Darren McFadden: Dead legs (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

Its not Jerious' fault he didnt get to play in a gimmick wildcat offense his entire career. Watching tape on DMC it almost seems like any RB with superior speed could have put up the numbers he did.

The chicken/egg debate...I was under the impression Nutt invented the "gimmick wildcat offense" because of McFadden. DMac showed his immense talent IMMEDIATELY as a freshman on the college level. Nutt then devised an offense around that talent.Who here with knowledge of the Arky schemes from '06 and '07 can clarify?

That's my view as well. It would be easier to view it as "product of the system" if both backs didn't show up at the same time and go on to prove themselves as 1st round talent.

 

[mdog1967]

EBF is loosing a lot of credibility because of this McFadden bashing IMO. I'm finding it harder and harder to take his stuff serious now.

Boohoo. Players can and will disappoint. There's nothing especially radical or controversial about my viewpoint on DMC.

EBF I'm in your camp. The only credibility I see being lost is with folks who will not give any credence to the Idea whatsoever that DMAC could really disappoint in a big way. If he studs out, I wont have any trouble coming back here and telling folks they were right. To take another person's POV with regards to a player as a personal affront to ones sensibilities is rather shallow. I've done it and regretted it. I thought J. J. Arrington was going to be the man, wow I would like to have that one back.

 

[Papa Georgio]

Its not Jerious' fault he didnt get to play in a gimmick wildcat offense his entire career. Watching tape on DMC it almost seems like any RB with superior speed could have put up the numbers he did.

The chicken/egg debate...I was under the impression Nutt invented the "gimmick wildcat offense" because of McFadden. DMac showed his immense talent IMMEDIATELY as a freshman on the college level. Nutt then devised an offense around that talent.Who here with knowledge of the Arky schemes from '06 and '07 can clarify?

That's my view as well. It would be easier to view it as "product of the system" if both backs didn't show up at the same time and go on to prove themselves as 1st round talent.

Actually the "wildcat offense" was developed under Gus Malzahn. I'm not sure that Nutt would've been able to be that creative.

 

[No. 16]

DMC will not be a bust because he landed in Oakland and that is the reason he is the #1 rookie pick for me.

The zone blocking scheme in Oakland works. These are all stats that have been reported before....#6 rushing offense, 3 different RBs had 100 yard games.... the RB that runs similiar to DMC, Justin Fargas was a 1000 yard rusher in roughly 8 starts.

Fargas and DMC are runners that have above average speed, straight line runners, who run hard, but with very little wiggle. Fargas did well and I'm sure DMC will do much better and break long TD runs. With the run blocking the Raiders have he'll have holes to run to daylight.

If DMC landed in NY... he'd fall to #3 behind Stewart and Mendenhall and just above Smith and Forte. However, since he's a Raider I think there is a very little chance he will be a bust and I think he will be a Fantasy RB2 for the season AT WORST and a potential RB1.

 

[mdog1967]

DMC will not be a bust because he landed in Oakland and that is the reason he is the #1 rookie pick for me.The zone blocking scheme in Oakland works. These are all stats that have been reported before....#6 rushing offense, 3 different RBs had 100 yard games.... the RB that runs similiar to DMC, Justin Fargas was a 1000 yard rusher in roughly 8 starts.Fargas and DMC are runners that have above average speed, straight line runners, who run hard, but with very little wiggle. Fargas did well and I'm sure DMC will do much better and break long TD runs. With the run blocking the Raiders have he'll have holes to run to daylight.If DMC landed in NY... he'd fall to #3 behind Stewart and Mendenhall and just above Smith and Forte. However, since he's a Raider I think there is a very little chance he will be a bust and I think he will be a Fantasy RB2 for the season AT WORST and a potential RB1.

