Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Danario Alexander (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Carolina Hustler
- Start date
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Can you call him and ask him for us?
B. Nugget
Footballguy
That is nice, but he was a 4.3 guy before he hurt his knee and was considered the fastest guy on the team for most of his time at Mizzou. He is a long strider, so when he gets up to full speed he looks like a gazelle and is very hard to catch.
Otis
Footballguy
This. Let everyone else fight about MoMass and Brandon Tate and Deion Branch and Josh Morgan and whatever other mediocre talents are on the waiver wire. None of those guys will win a season for you.Him being a STL WR is not a limitation at all. Clayton was around a top-10 WR in standard scoring before he went out for the season. After he went out, Bradford threw 12 completions to Amendola. There is absolutely tons of opportunity for someone here, especially someone with superior physical traits like DA.I see only opportunity here. I remember Boldin's rookie season. He stepped into a team with a mediocre quarterback and no other solid WR options and had one of the most dominating rookie WR seasons ever (aside from maybe only Randy Moss?). In STL now we are talking about a QB with laser accuracy in Bradford. Yes he's a rookie, but he's looked fantastic and helped make that team competitive.Seems like a very Knee Jerk reaction. I kid, I kid. It had to be said given we are talking about a STL WR. Seriously, I think they guy has a ton of talent and if you can get him for free in a dynasty, go for it. I just cut Max Komar for him. Why not? The upside is tremendous. Worst case- he tears his knee again in practice or a game and I drop him. Best case - he catches on, I start him for a week or two and get decent results, then I sell him as soon as I find a taker before the knee blows up. Very low risk.Otis said:
I have a feeling he will fall somewhere in the middle of both scenarios and be a fantasy non-factor who I end up wasting a roster spot on for longer than necessary. Just my
The injury concerns are always concerns, but Frank Gore also dominated in college and then slipped a bunch in the NFL draft based on his injuries. Nobody believed in him either. He's been a top RB in the league for years now.
This is to me one of the most intriguing fantasy prospects in the NFL right now. It's certainly a ton more interesting to me than the guys who are getting all the hype on the waiver wire in recent weeks. Most of those guys will at best turn out to be a WR4 on a good day. Depending on his progress in terms of healing and learning the playbook over the past 6 weeks, I think Alexander has the potential to quickly become the top receiving threat in STL and potentially a top-20 fantasy WR on a weekly basis (if not better).That's how I see it too. Sure, there are concerns but who would you rather have as the WR at the end of your dynasty bench?
I think people are holding off because the guy was just on the practice squad. Meaning, the Rams thought enough of him that they left him open for any team in the league to sign him at any moment. If they were really expecting him to make an impact, he would have stayed on the roster. All those other guys that people talk about have at least been on teams' active roster. I do wish I shared your enthusiasm though. I have him stashed on one league. I just think we can start the clock now for the next injury to hit.Otis said:
Otis
Footballguy
Abrantes
Footballguy
:(
I agree with Coach Otis that there's an opportunity to be seized here. Danario also adds something different to the Rams' receiving corps, which is otherwise made up of supporting players with no clear WR1. Naturally, my concerns are his health and (up to this point) lack of practice time with the first team, but I obviously hope that he tears it up. Definitely something to watch in the upcoming games, if not necessarily this week.
I agree with Coach Otis that there's an opportunity to be seized here. Danario also adds something different to the Rams' receiving corps, which is otherwise made up of supporting players with no clear WR1. Naturally, my concerns are his health and (up to this point) lack of practice time with the first team, but I obviously hope that he tears it up. Definitely something to watch in the upcoming games, if not necessarily this week.
Last edited by a moderator:
JHicks22
Footballguy
Sleeperz
Footballguy
There is a RB in Washington right now that would argue that point with you....
