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David Dobbs, your past has come back to haunt you (1 Viewer)

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I found my athlon's-grogan's ff mag for 2006 and in it they have 12 ff "experts", including FBG's own david dobbs, give their rankings for each position and here's how they saw the rbs:

consensus top 10

1) LJ

2) LT

3) SA

4) tiki barber

5) portis

6) edge

7) caddy

8) lamont jordan

90 ronnie brown

10) rudi johnson

Dobbs' top 10

1) LJ

2) LT

3) SA

4) portis

5) tiki barber

6) edge

7) DD

8) ronnie brown

9) sjax

10) caddy

Wow, I always knew that rb was a volatile position and you have to constantly add to your rb corps in dynasty leagues but you're talking about only a few of these guys being a top 10 rb today just two years later

 
Wow, I always knew that rb was a volatile position and you have to constantly add to your rb corps in dynasty leagues but you're talking about only a few of these guys being a top 10 rb today just two years later
Seek lots of young legs on large rosters. Deal the guys at and very near 30 for the most you can get. That includes Tomlinson now.
 
At least Dodds has S Jax in there and is was lower on Caddy than most.... he is not that far off of the consensu either.

And he get points for not including Lamont Jordan.

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
Impossible to predict the injuries to Caddy and Brown and the sudden retirement of Barber.
I would argue that you are not going out far on limb to say that a couple of RBs will have severe legs injuries over the course of a couple of years. It is the which ones that get tricky.
 
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Andy Dufresne said:
Impossible to predict the injuries to Caddy and Brown and the sudden retirement of Barber.
I would argue that you are not going out far on limb to say that a couple of RBs will have severe legs injuries over the course of a couple of years. It is the which ones that get tricky.
Well sure. Running backs are going to get hurt. But you can't factor that into rankings beforehand.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Impossible to predict the injuries to Caddy and Brown and the sudden retirement of Barber.
I would argue that you are not going out far on limb to say that a couple of RBs will have severe legs injuries over the course of a couple of years. It is the which ones that get tricky.
Well sure. Running backs are going to get hurt. But you can't factor that into rankings beforehand.
You can by not overvaluing the position in general. You can by placing higher value on depth and less value on the top players. Stuff like that should be factored in in dynasty formats. Redraft is a different story.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Impossible to predict the injuries to Caddy and Brown and the sudden retirement of Barber.
I would argue that you are not going out far on limb to say that a couple of RBs will have severe legs injuries over the course of a couple of years. It is the which ones that get tricky.
Well sure. Running backs are going to get hurt. But you can't factor that into rankings beforehand.
You can by not overvaluing the position in general. You can by placing higher value on depth and less value on the top players. Stuff like that should be factored in in dynasty formats. Redraft is a different story.
Of course. But that's not what the OP is about. It's making fun of Dodds' rankings two years ago for the top 10 backs. It's not talking about overall dynasty philosophy.
 
Of course. But that's not what the OP is about. It's making fun of Dodds' rankings two years ago for the top 10 backs. It's not talking about overall dynasty philosophy.
I wasn't making fun of his or anyone else's rankings. All of us are right about some stuff and we're wrong about some stuff. I was just amazed at how much changed in so short a period of time
 
1. Old players hit the wall/retire (Rudi, Edge, SA, Tiki)

2. Young players are often not as good as touted (DD, Caddy)

3. Players get injured (DD, Caddy, Ronnie)

I believe in a long-term outlook in dynasty leagues, but RB is the one position where you shouldn't think more than a year or two ahead. A few years back I had three consensus top 10 dynasty RBs on my team. Their names? Deuce McAllister, Julius Jones, and Kevin Jones. :thumbup:

Look at the most recent FBG top 10 list and imagine all the ways these guys could bust:

Peterson - Durability?

Tomlinson - Past his prime?

Westbrook - Old?

Jackson - Durability?

Addai - Talent?

Gore - Knees?

