*** Dan Lambskins Top 25 Most Overrated Movies *** A.K.A MoP Hates Hollywood (1 Viewer)

[Ilov80s]

The argument is the same as it has been. The movies you cherry pick are proof movies are bad and screwed.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

Hollywood doesn't make movies for American audiences any more, the worldwide box office take for many of these films we pander are in the hundreds of millions. A movie made for $200M+ might only make $150M in the US but worldwide will take in over $500M+, the studios bank on making money from foreign audiences

There's a lot of truth in this.

Can you give me 3 examples of movies you think support this stance and why because I don't get this premise.

The Great Wall, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Mulan. I am pretty sure that I've read something like that before and it just kind of makes sense? You know you're going to make a movie and to maximise your profits you're going to make it appeal to as many people as you can.

anyways this is what google gave me

Many U.S. movies are specifically made for foreign audiences, often incorporating elements that appeal to international markets. Here are some notable examples:

Blockbuster Franchises

• Transformers Series: Known for its global appeal, with significant box office earnings from China.
• Fast & Furious Franchise: Features diverse casts and international locations, catering to a global audience.

Culturally Adapted Films

• Pacific Rim: Designed with a focus on Asian markets, particularly Japan, featuring giant robots and monsters.
• The Great Wall: Co-produced with Chinese companies, it stars Chinese actors and incorporates Chinese mythology.

Animated Films

• Kung Fu Panda Series: Appeals to both Western and Eastern audiences with its themes of martial arts and self-discovery.
• Big Hero 6: Inspired by Japanese culture, it blends American animation with elements familiar to Asian viewers.

Co-Productions

• The Martian: While primarily an American film, it includes international actors and was marketed heavily in foreign markets.
• The Great Wall: A collaboration between American and Chinese filmmakers, aimed at bridging cultural gaps.

Market-Specific Releases

• Ghost in the Shell: Adapted from a Japanese manga, it targets both Western and Asian audiences, though it faced criticism for casting choices.
• Mulan (2020): A live-action adaptation that emphasizes themes relevant to both Western and Asian viewers.

These films often reflect a blend of cultural elements and storytelling techniques to resonate with diverse audiences, maximizing their global box office potential.

You weren't supporting the stance that movies were made with the intention of attracting a foreign audience. You were supppoting the idea that Hollywood doesn't make movies for American audiences any more.

imagine thinking that you know better than what the author is posting. They are close enough. If you are making a movie with the intent to attract outside audiences are you really making a movie for americans?

also I said "there is truth in this" I thought it should have been obvious what I was saying but I guess not.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Hollywood doesn't make movies for American audiences any more, the worldwide box office take for many of these films we pander are in the hundreds of millions. A movie made for $200M+ might only make $150M in the US but worldwide will take in over $500M+, the studios bank on making money from foreign audiences

There's a lot of truth in this.

F1 is doing OK in America, $100M isn't what it used to be and rumors have the cost of that film somewhere in the $250M to possibly $300M range, this would be a bomb if it was relying on just the US audiences but worldwide it has taken in close to $300M and still rising, likely will go over $400-$500M Worldwide and then Apple Plus is ready to roll with it so you won't even get a chance to likely rent the movie at home, you have to subscribe to Apple which is another pet peeve of mine with films.

Some of them go directly to an Apple, Netflix, Max, whatever and if you don't subscribe to them then you won't get to see it outside of maybe purchasing it blindly for $25
It's infuriating so i choose to mostly not participate. There are some movies coming out this year that I am interested in, usually certain directors or actors draw me into a film

It's a movie about F1, of course it is depending on overseas viewers.

The studios are banking on the overseas money for most of the bigger budget films and they tell the directors what they want

-Side story, the studio wanted to cut the scene where Madsen cuts off the ear of the police officer in Reservoir Dogs, said it would make the film very unappealing to women
Tarantino refused to cut the scene and even threatened to try and get distribution from another studio if necessary and for a first time director that was pretty ballsy

2nd side story Sylvester Stallone refused to sell the rights to Rocky to any studio that wouldn't cast him as Rocky, studios offered him 6 figures for the movie rights and he refused
Stallone wrote Rocky in 3 days

F1 is a very international sport. It's like Hollywood making a movie about hockey and you complaining that it appeals too much to the Canadaian, Russian and Finnish. Your side stories have literally nothing to do with anything we've been talking about- people going to the movies.