I respectfully disagree. Mcfadden is Straight line Fast, but lateral agility is not there. There is a mis-conception that one cut belies little ability to be agile. The opposite is true, Vision lets you see the hole while agility allows you to plant and redirect towards the hole before it closes. DMAC is not a classic zone blocking type runner, I understand that People confuse Arkansas's winged offensive scheme as an NFL zone blocking scheme but they are not any more similar than calling a truck and a Honda civic a vehicle. DMAC ran almost exclusively toward the edges of the line, sometimes making an elongated cut inside between the line where an additional blocker would be used to double team at the point of attack or at the end, hence the term "Wing" was used because of its history as looking like a giant wing with the running back or full back taking direct snaps.. The worst NFL Defense is far faster and agile to any defense in the SEC. A running Back must be able to run through a small crease anywhere along the line of scrimmage. There is not always a specific preplanned spot in the zone blocking that a runner is to goto. The running back is supposed to be patient and look for where the hole is "going" to open, cut and bowel right through. I do not believe that DMAC poses either the quick vision or fast twitch ability to plant and go. I believe that Fargas is the far superior Running Back, though not nearly the Track Star that is DMAC. Don't take my word for it, the season will be here soon enough. If I'm wrong I'll be back and say so.

 

[Junta]

DMC will not be a bust because he landed in Oakland and that is the reason he is the #1 rookie pick for me.

The zone blocking scheme in Oakland works. These are all stats that have been reported before....#6 rushing offense, 3 different RBs had 100 yard games.... the RB that runs similiar to DMC, Justin Fargas was a 1000 yard rusher in roughly 8 starts.

Fargas and DMC are runners that have above average speed, straight line runners, who run hard, but with very little wiggle. Fargas did well and I'm sure DMC will do much better and break long TD runs. With the run blocking the Raiders have he'll have holes to run to daylight.

If DMC landed in NY... he'd fall to #3 behind Stewart and Mendenhall and just above Smith and Forte. However, since he's a Raider I think there is a very little chance he will be a bust and I think he will be a Fantasy RB2 for the season AT WORST and a potential RB1.

I respectfully disagree. Mcfadden is Straight line Fast, but lateral agility is not there. There is a mis-conception that one cut belies little ability to be agile. The opposite is true, Vision lets you see the hole while agility allows you to plant and redirect towards the hole before it closes. DMAC is not a classic zone blocking type runner, I understand that People confuse Arkansas's winged offensive scheme as an NFL zone blocking scheme but they are not any more similar than calling a truck and a Honda civic a vehicle. DMAC ran almost exclusively toward the edges of the line, sometimes making an elongated cut inside between the line and the end or the tight end, hence the term "Wing". The worst NFL Defense is far faster and agile to any defense in the SEC. A running Back must be able to run through a small crease anywhere along the line of scrimmage. There is not always a specific preplanned spot in the zone blocking that a runner is to goto. The running back is supposed to be patient and look for where the hole is "going" to open, cut and bowel right through. I do not believe that DMAC poses either the quick vision or fast twitch ability to plant and go. I believe that Fargas is the far superior Running Back, though not nearly the Track Star that is DMAC. Don't take my word for it, the season will be here soon enough. If I'm wrong I'll be back and say so.

This is truly the epitome of Mcfadden hate. The Raiders are sure lucky they have stabled fargas for the last five years so he will be fresh to save the day when McFadden can't learn how to read a hole or make a cut. It's amazing he even got a scholarship to Arkanasas.

 

[Cookiemonster]

DMC will not be a bust because he landed in Oakland and that is the reason he is the #1 rookie pick for me.

The zone blocking scheme in Oakland works. These are all stats that have been reported before....#6 rushing offense, 3 different RBs had 100 yard games.... the RB that runs similiar to DMC, Justin Fargas was a 1000 yard rusher in roughly 8 starts.

Fargas and DMC are runners that have above average speed, straight line runners, who run hard, but with very little wiggle. Fargas did well and I'm sure DMC will do much better and break long TD runs. With the run blocking the Raiders have he'll have holes to run to daylight.

If DMC landed in NY... he'd fall to #3 behind Stewart and Mendenhall and just above Smith and Forte. However, since he's a Raider I think there is a very little chance he will be a bust and I think he will be a Fantasy RB2 for the season AT WORST and a potential RB1.