BigJim®
Footballguy
Meh, interesting info but don't we hear that about a lot of WRs before they get tested at the combine? I'm not going to reject adding Alexander at the end of my dynasty bench just because he was reportedly 4.3 pre-injury and ran a 4.46 under a formal test. Also, he had 1781 receiving yards last season at post-ACL surgery speed. It was my understanding the recent procedure was of lesser degree, which makes sense since he was doing a workout and putting up those numbers 3-4 moinths later.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Who would know better than his "good friend"?
B. Nugget
Footballguy
That wasn't my point, but let me break this down a different way. If Chris Johnson came back after an ACL surgery and only was able to run a 4.4, would you say he had his speed back? DA is plenty fast, but he may not be the complete mismatch he was when fully healthy before his career got sidetracked by injuries.
Trust me, I'm a life long Mizzou fan and have seen the guy multiple times up close and in person and he is a stud when fully healthy. I'm 6' and I'm telling you that having stood toe to toe with the guy, there aren't many DBs that can run, jump and out battle him for a ball because of his size and leaping ability. In fact, the last time I saw him (at a basketball game before he went to the Senior Bowl) he was with 5'10" DB Kevin Rutland, who will likely be a late round draft choice and when I saw the two together the very first thing that popped into my head is "there is no way he could stop DA from catching a fade in the endzone".
The problem is that in the NFL, big guys that can catch and jump are a dime a dozen... but 6'4 220 lb WRs with 41 inch verticals and 4.3 speed (with good hands) are rare. That is the difference in him being back to full speed.
Trust me, I'm a life long Mizzou fan and have seen the guy multiple times up close and in person and he is a stud when fully healthy. I'm 6' and I'm telling you that having stood toe to toe with the guy, there aren't many DBs that can run, jump and out battle him for a ball because of his size and leaping ability. In fact, the last time I saw him (at a basketball game before he went to the Senior Bowl) he was with 5'10" DB Kevin Rutland, who will likely be a late round draft choice and when I saw the two together the very first thing that popped into my head is "there is no way he could stop DA from catching a fade in the endzone".
The problem is that in the NFL, big guys that can catch and jump are a dime a dozen... but 6'4 220 lb WRs with 41 inch verticals and 4.3 speed (with good hands) are rare. That is the difference in him being back to full speed.
Last edited by a moderator:
Otis
Footballguy
At 6'5, if he's even back to near full speed (which he apparently may be based on his footrace), he's close enough. He'll be a nightmare to cover.
B. Nugget
Footballguy
Exactly, that is why he was one of my favorite Tigers of all time. He was virtually uncoverable when healthy in 2007.I'm not bagging on the guy, just pointing out he isn't normally a 4.46 guy, so the upside is enormous if he gets back to "full speed".
BigJim®
Footballguy
I see your point, and trust me I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm excited about this development regardless of legitimate cautions being discussed in this thread, and enjoy the discussion. I just wonder if he is unquestionably 'not back to full speed', or whether his 4.3 speed was possibly the same hyperbole we hear all the time about prospects before an official testing. When and how did he test to 4.3? On your comparison, if Chris Johnson went from an NFL combine-timed 4.24 to a similarly official result of 4.4 following injury, yeah, red flag. OTOH if a guy goes from an unoffial 'he's got 4.3 speed' reputation to a formally timed 4.46... not as significant IMHO. Without knowing more about the basis of his 4.3 speed, I don't trust what the 4.46 is being measured against. It happens all the time when disappointing combine times contradict what people expected or had been told a guy would run. Those guys didn't become slower, they were just never officially timed.
Ned
Footballguy
OMG! Ponies!
Footballguy
link?
pghrob
Footballguy
OMG! Ponies!
Footballguy
thanks. for the life of me i couldn't find his twitter page.
GridironMenace
Footballguy
I can't believe that I actually read this entire thread. This thread is a bunch of wasted internet space.
