 last year. If he winds up in the pack of "not completely sucky TEs", your prediction will be right. Goody for you.
 
When healthy, Clark has the potential to be an easy Top 10 TE. In most instances, he will be matched up with a LB, which is a big time mismatch. I was able to waiver wire him in a couple of leagues with hopes of getting a TD out of him every 3 weeks or so...

 

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