I respectfully disagree. Mcfadden is Straight line Fast, but lateral agility is not there. There is a mis-conception that one cut belies little ability to be agile. The opposite is true, Vision lets you see the hole while agility allows you to plant and redirect towards the hole before it closes. DMAC is not a classic zone blocking type runner, I understand that People confuse Arkansas's winged offensive scheme as an NFL zone blocking scheme but they are not any more similar than calling a truck and a Honda civic a vehicle. DMAC ran almost exclusively toward the edges of the line, sometimes making an elongated cut inside between the line and the end or the tight end, hence the term "Wing". The worst NFL Defense is far faster and agile to any defense in the SEC. A running Back must be able to run through a small crease anywhere along the line of scrimmage. There is not always a specific preplanned spot in the zone blocking that a runner is to goto. The running back is supposed to be patient and look for where the hole is "going" to open, cut and bowel right through. I do not believe that DMAC poses either the quick vision or fast twitch ability to plant and go. I believe that Fargas is the far superior Running Back, though not nearly the Track Star that is DMAC. Don't take my word for it, the season will be here soon enough. If I'm wrong I'll be back and say so.

This is truly the epitome of Mcfadden hate. The Raiders are sure lucky they have stabled fargas for the last five years so he will be fresh to save the day when McFadden can't learn how to read a hole or make a cut. It's amazing he even got a scholarship to Arkanasas.

Couldn't agree more. Fargas excelled in that scheme, but he is not the superior talent. They are similar talents in their style, speed, lack of agility or running power and propensity for collisions. Fargas may outweigh McFadden, but McFadden is stronger in the upper body (stiff-arm), faster, younger and with less of an injury history. Whatever Fargas did last year, McFadden should be able to outproduce, especially w/ Cable in his 2nd year coaching the O-line. McFadden was #3 for me pre-draft, and is the 1b for me in dynasty and the clear #1 in redraft after the deck has been delt. I think Chris Johnson is the only back in this class that has a chance to match McFadden's '08 potential, and that's only in a PPR league - which is a strong suit of McFadden's anyways.

 

[jurb26]

It's typically best to rank a player somewhere in between his upside and downside. The problem with the McFadden apologists is that they're not agreeing with my side of things. When someone drafts McFadden in the top 10 of an initial dynasty draft, that owner isn't factoring my downside into the equation. There's a very real chance that he'll be a big star and that's something a lot of McFadden's biggest doubters stubbornly refuse to acknowledge.

Fixed.

It's just time for you to stop. We can all see that you disagree with EBF, but have offered no further analysis or factual information to back up your argument. All you have done is insult a poster who has a lot more credibility than you. At this point, I don't know why he is even bothering to respond to you.

I love it. EBF's opinions on McFadden are now fact and anyone who disagrees with them are nothing. I have offered plenty of factual information on this topic and so have many others. You just choose to ignore it or disagree with it. No matter. Heres a little advice on discussions about guys who have never played in the NFL before... It's all opinion. He is bothering because he knows and understands that and it is fun to talk about. I could be wrong about McFadden just as easily has he could. You are taking it personal. I think EBF knows me well enough to understand that there are no hard feelings in conversations like this. Only passionate opinions. The moment you start taking anyones opinion of a prospect as fact is the moment you get yourself into a lot of trouble.

 

[kremenull]

DMC will not be a bust because he landed in Oakland and that is the reason he is the #1 rookie pick for me.

The zone blocking scheme in Oakland works. These are all stats that have been reported before....#6 rushing offense, 3 different RBs had 100 yard games.... the RB that runs similiar to DMC, Justin Fargas was a 1000 yard rusher in roughly 8 starts.

Fargas and DMC are runners that have above average speed, straight line runners, who run hard, but with very little wiggle. Fargas did well and I'm sure DMC will do much better and break long TD runs. With the run blocking the Raiders have he'll have holes to run to daylight.

If DMC landed in NY... he'd fall to #3 behind Stewart and Mendenhall and just above Smith and Forte. However, since he's a Raider I think there is a very little chance he will be a bust and I think he will be a Fantasy RB2 for the season AT WORST and a potential RB1.