Portis - Worn out?

Barber - Durability? Unproven?

LJ - Past his prime?

McGahee - Knee?

It's easy to imagine 4-5 of these guys busting over the course of the next few years.

 
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Of course. But that's not what the OP is about. It's making fun of Dodds' rankings two years ago for the top 10 backs. It's not talking about overall dynasty philosophy.
I wasn't making fun of his or anyone else's rankings. All of us are right about some stuff and we're wrong about some stuff. I was just amazed at how much changed in so short a period of time
I don't know how else you can take "David Dobbs, your past has come back to haunt you" other than being teasing. :thumbup:
 
Of course. But that's not what the OP is about. It's making fun of Dodds' rankings two years ago for the top 10 backs. It's not talking about overall dynasty philosophy.
I wasn't making fun of his or anyone else's rankings. All of us are right about some stuff and we're wrong about some stuff. I was just amazed at how much changed in so short a period of time
I don't know how else you can take "David Dobbs, your past has come back to haunt you" other than being teasing. :thumbup:
In fantasy football, it does little good to take one set of rankings or projections in a vacuum, and then look at them retrospectively. You need to compare them to other rankings. Was what Dodds projected worse/less accurate than other people doing the same? Yeah, a lot has changed in the last two years at that position, but I'm certain that Dodds wasn't the only one to have struggled to anticipate all of those changes.
 
Of course. But that's not what the OP is about. It's making fun of Dodds' rankings two years ago for the top 10 backs. It's not talking about overall dynasty philosophy.
I wasn't making fun of his or anyone else's rankings. All of us are right about some stuff and we're wrong about some stuff. I was just amazed at how much changed in so short a period of time
I don't know how else you can take "David Dobbs, your past has come back to haunt you" other than being teasing. :(
In fantasy football, it does little good to take one set of rankings or projections in a vacuum, and then look at them retrospectively. You need to compare them to other rankings. Was what Dodds projected worse/less accurate than other people doing the same? Yeah, a lot has changed in the last two years at that position, but I'm certain that Dodds wasn't the only one to have struggled to anticipate all of those changes.
Better question, How good is Dodds at FF anyways? He started a FF site does that mean anything about His knowledge of FF? How many Leagues has He won? Not just in Leagues against other FGBplayers. So putting down Dodds for His rankings two years ago, Helps US HOW?Are you trying to point out that Dodds is not knowledgeable?Again don't get this topic?
 
Of course. But that's not what the OP is about. It's making fun of Dodds' rankings two years ago for the top 10 backs. It's not talking about overall dynasty philosophy.
I wasn't making fun of his or anyone else's rankings. All of us are right about some stuff and we're wrong about some stuff. I was just amazed at how much changed in so short a period of time
I don't know how else you can take "David Dobbs, your past has come back to haunt you" other than being teasing. :(
Dammit, I've been found out
 
Question, were these rankings for redraft or dynasty purposes? From what I understand, the list can differ between the two. I actually like Dodds list better than the consensus.

 
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Question, were these rankings for redraft or dynasty purposes? From what I understand, the list can differ between the two. I actually like Dodds list better than the consensus.
They didn't specify so I assume it was for redraft
 
FTRWRTR said:
I found my athlon's-grogan's ff mag for 2006 and in it they have 12 ff "experts", including FBG's own david dobbs, give their rankings for each position and here's how they saw the rbs:

consensus top 10

1) LJ

2) LT

3) SA

4) tiki barber

5) portis

6) edge

7) caddy

8) lamont jordan

90 ronnie brown

10) rudi johnson

Dobbs' top 10

1) LJ

2) LT

3) SA

4) portis

5) tiki barber

6) edge

7) DD

8) ronnie brown

9) sjax

10) caddy

Wow, I always knew that rb was a volatile position and you have to constantly add to your rb corps in dynasty leagues but you're talking about only a few of these guys being a top 10 rb today just two years later
Here are a few from the board:
Just my first run through while I'm bored. Obviously many changes will need to be made including rookies (Reggie Bush depends on who drafts him) and FAs (Edge). But I thought I'd throw it out here for a little feedback.