"MOP Hates Hollywood"
-I think I can talk about some of those reasons and why I have very little faith in movie studio execs

All movies that revolve around cars with few exceptions are going to appeal to a more worldly audience, look at the Fast and Furious franchise, they bank on international dollars

-When they made "The Leftovers" a couple years ago, think it won best supporting actress, hardly anyone outside of America paid to watch that film.
They never gave it much budget because it was never going to be very appealing outside of America, would you not agree?

There is a major push in Hollywood to think way past any of us ticket buyers in America, from casting to script to marketing, it's all figured out before they shoot the first frame
That doesn't help creativity IMHO

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The argument is the same as it has been. The movies you cherry pick are proof movies are bad and screwed.

Pixar just released their worst performing movie ever

 

[rockaction]

or that the critically acclaimed films now are also bad and not worth seeking out?

I can play this one from the rough. I would mean this. Total pabulum.

Rock, you admittedly do not watch movies or tv shows.

It’s partially because they suck so hard. Hearing about life issues from kids who went to film school and learned life philosophy from the Matrix.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Hollywood doesn't make movies for American audiences any more, the worldwide box office take for many of these films we pander are in the hundreds of millions. A movie made for $200M+ might only make $150M in the US but worldwide will take in over $500M+, the studios bank on making money from foreign audiences

There's a lot of truth in this.

Can you give me 3 examples of movies you think support this stance and why because I don't get this premise.

The Great Wall, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Mulan. I am pretty sure that I've read something like that before and it just kind of makes sense? You know you're going to make a movie and to maximise your profits you're going to make it appeal to as many people as you can.

anyways this is what google gave me

Many U.S. movies are specifically made for foreign audiences, often incorporating elements that appeal to international markets. Here are some notable examples:

Blockbuster Franchises

• Transformers Series: Known for its global appeal, with significant box office earnings from China.
• Fast & Furious Franchise: Features diverse casts and international locations, catering to a global audience.

Culturally Adapted Films

• Pacific Rim: Designed with a focus on Asian markets, particularly Japan, featuring giant robots and monsters.
• The Great Wall: Co-produced with Chinese companies, it stars Chinese actors and incorporates Chinese mythology.

Animated Films

• Kung Fu Panda Series: Appeals to both Western and Eastern audiences with its themes of martial arts and self-discovery.
• Big Hero 6: Inspired by Japanese culture, it blends American animation with elements familiar to Asian viewers.

Co-Productions

• The Martian: While primarily an American film, it includes international actors and was marketed heavily in foreign markets.
• The Great Wall: A collaboration between American and Chinese filmmakers, aimed at bridging cultural gaps.

Market-Specific Releases

• Ghost in the Shell: Adapted from a Japanese manga, it targets both Western and Asian audiences, though it faced criticism for casting choices.
• Mulan (2020): A live-action adaptation that emphasizes themes relevant to both Western and Asian viewers.

These films often reflect a blend of cultural elements and storytelling techniques to resonate with diverse audiences, maximizing their global box office potential.

This very much feels like picking and choosing a handful of movies that have a "diverse" cast that do well overseas. Also, in a bit of a chicken and the egg situation - especially with the bleeding in of Japanese culture and shows/movies into our entertainment. Manga is huge now, but there has always been an undercurrent of Japanese culture in movies. One of your examples is Ghost in the Shell which is just a remake of an animated movie based on a series from Japan from the late 80s. Hell Transformers were made by joint Japanese/American toy companies if I remember right. We love Godzilla, and you could even argue examples like Pacific Rim play on that as well. I think people underestimate the popularity of manga and graphic novels with the target audience for movies (which is not us anymore, sadly)