I respectfully disagree. Mcfadden is Straight line Fast, but lateral agility is not there. There is a mis-conception that one cut belies little ability to be agile. The opposite is true, Vision lets you see the hole while agility allows you to plant and redirect towards the hole before it closes. DMAC is not a classic zone blocking type runner, I understand that People confuse Arkansas's winged offensive scheme as an NFL zone blocking scheme but they are not any more similar than calling a truck and a Honda civic a vehicle. DMAC ran almost exclusively toward the edges of the line, sometimes making an elongated cut inside between the line where an additional blocker would be used to double team at the point of attack or at the end, hence the term "Wing" was used because of its history as looking like a giant wing with the running back or full back taking direct snaps.. The worst NFL Defense is far faster and agile to any defense in the SEC. A running Back must be able to run through a small crease anywhere along the line of scrimmage. There is not always a specific preplanned spot in the zone blocking that a runner is to goto. The running back is supposed to be patient and look for where the hole is "going" to open, cut and bowel right through. I do not believe that DMAC poses either the quick vision or fast twitch ability to plant and go. I believe that Fargas is the far superior Running Back, though not nearly the Track Star that is DMAC. Don't take my word for it, the season will be here soon enough. If I'm wrong I'll be back and say so.

Well, I'll assume that you haven't watched much film on this guy over the past couple of seasons....as you will have seen much more than these runs.....So to give you a shortcut, if you have access via On Demand or other means, watch the 2008 NFL draft coverage on EPSN and you will see much different clips of D-Mac as opposed to the ones shown a.n. by Mayock and the gang on NFL Network, which are almost exclusive outside runs.....ESPN showed several very impressive inside runs where D-Mac displayed not only great vision, but super-quick moves on defenders in-the-hole and coming out of the hole....all at top acceleration........these types of runs, and more importantly, the CUTS, which I have seen from him throughout his career, are exactly the kind that translate big-time to the NFL.....Really, I'm through trying to push these points across about McFadden to all of you skeptics in here......the next time you hear from me on this issue (D-Mac's success or not?) will be after the Monday nighter on opening weekend vs. The "Donkeys"........that's when I'll come back in here and pull up these threads from all the haters and give them all "the finger".......

 

[mdog1967]

DMC will not be a bust because he landed in Oakland and that is the reason he is the #1 rookie pick for me.

The zone blocking scheme in Oakland works. These are all stats that have been reported before....#6 rushing offense, 3 different RBs had 100 yard games.... the RB that runs similiar to DMC, Justin Fargas was a 1000 yard rusher in roughly 8 starts.

Fargas and DMC are runners that have above average speed, straight line runners, who run hard, but with very little wiggle. Fargas did well and I'm sure DMC will do much better and break long TD runs. With the run blocking the Raiders have he'll have holes to run to daylight.

If DMC landed in NY... he'd fall to #3 behind Stewart and Mendenhall and just above Smith and Forte. However, since he's a Raider I think there is a very little chance he will be a bust and I think he will be a Fantasy RB2 for the season AT WORST and a potential RB1.

I respectfully disagree. Mcfadden is Straight line Fast, but lateral agility is not there. There is a mis-conception that one cut belies little ability to be agile. The opposite is true, Vision lets you see the hole while agility allows you to plant and redirect towards the hole before it closes. DMAC is not a classic zone blocking type runner, I understand that People confuse Arkansas's winged offensive scheme as an NFL zone blocking scheme but they are not any more similar than calling a truck and a Honda civic a vehicle. DMAC ran almost exclusively toward the edges of the line, sometimes making an elongated cut inside between the line where an additional blocker would be used to double team at the point of attack or at the end, hence the term "Wing" was used because of its history as looking like a giant wing with the running back or full back taking direct snaps.. The worst NFL Defense is far faster and agile to any defense in the SEC. A running Back must be able to run through a small crease anywhere along the line of scrimmage. There is not always a specific preplanned spot in the zone blocking that a runner is to goto. The running back is supposed to be patient and look for where the hole is "going" to open, cut and bowel right through. I do not believe that DMAC poses either the quick vision or fast twitch ability to plant and go. I believe that Fargas is the far superior Running Back, though not nearly the Track Star that is DMAC. Don't take my word for it, the season will be here soon enough. If I'm wrong I'll be back and say so.

Well, I'll assume that you haven't watched much film on this guy over the past couple of seasons....as you will have seen much more than these runs.....So to give you a shortcut, if you have access via On Demand or other means, watch the 2008 NFL draft coverage on EPSN and you will see much different clips of D-Mac as opposed to the ones shown a.n. by Mayock and the gang on NFL Network, which are almost exclusive outside runs.....ESPN showed several very impressive inside runs where D-Mac displayed not only great vision, but super-quick moves on defenders in-the-hole and coming out of the hole....all at top acceleration........these types of runs, and more importantly, the CUTS, which I have seen from him throughout his career, are exactly the kind that translate big-time to the NFL.....Really, I'm through trying to push these points across about McFadden to all of you skeptics in here......the next time you hear from me on this issue (D-Mac's success or not?) will be after the Monday nighter on opening weekend vs. The "Donkeys"........that's when I'll come back in here and pull up these threads from all the haters and give them all "the finger".......