1 RB LaDainian Tomlinson

2 RB Larry Johnson

3 RB Shaun Alexander

4 RB Edgerrin James

5 RB Tiki Barber

6 RB Clinton Portis

7 RB Steven Jackson

8 RB LaMont Jordan

9 RB Rudi Johnson

10 RB Willis McGahee

11 RB Deuce McAllister

12 RB DeShaun Foster

13 RB Cadillac Williams

14 RB Corey Dillon

15 RB Willie Parker

16 RB Jamal Lewis

17 RB Mike Anderson

18 RB Julius Jones

19 RB Thomas Jones

20 RB Ahman Green

21 RB Chris Brown

22 RB Warrick Dunn

23 RB Reuben Droughns

24 RB Fred Taylor

I left out Dom Davis because I can't shake the feeling that he will be gone in Houston. Fred Taylor is also another situation to monitor.
Remind us not to trust jurb26 ;)
Up means I would move the player up, down means down... Nothing more, nothing less

1 RB LaDainian Tomlinson :goodposting:

2 RB Larry Johnson

3 RB Shaun Alexander :thumbup:

4 RB Edgerrin James

5 RB Tiki Barber :hey:

6 RB Clinton Portis :thumbup:

7 RB Steven Jackson :no:

8 RB LaMont Jordan :thumbup:

9 RB Rudi Johnson :thumbup:

10 RB Willis McGahee

11 RB Deuce McAllister :thumbdown:

12 RB DeShaun Foster :thumbdown:

13 RB Cadillac Williams

14 RB Corey Dillon :thumbdown:

15 RB Willie Parker :thumbdown:

16 RB Jamal Lewis

17 RB Mike Anderson :thumbup:

18 RB Julius Jones

19 RB Thomas Jones :thumbup:

20 RB Ahman Green

21 RB Chris Brown

22 RB Warrick Dunn

23 RB Reuben Droughns :thumbup:

24 RB Fred Taylor
Here's my list I would used if I were drafting tomorrow:

1. Larry Johnson

2. Shaun Alexander

3. LaDainian Tomlinson

4. Edgerrin James

5. Tiki Barber

6. Clinton Portis

7. Rudi Johnson

8. LaMont Jordan

9. Steven Jackson

10. Deuce McAllister

11. Reggie Bush ®

12. Warrick Dunn

13. Reuben Droughns

14. Brian Westbrook

15. Willis McGahee

16. Cadillac Williams

17. Domanick Davis

18. DeShaun Foster

19. DeAngello Williams ®

20. Tatum Bell

21. Chris Brown

22. Ronnie Brown

23. Ahman Green

24. Fred Taylor

19-28 was a crapshoot for me and could really go in any order. This is the cheatsheet I would use at RB if I were drafting tomorrow.
Here is how I would stack them up:

1. Shaun Alexander

2. Larry Johnson

3. LaDainian Tomlinson

4. Edgerrin James

5. Tiki Barber

6. Rudi Johnson

7. Clinton Portis

8. LaMont Jordan

9. Cadillac Williams

10. Reuben Droughns

11. Mike Anderson

12. Steven Jackson

13. Reggie Bush ®

14. Brian Westbrook

15. Cory Dillon

16. Warrick Dunn

17. Deuce McAllister

18. Domanick Davis

19. Ronnie Brown

20. Julius Jones

21. DeAngello Williams ®

22. Willis McGahee

23. Willie Parker

24. Thomas Jones

Just missed:

Samkon Gado (sleeper pick)

DeShaun Foster

Cedric Benson

Lendale White ®
And there are more if you do a search....
 
