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Darren McFadden: Dead legs (1 Viewer)

This is one guy I am not going to smart myself out of. Unfortunately I have the 4th pick, so there's no way I get him.

 
I have been asking people for 4 months to watch the Alabama game...I did not see what everyone thinks they see from that example....thanks for the link Fitz.

 
That was seriously one of the weirdest highlight reels I've ever seen. You see every single good play that Arkansas made and yet somehow the scoreboard keeps showing more points for Alabama. There's 4:20 left in the game, Arkansas is winning 38-34, and they show an Alabama running back get stuffed short of a first down. Then the clip switches to the final score of Alabama 41 - Arkansas 38 and the clip ends. McFadden had 32 carries for 194 yards and 2 TDs at one point and I only remembered seeing 7 or 8 runs. I didn't see anything in that clip that disputes the negatives people are claiming for McFadden. I saw a very tall, very fast guy who generally didn't make any sick cuts or do anything that looked very special other than run past some guys who were slower. Sure at the end of his runs he put his head down and ran into guys, usually getting and extra few yards, but I don't think I recall any broken tackles.

In fact, there were a few plays that made me go, wow maybe this guy is great. That was a great cut, he showed great vision, got all the way across the field, made a bunch of guys miss, etc. Then they show the slow motion reply and I can see that it was Felix Jones not McFadden.

 
That was seriously one of the weirdest highlight reels I've ever seen. You see every single good play that Arkansas made and yet somehow the scoreboard keeps showing more points for Alabama. There's 4:20 left in the game, Arkansas is winning 38-34, and they show an Alabama running back get stuffed short of a first down. Then the clip switches to the final score of Alabama 41 - Arkansas 38 and the clip ends. McFadden had 32 carries for 194 yards and 2 TDs at one point and I only remembered seeing 7 or 8 runs. I didn't see anything in that clip that disputes the negatives people are claiming for McFadden. I saw a very tall, very fast guy who generally didn't make any sick cuts or do anything that looked very special other than run past some guys who were slower. Sure at the end of his runs he put his head down and ran into guys, usually getting and extra few yards, but I don't think I recall any broken tackles. In fact, there were a few plays that made me go, wow maybe this guy is great. That was a great cut, he showed great vision, got all the way across the field, made a bunch of guys miss, etc. Then they show the slow motion reply and I can see that it was Felix Jones not McFadden.
One cut and go... DMC was made for the ZBS.
 
The game I watched the most that DMC played in was the game against Missouri at the end of the college season last year. If Missouri can make you look pedestrian, you've got a problem.

Missouri and the spread O was scoring all over people but they weren't really stopping anyone. They stopped DMC...Great year to have the 1.2, 1.3 or 1.4 picks....

 
In fact, there were a few plays that made me go, wow maybe this guy is great. That was a great cut, he showed great vision, got all the way across the field, made a bunch of guys miss, etc. Then they show the slow motion reply and I can see that it was Felix Jones not McFadden.
:unsure: Jones also had two very nice blocks on blitz pickups in there as well.
 
In fact, there were a few plays that made me go, wow maybe this guy is great. That was a great cut, he showed great vision, got all the way across the field, made a bunch of guys miss, etc. Then they show the slow motion reply and I can see that it was Felix Jones not McFadden.
:moneybag: Jones also had two very nice blocks on blitz pickups in there as well.
And to be quite honest, I came into this with some preconceived notions. I figured McFadden put up some crazy numbers and couldn't possibly be the high risk that people were making him out to be. And, I didn't exactly think much of Jones. I figured it was probably easy to put up gaudy stats when everyone was worried about McFadden. But, at least in the clip linked by the OP I thought Jones looked phenomenal. I worry that he might be a tad on the small side but he sure looked like a legit player.
 
The game I watched the most that DMC played in was the game against Missouri at the end of the college season last year. If Missouri can make you look pedestrian, you've got a problem. Missouri and the spread O was scoring all over people but they weren't really stopping anyone. They stopped DMC...Great year to have the 1.2, 1.3 or 1.4 picks....
Don't forget that Houston Nutt had just been let go, and he and DMC were very close. He brought him in and fashioned the offense around him. Losing Nutt for that ball game likely had a huge impact on his performance.
 
In fact, there were a few plays that made me go, wow maybe this guy is great. That was a great cut, he showed great vision, got all the way across the field, made a bunch of guys miss, etc. Then they show the slow motion reply and I can see that it was Felix Jones not McFadden.
:lmao: Jones also had two very nice blocks on blitz pickups in there as well.
And to be quite honest, I came into this with some preconceived notions. I figured McFadden put up some crazy numbers and couldn't possibly be the high risk that people were making him out to be. And, I didn't exactly think much of Jones. I figured it was probably easy to put up gaudy stats when everyone was worried about McFadden. But, at least in the clip linked by the OP I thought Jones looked phenomenal. I worry that he might be a tad on the small side but he sure looked like a legit player.
Jones has a great highlight reel somewhere on YouTube. He's like lightning in a bottle. I think his role next to Barber is custom perfection since they're both similar in that way. ...& as for McFadden. Some people on this board made their assumption months ago based on what Mayock and a couple of clips said. If you've watched a good number of Arkansas games you'd know that he's a very physical, sometimes violent runner and blocker. ...and as Fitz said earlier, I can't think of a better player in the draft for the ZBS. McFadden's that 'hated' guy this year because he's the only 'sure top 5' offensive pick of '08's draft. I've been a big McFadden fan since his sophomore year and even I got annoyed watching him on every flippin' football & draft program for the last 3 or 4 months. ...this is just the fallout. You had to have seen it coming. Mix that with the fact he was drafted by the Raiders and it's a pretty bitter situation for some.Fantasy-wise, the main McFadden negative I see is him being used like Willy Parker in Pitt... between the 20's, then giving way to Bush in the redzone.
 