I didn't realize that disagreeing with you would cause you to gush tears, I truly apologize for your hurt feelings. No need to whip out the finger I promise to pretend to be a DMAC fan from here on out.

 

[kremenull]

DMC will not be a bust because he landed in Oakland and that is the reason he is the #1 rookie pick for me.

The zone blocking scheme in Oakland works. These are all stats that have been reported before....#6 rushing offense, 3 different RBs had 100 yard games.... the RB that runs similiar to DMC, Justin Fargas was a 1000 yard rusher in roughly 8 starts.

Fargas and DMC are runners that have above average speed, straight line runners, who run hard, but with very little wiggle. Fargas did well and I'm sure DMC will do much better and break long TD runs. With the run blocking the Raiders have he'll have holes to run to daylight.

If DMC landed in NY... he'd fall to #3 behind Stewart and Mendenhall and just above Smith and Forte. However, since he's a Raider I think there is a very little chance he will be a bust and I think he will be a Fantasy RB2 for the season AT WORST and a potential RB1.

I respectfully disagree. Mcfadden is Straight line Fast, but lateral agility is not there. There is a mis-conception that one cut belies little ability to be agile. The opposite is true, Vision lets you see the hole while agility allows you to plant and redirect towards the hole before it closes. DMAC is not a classic zone blocking type runner, I understand that People confuse Arkansas's winged offensive scheme as an NFL zone blocking scheme but they are not any more similar than calling a truck and a Honda civic a vehicle. DMAC ran almost exclusively toward the edges of the line, sometimes making an elongated cut inside between the line where an additional blocker would be used to double team at the point of attack or at the end, hence the term "Wing" was used because of its history as looking like a giant wing with the running back or full back taking direct snaps.. The worst NFL Defense is far faster and agile to any defense in the SEC. A running Back must be able to run through a small crease anywhere along the line of scrimmage. There is not always a specific preplanned spot in the zone blocking that a runner is to goto. The running back is supposed to be patient and look for where the hole is "going" to open, cut and bowel right through. I do not believe that DMAC poses either the quick vision or fast twitch ability to plant and go. I believe that Fargas is the far superior Running Back, though not nearly the Track Star that is DMAC. Don't take my word for it, the season will be here soon enough. If I'm wrong I'll be back and say so.

Well, I'll assume that you haven't watched much film on this guy over the past couple of seasons....as you will have seen much more than these runs.....So to give you a shortcut, if you have access via On Demand or other means, watch the 2008 NFL draft coverage on EPSN and you will see much different clips of D-Mac as opposed to the ones shown a.n. by Mayock and the gang on NFL Network, which are almost exclusive outside runs.....ESPN showed several very impressive inside runs where D-Mac displayed not only great vision, but super-quick moves on defenders in-the-hole and coming out of the hole....all at top acceleration........these types of runs, and more importantly, the CUTS, which I have seen from him throughout his career, are exactly the kind that translate big-time to the NFL.....Really, I'm through trying to push these points across about McFadden to all of you skeptics in here......the next time you hear from me on this issue (D-Mac's success or not?) will be after the Monday nighter on opening weekend vs. The "Donkeys"........that's when I'll come back in here and pull up these threads from all the haters and give them all "the finger".......

I didn't realize that disagreeing with you would cause you to gush tears, I truly apologize for your hurt feelings. No need to whip out the finger I promise to pretend to be a DMAC fan from here on out.

