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Damon Huard Named Starter in KC (1 Viewer)
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BusMan
Footballguy
This is more a statement about the lack of development in Croyle than it is an endorsement of Huard. The coaching staff wanted badly to have Croyle step up and win the job, but at this point he'd probably hurt the team more than help them. Huard is a safe option to manage their offense, but if losses come early and often, I think we'll see a quick switch to Croyle.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Huard as very good last season. He was more than a game mgr, his passes were accurate and he ran the team well.Their o line isn't as good but Huard needs to be given more credit than he has gotten.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
I wouldn't get too excited (or even a little excited) about this decision. Huard doesn't have the NFC West to pad his stats on this season. 8 of his 11 touchdowns came against the Rams,Seahawks,Cardinals,and Niners. Against everybody else he wasn't great.
I guess LJ's and Gonzo's value don't go in the toilet (which may be all that matters to most) with Huard at QB instead of Croyle. That's gotta be worth something.
I guess LJ's and Gonzo's value don't go in the toilet (which may be all that matters to most) with Huard at QB instead of Croyle. That's gotta be worth something.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/wordpress/?p=365Even after adjusting for strength of schedule, Huard ranked 3rd in the NFL last year in adjusted yards per pass. He was very effective, especially when you consider his weapons.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Major bump for LJ. The QB, Contract, 400 carry myth have all been put to rest. The "Running angry" argument is plain stupid. I see the only concern for him right now is the O-line, if that gels he's going to be a top tier super duper stud.
I think that's pretty accurate Irish.J
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exactly.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
As a jaded KC homer, I now adjust this seasons expectations from 5-11 to maybe 8-8 if Huard stays healthy and can produce at at least 80% of where he was at last season.
And the KC schedule is not that bad....NFL North and AFC South
Roadies
@ CHI - almost automatic L
@ DET
@ HOU
@ IND
@ NYJ
@ SD
@ DEN
@ OAK
Home
MIN
GB
TEN
JAX
CIN
SD
DEN
OAK
They can get to that 8-8 mark, maybe even 9-7 if they go 6-2 @ home and find some way to win @ HOU, @ DET and maybe @ OAK
And the KC schedule is not that bad....NFL North and AFC South
Roadies
@ CHI - almost automatic L
@ DET
@ HOU
@ IND
@ NYJ
@ SD
@ DEN
@ OAK
Home
MIN
GB
TEN
JAX
CIN
SD
DEN
OAK
They can get to that 8-8 mark, maybe even 9-7 if they go 6-2 @ home and find some way to win @ HOU, @ DET and maybe @ OAK
Agreed, except maybe a more difficult schedule. First six games starting with game 1 @ HOU, @ CHI, MIN, @ SD, JAX and CIN. FBG SOS shows tough QB matchups @ CHI, MIN, @ SD and JAX. This is a tough way to start the season, new QB or journeyman backup. KC and Huard will be very fortunate to get off on the right foot with this schedule. It wouldn't surprise me to see a midseason shift to Croyle since Herm is very fond of young players and is probably thinking that he NEEDS a good young QB more than very good backup to take KC to the next level. Herm's coaching life is on the clock and he can't afford to wait until next year to draft a new QB and then have to wait another year for the rookie QB to develop.FBG SOS shows 8 very tough DEF games for KC, 3 medium tough games, 3 medium easy games and only two easy DEF's so you could look at it as 11 hard games and 5 easy. KC's DEF is going to have to be very good this year and the QB's will need to have very few TO's in order for KC to have a respectable season this year.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Pretty sad that a team does everything it can (going back to February) to hand you the job and you can't take it.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Reason #4067 to avoid non first round non UDFA QBs.
Exactly, and truth be told, he didn't even have to be a hero to win the job with outstanding play, all he had to do was not turn the ball over and give LJ and the DEF a chance to win the game. He apparently is still young and thinks that he has to win the game all by himself with his fantastic arm. Maybe he can still learn by getting beat down by Herm to start the season.
I wonder if KC will look back on their draft this year and regret not trading up to draft Brady Quinn or trying to pick up David Carr in the offseason.
greenf7cat
Footballguy
not happening as of yet.. According to the worst head coach in football, Huard is still the starter... Granted, this question was asked of him directly after the game, so he said that he wants to watch the tape, but as of that exact moment, its still Huard.I dont know if Huard knows how to throw a spiral!!!gump said:
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Huard looked absolutely fine last year. LJ slow start, Kennison hurt, Herminator all hurting the cause. It will get better. Croyle is not the answer.
Some of the newspaper guys are pushing the panic button thinking that Croyle needs to be given a chance but I think given the schedule of @ HOU, vs CHI, MIN and @ SD that the writing was on the wall no matter who the QB was to start this season. If Croyle had started the first two games then KC fans would have soured on Croyle because I think they would have been losses just the same regardless of QB flavor. By allowing Huard to take the early season difficult schedule bad publicity, KC can hold Croyles hand a little bit more and give him the best possible environment to succeed under. Looking at the schedule below, I think I'd break in Croyle vs JAX or CIN at Arrowhead. Gotta see what the kid has at some point and after KC opens up the season 0-4 they won't have anything to lose.
@ HOU, @ CHI, MIN, @ SD, JAX, CIN, @ OAK, bye, GB, DEN, @ OAK, SD, @ DEN, TEN, @ DET, @ NYJ
@ HOU, @ CHI, MIN, @ SD, JAX, CIN, @ OAK, bye, GB, DEN, @ OAK, SD, @ DEN, TEN, @ DET, @ NYJ
Warpig
Footballguy
I was a supporter of Huard last year. He just flat out got the job done.