The game I watched the most that DMC played in was the game against Missouri at the end of the college season last year. If Missouri can make you look pedestrian, you've got a problem.

Missouri and the spread O was scoring all over people but they weren't really stopping anyone. They stopped DMC...Great year to have the 1.2, 1.3 or 1.4 picks....
One thing hardly mentioned are the 8-9 man fronts McFadden/Jones saw ...& Mendenhall/Stewart never dreamed of. Arkansas had NO passing game at that point in the season.The Missouri game was probably one of his worst of '07, but if you'd like to judge him on that (21c, 105 yd, 1TD) ..be my guest.

Just don't forget that besides USC, Mendenhall only dominated awful rush D's in his only good season as a collegiate.

 
That was seriously one of the weirdest highlight reels I've ever seen. You see every single good play that Arkansas made and yet somehow the scoreboard keeps showing more points for Alabama. There's 4:20 left in the game, Arkansas is winning 38-34, and they show an Alabama running back get stuffed short of a first down. Then the clip switches to the final score of Alabama 41 - Arkansas 38 and the clip ends. McFadden had 32 carries for 194 yards and 2 TDs at one point and I only remembered seeing 7 or 8 runs. I didn't see anything in that clip that disputes the negatives people are claiming for McFadden. I saw a very tall, very fast guy who generally didn't make any sick cuts or do anything that looked very special other than run past some guys who were slower. Sure at the end of his runs he put his head down and ran into guys, usually getting and extra few yards, but I don't think I recall any broken tackles. In fact, there were a few plays that made me go, wow maybe this guy is great. That was a great cut, he showed great vision, got all the way across the field, made a bunch of guys miss, etc. Then they show the slow motion reply and I can see that it was Felix Jones not McFadden.
Right, I stopped watching. It looks like Alabama is getting crushed only they are up 21 - 0 and we haven't seen a TD yet. I quit watching because I was not getting and unbiased view of the game. It is hard to draw any conclusions from this clip.
 
Right, I stopped watching. It looks like Alabama is getting crushed only they are up 21 - 0 and we haven't seen a TD yet. I quit watching because I was not getting and unbiased view of the game. It is hard to draw any conclusions from this clip.
The only conclusions you were meant to draw were regarding DMC's supposed dead legs. This was just one game, but there were at least seven or eight instances in this video where he piles through tacklers for extra yards. The kid runs hard, plain and simple.And as far as Felix Jones goes, I wonder how he would have fared if he were the one trying to soften the defense up with 32 carries instead of coming in with fresh legs in the latter points of games. He may not have looked nearly as explosive as he seemed.
 
Right, I stopped watching. It looks like Alabama is getting crushed only they are up 21 - 0 and we haven't seen a TD yet. I quit watching because I was not getting and unbiased view of the game. It is hard to draw any conclusions from this clip.
The only conclusions you were meant to draw were regarding DMC's supposed dead legs. This was just one game, but there were at least seven or eight instances in this video where he piles through tacklers for extra yards. The kid runs hard, plain and simple.
See, this is good stuff and you're a guy who uses his own brain to form conclusions. Mayock said something and i've heard alot of people here saying words I would have sworn are direct quotes from Mayock. It's a good idea to use your own eyes, Mayock dislikes everyone and will go so far as to make things up in order to have a gripe. McFadden does run hard and does churn his legs and can break tackles. Some of us geeks here need to stop hearing Mayock and being followers, I don't mind Mayock saying it, just can't stand hearing other people sound like they're repeating Mayock and take his words as scripture.
 
That was seriously one of the weirdest highlight reels I've ever seen. You see every single good play that Arkansas made and yet somehow the scoreboard keeps showing more points for Alabama. There's 4:20 left in the game, Arkansas is winning 38-34, and they show an Alabama running back get stuffed short of a first down. Then the clip switches to the final score of Alabama 41 - Arkansas 38 and the clip ends. McFadden had 32 carries for 194 yards and 2 TDs at one point and I only remembered seeing 7 or 8 runs. I didn't see anything in that clip that disputes the negatives people are claiming for McFadden. I saw a very tall, very fast guy who generally didn't make any sick cuts or do anything that looked very special other than run past some guys who were slower. Sure at the end of his runs he put his head down and ran into guys, usually getting and extra few yards, but I don't think I recall any broken tackles. In fact, there were a few plays that made me go, wow maybe this guy is great. That was a great cut, he showed great vision, got all the way across the field, made a bunch of guys miss, etc. Then they show the slow motion reply and I can see that it was Felix Jones not McFadden.
Right, I stopped watching. It looks like Alabama is getting crushed only they are up 21 - 0 and we haven't seen a TD yet. I quit watching because I was not getting and unbiased view of the game. It is hard to draw any conclusions from this clip.
Wow, this icon was placed on the site for post just like this. :whoosh:
 