Here is a link that I came across when I was thinking about what has made the most money in international box office over the years:

All Time International Box Office

This chart contains the top movies based on the cumulative international box office.

www.the-numbers.com

I feel like that is a pretty similar list to what we would see domestically. I get that often movies make more money overseas, and that has to be in the back of the studios' mind. However, IMO I think what explains it more is that simply the things that translate between languages easier are also the same things that seem to be what we as a country flock to see - big spectacle and known properties. Just like it's easier for me to follow a Godzilla movie vs. a drama like Tokyo Story. Watching action movies with little important dialogue is easier follow along than some Oscar drama would be. Some of the diversity of movies and casts can also be explained by it being the 21st century and we a way more diverse set of people writing and directing movies as well. I think when we are pointing to things like international locations and diverse casts as reasons for the state of movies in the theater we are overthinking it. Looking at that list and most of those are in the bucket of remakes, sequels, and based on book/graphic novel/comics that dominate the box office here as well.

 

[Ilov80s]

Hollywood doesn't make movies for American audiences any more, the worldwide box office take for many of these films we pander are in the hundreds of millions. A movie made for $200M+ might only make $150M in the US but worldwide will take in over $500M+, the studios bank on making money from foreign audiences

There's a lot of truth in this.

F1 is doing OK in America, $100M isn't what it used to be and rumors have the cost of that film somewhere in the $250M to possibly $300M range, this would be a bomb if it was relying on just the US audiences but worldwide it has taken in close to $300M and still rising, likely will go over $400-$500M Worldwide and then Apple Plus is ready to roll with it so you won't even get a chance to likely rent the movie at home, you have to subscribe to Apple which is another pet peeve of mine with films.

Some of them go directly to an Apple, Netflix, Max, whatever and if you don't subscribe to them then you won't get to see it outside of maybe purchasing it blindly for $25
It's infuriating so i choose to mostly not participate. There are some movies coming out this year that I am interested in, usually certain directors or actors draw me into a film

It's a movie about F1, of course it is depending on overseas viewers.

The studios are banking on the overseas money for most of the bigger budget films and they tell the directors what they want

-Side story, the studio wanted to cut the scene where Madsen cuts off the ear of the police officer in Reservoir Dogs, said it would make the film very unappealing to women
Tarantino refused to cut the scene and even threatened to try and get distribution from another studio if necessary and for a first time director that was pretty ballsy

2nd side story Sylvester Stallone refused to sell the rights to Rocky to any studio that wouldn't cast him as Rocky, studios offered him 6 figures for the movie rights and he refused
Stallone wrote Rocky in 3 days

F1 is a very international sport. It's like Hollywood making a movie about hockey and you complaining that it appeals too much to the Canadaian, Russian and Finnish. Your side stories have literally nothing to do with anything we've been talking about- people going to the movies.

"MOP Hates Hollywood"
-I think I can talk about some of those reasons and why I have very little faith in movie studio execs

All movies that revolve around cars with few exceptions are going to appeal to a more worldly audience, look at the Fast and Furious franchise, they bank on international dollars

-When they made "The Leftovers" a couple years ago, think it won best supporting actress, hardly anyone outside of America paid to watch that film.
They never gave it much budget because it was never going to be very appealing outside of America, would you not agree?

There is a major push in Hollywood to think way past any of us ticket buyers in America, from casting to script to marketing, it's all figured out before they shoot the first frame
That doesn't help creativity IMHO

For starters The Leftovers is an HBO TV Show.

 

[Ilov80s]

or that the critically acclaimed films now are also bad and not worth seeking out?

I can play this one from the rough. I would mean this. Total pabulum.

Rock, you admittedly do not watch movies or tv shows.

It’s partially because they suck so hard. Hearing about life issues from kids who went to film school and learned life philosophy from the Matrix.