Can't we all just agree that he is a great talent with great potential. With that said he is also as large of an injury risk there is. To those that are hating, stop. To those that are ready to put him in the HoF, stop. Neither camp is basing any of those opinions on fact. He is well worth a dynasty stash, there is absolutely no arguing that. Let time do its magic.
Can't we all just agree that he is a great talent with great potential. With that said he is also as large of an injury risk there is. To those that are hating, stop. To those that are ready to put him in the HoF, stop. Neither camp is basing any of those opinions on fact. He is well worth a dynasty stash, there is absolutely no arguing that. Let time do its magic.
SWC
Bromigo
You seem to have a negative outlook on life and I would urge you to find a hobby that makes you happy and spend time doing it, perhaps model railroading, and then you will be able to interact with others and not feel like life has cheated you and passed you by, and when you feel better you will be feeling healthier and probably be better from a heart-health and blood pressure standpoint so stay strong brother and keep that chin up.GridironMenace said:
GridironMenace
Footballguy
I look at it as adding much needed perspective in this thread that is full of unsubstantiated bickering. If you call that negative, then so be it.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
This thread is very mild in comparison... Have your read any other threads in the SP?..Seemed like healthy discussion in here to me..
D'OHtis
Footballguy
Interested to see what he's got. Not that optimistic on his chances for fantasy value this year, but he's got every opportunity this year with only Robinson/Gibson/Gilyard next to Amendola. Rams definitely have to address their #1 WR spot as Robinson/Gibson struggle to get much seperation.
Last edited by a moderator:
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
Just to be clear, people here are talking about Alexander in very large leagues or leagues with large roster or dynasty, correct?
1) Rookie WRs rarely make a huge impact
2) I am not sure if there are any circumstances of a rookie WR missing all of camp and the first quarter of a season and doing something that year.
3) He did come from Mizzou who runs the spread. As Cecil previously stated, he may not possess the skills to produce when not playing in thd spread. At the very least you would think he would be hard pressed to do anything in his first year.
4) Laurent Robinson produced pairly well in the first part of last year before his injury. So far in his 4 full games as a Ram he has gone 15/170/2 which includes last came coming off the latest injury. Robinson is now listed #1 on the depth chart. Alot of climbing to do.
5) I do live in STL though and hear a decent amount of local radio stuff which included Jim Thomas (Rams most dependable beat writer IMO) saying before the Clayton injury that Alexander's knee had not regained enough strength to be activated to the roster. To me that means a) he was being misled by Rams officals so the Rams could keep Alexander from being signed by another team or b) Alexander is being brought back earlier than they wished.
I really don't see a huge impact from Alexander this year although I hope he really takes off after the weekend they play KC.
1) Rookie WRs rarely make a huge impact
2) I am not sure if there are any circumstances of a rookie WR missing all of camp and the first quarter of a season and doing something that year.
3) He did come from Mizzou who runs the spread. As Cecil previously stated, he may not possess the skills to produce when not playing in thd spread. At the very least you would think he would be hard pressed to do anything in his first year.
4) Laurent Robinson produced pairly well in the first part of last year before his injury. So far in his 4 full games as a Ram he has gone 15/170/2 which includes last came coming off the latest injury. Robinson is now listed #1 on the depth chart. Alot of climbing to do.
5) I do live in STL though and hear a decent amount of local radio stuff which included Jim Thomas (Rams most dependable beat writer IMO) saying before the Clayton injury that Alexander's knee had not regained enough strength to be activated to the roster. To me that means a) he was being misled by Rams officals so the Rams could keep Alexander from being signed by another team or b) Alexander is being brought back earlier than they wished.
I really don't see a huge impact from Alexander this year although I hope he really takes off after the weekend they play KC.