Not that this really needs any further explanation than..."it's fantasy football", but you should know that Grogan's asked for rankings VERY EARLY in the preseason. To give you an idea, we have to have 100% of the stuff done for our own magazine by the first week in May and Grogan's stuff had to be submitted several weeks before that as I recall.

If you want to admonish the value of outdated, static print materials; you'll get no argument from me. But if we're really going to be fair about this, at least take David's final preseason RB rankings from the site as comparison.

 
1. Old players hit the wall/retire (Rudi, Edge, SA, Tiki)2. Young players are often not as good as touted (DD, Caddy)3. Players get injured (DD, Caddy, Ronnie)I believe in a long-term outlook in dynasty leagues, but RB is the one position where you shouldn't think more than a year or two ahead. A few years back I had three consensus top 10 dynasty RBs on my team. Their names? Deuce McAllister, Julius Jones, and Kevin Jones. :shrug:Look at the most recent FBG top 10 list and imagine all the ways these guys could bust:Peterson - Durability?Tomlinson - Past his prime?Westbrook - Old? Jackson - Durability?Addai - Talent? Gore - Knees? Portis - Worn out? Barber - Durability? Unproven?LJ - Past his prime? McGahee - Knee? It's easy to imagine 4-5 of these guys busting over the course of the next few years.
:thumbup: I also had three would-be top ten guys in SA, Jordan, and Caddy. Still have two of them actually :thumbup:
 
Not that this really needs any further explanation than..."it's fantasy football", but you should know that Grogan's asked for rankings VERY EARLY in the preseason. To give you an idea, we have to have 100% of the stuff done for our own magazine by the first week in May and Grogan's stuff had to be submitted several weeks before that as I recall. If you want to admonish the value of outdated, static print materials; you'll get no argument from me. But if we're really going to be fair about this, at least take David's final preseason RB rankings from the site as comparison.
That's interesting to know
 
Of course. But that's not what the OP is about. It's making fun of Dodds' rankings two years ago for the top 10 backs. It's not talking about overall dynasty philosophy.
I wasn't making fun of his or anyone else's rankings. All of us are right about some stuff and we're wrong about some stuff. I was just amazed at how much changed in so short a period of time
I don't know how else you can take "David Dobbs, your past has come back to haunt you" other than being teasing. :shrug:
In fantasy football, it does little good to take one set of rankings or projections in a vacuum, and then look at them retrospectively. You need to compare them to other rankings. Was what Dodds projected worse/less accurate than other people doing the same? Yeah, a lot has changed in the last two years at that position, but I'm certain that Dodds wasn't the only one to have struggled to anticipate all of those changes.
Better question, How good is Dodds at FF anyways? He started a FF site does that mean anything about His knowledge of FF? How many Leagues has He won? Not just in Leagues against other FGB

players. So putting down Dodds for His rankings two years ago, Helps US HOW?

Are you trying to point out that Dodds is not knowledgeable?

Again don't get this topic?
:lmao: :lmao: :potkettle:
 
FTRWRTR said:
Wow, I always knew that rb was a volatile position and you have to constantly add to your rb corps in dynasty leagues but you're talking about only a few of these guys being a top 10 rb today just two years later
People need not to get so wrapped around the axle about the OP. This was not an attack on the beloved DD but an example of how things quickly change in FF.I get you FTRWRTR.....carry on.
 
Of course. But that's not what the OP is about. It's making fun of Dodds' rankings two years ago for the top 10 backs. It's not talking about overall dynasty philosophy.
I wasn't making fun of his or anyone else's rankings. All of us are right about some stuff and we're wrong about some stuff. I was just amazed at how much changed in so short a period of time
I don't know how else you can take "David Dobbs, your past has come back to haunt you" other than being teasing. :D
In fantasy football, it does little good to take one set of rankings or projections in a vacuum, and then look at them retrospectively. You need to compare them to other rankings. Was what Dodds projected worse/less accurate than other people doing the same? Yeah, a lot has changed in the last two years at that position, but I'm certain that Dodds wasn't the only one to have struggled to anticipate all of those changes.
Better question, How good is Dodds at FF anyways? He started a FF site does that mean anything about His knowledge of FF? How many Leagues has He won? Not just in Leagues against other FGB

players. So putting down Dodds for His rankings two years ago, Helps US HOW?