And as far as Felix Jones goes, I wonder how he would have fared if he were the one trying to soften the defense up with 32 carries instead of coming in with fresh legs in the latter points of games. He may not have looked nearly as explosive as he seemed.
There certainly were instances where he benefitted from coming in late in the game. But there were also instances where he was in the game early and ripped off long runs against fresh defenses.for instance

versus USC

- 1:29 in, 1st quarter, 14:05 on the clock

- 1:38 in, 2nd quarter, 4:19 on the clock

versus Vanderbilt

- 1:53 in, 2nd quarter, 5:09 on the clock (runs over a few people at the end too)

- 2:02 in, 2nd quarter, 3:47 on the clock (TD)

versus Tenn

- 3:01 in, 2nd quarter, 13:04 on the clock

versus LSU

- 3:20 in, 1st quarter, 10:27 on the clock

versus Wisconsin

- 4:20 in, 1st quarter, 9:31 on the clock (TD)

- 4:32 in, 2nd quarter, 0:21 on the clock

There are more in there, and I'm not saying it didn't help that he had fresh legs at times, but to say the only reason he did well was because McFadden softened up the defense is an uninformed comment.

Oh - and if you like GREAT footwork - watch the run at 6:29

 
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The game I watched the most that DMC played in was the game against Missouri at the end of the college season last year. If Missouri can make you look pedestrian, you've got a problem.

Missouri and the spread O was scoring all over people but they weren't really stopping anyone. They stopped DMC...Great year to have the 1.2, 1.3 or 1.4 picks....
One thing hardly mentioned are the 8-9 man fronts McFadden/Jones saw ...& Mendenhall/Stewart never dreamed of. Arkansas had NO passing game at that point in the season.The Missouri game was probably one of his worst of '07, but if you'd like to judge him on that (21c, 105 yd, 1TD) ..be my guest.

Just don't forget that besides USC, Mendenhall only dominated awful rush D's in his only good season as a collegiate.
Seriously man, did you even watch any of the Oregon games? It's cool if you want to add that every team that Arkansas faced was concerned with stopping DMC and Jones first and foremost, resulting in 8-9 man fronts, but don't ruin the credibility of your post by implying that defenses facing Oregon were doing anything other than praying that Dixon would throw the ball instead of keeping it in his hands or putting into the hands of Stewart. Thats just a plain silly statement that borders on foolishness.
 
Right, I stopped watching. It looks like Alabama is getting crushed only they are up 21 - 0 and we haven't seen a TD yet. I quit watching because I was not getting and unbiased view of the game. It is hard to draw any conclusions from this clip.
The only conclusions you were meant to draw were regarding DMC's supposed dead legs. This was just one game, but there were at least seven or eight instances in this video where he piles through tacklers for extra yards. The kid runs hard, plain and simple.
See, this is good stuff and you're a guy who uses his own brain to form conclusions. Mayock said something and i've heard alot of people here saying words I would have sworn are direct quotes from Mayock. It's a good idea to use your own eyes, Mayock dislikes everyone and will go so far as to make things up in order to have a gripe. McFadden does run hard and does churn his legs and can break tackles. Some of us geeks here need to stop hearing Mayock and being followers, I don't mind Mayock saying it, just can't stand hearing other people sound like they're repeating Mayock and take his words as scripture.
Plenty of folk around here were talking about McFadden's skinny legs and lack of leg drive before Mayock was... it may have gotten worse since Mayock, but it was around before...
 
That was seriously one of the weirdest highlight reels I've ever seen. You see every single good play that Arkansas made and yet somehow the scoreboard keeps showing more points for Alabama. There's 4:20 left in the game, Arkansas is winning 38-34, and they show an Alabama running back get stuffed short of a first down. Then the clip switches to the final score of Alabama 41 - Arkansas 38 and the clip ends. McFadden had 32 carries for 194 yards and 2 TDs at one point and I only remembered seeing 7 or 8 runs. I didn't see anything in that clip that disputes the negatives people are claiming for McFadden. I saw a very tall, very fast guy who generally didn't make any sick cuts or do anything that looked very special other than run past some guys who were slower. Sure at the end of his runs he put his head down and ran into guys, usually getting and extra few yards, but I don't think I recall any broken tackles. In fact, there were a few plays that made me go, wow maybe this guy is great. That was a great cut, he showed great vision, got all the way across the field, made a bunch of guys miss, etc. Then they show the slow motion reply and I can see that it was Felix Jones not McFadden.
Right, I stopped watching. It looks like Alabama is getting crushed only they are up 21 - 0 and we haven't seen a TD yet. I quit watching because I was not getting and unbiased view of the game. It is hard to draw any conclusions from this clip.
Wow, this icon was placed on the site for post just like this. :football:
;)
 