What did you think of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? Killers of the Flower Moon, Parasite, Oppenheimer, Anora, Banshees of Inisherin, Tar? These are all moves made by guys your age or older.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Hollywood doesn't make movies for American audiences any more, the worldwide box office take for many of these films we pander are in the hundreds of millions. A movie made for $200M+ might only make $150M in the US but worldwide will take in over $500M+, the studios bank on making money from foreign audiences

There's a lot of truth in this.

F1 is doing OK in America, $100M isn't what it used to be and rumors have the cost of that film somewhere in the $250M to possibly $300M range, this would be a bomb if it was relying on just the US audiences but worldwide it has taken in close to $300M and still rising, likely will go over $400-$500M Worldwide and then Apple Plus is ready to roll with it so you won't even get a chance to likely rent the movie at home, you have to subscribe to Apple which is another pet peeve of mine with films.

Some of them go directly to an Apple, Netflix, Max, whatever and if you don't subscribe to them then you won't get to see it outside of maybe purchasing it blindly for $25
It's infuriating so i choose to mostly not participate. There are some movies coming out this year that I am interested in, usually certain directors or actors draw me into a film

It's a movie about F1, of course it is depending on overseas viewers.

The studios are banking on the overseas money for most of the bigger budget films and they tell the directors what they want

-Side story, the studio wanted to cut the scene where Madsen cuts off the ear of the police officer in Reservoir Dogs, said it would make the film very unappealing to women
Tarantino refused to cut the scene and even threatened to try and get distribution from another studio if necessary and for a first time director that was pretty ballsy

2nd side story Sylvester Stallone refused to sell the rights to Rocky to any studio that wouldn't cast him as Rocky, studios offered him 6 figures for the movie rights and he refused
Stallone wrote Rocky in 3 days

F1 is a very international sport. It's like Hollywood making a movie about hockey and you complaining that it appeals too much to the Canadaian, Russian and Finnish. Your side stories have literally nothing to do with anything we've been talking about- people going to the movies.

"MOP Hates Hollywood"
-I think I can talk about some of those reasons and why I have very little faith in movie studio execs

All movies that revolve around cars with few exceptions are going to appeal to a more worldly audience, look at the Fast and Furious franchise, they bank on international dollars

-When they made "The Leftovers" a couple years ago, think it won best supporting actress, hardly anyone outside of America paid to watch that film.
They never gave it much budget because it was never going to be very appealing outside of America, would you not agree?

There is a major push in Hollywood to think way past any of us ticket buyers in America, from casting to script to marketing, it's all figured out before they shoot the first frame
That doesn't help creativity IMHO

For starters The Leftovers is an HBO TV Show.

I'm guessing he meant The Holdovers.

 

[Ilov80s]

Hollywood doesn't make movies for American audiences any more, the worldwide box office take for many of these films we pander are in the hundreds of millions. A movie made for $200M+ might only make $150M in the US but worldwide will take in over $500M+, the studios bank on making money from foreign audiences

There's a lot of truth in this.

Can you give me 3 examples of movies you think support this stance and why because I don't get this premise.

The Great Wall, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Mulan. I am pretty sure that I've read something like that before and it just kind of makes sense? You know you're going to make a movie and to maximise your profits you're going to make it appeal to as many people as you can.

anyways this is what google gave me

Many U.S. movies are specifically made for foreign audiences, often incorporating elements that appeal to international markets. Here are some notable examples:

Blockbuster Franchises

• Transformers Series: Known for its global appeal, with significant box office earnings from China.
• Fast & Furious Franchise: Features diverse casts and international locations, catering to a global audience.

Culturally Adapted Films

• Pacific Rim: Designed with a focus on Asian markets, particularly Japan, featuring giant robots and monsters.
• The Great Wall: Co-produced with Chinese companies, it stars Chinese actors and incorporates Chinese mythology.

Animated Films

• Kung Fu Panda Series: Appeals to both Western and Eastern audiences with its themes of martial arts and self-discovery.
• Big Hero 6: Inspired by Japanese culture, it blends American animation with elements familiar to Asian viewers.

Co-Productions

• The Martian: While primarily an American film, it includes international actors and was marketed heavily in foreign markets.
• The Great Wall: A collaboration between American and Chinese filmmakers, aimed at bridging cultural gaps.