Last edited by a moderator:
ForWhoForWhat
Footballguy
Coach spags was on moving the chains with Tim and pat yesterday on his regular weekly spot. when asked about gilyard stepping into Clayton's role and danario being activated from the ps he basically glossed over gilyard, said he and others would get more reps. He said it's unfortunate that Clayton went down because he and Bradford had built a great chemistry. He said now it's up to Bradford to find that next Guy he's comfortable with, then added that Bradford and danario had clicked well in training camp. Sounded to me like spags has no horse persay and is giving guys an open shot to build a rapport with Sam. Good news for danario
BigJim®
Footballguy
Unless you can give an example of anyone actually 'hating' or 'putting him in the HOF' it seems like an over the top and totally demeaning perspective. Some guys are excited and others are cautious about this player, just like every other NFL player discussed in the SP.
THE FANTASY KING
Footballguy
I just added him in a 53 man roster IDP dynasty league. As you can imagine, pickings are slim for free agents. Sounds like he may be worth an add.
Regards,
THE FANTASY KING
Regards,
THE FANTASY KING
Otis
Footballguy
Big fan of your work here TFK.
Otis
Footballguy
pghrob
Footballguy
My interest in Danario is that he is a very good "buy low" for dynasty with a fairly good # of positive attributes that lend to him possibly paying dividends down the road (next year). He was the best statistical WR in Div. 1-A playing in the Big-12. Sure he has had to overcome repeated huge injuries and that continues as a risk going forward. But he is the kind of project in dynasty that makes this such a fun hobby. Sorry for the Rams that they had so many injuries at WR that they are sort of forced to insert him this year. But any action he gets this season may help them evaluate their depth and talent, and help them decide what moves if any they need to make this coming off season. Maybe they will be pleasantly surprised. If the Danario Alexander experiment fails, it was not at all a huge investment for the Rams or my dynasty team. He seems like a good kid, so I hope it works out for him.
MU Seminole
Footballguy
Alexander might play Sunday for Rams
By R.B. FALLSTROM - AP Sports Writer
2010-10-13 19:11
ST. LOUIS (AP) - Danario Alexander signed with the St. Louis Rams in late August as something of a long-term project, given he was still rehabbing from a fourth operation on his left knee.
Injuries at wide receiver have forced the Rams to alter that timetable, and on Sunday the former Missouri star wide receiver might make his NFL debut against the San Diego Chargers.
Alexander was promoted to the roster from the practice squad earlier this week and was confident after practice Wednesday that the knee was strong enough, and was ready to play special teams if that's where the Rams (2-3) needed him.
``I anticipate playing,'' Alexander said. ``I'm practicing like I will be. We'll see Sunday.''
Coach Steve Spagnuolo was noncommittal about Alexander's chances for playing this week. But he said the 6-5, 220-pounder deserved this shot.
``He knew he had a little bit of a road to overcome,'' Spagnuolo said. ``It was a health issue, but he's kind of worked right in there. I know the guys like him, he's worked hard.''
Teammates razzed Alexander for several minutes, producing embarrassed smiles from the wide receiver, as media crowded around his locker stall around the corner from where players on the active roster dress.
``I'm very excited,'' Alexander said. ``I'm looking forward to the opportunity that they gave me.''
Alexander led the nation with 1,781 yards receiving and was all-Big 12 his senior season at Missouri. He wasn't drafted after getting injured prior to the Senior Bowl but got a four-year contract that included a modest bonus.
After signing with St. Louis on Aug. 22, Alexander lifted weights four times a week and had treatment five times weekly to build strength in a leg that had atrophied since surgery. He's been impressive lately with scout team work on the practice squad, earning the promotion at a position where the Rams had an unsung cast even before Mark Clayton was placed on injured reserve earlier this week with a torn patella tendon in his right knee.
``He's made some spectacular catches,'' quarterback Sam Bradford said. ``He's a big body, he's got a lot of speed. So I'm looking forward to getting him in the rotation and developing a chemistry with him.''
Donnie Avery, the leading receiver last year, went on IR in the preseason with a knee injury.
