Bull Dozier
Footballguy
Those of you citing how Culpepper looked good in the preseason, and basing any kid of expectation on that: Culpepper's QB rating last year w/Miami in the preseason was 93.5.
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Daunte Culpepper will be the talk of the fantasy world Monday morning (1 Viewer)
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hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
Just picked up Culpepper off WW as my #3 QB just to see if he might still have a little left. Can use him for a bye week if he does semi well, if not he's dropped before week 5 his bye week. 
Limp Dogg Bizkits
Footballguy
I just picked him up and will be starting him 
My only other options are Leinart and Rex
My only other options are Leinart and Rex
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
I'm still going to stash him on my bench as my #3.I am basing my opinions on my witness of pre-season and last weeks second half playing time. -The knee/leg looks good. Cpep is very nimble and mobile without a limp. No favoring of the leg. He bootlegged hard to the right and threw a laser for a key 1st down late in the game. -The ball is coming out of his hand sooo fast. Too fast actually, reminds me of Vick. Everything is a spiral. He did show some touch and timing. He also threw another TD that was called out of bounds(play was on the 2 yard line...pass was slightly overthrown and Ron Curry couldn't get his feet in) FYI, Curry was targeted by CPep in the redzone. -My main question was can he throw the ball with touch. First game, first play BMW lined up leftside close to the TE. He runs 5 yards up and breaks left to the sideline. Cpep throws the ball with more arc than usual to my witness. And the ball lands square in BMWs hands over the shoulder and bobbles it OB. Too bad Mike Williams fat hands couldn't handle. Every football thrown to mike williams should have glaze on it. BMW might actually hold on to it. Enough with the eating jokes.-Timing with his wideouts has been off. Only by a slight margin. An extra week of work can improve that relationship. thats all for now. There are many reasons to doubt Cpep. But there is are also many reasons to believe in him. The Raiders are resurrecting a franchise that was bottom of the barrel last season. Left for dead by everybody. Including current players Mccown, Cpep, Mike Williams, Jerry Porter, Ron Curry all underdog stories on a COMPETITIVE TEAM.I'm still going to stash him on my bench as my #3.
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
If Culpepper does well, McCown is his backup for the season. Al Davis wanted Culpepper and the coach wants McCown as QB who you think will win?
The Goat
Footballguy
Honestly, I hope you're right about Culpepper, because he was in a bad situation, although I dislike how he handled it.I don't think you are.I am basing my opinions on my witness of pre-season and last weeks second half playing time. -The knee/leg looks good. Cpep is very nimble and mobile without a limp. No favoring of the leg. He bootlegged hard to the right and threw a laser for a key 1st down late in the game. -The ball is coming out of his hand sooo fast. Too fast actually, reminds me of Vick. Everything is a spiral. He did show some touch and timing. He also threw another TD that was called out of bounds(play was on the 2 yard line...pass was slightly overthrown and Ron Curry couldn't get his feet in) FYI, Curry was targeted by CPep in the redzone. -My main question was can he throw the ball with touch. First game, first play BMW lined up leftside close to the TE. He runs 5 yards up and breaks left to the sideline. Cpep throws the ball with more arc than usual to my witness. And the ball lands square in BMWs hands over the shoulder and bobbles it OB. Too bad Mike Williams fat hands couldn't handle. Every football thrown to mike williams should have glaze on it. BMW might actually hold on to it. Enough with the eating jokes.-Timing with his wideouts has been off. Only by a slight margin. An extra week of work can improve that relationship. thats all for now. There are many reasons to doubt Cpep. But there is are also many reasons to believe in him. The Raiders are resurrecting a franchise that was bottom of the barrel last season. Left for dead by everybody. Including current players Mccown, Cpep, Mike Williams, Jerry Porter, Ron Curry all underdog stories on a COMPETITIVE TEAM.I'm still going to stash him on my bench as my #3.
The benefit of knowing this offense 3 months more thoroughly outweighs starting a decidedly mediocre QB with a broken finger.... come on. This team was never going anywhere this year and Culpepper would have started if he showed anything in practice. McCown is barely worthy of being a placeholder- they are trying to keep the embarassment to a minimum until their rookie savior is ready. Culpepper wasnt showing he was up to that. We'll find out this week it appears.
Britney Spears
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1. ESPN is just terrible. They might be right, but they are guessing that he's starting. Absolutely terrible news source now.
2. Dolphins D is $$$, doesn't matter which scrub is starting.
2. Dolphins D is $$$, doesn't matter which scrub is starting.
Todem
Footballguy
Culpepper is going to punch my Dolphins right in the gut this weekend.
Our defense is so bad right now all those thinking they are a great play this weekend are not watching just how far they have fallen. No pass rush to speak of, can't stop the run....can't stop teams on 3rd down etc etc etc.