Market-Specific Releases

• Ghost in the Shell: Adapted from a Japanese manga, it targets both Western and Asian audiences, though it faced criticism for casting choices.
• Mulan (2020): A live-action adaptation that emphasizes themes relevant to both Western and Asian viewers.

These films often reflect a blend of cultural elements and storytelling techniques to resonate with diverse audiences, maximizing their global box office potential.

You weren't supporting the stance that movies were made with the intention of attracting a foreign audience. You were supppoting the idea that Hollywood doesn't make movies for American audiences any more.

imagine thinking that you know better than what the author is posting. They are close enough. If you are making a movie with the intent to attract outside audiences are you really making a movie for americans?

also I said "there is truth in this" I thought it should have been obvious what I was saying but I guess not.

You don't think it is possible there is some overlap in what Americans and foreign audiences might want to see? The Martian was a big hit in America and the top 6 or 7 billed actors in it are American. The director was British though but I don't think we usually consider Ridley Scott to be un-American. The Fast and Furious movies are huge American hits. Yes there are movies featuring non- Americans in them and stories about people who are foreign but that is not new. Casablanca, Lawrence of Arabia, Enter the Dragon, The Last Emperor, the Mission Impossible series, every Ingrid Bergman, Greta Garbo and Marlene Dietrich movie.

I definitely agree with the premise that the corporations behind movies are trying to make the most money possible and looking to hit as wide an audience as possible (which is why they loved exporting Americna super hero movies world wide for 20 years). I disagree though that movies aren't being made with American audiences in mind. Whether it's big tentpole blockbusters like Twisters and Top Gun Maverick or works by old masters like The Fablemans and Oppenheimer or smaller indie films like Shiva Baby and Mass there are good movies being made about things Americans care about.

 

[Ilov80s]

Hollywood doesn't make movies for American audiences any more, the worldwide box office take for many of these films we pander are in the hundreds of millions. A movie made for $200M+ might only make $150M in the US but worldwide will take in over $500M+, the studios bank on making money from foreign audiences

There's a lot of truth in this.

F1 is doing OK in America, $100M isn't what it used to be and rumors have the cost of that film somewhere in the $250M to possibly $300M range, this would be a bomb if it was relying on just the US audiences but worldwide it has taken in close to $300M and still rising, likely will go over $400-$500M Worldwide and then Apple Plus is ready to roll with it so you won't even get a chance to likely rent the movie at home, you have to subscribe to Apple which is another pet peeve of mine with films.

Some of them go directly to an Apple, Netflix, Max, whatever and if you don't subscribe to them then you won't get to see it outside of maybe purchasing it blindly for $25
It's infuriating so i choose to mostly not participate. There are some movies coming out this year that I am interested in, usually certain directors or actors draw me into a film

It's a movie about F1, of course it is depending on overseas viewers.

The studios are banking on the overseas money for most of the bigger budget films and they tell the directors what they want

-Side story, the studio wanted to cut the scene where Madsen cuts off the ear of the police officer in Reservoir Dogs, said it would make the film very unappealing to women
Tarantino refused to cut the scene and even threatened to try and get distribution from another studio if necessary and for a first time director that was pretty ballsy

2nd side story Sylvester Stallone refused to sell the rights to Rocky to any studio that wouldn't cast him as Rocky, studios offered him 6 figures for the movie rights and he refused
Stallone wrote Rocky in 3 days

F1 is a very international sport. It's like Hollywood making a movie about hockey and you complaining that it appeals too much to the Canadaian, Russian and Finnish. Your side stories have literally nothing to do with anything we've been talking about- people going to the movies.

"MOP Hates Hollywood"
-I think I can talk about some of those reasons and why I have very little faith in movie studio execs

All movies that revolve around cars with few exceptions are going to appeal to a more worldly audience, look at the Fast and Furious franchise, they bank on international dollars

-When they made "The Leftovers" a couple years ago, think it won best supporting actress, hardly anyone outside of America paid to watch that film.
They never gave it much budget because it was never going to be very appealing outside of America, would you not agree?