By R.B. FALLSTROM - AP Sports Writer
2010-10-13 19:11
ST. LOUIS (AP) - Danario Alexander signed with the St. Louis Rams in late August as something of a long-term project, given he was still rehabbing from a fourth operation on his left knee.
Injuries at wide receiver have forced the Rams to alter that timetable, and on Sunday the former Missouri star wide receiver might make his NFL debut against the San Diego Chargers.
Alexander was promoted to the roster from the practice squad earlier this week and was confident after practice Wednesday that the knee was strong enough, and was ready to play special teams if that's where the Rams (2-3) needed him.
``I anticipate playing,'' Alexander said. ``I'm practicing like I will be. We'll see Sunday.''
Coach Steve Spagnuolo was noncommittal about Alexander's chances for playing this week. But he said the 6-5, 220-pounder deserved this shot.
``He knew he had a little bit of a road to overcome,'' Spagnuolo said. ``It was a health issue, but he's kind of worked right in there. I know the guys like him, he's worked hard.''
Teammates razzed Alexander for several minutes, producing embarrassed smiles from the wide receiver, as media crowded around his locker stall around the corner from where players on the active roster dress.
``I'm very excited,'' Alexander said. ``I'm looking forward to the opportunity that they gave me.''
Alexander led the nation with 1,781 yards receiving and was all-Big 12 his senior season at Missouri. He wasn't drafted after getting injured prior to the Senior Bowl but got a four-year contract that included a modest bonus.
After signing with St. Louis on Aug. 22, Alexander lifted weights four times a week and had treatment five times weekly to build strength in a leg that had atrophied since surgery. He's been impressive lately with scout team work on the practice squad, earning the promotion at a position where the Rams had an unsung cast even before Mark Clayton was placed on injured reserve earlier this week with a torn patella tendon in his right knee.
``He's made some spectacular catches,'' quarterback Sam Bradford said. ``He's a big body, he's got a lot of speed. So I'm looking forward to getting him in the rotation and developing a chemistry with him.''
Donnie Avery, the leading receiver last year, went on IR in the preseason with a knee injury.
Wasn't DA brought in at the end of camp and pretty much just continued rehabbing his legs? Did he actually get any real practice time? If not, I'm not sure how they could click except intellectually, yeah?
BigJim®
Footballguy
Yes, DA was only with them the last week of training camp, but I assume he practiced with the team. Seems like the plan all along was to get him to the practice squad and let this be a redshirt type season, but doesn't necessarily mean he was a bystander in pactices at the end of camp. I believe I read in St. Louis newspaper after the signing that Bradford was excited about the signing, being familiar with Danario from his Big 12 days. Makes sense he worked with him even at the end of camp.
lyon812
Footballguy
Article in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/pr...aac2908a0d.html
The nuts and bolts of it:
""The Rams did a great job with me in the training room and the weight room," Alexander said. "I lift weights four days a week and get treatment five days a week. I'm very confident" in the leg.
He spent the first month of the season with the scout team, simulating the upcoming opponent's top wideout. But after Mark Clayton went down last Sunday with a season-ending knee injury, the Rams turned to Alexander.
"A lot of it had to do with what he'd been doing here on this practice field," coach Steve Spagnuolo said. "He knew he had a little bit of a road to overcome, but he's kind of worked right in there. I know the guys like him. He's worked hard. He deserves it."
Despite his practice squad status, Alexander kept up his playbook studies. He gave assurances that he's up to the speed with the offense.
"I know it all," he said. "When I came in I had to get in the playbook so I could get on the field to get where I'm at right now. I've been studying for this opportunity, and I'm going to take advantage of it."
Alexander still is doing scout team work, but he also took snaps with the first-team offense Wednesday.
"I think Danario's done a great job," quarterback Sam Bradford said. "When he was on the scout team, the past couple of weeks he's made some spectacular catches,
some great plays. He's a big body, he's got a lot of speed. So I'm looking forward to getting him in the rotation and developing a chemistry with him."