That was seriously one of the weirdest highlight reels I've ever seen. You see every single good play that Arkansas made and yet somehow the scoreboard keeps showing more points for Alabama. There's 4:20 left in the game, Arkansas is winning 38-34, and they show an Alabama running back get stuffed short of a first down. Then the clip switches to the final score of Alabama 41 - Arkansas 38 and the clip ends. McFadden had 32 carries for 194 yards and 2 TDs at one point and I only remembered seeing 7 or 8 runs. I didn't see anything in that clip that disputes the negatives people are claiming for McFadden. I saw a very tall, very fast guy who generally didn't make any sick cuts or do anything that looked very special other than run past some guys who were slower. Sure at the end of his runs he put his head down and ran into guys, usually getting and extra few yards, but I don't think I recall any broken tackles. In fact, there were a few plays that made me go, wow maybe this guy is great. That was a great cut, he showed great vision, got all the way across the field, made a bunch of guys miss, etc. Then they show the slow motion reply and I can see that it was Felix Jones not McFadden.
Right, I stopped watching. It looks like Alabama is getting crushed only they are up 21 - 0 and we haven't seen a TD yet. I quit watching because I was not getting and unbiased view of the game. It is hard to draw any conclusions from this clip.
Wow, this icon was placed on the site for post just like this. :lmao:
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I thought his view was pretty self explanatory. Showing a highlight clip of a team's best plays isn't gonna give us an idea of how well one player can take contact. I'd rather see his 3 yard or 4 yard up the middle runs to determine what sort of power he has. Running over a 170 pound cornerback tells me nothing of a player's leg strength, especially when that corner still makes the tackle. DMC may turn out of be a great player and honestly, if he does it will be in a system like Oakland's. The one cut and turn on the jets will work well with their scheme, but don't tell me a guy has leg strength because he got a few extra yards from contact with a DB 6 times in one game.
 
Chicken Legs and Fumbles: Knock, Knock, Knocking on Darren McFadden's Door

by alex chavez (Scribe)

May 12, 2008

The three main knocks on Darren McFadden are his large number of fumbles last season, his thin legs, and his character/family problems. Let’s take a quick yet comprehensive look at each.

Chicken Legs

The skinny legs comments are ridiculous, yet hilarious when you look at who the triumphant Raider running back was last season. Justin Fargas has skinny legs. He had one of the most successful rushing campaigns in recent memory. He performed better than thick-legged Lamont Jordan and average-legged Dominic Rhodes.

Seriously, leg thickness? Are all runners supposed to be thunderous Steven Jacksons? Remember Marcus Allen? Marshall Faulk? Robert Smith? Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee, and Willie Parker all have less than impressive lower bodies.

McFadden will get his yards not by running over people, but by hitting holes quickly, stiff-arming some people, lowering his shoulder on others, and outrunning many.

Bangers are the ones sitting on the disabled list too often.

Remember McFadden ran 325 times last year through some of the best defenses in the nation in the SEC. He obviously has some power in those legs, as was further evidenced by his impressive broad jump numbers in the NFL Combine.

Fumbles

I went through the Arkansas Razorbacks’ play-by-play gamelogs from last year to determine when McFadden’s fumbles occurred. I did this because I knew McFadden lined up as a quarterback often enough in the Razorbacks’ offense. He also returned kickoffs. Not all fumbles are created equally, so let’s find out how these fumbles were distributed.

Fumbles as a running back: 5 fumbles in 325 carries.

Fumbles as a quarterback: 5 fumbles.

Fumbles as a kickoff returner: 5 fumbles.

Suddenly the 15 fumbles of the 2007 season don’t seem like such a huge deal.

As a quarterback, McFadden fumbled a few snaps and handoffs that he fell on and recovered. I would guess that the other fumbles were simply McFadden not focusing enough on the ball, instead trying to see where the running lane was. Some of his QB carries consisted of draws and option plays that didn’t have specifically designed lanes to run through.

From a Razorbacks fan:

“He did have some fumbles in his career but with the exception of last year's LSU game [where 2 fumbles came as a kick returner] I believe that they were at the beginning of each season and could be contributed to the bonehead coach not allowing him to be hit in practice.”

From CBS.Sporstline.com’s profile:

“Protects the ball well in traffic, but most of his turnovers come on improper ball distribution in the open … Also has a high amount of fumbles fielding the kickoff, as he tends to run before securing the ball …”

McFadden is simply not very good at returning kicks. His 19.8 average was certainly underwhelming. His longest return was 33 yards – rather pathetic when you realize he faced Troy , Florida International, Chattanooga , and North Texas . McFadden’s kickoff return fumbles are an extension of the fact he is not very good at this.

Yes, McFadden will need to hone his ball security in the NFL. During Darren’s pre-draft visit to Oakland, running backs coach Tom Rathman pointed out a way Darren can improve that aspect of his running game. Yet this isn’t a player who fumbles every handful of rushes. Five fumbles in 325 standard running carries is nothing alarming. Fargas fumbled three times in 222 carries last season.

Character

As for his questionable family members’ lifestyles, and thus his character concerns, it’s been said before and I echo the sentiment that to have all that chaos so closely around you, yet come out on top and above it all is the most impressive thing a person in that situation could possibly demonstrate.

If he can resist the temptation of his own family messing around with drugs and a nonsense lifestyle, he can certainly handle himself away from all of that as his employment environment and age mature.