It's not the disagreeing with me my friend that is the issue.....it's the purported knowledge of people in here believing that they can somehow scientifically predict who will be a good RB or not......body type, leg strength, ht, weight, buttocks, etc., etc.....Throw all that junk out the window and ask yourself....Have you seen greatness on the football field from this player or not?....Truly great football players succeed, and this guy is truly great. You can either spot it or you can't, and the minor flaws that have been put forth can be easily addressed. Like, for example the numerous posts regarding his lower-body strength. Strength is not predicated entirely on mass, so getting stronger, and bigger to some degree, for a committed professional athlete is moot, it's a given. See Kobe, MJ, Dwight Howard, LT, R.Moss, MJD (who I saw in person go from 160 lbs as a H.S. phenom to a rocked-up 210 lb. NFL player), Barry Sanders, Payton, Westbrook, T.O., whoever you want to put in here.......but this isn't NFL Biology 101 or Advance Football Theory.....it's football instinct, determination, and natural ability coming together resulting in P-L-A-Y-E-R. In doing research on people in here, it's funny how you see a lot of people, some of the same ones in fact, totally missing in their evaluations/analysis on Adrian Peterson last year as well......That's one of the reasons why I'll be bringing up the posts later.....u gotta be true to your track record and held accountable if you're expecting some credibility in this rankings/analysis "game"......

 

[EBF]

It's not the disagreeing with me my friend that is the issue.....it's the purported knowledge of people in here believing that they can somehow scientifically predict who will be a good RB or not......body type, leg strength, ht, weight, buttocks, etc., etc.....Throw all that junk out the window and ask yourself....Have you seen greatness on the football field from this player or not?

I wouldn't go so far as suggesting that measurables are everything, but it's incorrect to suggest they're irrelevant.

....Truly great football players succeed, and this guy is truly great. You can either spot it or you can't, and the minor flaws that have been put forth can be easily addressed. Like, for example the numerous posts regarding his lower-body strength. Strength is not predicated entirely on mass, so getting stronger, and bigger to some degree, for a committed professional athlete is moot, it's a given. See Kobe, MJ, Dwight Howard, LT, R.Moss, MJD (who I saw in person go from 160 lbs as a H.S. phenom to a rocked-up 210 lb. NFL player), Barry Sanders, Payton, Westbrook, T.O., whoever you want to put in here.......but this isn't NFL Biology 101 or Advance Football Theory.....it's football instinct, determination, and natural ability coming together resulting in P-L-A-Y-E-R.

By and large, body type is a matter of genetics. That doesn't mean a committed athlete can't add a little bit of muscle, but it's not accurate to suggest that adding bulk is simply a matter of will. If that were the case then everyone in the NFL would be stacked. Funny that you mention MJD. I ran at a track meet with him when I was in high school and I distinctly remember a lot of my teammates marveling at the size of his tree trunk thighs when he was getting in the blocks to run his 100m. The guy has always been built like a tank. He was listed at 190 on his scout.com high school page and he hasn't gained significant weight since his NFL combine, so I don't see how he can be used as an example of a skinny player getting huge. He was never skinny in the first place and he had already gained all of his weight by the time he hit the league.

 

[mdog1967]

DMC will not be a bust because he landed in Oakland and that is the reason he is the #1 rookie pick for me.

The zone blocking scheme in Oakland works. These are all stats that have been reported before....#6 rushing offense, 3 different RBs had 100 yard games.... the RB that runs similiar to DMC, Justin Fargas was a 1000 yard rusher in roughly 8 starts.

Fargas and DMC are runners that have above average speed, straight line runners, who run hard, but with very little wiggle. Fargas did well and I'm sure DMC will do much better and break long TD runs. With the run blocking the Raiders have he'll have holes to run to daylight.

If DMC landed in NY... he'd fall to #3 behind Stewart and Mendenhall and just above Smith and Forte. However, since he's a Raider I think there is a very little chance he will be a bust and I think he will be a Fantasy RB2 for the season AT WORST and a potential RB1.

I respectfully disagree. Mcfadden is Straight line Fast, but lateral agility is not there. There is a mis-conception that one cut belies little ability to be agile. The opposite is true, Vision lets you see the hole while agility allows you to plant and redirect towards the hole before it closes. DMAC is not a classic zone blocking type runner, I understand that People confuse Arkansas's winged offensive scheme as an NFL zone blocking scheme but they are not any more similar than calling a truck and a Honda civic a vehicle. DMAC ran almost exclusively toward the edges of the line, sometimes making an elongated cut inside between the line where an additional blocker would be used to double team at the point of attack or at the end, hence the term "Wing" was used because of its history as looking like a giant wing with the running back or full back taking direct snaps.. The worst NFL Defense is far faster and agile to any defense in the SEC. A running Back must be able to run through a small crease anywhere along the line of scrimmage. There is not always a specific preplanned spot in the zone blocking that a runner is to goto. The running back is supposed to be patient and look for where the hole is "going" to open, cut and bowel right through. I do not believe that DMAC poses either the quick vision or fast twitch ability to plant and go. I believe that Fargas is the far superior Running Back, though not nearly the Track Star that is DMAC. Don't take my word for it, the season will be here soon enough. If I'm wrong I'll be back and say so.