C.Pep 240 Yards Passing with 2 TD's.
Oakland 23
Miami 21
Our defense is so bad right now all those thinking they are a great play this weekend are not watching just how far they have fallen. No pass rush to speak of, can't stop the run....can't stop teams on 3rd down etc etc etc.
C.Pep 240 Yards Passing with 2 TD's.
Oakland 23
Miami 21
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Chaka
Footballguy
Of course. Yes. Absolutely. With one guy you get to use the whole playbook, with the other you have to reduce it significantly. Which do you think is more important to a coach?And your scouting of both McCown and Daunte is merely your opinion and Kiffin, perhaps, has a different one. No offense but I would trust any of the 32 NFL head coaches opinions on player scouting over yours...except Herm Edwards of course.
Fine. I'll take the guy that can throw the ball. You stick with the Jonathan Quinn school of what makes a good quarterback.
No offense but i'm not really concerned with how much you value my opinion either way. Moreover, if anything im respecting the Oakland coaching staff. They have played McCown over Culpepper at every possible opportunity and McCown has delivered the average performance we all expected out of him. I'll take that at face value. The size of the playbook has not been Oaklands problem the last few years. Its always execution when youre THAT bad.
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Chaka
Footballguy
If you are crediting the Oakland staff then why not extend that to include wanting to make sure the most prepared QB is playing in the games? I don't see why Daunte being empirically the better QB but the least prepared at the moment in this offense need be mutually exclusive.And...Jonathan Quinn??? I am happy to see that you choose measured and reasonable subjects for your comparisons. Remind me again when Quinn was targeted by any NFL head coach as a starting QB? McCown was brought in by three teams who thought, right or wrong, he could compete for the starting job, he is light years ahead of Quinn athletically and experientially but let's not let that get in the way of a hyperbolic argument.btw are you saying that you are better at scouting players than 31 of 32 NFL coaches? Yes or no?
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
INTS 2 (18th)TDs 4 (14th)SACKS 4 (25th)QB RAT. 87.3 (15th)
They seem like a middle-of-the-pack defense to me.Because it smacks of coach speak. Half the time your most prepared QB is your backup. They have nothing better to do than prepare. Preparation is great, but talent wills out. We arent talking about a hundred million dollar rookie that needs to be protected from the speed of the NFL- Culpepper has played for a long time. Lets put it this way- if Peyton Manning somehow appeared in Oakland when Culp did, would he be sitting on the bench?
I do believe **** Jauron and Terry Shea brought him over to the Bears under the exact premise that he 'understood the offense' so well. Not as a starter but they stuck with him long enough to ruin a promising season. Then again McCown and Culp were only brought in as placeholders and backups as well...This Raiders team's strength is defense and running game. McCown was pegged not to turn the ball over and embarass the team. Thats why Culps sat on the bench this long. The guy is an 8 year veteran, if it takes him 2 months, 4 preseason and 3 regular season games to 'figure out' the offense- that itself is an indictment. Rookies get thrown in faster than that sometimes.
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Chaka
Footballguy
You are making some good points but I think we are talking past each other. Are you saying that McCown is more talented than Daunte? You should also look at Kiffin's career at USC and how they handled competition for a starting spot, wide open in the off season but once the games count they go with their guy and give him every chance to succeed. McCown is Kiffin's guy and he will give McCown every chance to put a hammer lock on the job (i.e. he won't pull him based on one game), and the Raiders have been competitive in every game this year. I think Kiffin is being patient and seeing if the team gels under McCown, it has very little to do with overall talent between the two guys, which I think is closer than most believe, but the fact that he is going to give his guy (McCown) every chance to succeed before going with Plan B. A good test of this theory will happen this weekend if Daunte lights up Miami I still would not be shocked if McCown is still the starter when he is healthy.eta:
@ Quinn in Chicago. Shea brought Quinn to help teach the other QBs the system, NOT to be the every week starter.
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I'm saying I believe Culpepper is not performing well enough in the coaches estimation, be it practice or what have you, to win a job his pedigree suggests he should easily win. Thats not a knock on McCown, but McCown isnt going to a pro-bowl any time soon. He's a reasonably average QB. Culpepper is a former 1st round draft pick that has some of the best statistical seasons in NFL history. By all rights Oakland should be rolling out the red carpet for him to shepherd their wayward franchise. For that matter half the league should be clamoring to give him an incentive laden contract. But that hasnt happened either.