The worst thing on his rap sheet is being handcuffed and quickly released when things got a bit rowdy at a piano bar he was in. Yawn. He also has two kids out of wedlock, though some tests are still being taken to determine the validity of each case.

Parenting is certainly of monumental importance, but it would be unfair to say that McFadden will be any less of a parent than most NFL players. For all we know he'll be around and take great care of them. Again, nothing alarming here.

Quotes: P.S. He’s NOT Reggie Bush.

Here are some notable quotes on McFadden from talented evaluator Charles Casserly. It was Casserly, remember, who opted to take Mario Williams for his Texans over Reggie Bush and Vince Young.

"[McFadden] will run inside, and he's bigger," Casserly said. "He's not a power back, but when I watch him, there's no reluctance to run inside. At times, he'll miss the hole, but I've seen him lower his shoulder and knock a safety or linebacker back. He has more production against better teams than Bush. Pac-10 defenses weren't very good. [McFadden] has played in the SEC against the best college teams in the country and he's been productive over a three-year period. I think that's the clear difference."

From his CBS.Sportsline.com profile:

"Plays with good toughness, lowering his head and driving hard with his legs after contact … Can bounce off tackles and gives good second effort when his initial move fails … Willing blocker who shows the ability to pick up blitzes and will chip defenders with good intent and purpose … Has the field vision and awareness to find the open crease and excels at anticipating cutback lanes … Highly respected by the staff and teammates, demonstrating a solid work ethic."

From another SEC fan: “I’ve watched the majority of his career since I live in the south so SEC and ACC games are on a lot. McFadden has power…there are plenty of times he goes fullspeed into 2 guys and drags them a few yards before goin down. They’re just the 6-10 yard runs that don't make the reel [because] he has so many 30+ and 40+ runs.”

My Take

He is not Adrian Peterson or Reggie Bush. Each of those two has completely different running styles than Darren McFadden.

It is unlikley that McFadden will bully his way to 250-yard rushing days. However, McFadden also runs in a way that's less conducive to injuries. He may play more games in his career than Peterson.

As for the Bush comparisons, McFadden is not a passive, dancing runner. He hits the hole hard and is custom-made for Oakland's one-cut system so long as he demonstrates a shred of patience.

McFadden's rookie-season numbers will not be eye-popping. This will be due to his sharing carries with Justin Fargas and Michael Bush. However, McFadden will likely lead the running backs in yards per carry and longest gain. He will likely also lead them in catches, receiving yards, and touchdown catches.

By 2009, McFadden will be getting most of the carries on this team and be on his way to producing 1,800 combined rushing and receiving yard seasons; along with the occasional backbreaking, game-icing 70-yard run.

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Saw this on a Raiders message board. It's from a chat with Adam Caplan, one of the scout.com draft analysts:

<dhohenshil> Is Darren McFadden better than Adrian Peterson?Adam Caplan: DH: Not even half the playerAdam Caplan: fans have no ideaAdam Caplan: McFadden doesn't look very good on coaching tapeAdam Caplan: he falls down after one hit way too muchAdam Caplan: he's an open hole runnerAdam Caplan: with great speed
As for the McFadden puff piece:
Seriously, leg thickness? Are all runners supposed to be thunderous Steven Jacksons? Remember Marcus Allen? Marshall Faulk? Robert Smith? Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee, and Willie Parker all have less than impressive lower bodies.
Here's the BMI of the players in question:Marcus Allen - 27.0Marshall Faulk - 30.3 Robert Smith - 27.0Clinton Portis - 31.1Willis McGahee - 31.5Willie Parker - 30.0Darren McFadden - 27.7McFadden is physically comparable to Allen and Smith. Allen played in a different era and Smith was hardly an elite NFL player. I would say Smith is a much better expectation comparison for DMC than Peterson.
 
Tell me, does BMI measure heart, desire and commitment? Comparing Robert Smith to DMC is an absolute joke.I was on the fence about DMC going to the Raiders until Kiffin came out after the draft and explained why HE convinced the Raiders brass to take him. Yes, you heard that right. Kiffin was DMC's main proponent. Kiff is gonna use this kid like Reggie Bush at USC.Expect 10-12 carries and 3-8 catches per game in year one, including many plays from the slot WR position.IF Jamarcus can step up and be an effective QB and IF the Raiders OLine can be just avg at pass protection, you're gonna see a lot of good things from kid Kiff and his new toys.
 
Tell me, does BMI measure heart, desire and commitment? Comparing Robert Smith to DMC is an absolute joke.
All the heart and commitment in the world can't make you an elite athlete unless you were already born with freakish natural gifts. DMC's shortcomings are a matter of body type and instincts, neither of which can be corrected by heart. As for Robert Smith, most RB's would be lucky to have his career.
I was on the fence about DMC going to the Raiders until Kiffin came out after the draft and explained why HE convinced the Raiders brass to take him. Yes, you heard that right. Kiffin was DMC's main proponent. Kiff is gonna use this kid like Reggie Bush at USC.
FWIW, Dominic Rhodes said just the opposite after the draft. He said Kiffin didn't want to draft a RB, implying that it was the mummy's call to take DMC. Whether or not that's accurate is impossible to say, but it's an interesting tidbit.
Expect 10-12 carries and 3-8 catches per game in year one, including many plays from the slot WR position.
10-18 touches is a reasonable prediction. I think people calling him the best prospect in the draft and the best RB in the past 20 years are going to be disappointed. I'll be very surprised if he's an elite workhorse RB in the NFL. He's more of a commitee type back IMO.
 