However, this year he has happy feet, no confidence in his surrounding cast, and gets rattled easily. I don't know how many times he would have time to get rid of the ball but not and then roll INTO the pressure instead of away from it. He would also just curl up and take the hit instead of stepping up into the pocket or rolling to the opposite side of the pressure.
The o-line wasn't doing that bad until McIntosh went out. Svitek was a sieve. As a matter of fact...that's his new nickname...Will "the Sieve" Svitek.
However, this year he has happy feet, no confidence in his surrounding cast, and gets rattled easily. I don't know how many times he would have time to get rid of the ball but not and then roll INTO the pressure instead of away from it. He would also just curl up and take the hit instead of stepping up into the pocket or rolling to the opposite side of the pressure.
The o-line wasn't doing that bad until McIntosh went out. Svitek was a sieve. As a matter of fact...that's his new nickname...Will "the Sieve" Svitek.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
I wonder why Leftwich is still unemployed, he has got to be an upgrade over guys like Huard and Croyle once he learns the playbook.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
People calling for Croyle in this city are NUTS.
Huard has looked bad because the playcalling has been conservative.....which is because the OC knows the OL cannot hold the rush on 5 and 7-step drops.
See the trickle down? It all starts from the OL.
Anyone who think Brodie Croyle is going to come in and lead this team to wins is delusional.
Minus the one bad read on the iNT on the ball intended for Samie Parker, Huard was a warrior yesterday.
Huard has looked bad because the playcalling has been conservative.....which is because the OC knows the OL cannot hold the rush on 5 and 7-step drops.
See the trickle down? It all starts from the OL.
Anyone who think Brodie Croyle is going to come in and lead this team to wins is delusional.
Minus the one bad read on the iNT on the ball intended for Samie Parker, Huard was a warrior yesterday.
Totally agree Kevin, it's all about the OL. I didn't think it was gonna be a huge dropoff this year from last but I think due to the difficult early schedule it's been brutal OL play throughout the preseason and into the first two games of the season.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Also, lets be clear, Herman Edwards did not bring up Croyle, the 
media asked him, so he had to answer.
What is funny and sad is that many fans just cannot grasp that this team is not going to the postseason this year, so quit complaining about every little thing after a loss. Anyone who expected KC to go up to CHI and win is drinking way too much koolaid. The fact that KC only lost by 10 IMPRESSED me.
media asked him, so he had to answer.What is funny and sad is that many fans just cannot grasp that this team is not going to the postseason this year, so quit complaining about every little thing after a loss. Anyone who expected KC to go up to CHI and win is drinking way too much koolaid. The fact that KC only lost by 10 IMPRESSED me.
the line was 13 last time I looked so I guess it could be considered a small moral victory,,,not!Also, lets be clear, Herman Edwards did not bring up Croyle, the
gump
Footballguy
Welcome to the media of 2007. Everything gets blown out of proportion...everything gets built into a controversy...everything insane fan gets a medium to make his voice heard...every pot gets stirred!That said...the fact that Croyle came in and immediately threw a beautiful sideline completion won't help the Huard supporters...although if I remember he still threw it off his back foot.Also, lets be clear, Herman Edwards did not bring up Croyle, the
jurrassic
Footballguy
I am not a KC fan or homer, but would a move to Croyle be that bad? The kid may be green with experience but at least he has an arm that can get the ball down the field. Huard looks weak to me. The Bears packed the line of scrimmage and sat on routes knowing that the Chiefs weren't going to go down field on them. Some of that is due to playcalling, but a large part of the playcalling is the coaches faith in a player's ability to execute. Croyle may have his growing pains, and may not be the answer, but his arm should at least present a threat to the defense, which would open up running lanes. I could be wrong but Huard doesn't look like he can throw the ball more than 30 yards down the field.
Warpig
Footballguy
I think the gut punch here is the fact that the Chiefs had several opportunities to take control of that game (thanks to Rex Grossman). But the play calling by the OC/HC were laughable. Two times on 3rd and short (2 or 1 yards) they try to force the ball to Dante Hall...oh wait, I mean Samie Parker. All 5'9" of him when he had excellent coverage. Two problems here: 1) Why not give the ball to LJ? 2) Huard should never have forced the ball into that coverage. Is he a mindless robot that can't think on his own? Check down man! Check down!Also, what was Herm trying to prove by launching those huge punts directly at Hester? Yeah Herm...you showed them. We held Hester to only ONE TD. Yet another small moral victory.Then, on 4th and inches...they try to draw the defense offsides...that's right up there with the statue of Liberty play...HIGH SCHOOL! And I'll reiterate that I think the O-line didn't do that badly in the running game. The holes were there, the Chiefs RB's weren't hitting them fast enough! Go back and look at it...you'd see the holes and instead of the RB popping it out, they'd run into the back of the O-linemen. I didn't realize the Chiefs have a Jamal Lewis clone in their backfield.Also, lets be clear, Herman Edwards did not bring up Croyle, themedia asked him, so he had to answer.What is funny and sad is that many fans just cannot grasp that this team is not going to the postseason this year, so quit complaining about every little thing after a loss. Anyone who expected KC to go up to CHI and win is drinking way too much koolaid. The fact that KC only lost by 10 IMPRESSED me.
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TommyGilmore
Footballguy
A strong arm does you no good if A, you've got bad aim, and B, you don't have the receivers to get there.
No a move to Croyle woudn't be a bad thing but it just needs to be done at a time and against an opponent that gives Croyle the best chance to gain confidence and get a win and the first game of the season @ HOU probably isn't a good time and anytime of the season @ CHI isn't a good time. At home vs MIN??? Well so far they're the DEF of the year but we don't know if that's a mirage or not so maybe MIN is a good time. The following week @ SD probably isn't a great time either since they're a top 5 DEF and on the road. There will be a good time to start Croyle but KC's just got to decide what they think is the best situation.
