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Dan Reeves to lead 49ers Offense? (1 Viewer)
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
start hiding dogs..............
Phurfur
Footballguy
I don't know why any team would want Mike Vick!
Because he's a play maker who wins games.I think that would be a great move for San Fran.Phurfur said:
I don't like Vick personally and I believe what he did was reprehensible, but he was a pretty valuable weapon and there have been plenty of guys who have done worse things that are still playing or continued playing in the past.
I think it would be a boon to the values of Frank Gore and especially Vernon Davis.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Why would Reeves do this? Does he miss the game that much? Seems like such a step down for an older HC who has been away for so long. 
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
My memory's probably screwy, but wasn't Vick nursing little injuries a major reason that Reeves is currently unemployed? I always assumed Vick hated that guy the way he would sit out for several weeks after some phantom sprain where he'd fall down without even being touched.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
As a closet 49er fan, this is a garbage can hire.
WTF ?
WTF ?
PatrickT
Footballguy
Curious as to whether this is sarcasm? Vick broke his ankle against the Ravens in the preseason and came back a little early, even. Now, because he broke his ankle, the Falcons went 4-12 or something equally awful and Reeves was fired but Vick, for many other faults, played thru some injuries for both Reeves and Mora, including a seperated shoulder. I don't recall an instance where I thought Vick was exaggerating injury.
Despyzer
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PatrickT
Footballguy
Be interested in other input, especially from other homers. I never got that impression.That was how I saw it. Although I do admit I may be misremembering things.
Twilight
Footballguy
DPRugby said:
When Bill Walsh brought in Laurence Phillips, the backlash was muted a bit because of the faith in Walsh. The present Niner staff doesn't have close to the credibility to bring in someone like Vick, even with someone like Reeves to handhold him (not that I believe it's going to happen).As for Reeves as OC otherwise, I wouldn't have a problem with it. The knowledge an experienced HC could provide Singletary could be very beneficial for the rookie coach.
drummer
Footballguy
Reeves would be the only guy there (outside of players, both Veteran and Current) that has any real experience in both coaching an personnel. The 49ers GM, Prez, and HC are green at their hired positions. The one thing Reeves isn't is a holdover Nolan that brought in, and failed with.DPRugby said:When Bill Walsh brought in Laurence Phillips, the backlash was muted a bit because of the faith in Walsh. The present Niner staff doesn't have close to the credibility to bring in someone like Vick, even with someone like Reeves to handhold him (not that I believe it's going to happen).As for Reeves as OC otherwise, I wouldn't have a problem with it. The knowledge an experienced HC could provide Singletary could be very beneficial for the rookie coach.
Man who'd fire the Yorks
Footballguy
Don't have a problem with Reeves being the OC. He has been outta football a while but I'm sure he hasn't forgot everything. He'd probably be a big help to Singletary. I just hope the Reeves connection to Vick isn't something they're exploring, but as long as the Yorks are the owners of the team we can expect this kinda stuff. If they can get Vick for little money and incentives until he can prove himself I don't think he could do any worse than what the QB's on the 49ers have done over recent years. I'm an animal lover and the things Vick was involved in makes me sick. Yet I'm a firm believer in 2nd chances and the faith that people can change. While I don't like the fact of him being a 49er I would give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity for him to right his wrongs. Hopefully what happened to Mike Vick has been a life altering experience. He probably could play at a decent level for a few years if need, giving the 49ers time to develop a new QB. There are still players in the NFL that have done far worse things than Vick so he should be afforded the same opportunities they have have in turning their lives around. Least we forgot Ray Lewis was up on murder charges some time back and look at him now. People can change and eventually it will show if Vick has done that. San Francisco has been a poor team ever since Young and company won the '94 superbowl. I'm a lifelong 9ers fan and want to see them get back to winning football. My biggest gripe with the organization is the owners, the Yorks. I feel they are more about profit than football. It's going to be a tough road for the 49ers to get back to being a winning football team as long as the Yorks have the power. Maybe they could have a change of heart but I don't see that anytime soon.I just feel the organization would be best served by new ownership. Someone genuinely passionate about football and the 49ers.Lot of people the 49ers have been talking to, as far as coaches, have some kinda connection to Mike Vick, which lends people to think they're going to try and get him. As far as QB's are concerned he would definitely be an upgrade over what they've had recently. He'll be 30 in 2010 so he could have a few decent years left of good production. Although if they don't surround him with good players his chances of succeeding diminish. As bad as we have been lately Reeves and Vick couldn't make things worse so I say go for it and see what happens.