There is a major push in Hollywood to think way past any of us ticket buyers in America, from casting to script to marketing, it's all figured out before they shoot the first frame
That doesn't help creativity IMHO

For starters The Leftovers is an HBO TV Show.

I'm guessing he meant The Holdovers.

Ahhh yes thank you. The Holdovers didn't get a massive F1 budget for 3 reasons. First and foremost, the movie did not require it. It is perfectly cast, looks and sounds great. I doubt anyone saw it and felt like it was a cheap production or missing some big CGI touches or super star cameos. Next, it was unlikely to make a massive amount of money as it's simply not that kind of movie. It did earn more money internationally than it did in America. And finally, the last film by Alexander Payne was Downsizing 6 years earlier. He was given a big $70 million budget and it resulted in a total flop and the worst movie of his career.

 

[Ilov80s]

The argument is the same as it has been. The movies you cherry pick are proof movies are bad and screwed.

Pixar just released their worst performing movie ever

Very true. Pixar, Disney, Marvel have had some struggles and aren't the guarantees they used to be.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Hollywood doesn't make movies for American audiences any more, the worldwide box office take for many of these films we pander are in the hundreds of millions. A movie made for $200M+ might only make $150M in the US but worldwide will take in over $500M+, the studios bank on making money from foreign audiences

There's a lot of truth in this.

F1 is doing OK in America, $100M isn't what it used to be and rumors have the cost of that film somewhere in the $250M to possibly $300M range, this would be a bomb if it was relying on just the US audiences but worldwide it has taken in close to $300M and still rising, likely will go over $400-$500M Worldwide and then Apple Plus is ready to roll with it so you won't even get a chance to likely rent the movie at home, you have to subscribe to Apple which is another pet peeve of mine with films.

Some of them go directly to an Apple, Netflix, Max, whatever and if you don't subscribe to them then you won't get to see it outside of maybe purchasing it blindly for $25
It's infuriating so i choose to mostly not participate. There are some movies coming out this year that I am interested in, usually certain directors or actors draw me into a film

It's a movie about F1, of course it is depending on overseas viewers.

The studios are banking on the overseas money for most of the bigger budget films and they tell the directors what they want

-Side story, the studio wanted to cut the scene where Madsen cuts off the ear of the police officer in Reservoir Dogs, said it would make the film very unappealing to women
Tarantino refused to cut the scene and even threatened to try and get distribution from another studio if necessary and for a first time director that was pretty ballsy

2nd side story Sylvester Stallone refused to sell the rights to Rocky to any studio that wouldn't cast him as Rocky, studios offered him 6 figures for the movie rights and he refused
Stallone wrote Rocky in 3 days

F1 is a very international sport. It's like Hollywood making a movie about hockey and you complaining that it appeals too much to the Canadaian, Russian and Finnish. Your side stories have literally nothing to do with anything we've been talking about- people going to the movies.

"MOP Hates Hollywood"
-I think I can talk about some of those reasons and why I have very little faith in movie studio execs

All movies that revolve around cars with few exceptions are going to appeal to a more worldly audience, look at the Fast and Furious franchise, they bank on international dollars

-When they made "The Leftovers" a couple years ago, think it won best supporting actress, hardly anyone outside of America paid to watch that film.
They never gave it much budget because it was never going to be very appealing outside of America, would you not agree?

There is a major push in Hollywood to think way past any of us ticket buyers in America, from casting to script to marketing, it's all figured out before they shoot the first frame
That doesn't help creativity IMHO

For starters The Leftovers is an HBO TV Show.

That movie with Giamatti as the lone teacher left to babysit over Turkey Day or one fo those holidays, it was a pretty good film with stronger performances vs the script

 

[KarmaPolice]

Hollywood doesn't make movies for American audiences any more, the worldwide box office take for many of these films we pander are in the hundreds of millions. A movie made for $200M+ might only make $150M in the US but worldwide will take in over $500M+, the studios bank on making money from foreign audiences

There's a lot of truth in this.