Are you trying to point out that Dodds is not knowledgeable?

Again don't get this topic?
HE'S MR. FOOTBALL!!!!I used his site more than Cheatsheets back them.

 
Tanner9919 said:
Of course. But that's not what the OP is about. It's making fun of Dodds' rankings two years ago for the top 10 backs. It's not talking about overall dynasty philosophy.
I wasn't making fun of his or anyone else's rankings. All of us are right about some stuff and we're wrong about some stuff. I was just amazed at how much changed in so short a period of time
Give Dodd's some slack on this, he is, after all, busy patenting and copyrighting his all-new Draft Dominator or Number Crumcher or Lineup Optimizer or Web Analyzer or Pocket Draft Prospectis v.2.3 or his Mega draft-day Road Grader guide to O-linemen..or whatever it is that Dodds does.. :thumbup: dude is like Billy Mays without 'Orange-Glo'..and for $9.95, we'll not only send you the Draft Dominator, but you can get the Lineup Analyzer at no extra charge. a $50 value, all for $9.95. Order yours NOW! :kicksrock:
So I take it, You don't think He's that knowledgeable?Who's rankings on here, do you like?What are your rankings for the top 6 Rookie RB's?
 
Maroney=Speed said:
Tanner9919 said:
Of course. But that's not what the OP is about. It's making fun of Dodds' rankings two years ago for the top 10 backs. It's not talking about overall dynasty philosophy.
I wasn't making fun of his or anyone else's rankings. All of us are right about some stuff and we're wrong about some stuff. I was just amazed at how much changed in so short a period of time
Give Dodd's some slack on this, he is, after all, busy patenting and copyrighting his all-new Draft Dominator or Number Crumcher or Lineup Optimizer or Web Analyzer or Pocket Draft Prospectis v.2.3 or his Mega draft-day Road Grader guide to O-linemen..or whatever it is that Dodds does.. :bag:

dude is like Billy Mays without 'Orange-Glo'..

and for $9.95, we'll not only send you the Draft Dominator, but you can get the Lineup Analyzer at no extra charge. a $50 value, all for $9.95. Order yours NOW!

:thumbup:
So I take it, You don't think He's that knowledgeable?Who's rankings on here, do you like?

What are your rankings for the top 6 Rookie RB's?
:lmao: Who is this guy? A 13-yr old windup doll?
 
This thread was stupid from the get-go... and somehow it just got stupider as it has gone on...

things change in the NFL... it's what happens... just really not worth making a thread about and sharing your "disbelief" how much thigns change...

The shelf-life of an average NFL back is about 3-4 years. Beyond that they'll fall out of the top 10 category for one reason or another. Please tell me that whatever article you read was not the first time you've seen rankings from 2 years ago...

You want something even more shocking (well, to you at least), take a look at the preseason rankings of top 10 RBs and who REALLY was top 10... about 40% will be correct, if that. But, you don't see me posting about it... perhaps because it's mindless dribble.

Or perhaps his posting this thread is just a ploy... to motivate Tatum Bell... hmmmm interesting....

 
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Maroney=Speed said:
Tanner9919 said:
Of course. But that's not what the OP is about. It's making fun of Dodds' rankings two years ago for the top 10 backs. It's not talking about overall dynasty philosophy.
I wasn't making fun of his or anyone else's rankings. All of us are right about some stuff and we're wrong about some stuff. I was just amazed at how much changed in so short a period of time
Give Dodd's some slack on this, he is, after all, busy patenting and copyrighting his all-new Draft Dominator or Number Crumcher or Lineup Optimizer or Web Analyzer or Pocket Draft Prospectis v.2.3 or his Mega draft-day Road Grader guide to O-linemen..or whatever it is that Dodds does.. :bag:

dude is like Billy Mays without 'Orange-Glo'..

and for $9.95, we'll not only send you the Draft Dominator, but you can get the Lineup Analyzer at no extra charge. a $50 value, all for $9.95. Order yours NOW!