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/pr...aac2908a0d.html
The nuts and bolts of it:
""The Rams did a great job with me in the training room and the weight room," Alexander said. "I lift weights four days a week and get treatment five days a week. I'm very confident" in the leg.
He spent the first month of the season with the scout team, simulating the upcoming opponent's top wideout. But after Mark Clayton went down last Sunday with a season-ending knee injury, the Rams turned to Alexander.
"A lot of it had to do with what he'd been doing here on this practice field," coach Steve Spagnuolo said. "He knew he had a little bit of a road to overcome, but he's kind of worked right in there. I know the guys like him. He's worked hard. He deserves it."
Despite his practice squad status, Alexander kept up his playbook studies. He gave assurances that he's up to the speed with the offense.
"I know it all," he said. "When I came in I had to get in the playbook so I could get on the field to get where I'm at right now. I've been studying for this opportunity, and I'm going to take advantage of it."
Alexander still is doing scout team work, but he also took snaps with the first-team offense Wednesday.
"I think Danario's done a great job," quarterback Sam Bradford said. "When he was on the scout team, the past couple of weeks he's made some spectacular catches,
some great plays. He's a big body, he's got a lot of speed. So I'm looking forward to getting him in the rotation and developing a chemistry with him."
ForWhoForWhat
Footballguy
Great news, he's already gotten looks with the first team. I'm getting the feeling that Spags and Bradford are not thrilled with Laurent/Gilyard/Gibson and are really pulling for Danario to take this opportunity by the horns and seize it.
lyon812
Footballguy
Yes, Gibson's been criticized because of his inconsistent hands and we all know Robinson has constant injury problems. Some think Gilyard has been disappointing, though his targets have increased since week 1 (last week, of course, due to Clayton). Still, Gibson and Gilyard do offer playmaking ability; Gibson's drops have overshadowed his nice after-the-catch abilities, and Gilyard's primarily been targeted on screens and short passes. I think they get the first shot to step up and do something, meaning Alexander's going to be eased in. Alexander's primary advantage is that he has speed that the others lack--and with the Rams sorely lacking any sort of deep threat, he could get a few targets downfield right away.Those who are banking on him as a deep dynasty flier should be thrilled. The greatest positives are that he's been practicing consistently, learning the playbook, and avoiding any setbacks with his knee.
Alberta Clipper
Footballguy
I took him in 2 leagues with a WR spot that I wasn't really using even on bye wks.
Situations like this will progress rapidly or you'll know you have scraps to recycle within 2 wks IMO.
If he can fill the deep threat Clayton roll they will find a way to work him into games sooner than later.
If you don't already have inj or bye week issues and you have a free spot it's good to try these kind of swing for the fences type moves.
Odds are likely only 1/20 based on available info that he suits up, starts and scores more than 15 fantasy pts ppr this week but if he does he's the new waiver wire/blind bid superstar next week. I'd rather pick him up for free now and just hold the lotto ticket for 1 wk.
I view b tate as a similar lotto ticket.
Situations like this will progress rapidly or you'll know you have scraps to recycle within 2 wks IMO.
If he can fill the deep threat Clayton roll they will find a way to work him into games sooner than later.
If you don't already have inj or bye week issues and you have a free spot it's good to try these kind of swing for the fences type moves.
Odds are likely only 1/20 based on available info that he suits up, starts and scores more than 15 fantasy pts ppr this week but if he does he's the new waiver wire/blind bid superstar next week. I'd rather pick him up for free now and just hold the lotto ticket for 1 wk.
I view b tate as a similar lotto ticket.
Lash
Footballguy
and snatching Devin Aromashodu off waivers!!!!!!
zamboni
Footballguy
I actually think he may be a better bet than Tate. With the Pats, there are already productive options in Welker, Hernandez and now Branch. With the Rams, there isn't a whole lot of competition unless one of Robinson, Gibson or Gilyard steps up (sorry, Joe).