That was seriously one of the weirdest highlight reels I've ever seen. You see every single good play that Arkansas made and yet somehow the scoreboard keeps showing more points for Alabama. There's 4:20 left in the game, Arkansas is winning 38-34, and they show an Alabama running back get stuffed short of a first down. Then the clip switches to the final score of Alabama 41 - Arkansas 38 and the clip ends. McFadden had 32 carries for 194 yards and 2 TDs at one point and I only remembered seeing 7 or 8 runs. I didn't see anything in that clip that disputes the negatives people are claiming for McFadden. I saw a very tall, very fast guy who generally didn't make any sick cuts or do anything that looked very special other than run past some guys who were slower. Sure at the end of his runs he put his head down and ran into guys, usually getting and extra few yards, but I don't think I recall any broken tackles. In fact, there were a few plays that made me go, wow maybe this guy is great. That was a great cut, he showed great vision, got all the way across the field, made a bunch of guys miss, etc. Then they show the slow motion reply and I can see that it was Felix Jones not McFadden.
Right, I stopped watching. It looks like Alabama is getting crushed only they are up 21 - 0 and we haven't seen a TD yet. I quit watching because I was not getting and unbiased view of the game. It is hard to draw any conclusions from this clip.
Wow, this icon was placed on the site for post just like this. :thumbup:
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If you want to draw conclusion from 7-8 plays from one game that is up to you. I think you are the ones missing the point. When you look at a RB you HAVE to look at the whole body of work. By the way, I have not formed an opinion on him yet :lmao:
 
Tell me, does BMI measure heart, desire and commitment? Comparing Robert Smith to DMC is an absolute joke.
All the heart and commitment in the world can't make you an elite athlete unless you were already born with freakish natural gifts. DMC's shortcomings are a matter of body type and instincts, neither of which can be corrected by heart. As for Robert Smith, most RB's would be lucky to have his career.
I was on the fence about DMC going to the Raiders until Kiffin came out after the draft and explained why HE convinced the Raiders brass to take him. Yes, you heard that right. Kiffin was DMC's main proponent. Kiff is gonna use this kid like Reggie Bush at USC.
FWIW, Dominic Rhodes said just the opposite after the draft. He said Kiffin didn't want to draft a RB, implying that it was the mummy's call to take DMC. Whether or not that's accurate is impossible to say, but it's an interesting tidbit.
Expect 10-12 carries and 3-8 catches per game in year one, including many plays from the slot WR position.
10-18 touches is a reasonable prediction. I think people calling him the best prospect in the draft and the best RB in the past 20 years are going to be disappointed. I'll be very surprised if he's an elite workhorse RB in the NFL. He's more of a commitee type back IMO.
Should we be surprised that a head coach would tell one of his RB's that he wasn't for drafting another RB?He was the best offensive prospect in the draft and I don't see anyone claiming he's the best RB in 20 years. He'll be a good starting RB, how good remains to be seen but he's got top 5 potential.
 
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Tell me, does BMI measure heart, desire and commitment? Comparing Robert Smith to DMC is an absolute joke.
All the heart and commitment in the world can't make you an elite athlete unless you were already born with freakish natural gifts. DMC's shortcomings are a matter of body type and instincts, neither of which can be corrected by heart. As for Robert Smith, most RB's would be lucky to have his career.
I was on the fence about DMC going to the Raiders until Kiffin came out after the draft and explained why HE convinced the Raiders brass to take him. Yes, you heard that right. Kiffin was DMC's main proponent. Kiff is gonna use this kid like Reggie Bush at USC.
FWIW, Dominic Rhodes said just the opposite after the draft. He said Kiffin didn't want to draft a RB, implying that it was the mummy's call to take DMC. Whether or not that's accurate is impossible to say, but it's an interesting tidbit.
Expect 10-12 carries and 3-8 catches per game in year one, including many plays from the slot WR position.
10-18 touches is a reasonable prediction. I think people calling him the best prospect in the draft and the best RB in the past 20 years are going to be disappointed. I'll be very surprised if he's an elite workhorse RB in the NFL. He's more of a commitee type back IMO.
Should we be surprised that a head coach would tell one of his RB's that he wasn't for drafting another RB?He was the best offensive prospect in the draft and I don't see anyone claiming he's the best RB in 20 years. He'll be a good starting RB, how good remains to be seen but he's got top 5 potential.
Why would it matter? They knew they were getting rid of Rhodes anyway, Rhodes probably knew they were getting rid of Rhodes. And whats Kiffin supposed to say when asked why they took DMC in the draft, "O dont ask me, I never wanted that chicken legged stick body to start with...that was all Al"? Wise up
 
Here's the quote from Rhodes:

I don't really think Lane Kiffin wanted to take a running back in the first round, let's just put it like that ... he has to deal with it now, but I don't think that's what he wanted to do.
He doesn't say Kiffin promised him anything. He just says he doesn't think Kiffin wanted to take a RB. http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2008/04...&frame=true
You'd think the way some people drool over this guy that he's already in the H.O.F.Count me on EBFs side in that I don't think he will ever be considered an elite fantasy RB. RB1 upside (ETA: to clarify, I mean top 12 RB from year-to-year), sure, but he's not the next LT, Faulk, Dickerson, Allen, or Peterson (statistically speaking)