Well, I'll assume that you haven't watched much film on this guy over the past couple of seasons....as you will have seen much more than these runs.....So to give you a shortcut, if you have access via On Demand or other means, watch the 2008 NFL draft coverage on EPSN and you will see much different clips of D-Mac as opposed to the ones shown a.n. by Mayock and the gang on NFL Network, which are almost exclusive outside runs.....ESPN showed several very impressive inside runs where D-Mac displayed not only great vision, but super-quick moves on defenders in-the-hole and coming out of the hole....all at top acceleration........these types of runs, and more importantly, the CUTS, which I have seen from him throughout his career, are exactly the kind that translate big-time to the NFL.....Really, I'm through trying to push these points across about McFadden to all of you skeptics in here......the next time you hear from me on this issue (D-Mac's success or not?) will be after the Monday nighter on opening weekend vs. The "Donkeys"........that's when I'll come back in here and pull up these threads from all the haters and give them all "the finger".......

I didn't realize that disagreeing with you would cause you to gush tears, I truly apologize for your hurt feelings. No need to whip out the finger I promise to pretend to be a DMAC fan from here on out.

It's not the disagreeing with me my friend that is the issue.....it's the purported knowledge of people in here believing that they can somehow scientifically predict who will be a good RB or not......body type, leg strength, ht, weight, buttocks, etc., etc.....Throw all that junk out the window and ask yourself....Have you seen greatness on the football field from this player or not?....Truly great football players succeed, and this guy is truly great. You can either spot it or you can't, and the minor flaws that have been put forth can be easily addressed. Like, for example the numerous posts regarding his lower-body strength. Strength is not predicated entirely on mass, so getting stronger, and bigger to some degree, for a committed professional athlete is moot, it's a given. See Kobe, MJ, Dwight Howard, LT, R.Moss, MJD (who I saw in person go from 160 lbs as a H.S. phenom to a rocked-up 210 lb. NFL player), Barry Sanders, Payton, Westbrook, T.O., whoever you want to put in here.......but this isn't NFL Biology 101 or Advance Football Theory.....it's football instinct, determination, and natural ability coming together resulting in P-L-A-Y-E-R. In doing research on people in here, it's funny how you see a lot of people, some of the same ones in fact, totally missing in their evaluations/analysis on Adrian Peterson last year as well......That's one of the reasons why I'll be bringing up the posts later.....u gotta be true to your track record and held accountable if you're expecting some credibility in this rankings/analysis "game"......

Alright, that sounds a lot more reasonable than wanting to give everyone the finger. I am not in agreement with everyone here, but I like to read what they post. Two people can watch every game on a particular player and have two completely different takes and evaluations on how good that player is. Lets just for argument sake agree that DMAC was damn near prolific as a collegiate player. I don't think anyone is going to deviate from that opinion. But the majority of folks posting in FBG, are overall knowledgeable football buff's. What many of us DMAC detractors and supporters alike have seen, is the hype of great College athletes, who's actual performance in the NFL never extrapolated from greatness they had in college. Sometimes its an injury, sometimes its character but many times players destined for greatness are forgotten before they ever got started.You may turn out to be dead on in your evaluation of DMAC. We disagree as to how to how good he will be in the NFL. You have no more or less credibility than the vast of majority of us here. If DMAC turns out to be the bust I think he will be - it dose not invalidate your ability any more than it validates mine to judge talent. It just means that one of us will have been correct about one player and the other will have swung and miss. Owners, Coaches and scouts get it wrong many times, why shouldn't we.

There are no prophets here, just Football geeks giving their opinions about players. We all get bent out of shape. We can all get banned, trust me I am a Football Guys detention ranger for going ape poop on another poster or two. I was wrong and found out that I could say what I want as long as I was reasonable and respected the fellow board members.