F1 is doing OK in America, $100M isn't what it used to be and rumors have the cost of that film somewhere in the $250M to possibly $300M range, this would be a bomb if it was relying on just the US audiences but worldwide it has taken in close to $300M and still rising, likely will go over $400-$500M Worldwide and then Apple Plus is ready to roll with it so you won't even get a chance to likely rent the movie at home, you have to subscribe to Apple which is another pet peeve of mine with films.

Some of them go directly to an Apple, Netflix, Max, whatever and if you don't subscribe to them then you won't get to see it outside of maybe purchasing it blindly for $25
It's infuriating so i choose to mostly not participate. There are some movies coming out this year that I am interested in, usually certain directors or actors draw me into a film

It's a movie about F1, of course it is depending on overseas viewers.

The studios are banking on the overseas money for most of the bigger budget films and they tell the directors what they want

-Side story, the studio wanted to cut the scene where Madsen cuts off the ear of the police officer in Reservoir Dogs, said it would make the film very unappealing to women
Tarantino refused to cut the scene and even threatened to try and get distribution from another studio if necessary and for a first time director that was pretty ballsy

2nd side story Sylvester Stallone refused to sell the rights to Rocky to any studio that wouldn't cast him as Rocky, studios offered him 6 figures for the movie rights and he refused
Stallone wrote Rocky in 3 days

F1 is a very international sport. It's like Hollywood making a movie about hockey and you complaining that it appeals too much to the Canadaian, Russian and Finnish. Your side stories have literally nothing to do with anything we've been talking about- people going to the movies.

"MOP Hates Hollywood"
-I think I can talk about some of those reasons and why I have very little faith in movie studio execs

All movies that revolve around cars with few exceptions are going to appeal to a more worldly audience, look at the Fast and Furious franchise, they bank on international dollars

-When they made "The Leftovers" a couple years ago, think it won best supporting actress, hardly anyone outside of America paid to watch that film.
They never gave it much budget because it was never going to be very appealing outside of America, would you not agree?

There is a major push in Hollywood to think way past any of us ticket buyers in America, from casting to script to marketing, it's all figured out before they shoot the first frame
That doesn't help creativity IMHO

For starters The Leftovers is an HBO TV Show.

I'm guessing he meant The Holdovers.

If so, that didn't make money anywhere. I'm not surprised people didn't rush to see the boarding school movie by Alexander Payne in the theater. One of my favorite movies that year, but it's not $100M+ fare.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The argument is the same as it has been. The movies you cherry pick are proof movies are bad and screwed.

Pixar just released their worst performing movie ever

Very true. Pixar, Disney, Marvel have had some struggles and aren't the guarantees they used to be.

Thank you but I will also say that in general they've been vehicle to print money
I'm not that obtuse, I understand why they want to appeal to a World Market when they spend $200M+ on a movie, I get it
But there has to be a happy medium somewhere..

-What can be done for a budget of $20M-$25M with perhaps up and coming actors and not much use of special effects, in the more classic style of film?
I don't have the answers but there is a big hole in the market for adults in the 40-50+ range and that use to be the folks I would see piling into matinees back in the day, Seniors and adults

 

[KarmaPolice]

Hollywood doesn't make movies for American audiences any more, the worldwide box office take for many of these films we pander are in the hundreds of millions. A movie made for $200M+ might only make $150M in the US but worldwide will take in over $500M+, the studios bank on making money from foreign audiences

There's a lot of truth in this.

Can you give me 3 examples of movies you think support this stance and why because I don't get this premise.

The Great Wall, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Mulan. I am pretty sure that I've read something like that before and it just kind of makes sense? You know you're going to make a movie and to maximise your profits you're going to make it appeal to as many people as you can.

anyways this is what google gave me

Many U.S. movies are specifically made for foreign audiences, often incorporating elements that appeal to international markets. Here are some notable examples:

Blockbuster Franchises

• Transformers Series: Known for its global appeal, with significant box office earnings from China.
• Fast & Furious Franchise: Features diverse casts and international locations, catering to a global audience.