 
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Here's the quote from Rhodes:

I don't really think Lane Kiffin wanted to take a running back in the first round, let's just put it like that ... he has to deal with it now, but I don't think that's what he wanted to do.
He doesn't say Kiffin promised him anything. He just says he doesn't think Kiffin wanted to take a RB. http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2008/04...&frame=true
You'd think the way some people drool over this guy that he's already in the H.O.F.Count me on EBFs side in that I don't think he will ever be considered an elite fantasy RB. RB1 upside (ETA: to clarify, I mean top 12 RB from year-to-year), sure, but he's not the next LT, Faulk, Dickerson, Allen, or Peterson (statistically speaking)
If you think he has top 12 upside, you are clearly not on EBF's "side". You have to log in hundreds of hours of Mcfadden bashing before you can be on his side.
 
Here's the quote from Rhodes:

I don't really think Lane Kiffin wanted to take a running back in the first round, let's just put it like that ... he has to deal with it now, but I don't think that's what he wanted to do.
He doesn't say Kiffin promised him anything. He just says he doesn't think Kiffin wanted to take a RB. http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2008/04...&frame=true
I see your Rhodes quote and raise you a Kiffin quote...No debate among Oakland brass about McFadden

Raiders able to land Arkansas running back with No. 4 pick overall

By PHIL BARBER

THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

ALAMEDA -- Before draft day, there was plenty of talk about the Raiders trading down, out of the No. 4 spot in the first round, to gain additional picks. As it turned out, they nearly traded up. That's how badly they wanted Darren McFadden.

"At one point, where we thought somebody else was going to go up and get him, we were going to try to beat them," coach Lane Kiffin said Saturday. "Fortunately, the information we ended up with was accurate, that he would be there (at No. 4), and it worked out perfect."

A majority of mock drafts had McFadden landing in Oakland, but it didn't necessarily make sense. Kiffin acknowledged as recently as Thursday that the backfield was the least of his needs. But McFadden's combination of speed, strength, agility and pass-catching ability was simply too much to bypass.

"It was not a need, but it became a situation. . . . Speaking for myself, I knew months ago that this was the guy that we had to have, and we had to figure out a way to get him," Kiffin said.

That explanation exploded many of the notions that have been hovering over the Raiders of late. The accepted theory was that owner Al Davis was agog over McFadden, while Kiffin and his scouting department figured it made more sense to go for a defensive lineman like LSU's Glenn Dorsey or Ohio State's Vernon Gholston.

Both of those defenders were on the board when Oakland made its choice. But to hear Kiffin tell it, there was no debate at that point. McFadden became the Raiders' highest-drafted running back ever. The three others selected in the first round went at No. 7 (Tony Lorick, 1964), No. 10 (Marcus Allen, 1982) and No. 18 (Napoleon Kaufman, 1995).

The Raiders made only one selection Saturday. They traded their second-round choice to Atlanta for cornerback DeAngelo Hall, and did not complete any late-hour deals for another second-rounder.

McFadden was a two-time Heisman runner-up at Arkansas, where he rushed for 4,590 yards and scored 44 touchdowns in three seasons. He caught 46 passes for 365 yards in an offense that didn't throw to the backs a whole lot, threw seven touchdown passes (often on direct snaps) and returned a kickoff for a score.

Watching him on film, Kiffin couldn't help but make an association to another dynamic college tailback: Reggie Bush, Kiffin's prodigy at USC. "Yeah, he does have a lot of similarities to Reggie, because he is a dynamic pass-catcher as well," Kiffin said. "Obviously, the speed and acceleration. You can use him outside (as a split end). . . . There's a lot of options to explore."

"I like the way he uses his running backs," McFadden said from New York on a conference call. "When he was at USC he moved his running backs around a lot. I just love the way he does that. I feel it's something I can bring to Oakland, being a versatile player."

Kiffin noted that the Raiders generated a lot of interest in the fourth pick, but said most of the teams that came calling seemed to be more interested in Dorsey. The Raiders didn't budge, refused to discuss trades for McFadden after they got him, and watched division rival Kansas City select Dor-sey with the following pick.

"Glenn's a great player," Kiffin said. "I actually was hoping he wasn't going right after us, so we've got to play him twice a year."

Not that Kiffin didn't acknowledge his good fortune. Many self-anointed draft experts had McFadden rated as the top athlete on the board. But none of the teams choosing ahead of Oakland -- the Dolphins, Rams and Falcons -- needed a running back.

Less fortunate, perhaps, were Justin Fargas, Dominic Rhodes and Michael Bush -- the other members of the Raiders' fleet of runners. (LaMont Jordan is there, too, but will probably be traded.) Fargas recently signed a contract extension and got $6 million guaranteed. Rhodes finished the 2007 season with a pair of 100-yard games, and Bush is supposedly healthy and ready to vie for carries. Now all of them are shoved to the back seat.