The Shizzle
Footballguy
With Vick involved, I would say it kills his value.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
I think some are getting ahead of themselves with the thoughts of Mike Vick coming back to the NFL and being anything like the player we remember him to be first of all. And let's remember, he wasn't exactly all that prolific to begin with once defenses figured him out and significantly narrowed his game. Many wanted to point fingers at his receivers, the very same receivers that rookie Matt Ryan stepped in and excelled with. Oh, and Roddy White is heading to his first Pro Bowl.
Even "if" Vick is released in July "and" Goodell decides to reinstate him "and" somebody is willing to go out on a limb and sign him, one training camp and a handful of preseason games is not going to be enough time for a quarterback of limited skills to get his game back. Not going to happen. He'll have to redevelop his timing and accuracy, not to mention team chemistry. He never did conquer reading defenses either. No way he'll be starting caliber in 2009, with no real certainty he ever will be again. He'll be a project at best, and may even wind up being a player at a different position in the end if he does come back.
I wouldn't be looking to open any future FF roster spots for him just yet. He's strickly a "wait and see." Vick is nothing to bank on by any means. He's got a long, long way to go before seeing an NFL field again. Much longer than some seem to think. The odds of him finding any kind of success in the NFL again are stacked against him.
Let's also keep in mind that the "supposed" next coming of him is sitting on the bench in Tennessee behind an aged veteran who the team has all but assured he'll be brought back to start again next season. The NFL is no place for such quarterbacks.
Even "if" Vick is released in July "and" Goodell decides to reinstate him "and" somebody is willing to go out on a limb and sign him, one training camp and a handful of preseason games is not going to be enough time for a quarterback of limited skills to get his game back. Not going to happen. He'll have to redevelop his timing and accuracy, not to mention team chemistry. He never did conquer reading defenses either. No way he'll be starting caliber in 2009, with no real certainty he ever will be again. He'll be a project at best, and may even wind up being a player at a different position in the end if he does come back.
I wouldn't be looking to open any future FF roster spots for him just yet. He's strickly a "wait and see." Vick is nothing to bank on by any means. He's got a long, long way to go before seeing an NFL field again. Much longer than some seem to think. The odds of him finding any kind of success in the NFL again are stacked against him.
Let's also keep in mind that the "supposed" next coming of him is sitting on the bench in Tennessee behind an aged veteran who the team has all but assured he'll be brought back to start again next season. The NFL is no place for such quarterbacks.
I kinda half agree half disagree with this.Michael Vick was a very valuable player, and defenses didn't figure him out at all. Yes he looks like he held back Roddy White's development, but let's not forget in Vick's final season he threw for about 2,500 yards and run for another 1,000. That's 3,500 yards and a lot of extended drives by running for 1st downs on 3rd and 9 and situations like that.I agree that he likely won't get back to that level right away, but its certainly worth the risk for any team that doesn't consider PR to be the most important thing in the world.As for Vince Young, I very much believe him being a running QB has next to nothing to do with why Kerry Collins passed him on the depth chart, its Young's lack of commitment to the game and possibly fragile pysche that got him put on the bench.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
The idea of Michael Vick in San Fran -- home of the wackiest lefties on earth -- is amusing. I'd love to see it happen just for drama value.
Dan Reeves though? Seriously? I mean, Joe Gibbs was past his prime but the only reason Reeves ever HAD a prime was because of John Elway.