Culturally Adapted Films

• Pacific Rim: Designed with a focus on Asian markets, particularly Japan, featuring giant robots and monsters.
• The Great Wall: Co-produced with Chinese companies, it stars Chinese actors and incorporates Chinese mythology.

Animated Films

• Kung Fu Panda Series: Appeals to both Western and Eastern audiences with its themes of martial arts and self-discovery.
• Big Hero 6: Inspired by Japanese culture, it blends American animation with elements familiar to Asian viewers.

Co-Productions

• The Martian: While primarily an American film, it includes international actors and was marketed heavily in foreign markets.
• The Great Wall: A collaboration between American and Chinese filmmakers, aimed at bridging cultural gaps.

Market-Specific Releases

• Ghost in the Shell: Adapted from a Japanese manga, it targets both Western and Asian audiences, though it faced criticism for casting choices.
• Mulan (2020): A live-action adaptation that emphasizes themes relevant to both Western and Asian viewers.

These films often reflect a blend of cultural elements and storytelling techniques to resonate with diverse audiences, maximizing their global box office potential.

You weren't supporting the stance that movies were made with the intention of attracting a foreign audience. You were supppoting the idea that Hollywood doesn't make movies for American audiences any more.

imagine thinking that you know better than what the author is posting. They are close enough. If you are making a movie with the intent to attract outside audiences are you really making a movie for americans?

also I said "there is truth in this" I thought it should have been obvious what I was saying but I guess not.

You don't think it is possible there is some overlap in what Americans and foreign audiences might want to see? The Martian was a big hit in America and the top 6 or 7 billed actors in it are American. The director was British though but I don't think we usually consider Ridley Scott to be un-American. The Fast and Furious movies are huge American hits. Yes there are movies featuring non- Americans in them and stories about people who are foreign but that is not new. Casablanca, Lawrence of Arabia, Enter the Dragon, The Last Emperor, the Mission Impossible series, every Ingrid Bergman, Greta Garbo and Marlene Dietrich movie.

I definitely agree with the premise that the corporations behind movies are trying to make the most money possible and looking to hit as wide an audience as possible (which is why they loved exporting Americna super hero movies world wide for 20 years). I disagree though that movies aren't being made with American audiences in mind. Whether it's big tentpole blockbusters like Twisters and Top Gun Maverick or works by old masters like The Fablemans and Oppenheimer or smaller indie films like Shiva Baby and Mass there are good movies being made about things Americans care about.

and movies like Oppenheimer hit huge overseas too. I'm not sure how big hits like Maverick, Oppenheimer, and others in the last few years fit this narrative about the foreign markets.

 

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The argument is the same as it has been. The movies you cherry pick are proof movies are bad and screwed.

Pixar just released their worst performing movie ever

Very true. Pixar, Disney, Marvel have had some struggles and aren't the guarantees they used to be.

Thank you but I will also say that in general they've been vehicle to print money
I'm not that obtuse, I understand why they want to appeal to a World Market when they spend $200M+ on a movie, I get it
But there has to be a happy medium somewhere..

-What can be done for a budget of $20M-$25M with perhaps up and coming actors and not much use of special effects, in the more classic style of film?
I don't have the answers but there is a big hole in the market for adults in the 40-50+ range and that use to be the folks I would see piling into matinees back in the day, Seniors and adults

I will say the 2 big Oscar winners of last year were both made for less than $10 million. Is Anore for middle aged people? Maybe, maybe not. It's pretty loud and chaotic and full of sex. The Brutalist is a very traditional American epic about a Holocaust survivor trying to restart his life and career in America. A Complete Unknown was obviously targeted at older adults. Same with Conclave which had a $20 million budget. The year before The Holdovers, Banshees, American Fiction and Past Lives fit the bill. These movies are getting made. Not as many as they used to since so much of streaming has taken up that market but there are good, mid to low budget movies for adults.