McFadden, meanwhile, is mentioned in the same breath with Adrian Peterson, who rushed for 1,341 yards as a rookie with the Vikings last year.

Unlike Peterson, however, McFadden carried some personal baggage into the draft. He was involved in two public brawls in Arkansas over the last two years, getting handcuffed after one of them and breaking his toe in the other (though he was arrested at neither). He also has admitted to at least two out-of-wedlock children, to different mothers. The Raiders' investigation didn't scare the team off.

"You look at the off-field issues, and there are some things there," Kiffin said. "They've been based on other people's actions that have brought him into them. What was very important to me the first time I sat down with him, I wanted to know was he going to make excuses for them, or was he going to be accountable for them?"

According to Kiffin, McFadden took responsibility for the incidents and called them mistakes, rather than trying to rationalize them. When the Raiders were on the clock, Kiffin called McFadden one more time and asked for assurances that the back understands what is now expected of him. McFadden agreed, and joined quarterback JaMarcus Russell and wide receiver Javon Walker in a suddenly interesting offense.

In fact, in his first chat with Bay Area reporters, McFadden sounded just one discordant note. He admitted that he was a Broncos fan growing up, rooting for Terrell Davis, John Elway, Ed McCaffrey and Shannon Sharpe.

Asked if he had divulged that information to Al Davis in their face-to-face meeting, he laughed and said: "No, sir, not at all."

Now Davis knows. But if McFadden is the player the owner thinks he is, all will be forgiven.

You can reach Staff Writer Phil Barber at 521-5263 or phil.barber@pressdemocrat.com.

 
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Saw this on a Raiders message board. It's from a chat with Adam Caplan, one of the scout.com draft analysts:

<dhohenshil> Is Darren McFadden better than Adrian Peterson?

Adam Caplan: DH: Not even half the player

Adam Caplan: fans have no idea

Adam Caplan: McFadden doesn't look very good on coaching tape

Adam Caplan: he falls down after one hit way too much

Adam Caplan: he's an open hole runner

Adam Caplan: with great speed
Here's some more Caplan quotes. He seems to think he'll be fine.
Lee_Russakoff: Is McFadden this year’s Adrian Peterson or this year’s Ki-Jana Carter?

Adam_Caplan: Lee: He's not close to Peterson who is what I would call special. But I do think McFadden has a chance to be very good in a two-back system. I don't believe he can handle a huge rushing load at the next level.
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Anyone looking to compare McFadden to Peterson is INSANE.
Who's comparing DMC to AP? This thread was about why DMC's chicken legs aren't going to hold him back from being a top notch performer in the NFL.
Nobody made the comparison, he was just showing off his awesome hindsight.
HTH :shrug:
<dhohenshil> Is Darren McFadden better than Adrian Peterson?

Adam Caplan: DH: Not even half the player

Adam Caplan: fans have no idea

Adam Caplan: McFadden doesn't look very good on coaching tape

Adam Caplan: he falls down after one hit way too much

Adam Caplan: he's an open hole runner

Adam Caplan: with great speed
 
EBF, just curious, whats your prediction on where DMC will fall among runningbacks at the end of this season? I'm in the "bust" crowd because I dont think he'll ever be a feature back or classified as "Elite", but I think he'll end up somewhere around 20th maybe. I see him being in a RBBC pretty much his whole career

 
EBF, just curious, whats your prediction on where DMC will fall among runningbacks at the end of this season? I'm in the "bust" crowd because I dont think he'll ever be a feature back or classified as "Elite", but I think he'll end up somewhere around 20th maybe. I see him being in a RBBC pretty much his whole career
RB15-25 seems like a reasonable estimate. He's a suped-up change of pace back who will break some long runs, but he's not the next great FF back. A decent option in redraft and survivor. A poor gamble at his cost in a dynasty draft.
 
EBF, just curious, whats your prediction on where DMC will fall among runningbacks at the end of this season? I'm in the "bust" crowd because I dont think he'll ever be a feature back or classified as "Elite", but I think he'll end up somewhere around 20th maybe. I see him being in a RBBC pretty much his whole career
RB15-25 seems like a reasonable estimate. He's a suped-up change of pace back who will break some long runs, but he's not the next great FF back. A decent option in redraft and survivor. A poor gamble at his cost in a dynasty draft.
I would say your assessment parallel's my own then. I do think he will have his share of big plays, maybe more than your average COP back but he will never be an elite talent and he's not worth the price tag that many are placing on him in dynasty
 
EBF, just curious, whats your prediction on where DMC will fall among runningbacks at the end of this season? I'm in the "bust" crowd because I dont think he'll ever be a feature back or classified as "Elite", but I think he'll end up somewhere around 20th maybe. I see him being in a RBBC pretty much his whole career
RB15-25 seems like a reasonable estimate. He's a suped-up change of pace back who will break some long runs, but he's not the next great FF back. A decent option in redraft and survivor. A poor gamble at his cost in a dynasty draft.
I would say your assessment parallel's my own then. I do think he will have his share of big plays, maybe more than your average COP back but he will never be an elite talent and he's not worth the price tag that many are placing on him in dynasty
I think you guys are nailing DMC's floor. His ceiling is much, much higher.Don't forget that he is just 20 years old. The chicken legs and BMI still has time to grow.
 

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