To my mind, Culpepper is done until proven differently. Nothing that has happened in Oakland points to the idea that he is resurgent. That was what i originally was saying- dont expect Culpepper to walk in Sunday and light up Miami. Not because he isnt familiar enough with the offense, but because he seems to (for whatever reason, mental or physical) have lost it. Even if he does put up a big performance, i'm still not betting he can do it over a season. See Warner, Kurt. I think Culp is a guy that relied on a monsterously talented WR and his legs. Now teams have figured out he only looks at half the field, he cant move like he used to, and he certainly doesnt have Randy Moss. I dont think he's on the cusp of a comeback (but like I said, i too hedged and stashed him on rosters when he was ridiculously cheap enough).
To my mind, Culpepper is done until proven differently. Nothing that has happened in Oakland points to the idea that he is resurgent. That was what i originally was saying- dont expect Culpepper to walk in Sunday and light up Miami. Not because he isnt familiar enough with the offense, but because he seems to (for whatever reason, mental or physical) have lost it. Even if he does put up a big performance, i'm still not betting he can do it over a season. See Warner, Kurt. I think Culp is a guy that relied on a monsterously talented WR and his legs. Now teams have figured out he only looks at half the field, he cant move like he used to, and he certainly doesnt have Randy Moss. I dont think he's on the cusp of a comeback (but like I said, i too hedged and stashed him on rosters when he was ridiculously cheap enough).
Resident A
Footballguy
I'm picking up Culpepper today. The only thing I have to lose is the piece of garbage I'm cutting to make room (Devery Henderson).
My top QB is Rivers & I'm not too excited about him. I don't intend to start C-Pep, but he has great upside & could be solid.
My top QB is Rivers & I'm not too excited about him. I don't intend to start C-Pep, but he has great upside & could be solid.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
The flaw in your analogy is that USC never had a former all-star QB who transferred to the school a few weeks before the season started.Chaka said:
Chaka
Footballguy
You and I are not far off then. I read a great article a few years back breaking down Daunte and it really emphasized that he was a one-read QB. I also agree that most have overrated him expecting future returns to be similar to past performances but seldom do they take into account the WRs that he was throwing to for most of his career (a nice six game run without Randy in '04 notwithstanding). On the plus side he has always been tremendously accurate in both the short and long passing game.(64% career completions, never below 60%) and has also been good at avoiding INTs, the awful start in '05 notwithstanding, and he has been worlds better than McCown in that dept if nothing else.mbuehner said:
Also one of the great things about a QB the size of Daunte is goal line opportunities. If (IF!) the knee is healthy he is a threat every time the Raiders get inside the 5 to plunge one in, probably more so than any QB in the league.
I understand why people think Daunte should be in there, even if I like the way Kiffin is handling the situation, which I do.
btw Just to be clear I haven't been arguing that Daunte should be starting, just that he didn't lose the starting job in training. By the time he arrived I don't think it was really his to win.
Cpep has 1 passing(porter) and 1 rushing td end of 1st.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
Wait till Monday. Eveybody will be all over it. Minny fans, Miami fans, CPep-haters, Cpep Supporters, Raider fans, raider-haters, Moss-fans...the pot is simmering.
Phlash
Footballguy
That pass to Porter was a work of art.
jcole76
Footballguy
I know I'll be talking about him tomorrow. I picked up Griese off the WW this week to be my starter and when I saw the announcement the DC would be starting I figured what the hell. Dropped Griese picked up Daunte and he has 29 pts for me so far. Imagine he threw the ball a little more today.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I've never seen a QB have a more
dominant performance with so few completions.
5
dominant performance with so few completions.
5
fsufan
Footballguy
they ran the ball 42 timesfargas had 22 car for 179
snogger
Footballguy
5/12 with 5 TD's.. Has to be some kind of record
Glad I picked him up off waivers and played him over Bulger
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Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
JaMarcus who?
-Crippler-
Footballguy
lucky week
oso diablo
Footballguy
barely more than 100 yds offense, and 5 TDs. With the big name, this situation screams for a sell. fish around, you may land a big one. I'm going for Brees.
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
I had no choice but to get him for week 4, starting QB on bye plus backup QB hurt. So what does Culpepper do passes for only 75yards with 5 TD's ,where is that post where they say he can't run? What luck for week4 I had..now I will drop Culpepper my bye week is over..plus let another take a chance on him !
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
I believe 3/4 quarters of the world knows that, but nice to inform the other 1/4.
HAAAAAAAA-TER.
5 TDs was lucky. Lamont injury lead to Cpeps last 2 rushing TDs.The 2passing TDs and 1st rushing TD is typical Cpep.
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hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
Everything is luck in this game pal.Thats why it's called Fantasy Football.5 TDs was lucky. Lamont injury lead to Cpeps last 2 rushing TDs.The 2passing TDs and 1st rushing TD is typical Cpep.
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
I agree, thats why I picked him up only for week4, dropping him now..like to share good QB's with rest of league putting him back on waiver wire. Week 4 was his season high.