Dan Reeves though? Seriously? I mean, Joe Gibbs was past his prime but the only reason Reeves ever HAD a prime was because of John Elway.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Phil Simms didn't start a game for two straight seasons because of a knee and a thumb injury; the next year he had a big season.
Steve DeBerg was out of football for four years and then played okay in limited time in '98 at the age of 44.
Vince Evans was out for three years before playing well in '87 for the Raiders.
Damon Huard was the third QB for NE in '04 and '05 before his big season in '06 for KC.
Chris Miller was out of football for three years and then did okay in spot duty for Atlanta in '99.
Chris Redman sort of bounced around and was in and out of football between 2004 and 2006, before doing well at the end of '07.
Not saying lots of QBs have been away from football for a couple of years and then played well, but I don't think it's unprecedented, especially if Vick could get a full training camp. Vick was terrific in 2002, and then I think the league did figure him out a little bit. But he was good against in '04 and '06. I wouldn't be shocked if he played alright in '09.
Steve DeBerg was out of football for four years and then played okay in limited time in '98 at the age of 44.
Vince Evans was out for three years before playing well in '87 for the Raiders.
Damon Huard was the third QB for NE in '04 and '05 before his big season in '06 for KC.
Chris Miller was out of football for three years and then did okay in spot duty for Atlanta in '99.
Chris Redman sort of bounced around and was in and out of football between 2004 and 2006, before doing well at the end of '07.
Not saying lots of QBs have been away from football for a couple of years and then played well, but I don't think it's unprecedented, especially if Vick could get a full training camp. Vick was terrific in 2002, and then I think the league did figure him out a little bit. But he was good against in '04 and '06. I wouldn't be shocked if he played alright in '09.
I think people need to get past the dog fighting thing. yes it was terrible and i am a dog owner, but the man spent 2 years in prison for things grown men in the south do EVERY SINGLE DAY. Just ask Clinton Portis. I'm not saying its right, I'm not saying I agree with it, but he has done his time and like any American, deserves the right to resume his profession when he is done serving. If you were a chef, and you got out of prison, you'd go back to cooking. Michael Vick will go back to playing football. I think that he will still be a useful player in the NFL no question. He's been off for 2 years, so his body is probably pretty well taken care of. I'm sure he's been lifting weights and staying in shape in there, hell, he is probably MORE dedicated to training in there then he was when he was a free man going all over the country being the league's most popular player. I'm sure he probably took some things for granted while he was at his apex of popularity. Time will tell.
But the idea that people are going to boycott NFL games because Vick is on their team is hysterically funny to me. Sure, there might be some of those annoying PETA idiots outside picketing, but NFL fans are rabid, there is NO CHANCE that any significant amount of people are going to boycott and not go to their favorite teams games because Vick is on their team. People will get over it. Vick will have to do some sort of apology or start a charity or something and really show that he's sorry, but if he does that, people will forgive him.
But the idea that people are going to boycott NFL games because Vick is on their team is hysterically funny to me. Sure, there might be some of those annoying PETA idiots outside picketing, but NFL fans are rabid, there is NO CHANCE that any significant amount of people are going to boycott and not go to their favorite teams games because Vick is on their team. People will get over it. Vick will have to do some sort of apology or start a charity or something and really show that he's sorry, but if he does that, people will forgive him.
Man who'd fire the Yorks
Footballguy
As I had stated I abhore the things Vick did with the dog fighting but if by chance he were to end up a 49er I would certainly root for him to be successful. People have short memories when it comes to players in the NFL and the things they've done and still be allowed to play. It may take Vick a little longer to be accepted back but I too don't think that people are going to boycott games because he's playing football again. I don't think he'll ever be a top QB but he can be a productive QB and help whatever team he goes to. He'll be 30 in 2010 and could play for 7 or 8 years, who knows. Some team out there is certainly going to inquire about his services, should he be allowed to return to the NFL.
ninerfan
Footballguy
1. People don't need to get past "the dog fighting thing" and, if possible, Clinton Portis should think before he opens his mouth. When he was making a fool out of himself on TV wondering aloud what the big deal was, one of his own teammates was looking at him like he couldn't believe what he was saying.2. Vick may have a right to go back to work but playing in the NFL is a priviledge, not a right. By the way, I never thought Vick was that good anyway.Loopdog said:
3. Those "annoying PETA idiots" do a lot of good for animals. You should take a look at their website to see the work that they do because you obviously have no idea.