:goodposting:
So I take it, You don't think He's that knowledgeable?Who's rankings on here, do you like?

What are your rankings for the top 6 Rookie RB's?
:lmao: Who is this guy? A 13-yr old windup doll?
Sorry I didn't ask you, for yours. :wall: What are your rankings for the top 6 Rookie RB's?

 
I found my athlon's-grogan's ff mag for 2006 and in it they have 12 ff "experts", including FBG's own david dobbs, give their rankings for each position and here's how they saw the rbs:

consensus top 10

1) LJ

2) LT

3) SA

4) tiki barber

5) portis

6) edge

7) caddy

8) lamont jordan

90 ronnie brown

10) rudi johnson

Dobbs' top 10

1) LJ

2) LT

3) SA

4) portis

5) tiki barber

6) edge

7) DD

8) ronnie brown

9) sjax

10) caddy

Wow, I always knew that rb was a volatile position and you have to constantly add to your rb corps in dynasty leagues but you're talking about only a few of these guys being a top 10 rb today just two years later
:loco: :popcorn:
 
Maroney=Speed said:
Tanner9919 said:
Of course. But that's not what the OP is about. It's making fun of Dodds' rankings two years ago for the top 10 backs. It's not talking about overall dynasty philosophy.
I wasn't making fun of his or anyone else's rankings. All of us are right about some stuff and we're wrong about some stuff. I was just amazed at how much changed in so short a period of time
Give Dodd's some slack on this, he is, after all, busy patenting and copyrighting his all-new Draft Dominator or Number Crumcher or Lineup Optimizer or Web Analyzer or Pocket Draft Prospectis v.2.3 or his Mega draft-day Road Grader guide to O-linemen..or whatever it is that Dodds does.. :shrug:

dude is like Billy Mays without 'Orange-Glo'..

and for $9.95, we'll not only send you the Draft Dominator, but you can get the Lineup Analyzer at no extra charge. a $50 value, all for $9.95. Order yours NOW!

:loco:
So I take it, You don't think He's that knowledgeable?Who's rankings on here, do you like?

What are your rankings for the top 6 Rookie RB's?
:lmao: Who is this guy? A 13-yr old windup doll?
:popcorn:
 
The Scientist said:
Maroney=Speed said:
Tanner9919 said:
Of course. But that's not what the OP is about. It's making fun of Dodds' rankings two years ago for the top 10 backs. It's not talking about overall dynasty philosophy.
I wasn't making fun of his or anyone else's rankings. All of us are right about some stuff and we're wrong about some stuff. I was just amazed at how much changed in so short a period of time
Give Dodd's some slack on this, he is, after all, busy patenting and copyrighting his all-new Draft Dominator or Number Crumcher or Lineup Optimizer or Web Analyzer or Pocket Draft Prospectis v.2.3 or his Mega draft-day Road Grader guide to O-linemen..or whatever it is that Dodds does.. :no:

dude is like Billy Mays without 'Orange-Glo'..

and for $9.95, we'll not only send you the Draft Dominator, but you can get the Lineup Analyzer at no extra charge. a $50 value, all for $9.95. Order yours NOW!

:no:
So I take it, You don't think He's that knowledgeable?Who's rankings on here, do you like?

What are your rankings for the top 6 Rookie RB's?
:thumbup: Who is this guy? A 13-yr old windup doll?
:thumbup:
Come on.You guys quit, picking on Maroney=Speed

All he, wants is your Top 6 Rookie RBs?

 

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