I've been a 49ers fan since 1970. If for some reason they ever sign Vick I'll no longer support them in any fashion. Believe me, I've spent a lot of money on 49ers tickets, memorabilia and apparel over the years. If enough 49ers fans share my view the 49ers organization would definitely feel it in their wallets. Having said that, I don't think 49ers fans need to worry about Mr. Vick coming to San Francisco.
PatrickT
Footballguy
Just because Peta's helped some animals, doesn't make them any less annoying idiots. And all the people who will "quit watching the NFL", "stop buying tickets" and "quit playing fantasy football" because of what Vick did, yet continue to support a league that contains Leonard Little have little credibility with me.
Avery
Footballguy
Might throw some more fuel of the "Vick to 49ers" rumor fire, and I know he's a broadcaster now and don't know what if any ties Steve Young still has to the 49ers organization, but Steve Young was tutoring and mentoring Vick a few years back and IIRC, was invited to Falcons camp to do so by Dan Reeves.
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Wrong. Both are idiots, but only one intentionally hurt another living thing. Intent is the key here.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
...and the same one that did it intentionally did it over and over and over again without remorse.
Avery
Footballguy
Point 4 is probably the beat writ writers opinion here. If it's the 49ers opinion as well, they are indeed in trouble.
I don't get it either. Quit watching the NFL because they employ a dogfighter? Does that mean they're okay with the league in its current situation where it employs a rapist and wife-beaters? These actions are okay with these people?
Well James Harrison intentionally hurt his wife and Jerramy Stevens intentionally raped someone. Marvin Harrison tried to shoot someone (the intent was there) and intentionally choked teenage fans. This is a product you can get behind, but when Vick is re-instated you're gonna have a problem?
drummer
Footballguy
I really believe the 49ers think that. The FO is a delusional bunch.
chook
Footballguy
While it's not as long as your good self, I've been following the Niners for over 20 years from across the other side of the world. I've always viewed characters such as Joe Montana, Steve Young and Jerry Rice as the epitome of professional American sportsmen. Vick definitely does not fit this mold, and I'm with you in thinking it would be very hard to continue my support for the organisation were he to sign.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
So we are to believe that someone like Mike Singletary would tolerate someone like Michael Vick on his football team?
Not in a million years.
Not in a million years.
I think Shaun Hill gives them a solid enough option where they feel they don't need to do anything rash (like trade 5 1st rounders for Cassell or pursue a convicted felon like Vick). I don't think anyone believes that Shaun Hill is the QB of the future or anything. Singletary has said as much.Oh, and another article pointing out how ridiculous the Vick speculation is.
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Max Power
Footballguy
Kind of applies to both. Little was charged with a DWI a couple years after killing a lady in a DWI crash. Little has never shown remorse. as has been said before... Human > Dog.Both are terrible people. Little only got a slap on the wrist, Vick did time. I'll forgive Vick before I'd forgive Little, but I guess some of you have your priorities.
Max Power
Footballguy
kellumsboys
Footballguy
I'm sure the animals they tossed in the dumpsters in North Carolina sure appreciated the help.ninerfan said:
Obviously not. These guys looked at the Phillips signing and decided that fit in with what they stood for as fans. Given that they both place such a strong emphasis on character we can only assume that they don't have a problem with beating women.Max Power said:chook said:
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Really. Maybe my memory is faulty but I thought he revived the Giants and the Falcons.Michael Fox said:
